Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #868
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 94 00:13:25 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #868, Volume #2                 Mon, 3 Oct 94 00:13:25 EDT

Contents:
  2 Harddrives? (Daniel Andor)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Barnacle Wes)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Ralph Sims)
  apple2 emulator (Pat St. Jean)
  Re: How can I rank video cards for Linux? (David Simmons)
  Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Jan Willems)
  Re: LINUX pronounciation. (David Simmons)
  Probs with ppp (Thorsten Dombach)
  Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Paul Bash)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Thomas E Zerucha)
  Re: VHDL for Linux...? (Guy Maor)
  talk/talkd and ^Z ("Douglas J. Wiegley")
  Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help. (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
  Re: where to get the texbook (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
  Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?) (Andi Kleen)

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Andor)
Subject: 2 Harddrives?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 20:00:59 +0000

Hello!

Could someone please help a future Linux-er:

My machine (at the moment running dos) has two harddrives (170 and 130). I want
to convert my second drive into a Linux partition. Is it still possible to run
dos of drive 1 or do I have to swap drive so that Linux is always the booting
partition?

Could you please e-mail me 'cos it takes ages to download the WHOLE newsgroup.

-- 
Daniel Andor  ----- [email-masked] -----

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From: [email-masked] (Barnacle Wes)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: 2 Oct 1994 20:31:40 GMT

Po-Han Lin ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Ok, I didn't know QNX costs major money.  So I am considering
: either 386bsd or linux.  One person said I should get linux because
: 386bsd is monolithic (controlled I guess), while linux is non-monolithic.
: Now the question is, which os better?  Better as in...
:
: I hope someone can seriously asnwer these questions.  Note that Im not
: trying to start a flame.  I appropriately crossposted only to the
: relevant newsgroups that discuss these two operating systems.  I
: don't want to waste time downloading 50 or so megabytes and find out
: that the other OS is better.  Has anyone actually used both systems?

Yep.  I run FreeBSD now, because it's more familiar to me.  Also, I have
heard from people I trust, who run Linux, that the BSD networking code is
more reliable than Linux.

I run FreeBSD because it's familiar, having worked with SunOS for many
years.  Both Linux and Net/FreeBSD are impressive.  The only reliability
problem I've had since the FreeBSD 1.1 release is from my VGA card over-
heating, which is unrelated to the software (since it does it under OS/2
and MS-Windows also).

As far as applications and hardware support, look around, see if they run
what you want/have/need, and if so, you're probably makeing a safe choice.
A word of caution, though: if you're seriou, get a CD-ROM drive supported
by your system of choice and buy the OS on CD-ROM.  It'll save you a ton
of work.  I know, I've done it the hard way several times: NetBSD 0.9,
Linux, and FreeBSD 1.0 all ftp'd to work and loaded onto floppies.  When
FreeBSD 1.1 was released, I broke down and bought a $40 network card, 
which made it somewhat less painful.  I'm going to buy a cd-rom when 2.0
comes out later this month.  ;^)

If you have enough disk space, or can buy another disk, get both and decide
for yourself.  I have two disks, 340M and 424M, on my machine, running
DOS+Win, OS/2, and FreeBSD all.

        Wes Peters

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From: [email-masked] (Ralph Sims)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
Date: 2 Oct 1994 19:45:01 GMT

[email-masked] (System Administrator) writes:

>Trevor Lampre ([email-masked]) wrote:

>: As the admin of a public access system it is of great concern to me, I've
>: had sendmail die for about 2 days before I noticed as well as the other
>: problems described. I spend more time now checking/killing/rebooting
>: my network stuff than I do giving more value to my users. I might just
>: switch to *BSD, at least the network code works.

>Thank WHATEVER that others are seeing this problem!  And thanks to 

...

>for confirming what we've been seeing!  I suggest we keep this thread 
>open and fill it with additional information until the problem gets the 
>attention it needs.  I'm not a programmer, much less a kernel hacker, so 
>I can only voice frustration with the situation.

And what about those of us that DON'T see it?  Basic setup is a
dedicated PPP link on a 14.4 dialup, NET-3 stuff, ppd 2.1.2a,
etc., with an InfoMagic/TransAmeritech CD-ROM combined install.

I move many megabytes of files around via FTP daily, and another
many megs around with mosaic and lynx.  Sendmail+IDA's been
rock-solid.

>I'm new to all this, and don't know all the avenues to pursue.  I'd 
>appreciate any help in getting this problem hilighted and information 
>flowing to the *someone* who understands how the net interfaces really 
>work and who can really and *finally* *fix* it!  How do we proceed?

The AMPR code is still beta-stuff, I think.  Do you really need it?
Also, are your users using ncftp or 'stock' ftp?  Aside from the X25
stuff in your kernel, and the fact your dialin users are seeing/causing
this, there probably isn't much difference in the way we do things.
I have no dialup users.  So, if that's any help, there might be 
something in the way your getty handles buffering (if there is
such as thing); I use agetty.

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From: [email-masked] (Pat St. Jean)
Subject: apple2 emulator
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 07:40:35 GMT

I was wondering if anyone has the rom images for the apple 2 emulator
over on sunsite.  I want to run it, but I do not have access to any apple
2 machines.  If you do and you are willing to share them, I am going
to be writing some more stuff into the emulator and will share the code
with you in trade :)
thanks!

--Pat
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From: [email-masked] (David Simmons)
Subject: Re: How can I rank video cards for Linux?
Date: 1 Oct 1994 03:11:41 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>,
Jiann-Ming Su <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Larry Doolittle <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>>Most accelerators *are* supported by XFree now.  Almost all will be
>>supported by the next release (3.1) coming out RSN.  The notable exceptions
>>are some Diamond cards (proprietary clock chips), ATI Mach64, and Matrox.
>>I am not sure how the P9x00 driver is coming, I guess that one is still
>>chancy.  8514, S3, ATI, Cirrus, ET-4000/W32 all have at least some
>>acceleration supported by XFree, if not now, in the next release.
>>
>
>I thought it was just the Diamonds and Matrox that were not supported.
>I was under the impression that the ATI Mach64 is.  In fact, our
>local linux user's group machine is using the Mach64.
>

That's because we're using a special Mach64 server that's not a part
of the standard XFree86 distribution.

David

-- 
David Simmons, System Administrator                 [email-masked]
Mississippi State University Electrical and Computer Engineering
Visit my home page!  http://www.ee.msstate.edu/~simmons

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From: [email-masked] (Jan Willems)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:05:57 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Robert Willett) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]>
>           [email-masked] "Jeff Kesselman" writes:
>> > [Stuff Deleted]
>> > it can't seem to install packages from the
>> >control panel in X-Windows like it says it can.  I don't know why this is; I
>> >just never had any luck making it work.
>
>I had problems with that, I ended up deleting the links back to the CD-ROM
>from the directory and it's worked eversince.
>-- 
>Robert Willett
>------------------------------------------------------------
>"Life is too short to spend on the Internet"

Yggdrasil users,

I'm stuck with a few questions:

-       Is there a solution to the above described problem?
-       Why is it that the fall 1993 CD was allright as far as I knew,
        the summer 1994 gave me a lot of problems right away and this one won't 
        install simple packages in Xwindows?
-       Is this really plug & play? Is it my fault? Am I doing things
        wrong? Did they test it?
-       Last but not least, are there any other CDROM's that say
        they are plug & play. I might get me one.

        Regards,
        Jan Willems.
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-- Jan --                                            _
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Utrecht University, the Netherlands,        |        |   
tel: +31-30-534114, e-mail: [email-masked]  |       \_/

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From: [email-masked] (David Simmons)
Subject: Re: LINUX pronounciation.
Date: 1 Oct 1994 03:14:11 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>,
[email-masked] (Matt Whiting) <[email-masked]> wrote:
>-- 
>
>Stupid question:  how is LINUX pronounced?  I've heard pronounced so that it
>sounds like the "lin" in linen and so that it sounds like the "lin" in line.
>

Check out http://www.gtlug.org/lpd/lpd.html for the official
Linux Pronounciation Database.

David

-- 
David Simmons, System Administrator                 [email-masked]
Mississippi State University Electrical and Computer Engineering
Visit my home page!  http://www.ee.msstate.edu/~simmons

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From: [email-masked] (Thorsten Dombach)
Subject: Probs with ppp
Date: 29 Sep 94 22:58:39 GMT

Hi all!!

I've got some probs with ppp.
I have a friend, his ppp works fine.
So he made a kernel for me, gave me his pppd and his /etc directory.
And I tried it. But nothing.
I get following errors in /usr/adm/syslog :

Sep 29 23:34:13 ug211aa pppd[143]: ioctl(PPPIOCSINPSIG): Invalid argument
Sep 29 23:34:13 ug211aa kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: invalid ioctl: 5495, addr
bffff9e
4
Sep 29 23:43:27 ug211aa pppd[160]: ioctl(PPPIOCSINPSIG): Invalid argument
Sep 30 00:34:39 ug211aa syslogd: exiting on signal 15
Sep 30 00:38:56 ug211aa pppd[89]: ioctl(PPPIOCSINPSIG): Invalid argument
Sep 30 00:38:56 ug211aa kernel: ppp_tty_ioctl: invalid ioctl: 5495, addr
bffff9f
c

IS there anybody out there who knows this problem?

cu all
Thorsten

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        [email-masked]      | God is real,
                                                | until declared integer!!!

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From: [email-masked] (Paul Bash)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 00:22:10 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Jan Willems <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>Yggdrasil users,
>
>I'm stuck with a few questions:
>
>-      Is there a solution to the above described problem?
>-      Why is it that the fall 1993 CD was allright as far as I knew,
>       the summer 1994 gave me a lot of problems right away and this one won't 
>       install simple packages in Xwindows?
>-      Is this really plug & play? Is it my fault? Am I doing things
>       wrong? Did they test it?
>-      Last but not least, are there any other CDROM's that say
>       they are plug & play. I might get me one.
>
>       Regards,
>       Jan Willems.

Having worked with both of them, the obvious solution to the Yggdrasil 
problems is to junk the CD and buy the Slackware PRO CD. While the Yggdrasil
CD-ROM shows a lot of promise, it is far behind the Slackware distribution
in terms of "Plug and Play".

I've installed Slackware distributions many times over the last year and never
failed to have a running system. After 5 or 6 shots at installing a CD-ROM less
Yggdrasil system (and yes, I read the fall 94 errata sheet), I've yet to 
be able to pull the CD-ROM out without working laboriously through the file
system deleting symbolic links to it. That sucks.

Yggdrasil is cute if you only want to burn 10MB of hard disk space and don't
mind a _slow_ system running from CD-ROM. Past that, its a mess. One example: 
after following the errata instructions carefully, and installing as much
of the system as I could on my hard drive, I then attempted to create a 
user account via the control panel. The result? "/usr/bin/usermaint: not
found" or somesuch. Cute.

CD-ROM distributions, given their read-only nature, _must_ have careful
preparation since you only have one shot at doing it right. Yggdrasil's Fall 
94 CD-ROM shows all signs of being rushed out and poorly tested. I can't 
believe that anyone ever even attempted a CDROM-less installation (the only
sane option) before they cut this thing.  

Spend your money on Slackware and you'll be glad you did.

-- 
Paul Bash                                                   Techware Design 
[email-masked]                                              Boulder, CO  U.S.A.
"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- John Gilmore

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From: [email-masked] (Thomas E Zerucha)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
Date: 1 Oct 1994 23:50:17 GMT

I have found the root cause of the  problem.  It is a call to sock_wmalloc
that keeps eating memory.  It eventually goes over the 32767 (in skbuff.h in
the linux includes).  It tends to return EAGAIN, assuming memory would be
made available eventually, which results in silent failure.  since ping,
and other utilities use different sockets, they start allocating at 0.
I can't even overallow, since it only goes to 65535 (although it is a long,
it fails at this point).

Perhaps it is not the "root" cause, since it may be the free that is failing,
or merely a fragmentation problem.  But it only seems to affect TCP based
protocols with PPP.

I hope someone knowledgeable can fix this.
---
[email-masked] - main email address

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From: [email-masked] (Guy Maor)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.lsi.cad,comp.lang.vhdl
Subject: Re: VHDL for Linux...?
Date: 29 Sep 1994 23:19:34 GMT

John Leslie ([email-masked]) wrote:
: > mainstream designs. The most common choices among people I know seems
: > to be:
: > 
: > Magic
: > IRSIM
: > Gemini
: > WireC
: > 

: Could somebody tell me firstly what these packages do and secondly where I can
: get them from (I think that could be a popular request). Versions for Windows
: or Linux or HP/UX would be preferred by me (especially linux). Thanks in
: advance...
: -- 
: John Leslie

I've used Magic and IRSIM, but neither is a VHDL tool.  Magic is a
simple but very easy to use layout editor.  It does on-the-fly DRC (it
uses the one variable, lambda method) and some autorouting.  I've
actually used it to produce a simple stack cpu.  It's pretty fast and
comes with a nice tutorial, but best of all is its low price - free.

IRSIM is a timing tool, a pretty simple one compared with commercial
ones, (like pearl - the only one I'm actually familiar with).  But it
works well with Magic - it does timing on the actual layout.  It can
do things like longest phase to phase delay, etc.

Anyway, you can get Linux binaries of these two from 
sunsite.unc.edu in 
/pub/Linux/apps/circuits (INDEX)
==============================================================================
irsim.tar.z              event-driven logic-level simulator for MOS circuits
magic63p3-run.tar.gz     VLSI graphical layout tool [bin]
magic63p3-src.tar.gz     VLSI graphical layout tool [src]

Magic requires X obviously.  These tools are great for learning how to
do VLSI CMOS design/layout.  I suspect they're mostly used by
university students.

Guy Maor
[email-masked]

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From: "Douglas J. Wiegley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: talk/talkd and ^Z
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 19:31:55 -0400

has anyone else noticed that talk and ytalk really don't like to be
suspended under linux?
this was true from 0.99.1? up to what i'm using now 1.1.48, and through
several versions
of net code...  just curious if anybody knows why this is...

doug

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
Subject: Re: Is Linux faster than Os/2? Please help.
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 20:26:23 GMT

Robert Gasch ([email-masked]) wrote:
: All this discussion of Tex is making me curious: Is there an online 
: tuorial or guide detailing it's features available?

: Thanks for any pointers
: --> robert
: PS: I know what it is but have no clue how to use it.

Check out comp.text.tex.  There are also several FTP sites, part of the CTAN
(Comprehensive TeX Archive Network) which contain TeX, LaTeX, Web, etc and
tutorials/manuals/fonts, etc.  The comp.text.tex FAQ will point the way.

There is also TUG (TeX Users Group), which maintains CTAN.

: Robert Ashcroft ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : In article <[email-masked]>,
: : Jeffrey  Nipp <[email-masked]> wrote:
: : >The real question is: Why would you want to write a THESIS on emax and 
: : >latex?  There are many comercial products which are much better suited to 
: : >that particular task which will run native under OS/2 or in a dos or 
: : >windows box under OS/2 and give much better performance than the unix 
: : >programs you mention.

: : Uh, I've known numerous people who have written theses, and almost all
: : of them used Latex or Tex or something, and most of those used Emacs
: : while doing so.  The only exception being a marketing weenie I know who
: : wrote his thesis in MS Word on a ****ing Macintosh...

: : And I'm using Latex and Emacs (with Auctex!  Very nice package that
: : more or less integrates the two) for my thesis.

: : I've yet to see nicer looking math output than Tex and Latex.  There is
: : a ton of stuff available for it too, just check out the Tex newsgroup
: : faqs sometime.

: : RNA

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==========All Opinions Expressed are MINE, not IBM's==============
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IBM (uK Development)         TEL/TIE   (407) 443-6400   
Boca Raton, FL               Internet:  [email-masked]

If you think I speak for IBM, then I've got some swamp land^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
real estate to sell you.

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
Subject: Re: where to get the texbook
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 20:40:29 GMT

Hans Petter Fasteng ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I hope to learn how to make docs in tex, I also hoped to make info pages and
: I think I need the texbook to do this.  Where can I get this book or books?

From a bookstore.  Knuth's TeXBook is not available on-line.  Check out
comp.text.tex for info on TeX/LaTeX.  There are many, many books available on
Tex/LaTeX and related programs.

--
==========All Opinions Expressed are MINE, not IBM's==============
Michael Rogero Brown       (*IX System Administrator)  
IBM (uK Development)         TEL/TIE   (407) 443-6400   
Boca Raton, FL               Internet:  [email-masked]

If you think I speak for IBM, then I've got some swamp land^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
real estate to sell you.

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    W--- M-- V>-- -p+ Y+ t 5++ j(++) r !G v+ b+++ !D b--- e+++ u+ h+ f !r n x?

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From: [email-masked] (Andi Kleen)
Subject: Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 13:22:37 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Axel Boldt <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Jiann-Ming> Why would Linux go away?
>
>Hurd, maybe? Are they planning an 486 version at all?

Hurd is being developed on a Compaq 386.

-Andi
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|PGP-Key available.

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