Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #869
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 94 05:13:16 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #869, Volume #2                 Mon, 3 Oct 94 05:13:16 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Autoanswer modem (Klaus Weidner)
  Re: Cirrus Logic 5428 ! (Richard Stone)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Michael Haardt)
  Re: Cirrus Logic 5428 ! (Richard Stone)
  Re: [Q] WD 1Gig HD + EIDE w/ Linux (David Fox)
  Re: Linux mentioned in PC Week (David Fox)
  Can X give up the mouse when it is idle? (Oz Dror)
  3D graphics software. (Chiu David Kwai-On)
  Re: Novell unveils plan for Corsair (Ron Holt)
  Bash Arrays[?] (David J Topper)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (M. K. Shenk)
  Re: assword:  (Karsten Johansson)
  Re: New User HOWTO proposal (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
  Re: How to access Linux filesystem while running dos? (Frank Crowell)
  Re: Linux mentioned in PC Week (Maxim Spivak)
  PLS recommend a G++ debugger ( with or without X ) (Daniel Damon Roscigno)
  Anyone interested in a port of ALGOR to Linux? (Steve DuChene)
  Re: Need MOTIF Library Clone (Alexandre Naaman)
  Where to find kernal upgrades (Rob Kean)

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From: [email-masked] (Klaus Weidner)
Subject: Re: Autoanswer modem
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:48:42 GMT

[email-masked] (Alan Osborne) writes:
>Robert Willett ([email-masked]) wrote:

>: I don't believe that it's my modem as it works fine receiving Faxes 
>: under Windows. I'm not an expert on modems (or anything else for that matter)

>What getty are you using?  And I know it may be obvious but are you
>using /dev/cua? for outgoing and /dev/ttyS? for incoming as you
>should be?

If you use mgetty+sendfax, you don't activate modem autoanswer, it
will listen for the RING returned by the modem instead. Note that
with mgetty, you have to use /dev/ttyS? for *both* incoming and
outgoing calls.

Klaus
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From: [email-masked] (Richard Stone)
Subject: Re: Cirrus Logic 5428 !
Date: 2 Oct 1994 21:43:01 GMT

Liu Chen ([email-masked]) wrote:
: ->  My computer is using Cirrus Logic 5428 Display Card!
: ->  Anyone out there knows how to set the "Xconfig" file in Linux in order to execute Xwindows successfully?
: Me too!
I've seen enough requests for this that I'll post my (working) Xconfig file
for the CLGD-5428 to anonymous ftp on my home system in /pub/linux.

You may have to edit the mouse parameters or whatnot, but the 256 color
server and ModeDB entries should work with *any* SVGA capable monitor. 
Three modes are available:  1024x768i, 800x600, 640x480  My monitor is a
fixed-frequency SVGA type which won't let me do much else, but you're
welcome to add your own tiddles to it once you've got it working.

My setup is 1.0.8 kernel, XF86 2.1.x, GD5428 w/2Mb DRAM.

--
Richard S. Stone                                             Network Engineer
The Engineering Design Group
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"      "If it *is* broke, pay us to fix it!"
2-FOR-1 DEAL:  "We'll break it for you and then fix it; for one low price!"
[email-masked]                                               [email-masked]
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From: Michael Haardt <(michael)[email-masked]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 94 18:24:26 MET

[email-masked] (Trevor Lampre) writes:
> Many have. I have posted twice myself about it and seen at least 5 other 
> posts not including this thread. I have never seen a response and my emails
> to other posters has never been answered. It's pissing me off that nobody
> seems to know the answer or have a fix. I've been patching my kernel up
> to 1.1.51 (I think it got worse at .51) as well as rebuilding my daemons.

And I thought I was the only one with such problems.  I get a
connection, but packet by packet it gets slower, until about one packet
per minute is being sent.  This is for tcp connections like telnet or
ftp, ping always works just fine.  It is interesting to see that while
the connections hangs, there is indeed no traffic on the serial line.  I
guess I have to try if PPP works better, because so far nobody could
give me any hint about what to try or even cared to comment on it.

Michael
--
Twiggs and root are a wonderful tree (tm) Twiggs & root 1992 :-)

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From: [email-masked] (Richard Stone)
Subject: Re: Cirrus Logic 5428 !
Date: 2 Oct 1994 21:45:24 GMT

: I've seen enough requests for this that I'll post my (working) Xconfig file
: for the CLGD-5428 to anonymous ftp on my home system in /pub/linux.
Oooops!  anonymous ftp to edgp.com
--
Richard S. Stone                                             Network Engineer
The Engineering Design Group
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"      "If it *is* broke, pay us to fix it!"
2-FOR-1 DEAL:  "We'll break it for you and then fix it; for one low price!"
[email-masked]                                               [email-masked]
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/* disclaimer.h */
printf("The opinions expressed above are my own, and do not necessarily
represent those of the Engineering Design Group or its affiliates.\n")
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From: [email-masked] (David Fox)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: [Q] WD 1Gig HD + EIDE w/ Linux
Date: 02 Oct 1994 14:50:36 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Glenn Jayaputera) writes:

] Hi.. I am planning to install Slackware 2.0 Distribution on a machine w/ 
] EIDE and 1Gig WD hard-drive.  Is there anything I have to watch-out in 
] regards to 1024 cylinder limitation issue??

I haven't used EIDE drives, but I have several SCSI drives with more
than 1024 cylinders.  If you are using the *current* slackware, *not*
2.0, be sure to set Linux fdisk (version 1.5b) to non-DOS
compatibility mode - when it is invoked it is in DOS compatibility
mode.  I found that all the partitions I created beyond cylinder 1024
were created to actually start at 1024, so they overlapped and my
system crashed when I set up my swap partition (because the swap
signature corrupted my ext2fs partition.)  If anyone thinks I've
analyzed this situation incorrectly I'd be interested in hearing about
it.
--
David Fox                                               xoF divaD
NYU Media Research Lab                     baL hcraeseR aideM UYN

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From: [email-masked] (David Fox)
Subject: Re: Linux mentioned in PC Week
Date: 02 Oct 1994 14:55:20 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Eric Silver) writes:

] Eight years ago, Billy Gates screamed, WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! I can make
] Windows a better OS/2 than OS/2. And like good the little drones we are
] because we do everything the mainstream media tells us to, we waited.
] Some of us are still waiting...
] Two years ago, Billy Gates screamed even louder, WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! I
] can make Windows a better UNIX than UNIX. And like the good little 
] drones we are because we do everything the mainstream media tells us
] to, some are waiting ...

I don't see any reason to blame the "mainstream media", that's a tired
slogan borrowed from politics (via the mainstream media, ironically.)
I think Gates himself has semi-magical powers to convince people of
things.  I actually admire this ability, though I rarely agree with
what he is convincing people of.

] Some things never change and some just don't get it!
] Eric Silver
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David Fox                                               xoF divaD
NYU Media Research Lab                     baL hcraeseR aideM UYN

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: [email-masked] (Oz Dror)
Subject: Can X give up the mouse when it is idle?
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 23:10:14 GMT

OS: Linux 1.1.49

Is there a way to make X (Xfree 2.1.1) give up the mouse device, when X
is idle. (in the same way that X give up the mouse when switching VT)

In case you wander why I need to do that. I have a second modem connected to
/dev/cua2 (have the same IRQ as the mouse, /dev/cua0). I would like to use
the second modem (to page me and monitor my phone calls), when I am not at
home (X is idle). Now I can use the second modem only when I switch VT. (I
had to disable selection).

-Oz
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NAME   Oz Dror, Los Angeles, California
SMAIL  [email-masked]                     <<Use Linux since 8/15/94>>
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From: [email-masked] (Chiu David Kwai-On)
Subject: 3D graphics software.
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:44:55 GMT

Is there any 3D graphics software works under linux? I'll very much
appreciate if someone can tell me the ftp site.

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From: [email-masked] (Ron Holt)
Subject: Re: Novell unveils plan for Corsair
Date: 30 Sep 1994 20:52:07 -0600

In article <[email-masked]>, Marc Fraioli <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>I think I read that it is no longer what it was originally intended to be,
>however.  ie, it no longer runs on Linux.

This is true.

>I think it now is either the
>same applications as before, but on UnixWare, or it is simply an
>Internet-access package for Windows.

Close.  Corsair is now basically the same set of client side interfaces
and browsers for Windows and Unix.  Plus a few other goodies.

>They took the teeth out of it
>after Ray Noorda left.

Basically true.  But who's the "they"?  Certainly not the Corsair team...

>The new CEO, Bob Frankenberg, is yet another
>dull business man with no real interest in his industry.

Not true.  Running a billion dollar company is more complex that you paint it.

Ron

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From: [email-masked] (David J Topper)
Subject: Bash Arrays[?]
Date: 2 Oct 1994 21:41:53 GMT

Greetings from the exasperation society,

I'm wondering about the compatibility of BASH with the KORN SHELL. 
In particular, I'm trying to access individual components in an
array.

     tempvar=`file *`

This is no problem.

     echo $tempvar

Displays a nice (space delimited) list containing the info from
`file *`.

But when I try something like:

     echo $file[1]   or   echo${file[1]}

I come up zero.  And likewise:

     tempvar[1]=`file *`

won't work either.  Does BASH use some other method?  Is that
method portable to sh, csh, and/or ksh?

Thanks,

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From: [email-masked] (M. K. Shenk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: 1 Oct 1994 23:49:32 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Phil Homewood <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Po-Han Lin ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: Now the question is, which os better?  Better as in...
>
>
>: 3) faster
>
>FreeBSD (the difference isn't generally noticeable)

Support this?

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From: [email-masked] (Karsten Johansson)
Subject: Re: assword: 
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 23:12:02 GMT

Sumner West ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Login incorrect

: SAVITR login: f the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

Looks like your WAFFLE just died.

-- 
There are those who are born UNIX     |  Karsten Johansson
Those who are made UNIX               |  416/691-9838
And those who become UNIX             |
For the kingdom of heaven's sake      |  Matthew 19:12

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From: [email-masked] (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
Subject: Re: New User HOWTO proposal
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:19:33 GMT

Matt Welsh ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Miscellaneous tips, tricks, and so forth are already covered in the 
: Tips-HOWTO, by Vince reed ([email-masked]). Please send that information
: to him. I'd rather see people updating the current HOWTOs instead
: of trying to preempt what we already have.
: Thanks,
: mdw

I agree with Matt.  Also, a few other Linux documents that I've found
that most new users overlook that can answer a _LOT_ of first-time and 
configuration questions are :

        Linux Information Sheet

        The Linux Installation HOWTO
        by Matt Welsh, [email-masked]

        Linux Meta-FAQ

        Linux HOWTO Index
        by Matt Welsh, [email-masked]

If I may point out, as mundane as it may seem, the Linux HOWTO Index is very
valuable for pointing the new user to the appropriate documentation to
answer the questions at hand.  
 
-- Mark

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"Linux!     Guerrilla UNIX Development     Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus."
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Mark A. Horton       ka4ybr             [email-masked]
P.O. Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747         [email-masked]
+1.404.371.0291                     33 45 31 N / 084 16 59 W

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Frank Crowell)
Subject: Re: How to access Linux filesystem while running dos?
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 22:03:31 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Philip Siming Zhan <[email-masked]> wrote:
>I know that DOS filesystem is visible from Linux (when you run Linux)
>(you can access un-stackered DOS partition or use DOSemu to access the
>stacked partition.)
>
>On the other hand, how can I access Linux files when I run MSDOS?
>For example, how can I copy a file from Linux partition to DOS or vice
>verse? (I do not mean to excute linux binaries).
>
>Phil

MS DOS only can see its own file system; doesn't know about other types.
Linux can see MS DOS filesystem and HPFS (OS/2: read only).
For completeness, OS/2 can see MS DOS and HPFS file systems, but not Linux.

So if you want to read/write files between Linux and MS DOS, you use
Linux and do a mount such as:
        mount -t msdos <filepartition> <mount point directory>
where <filepartition> is where you dos partition is such as 
        /dev/hda1
and <mount point directory> is a linux directory such as:
        /msdos

Remember too that MS DOS uses the 8.3 name convention so you should
name all your files accordingly.  

-frank

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From: [email-masked] (Maxim Spivak)
Subject: Re: Linux mentioned in PC Week
Date: 2 Oct 1994 00:34:39 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Mats 'MaDsen' Wikholm <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]> Clifford Story <[email-masked]> writes:
>>>I especially like the mention of high stability. Maybe this will satisfy 
>>>the "it's not ready for prime time" naysayers; then again, probably not.
>>Yeah, probably not.  Consider, after all, Windows:  Chicago promises to
>>(someday) bring Windows up to where the Mac was in 1986 and Windows
>>still has 90% market share.  Sheep follow the shepherd...
>
>       Without DOS and Windows the  world of computing would probably
>be a lot  more  developed today than   what  it is.  Everything   that

Well... Don't forget that MS targets the _general_ market, i.e. your 
grandma, grandpa, and dog in addition to you, the superuser. For 
_general_ users, MS Windows with Windows apps is probably a better choice 
than Linux. But not necessarily for me or you.

>MicroSloth gets  on  the  market today  is  supposed  to  be  new  and
>groundbreaking technology...although most of what  they have to  offer
>has already been implemented  in the unix world  long ago. MS has been

Yeah, but could the 8088 in 1981 run UNIX? Probably--Microsoft did buy 
Xenix. But Lotus 123 was written for DOS, which was what probably 
solidified MS-DOS as _the_ major OS for Intel boxes.

>talking  about a system where everything  you use  will be just module
>that sonnect together  to form an entirety. To  me that sounds exactly
>like unix, although their idea will probably include  a lot of 'nifty'
>graphics and OLE aso. MS has also announced that it in MS-DOS 7.0 will

Don't forget that the Unix world is also trying to standardize on a GUI 
(motif on top of X-Windows--COSE) and something similar to OLE--CORBA.

>include multi-tasking   (that must be a  nightmare,  just  think about
>multi-tasking in Windows),  this, if I'm not  mistaken :), is  already
>included in unix.

See my first comment.

>       Since I'm bitching  at MS why not  also say somthing about NT.
>NT stands  for New Technology, hah,  what's new about 32-bti operating
>systems?  And now with the Pentium coming around the New Technology is
>somewhat  outdated... Well OK, Linux  is 32-bit too  but I think Linux
>will  be 64-bit before  Win-NT. And what  about  Chicago... isn't that
>32-bit code too?

Alpha, if I'm correct, is also 64 bit. Is DEC/OSF 64 bit? (Actually I'm 
asking.)

>       I'm not really a big  fan of MicroSloth,  if you didn't  guess
>and this was just my $.01 worth :)

I personally think that there's place in the computing world both for 
various Unices and MS-Windows-type OS's. They are generally used by 
different audiences, with only a little overlap.

>-- 
> . . . .  [email-masked]   /   frantzgatan 3 E 25
>  . . .  @358.(9)21.377.363    /   20380 åbo  finland
>   . .  Linux, the way to get rid of boot viruses  
>    .  <a href="http://at8.abo.fi/~mwikholm">my homepage</a> 

Max

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Damon Roscigno)
Subject: PLS recommend a G++ debugger ( with or without X )
Date: 2 Oct 1994 22:54:40 GMT

I am a new C++ programmer and am looking for a debugger for Linux
I am currently running Slackware 1.1 with kernel .99pl14
I will be upgrading to a later version when I get my new CD
next week or so.  X is not important, I just would like to be
able to step through code and set a few breakpoints.

Thanks!
Dan.

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From: [email-masked] (Steve DuChene)
Subject: Anyone interested in a port of ALGOR to Linux?
Date: 1 Oct 1994 20:33:53 -0400

        The Computer Aided Modeling package Algor is available for Dos, 
        Windows/NT some commercial brands of UNIX (AIX, SunOS, Irix, and
        HP/UX). I have spoken to a representative of this company and 
        expressed an interest in running this under Linux, either as a 
        native app or with the iBCS support now maturing. Unfortunately 
        they don't have an SCO version that we could try with the iBCS 
        support now available. She indicated that letters sent to here 
        attention at the following address would go a long way towards 
        showing an market interest in a Linux/SCO version. Unfortunately 
        this company does not see fit to provide an E-mail address for their 
        customers and prospective clients (perhaps this lack of convenient 
        access method should be pointed out in the letter!) so this will have 
        to be done using snail mail. So anyone who would like to see a port 
        of Algor please write a letter stating you interest to:

                                Adriene Drucker
                                C/O Algor Inc.
                                150 Beta Dr.
                                Pittsburg, PA. 15238

        Since I am located near this area I may try and interest them in a 
        demo of the power and versatility of Linux.
-- 
| Steven A. DuChene   [email-masked]  or  [email-masked]      
| Youngstown State University  | Computer Science / Math / Mech. Eng.
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|       Friends don't let friends do DOS

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From: [email-masked] (Alexandre Naaman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Need MOTIF Library Clone
Date: 30 Sep 1994 21:50:22 GMT

C.W. Southern ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I am looking for MOTIF libraries.  I don't need MOTIF, just the libraries.
: I once saw that someone metion that there where some MOTIF Library clones
: out there.  Does anyone know about this?  Can anyone help.

There is a MOTIF clone being worked on as we speak. Check out the Projects-Map
file for details (on sunsite.unc.edu: /pub/Linux/Incoming or /pub/Linux/docs (I 
think)).

Ciao,

Alex.

--
Alexandre Naaman                    |  Try out my home page :
Mechanical Engineering Student      |  http://www.polymtl.ca:8001/zuse
Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal     |       /naaman/Mosaic/home.html

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From: [email-masked] (Rob Kean)
Subject: Where to find kernal upgrades
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 19:21:06

I'm reletively new to the linux world...only been playing with it for about a 
year now.  I thought I just upgraded to the newest kernal with 1.1.18.

After reading through these posts, I see that the newest ( that I saw 
mentioned) was 1.1.51.  

Where do these come from.  I didn't see them on sunsite or tsx-11???????

thanks

rhk

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