Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #870
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 94 12:13:32 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #870, Volume #2                 Mon, 3 Oct 94 12:13:32 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linus' visit to Perth (Rob Janssen)
  Re: unctrl.h: No such file or directory (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
  Re: Bug in PPP code? (Al Longyear)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Steve Kneizys)
  Motif (Metrolink) 1.2.4 forsale ($110) (Rajesh Raj)
  Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev) (John C. Fisher)
  Re: Suggestions for a 486 PCI Motherboard (Steve DuChene)
  Re: POVRAY-linux with pentium support (Albert Hui)
  Database for linux? (zachary brown)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Matti Aarnio)
  Re: Dynamic IP PPP server (Al Longyear)
  Suitable front-end to postgres ? (Rik Zandvoort)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Phil Homewood)
  Floppy coolnes (was Re: ext2 QUESTIONS) (John Palaima)
  Re: POVRAY-linux with pentium support (Byron Faber)
  Re: Play Audio CD's on Linux? (Jason Dinsdale)
  Re: New Linux Distribution (John Palaima)
  Re: Boot disk -> Root disk (John Palaima)
  Re: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard? (Mikael Lyngvig)
  Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?) (Louis-D. Dubeau)
  In search of help (-== The Paladin ==-)
  Re: New Linux Distribution (Erik Troan)

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From: [email-masked] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Linus' visit to Perth
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 22:51:51 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Robert Ashcroft) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]>, S. Keeling <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>In article <[email-masked]>, Bill Hogan <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>
>>>I thought I might post a brief summary of Linus' presentation at WAUG.
>>[stuff deleted]
>>>on the Sunday for a week in Singapore.  And then will end another leg of
>>>the Linus Torvalds World Tour.  I would've volunteered to show Linus
>>
>>      What I want to know is, who's going to be the the one who
>>produces and distributes the "Linu[sx] World Tour" t-shirts. Who ever
>>it is, put me down for an X-Large, please.            =[8]-)

>Well, can we get his itinerary from the last few (busy) years?

Ok, let's make a start:

   1.  November 2, 1993.  NLUUG, Ede, the Netherlands

Rob
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| e-mail: [email-masked]     | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU     |
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From: [email-masked] (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
Subject: Re: unctrl.h: No such file or directory
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:15:53 GMT

In article <matth.781031467@extro>,
Matthew Hannigan <[email-masked]> wrote:
>[email-masked] (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:
>
>>Programmers should not use <ncurses/ncurses.h>. stick to <ncurses.h>
>>and use -I/usr/include/ncurses to direct the compiler to the correct
>>directory.
>
>But if you do this, then isn't it possible that
>you might include other stuff in /usr/include/ncurses/
>that you might not want?
>
>e.g. you might #include <termcap.h>, and get the one in
>the ncurses directory rather than the one in /usr/include/.
>(They're different on my system, I don't know how much
>that matters)

If you are using ncurses then you SHOULD be using the <termcap.h>
that comes with it. This is kinda the point!

>I just have a feeling that it is safer to #include <pkg/somefile.h>
>in general rather than -I/usr/include/<pkg> , #include <somefile.h>

So how do you propose handing your problem? <ncurses.h> includes
<unctrl.h>. Without the -I you won't find it. Besides ncurses 
could be installed elsewhere (eg. /usr/local/include).

Zeyd

-- 
---
Zeyd M. Ben-Halim       [email-masked]
NCURSES is available from ftp.netcom.com:pub/zmbenhal/ncurses
Current version is 1.8.5

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From: [email-masked] (Al Longyear)
Subject: Re: Bug in PPP code?
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:24:44 GMT

[email-masked] (Ian Chard) writes:

>I recently tried to put my PPP interface into promiscuous mode by accident
>with 'tcpdump -p' and got this fault:

It won't work by the way. :)

>Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address c0000000
>current->tss.cr3 = 00560000, [r3 = 00560000
>*pde = 00102027
>*pte = 00000027
>Oops: 0000
>EIP:    0010:00000000
>EFLAGS: 00010246
>eax: 00000000   ebx: 00000051   ecx: 00582f44   edx: 00190151
>esi: bffffd48   edi: 00582f64   ebp: 0019bbdc   esp: 00582f20
>ds: 0018   es: 0018   fs: 002b   gs: 002b   ss: 0018
>Process tcpdump (pid: 222, process nr: 27, stackpage=00582000)
>Stack: 0013218f 0019bbdc ffffffff 00000000 bffffd28
        ^^^^^^^^
         Please look up this address. It is a call to a procedure which
         is zero. The arguments given to it are (0019bbdc, -1, 0)

>Where am I supposed to be looking in the above message for a pointer into my
>system map?
-- 
Al Longyear           [email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
From: [email-masked] (Steve Kneizys)
Date: 1 Oct 94 20:49:35 EST

Trevor Lampre ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Many have. I have posted twice myself about it and seen at least 5 other 
: posts not including this thread. I have never seen a response and my emails
: to other posters has never been answered. It's pissing me off that nobody
: seems to know the answer or have a fix. I've been patching my kernel up
: to 1.1.51 (I think it got worse at .51) as well as rebuilding my daemons.

: I read a few days ago that the next release of the networking code fixes
: a problem that sounds like this but I've seen no followups as to when it
: will be released.

: As the admin of a public access system it is of great concern to me, I've
: had sendmail die for about 2 days before I noticed as well as the other
: problems described. I spend more time now checking/killing/rebooting
: my network stuff than I do giving more value to my users. I might just
: switch to *BSD, at least the network code works.

: Trevor Lampre.

I have started a couple such threads...nobody posted a solution.  It 
does not bother me that there is a problem, especially with development
versions, but that so many people have posted and never an acknowledgement.  
I would feel better about things, especially in the era of a code freeze
where release 1.2.0 is imminent, that somebody is working to try and patch 
this before that version is out :)  What post was it that you saw this
possible fix with the newest networking code?  

Thanks!

Steve...

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From: Rajesh Raj <rxr401@huxley>
Subject: Motif (Metrolink) 1.2.4 forsale ($110)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 18:40:09 +1000 (EST)

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From: [email-masked] (John C. Fisher)
Subject: Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev)
Date: 1 Oct 1994 12:45:12 GMT

J.J. Paijmans ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Mats 'MaDsen' Wikholm) writes:
: >In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (J.J. Paijmans) writes:
: >>Aside from all that: does anybody know what is involved in getting
: >>bottles with beer to Finland? I understand that the customs over there
: ...
[snip...]

What about "RAM for Linus"?  Beer probably isn't terribly good for him... :-)
If everyone contributed US$1, we could probably get him quite a bit.

I know!  What about "P5-100 for Linus"? :-)

< John Fisher | [email-masked] >

--
--
< John Fisher | [email-masked] >

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From: [email-masked] (Steve DuChene)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for a 486 PCI Motherboard
Date: 1 Oct 1994 20:51:40 -0400

        I know you were asking about recommendations for 486 PCI motherboards
        but I thought I would just mention how well Linux performs on my
        Gateway-2000 P4D-100 (486DX4-100 PCI) system. I am really happy with 
        the speed of the system and the setup was a breeze (except for the 
        problems with the older 1.0 kernels and the 540 Mb EIDE drive). I
        would not hesitate to recommend this system to anyone (now Gateway
        monitors are another story!).
-- 
| Steven A. DuChene   [email-masked]  or  [email-masked]      
| Youngstown State University  | Computer Science / Math / Mech. Eng.
|-------------------------------------------------------------------
|       Friends don't let friends do DOS

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From: [email-masked] (Albert Hui)
Subject: Re: POVRAY-linux with pentium support
Date: 2 Oct 1994 23:46:39 GMT

[email-masked] (Baba Buehler) writes:
>[email-masked] (Matthew S. Crocker) writes:
>>I'm just now running a test on it to see if its any faster but it
>>should be the render.c is -O4  which is the most inportant :)

>i compiled POV-Ray several times with the i2.5.8p version of GCC.  I noticed
>that it was significantly SLOWER than a version compiled with stock 2.5.8 gcc
>and -O6 -m486 optimization.

I'm not sure, but is -O6 bogus (same as -O2) in the stock gcc?

--
`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._
  Albert Hui (The Avatar)            |
  - [email-masked]    | "To boldly code where no one has
  - [email-masked]    |  man page for."   -Joe R. Hacker

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From: [email-masked] (zachary brown)
Subject: Database for linux?
Date: 3 Oct 1994 06:53:19 -0400

Is there a database program for Linux, of similar power to something
like SPSS?

Thanks.

-ZB-

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Matti Aarnio)
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 17:52:39 GMT

[email-masked] (Steve Kneizys) writes:
>Trevor Lampre ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: Many have. I have posted twice myself about it and seen at least 5 other 
>: posts not including this thread. I have never seen a response and my emails
>: to other posters has never been answered. It's pissing me off that nobody
>: seems to know the answer or have a fix. I've been patching my kernel up
>: to 1.1.51 (I think it got worse at .51) as well as rebuilding my daemons.
...
>: Trevor Lampre.

>I have started a couple such threads...nobody posted a solution.  It 
>does not bother me that there is a problem, especially with development
>versions, but that so many people have posted and never an acknowledgement.  
>I would feel better about things, especially in the era of a code freeze
>where release 1.2.0 is imminent, that somebody is working to try and patch 
>this before that version is out :)  What post was it that you saw this
>possible fix with the newest networking code?  

        Compile with  "PC/TCP compability ON",  and it apparently works
        a lot better...

        The real problem is being investigated!

>Thanks!
>
>Steve...

        /Matti Aarnio   <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Al Longyear)
Subject: Re: Dynamic IP PPP server
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:48:29 GMT

[email-masked] (Richard Farrar) writes:

>I am looking for information on how to set up my linux box as a
>dynamic IP ppp server for dial in. Currently I am set up for dump terminal
>dial in. PPP is complied in my kernel 1.1.51 and is running. I would like 
>to offer PPP dial in for Mosaic users. I've RTFM net-2-howto and the readme from 
>ppp-2-1-2a and all they talk about is how to dial into a DYN ppp server,
>but not how to configure your box to be a dynamic IP PPP DIAL IN SERVER.

Please follow the section called "SETTING UP A MACHINE FOR INCOMING
PPP CONNECTIONS" in the README.linux file.

The trick to set up a 'dynamic IP' address is to simply fix the IP
address on the linux side. If you have multiple ports into the Linux
system, then want to setup the IP address, one for each of the
ports. The IP address would go into the configuration file for each
tty line. For example, /dev/ttyS1 would be called /etc/ppp/options.ttyS1.
The software gets the name of the tty with ttyname(), removes the /dev/
prefix, and uses the remainder as the key to the file name.

Always put your local address in the file. I use 10.128.5.10 in this
example. This defines the value that the remote must use as it's
remote address. This IP address does not need to be unique. You may
use the same IP address for all of your incoming lines, as well as one
of the ethernet devices.

For example, if you wish to the remote to use the local address of
10.128.4.12, then you would put the following into the
/etc/ppp/options.ttyS1.

10.128.5.10:10.128.4.12
-detach

The options.tty file is accessed while the pppd process is still root.

In this manner, your client would not specify a remote address. The
address would be assigned to the value in the options file on the
server. Each port which the user connects would have a unique
address. Let the telephone equipment do the hunting for a non-busy
line, and by association, modem.

The -detach parameter prevents the pppd from forking into the
background.  Since it is started by uugetty, the fork would confuse
the getty process into thinking that the shell has disconnected.

(I'll add this to the documentation for the next version. Thanks for
the help.)

-- 
Al Longyear           [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Rik Zandvoort)
Subject: Suitable front-end to postgres ?
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 09:45:46 GMT

Postgres seems to work fine with linux, but writing applications is not that
easy. 

Does there exist any front end that is ported to Linux?
And where can I find it?

Thanks,

Rik
-- 
Rik Zandvoort        <[email-masked]>            Phone: +31 71 131000
Parsec Developments, Leiden, The Netherlands    Fax  : +31 71 142142

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From: [email-masked] (Phil Homewood)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: 1 Oct 1994 20:06:29 +1000

Po-Han Lin ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Now the question is, which os better?  Better as in...

: 1) least bugs, and stable IMPORTANT!

I'd say FreeBSD (not 386bsd btw, I'll leave advocacy of that up to
Jesus....)

: 2) more software available that runs on it

Both (what runs on one usually works with minimal hacking on the other)

: 3) faster

FreeBSD (the difference isn't generally noticeable)

: 4) more compliance to POSIX (I think standards are good, or am I wrong)

Hm... I think Linux gets it on this one (not sure)
- neither is 100% POSIX compliant to my knowledge.

: 5) more people using it.

Linux.

: 6) more support for third-party hardware (VLB, EISA, modems, etc) IMPORTANT!

mmmm possibly Linux, yep, I'd say Linux has it here.

: 7) platform for programming.

What exactly do you mean by this?

: Has anyone actually used both systems?

Yes.  Personal preference: FreeBSD, but Linux has a lot of nice
features.

Phil.
--
Phil Homewood                           [email-masked]
APANA Brisbane Regional Co-Ordinator    [email-masked]
           "Every finger in the room is pointing at me
 I wanna spit in their faces, then I get afraid what that could bring"

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From: [email-masked] (John Palaima)
Subject: Floppy coolnes (was Re: ext2 QUESTIONS)
Date: 3 Oct 1994 13:53:46 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Jeff Kesselman <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>Thats okay, I'm waiting for a compile to finish (god i LOVE UNIX!  ;)  )
>
yeh.  also, has anyone noticed the wonderful feature that you can do multiple
simultaneous copies to/from floppy drives?  And that floppy I/O doesn't kill
system performance? (god I LOVE LINUX :) )

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From: [email-masked] (Byron Faber)
Subject: Re: POVRAY-linux with pentium support
Date: 3 Oct 1994 14:38:00 GMT

[email-masked] (Albert Hui) writes:

[junk deleted]

>I'm not sure, but is -O6 bogus (same as -O2) in the stock gcc?

For gcc 2.5.8 yes.  But I believe gcc 2.6.0 does some more
optimizing so that -O3 is relavent.  (but obviously only for 2.6.0)

Byron

-- 
Real programmers don't comment their code.  It was hard to write, it
should be hard to understand.
                        [email-masked] & http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~bf11620

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From: jasond@leucite (Jason Dinsdale)
Subject: Re: Play Audio CD's on Linux?
Date: 3 Oct 1994 13:13:42 GMT

William Bushing ([email-masked]) wrote:
: OK, call me blind or stupid... flame me to your heart's content.
: I love Linux, but I haven't yet found out how to play audio CD's
: while operating under Linux. I grep'ed through all the documenta-
: tion I could see for anything on audio/CD, but could find nothing.
: I'd hate to return to DOS or, shudder, Windose just to be able to
: play music while I work. I know Linux can do it... my world would
: be complete with multiple windows multitasking PLUS music! Thanks
: in advance for any pointers.

: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: William W. (Boo) Bushing  |  "Life is too important to be
: [email-masked]    |       taken seriously"
: [email-masked]  | 
: [email-masked]  |            - Einstein
: Marine Biotechnology Lab   Univ. of Calif. Santa Barbara
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Your Blind!

Your Stupid!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist!

OK, so you want some tunes huh? Well I use a little 'ole X utility
called "workman" which can be found on the net (sunsite I seem to 
recall) ... very nice ... with good old OpenWindows interface to boot.

Rave on.

Jason D

--
=========================================================
Jason Dinsdale              | Redrock Consultants Ltd,
W:[email-masked]      | 57 Foden Avenue, Ipswich,
H:[email-masked] | Suffolk, IP1 5PL, UK.
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From: [email-masked] (John Palaima)
Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
Date: 3 Oct 1994 14:22:23 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Andreas Helke <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Steven Pritchard ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: [email-masked] (Erik Troan) writes:
>: >DOS doesn't have "rm -rf /".
>: "deltree /y \*.*"
>: Of course, that's probably not a bad thing.  :)

Lets not forget 4DOS' aliasing capabilities:  "del/szqyx \"  will silently and
recursively remove all files and directories...(ok, ok, so it complains about
empty directories, but...)

>DOS does not ship with rm, but many implementations of this nice program are
>available. You can make DOS look exactly like a unix shell with some
>tweaking. Shell scripts instead of batch file etc. Batch files can only be
>run by giving their name as parameter to command.com.  The illusion only
>breaks down if you hit the 640 K barrier or if you try to use the & operator
>or want to fork a process or try to use a filename with 2 points in it.

yeah, I remember the PC-Unix set (something like that) that you could
get off Clarkson's PC's directly back in 89-90, when I was there...  Pretty
cool really.  Back then, some of us had access to Minix, but the damned
Zeniths CU gave us couldn't install it because Minix didn't have 3.5" support
at the time :)

(btw, Russ Nelson, what ever happened to grape.ecs???)

-r-

R. Cooley
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (John Palaima)
Subject: Re: Boot disk -> Root disk
Date: 3 Oct 1994 14:46:24 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Patrick J. Volkerding <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Pramod Koshy <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> ... , it says "out of memory"
>>.Having only 4 MB of RAM , i need the command that disables the ram disk and
>>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

if you're getting your files from sunsite, get your kernel at
sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/distributions/slackware/kernels
under this are a bunch of directories with kernels that *don't* load the
rootdisk into RAM -- try this!  At least, my copy of the July InfoMagic CD
with the copy of the sunsite FTP archive sez to do this...

>Slackware 2.0.1 has a file, LOWMEM.TXT, which describes a couple 
>simple workarounds to this problem.  You can get the file from most 
>Slackware mirror sites, including 
>ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/linux/slackware/LOWMEM.TXT.

I didn't get this file, so I don't know what's in it...

-r-
Rick Cooley, extraordinaire
[email-masked] or [email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: [email-masked] (Mikael Lyngvig)
Subject: Re: Linux on Pentium P90 PCI---which motherboard?
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 12:13:16 GMT

[email-masked] (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:

>If Linux runs on your Pentium P90 PCI, or you know of a working such,
>I'd appreciate knowing what motherboard did the trick.

I'm using a Zeos P90 PCI - it has only been a few days since I installed,
though.  Seems like it runs just fine and smaller load on heavy tasks than
I get on NETCOM at 3:30 am ;)  I haven't got X to run yet; xinit complains
about a missing config file.  My configuration is:

  Zeos P90, 16 MB RAM, 540 MB IDE HD & 340 MB IDE HD, Mitsumi CD-ROM (*),
  2 * 16550 serial ports, Phoenix BIOS (v4.0??), Diamond Stealth 64 (using
  the S3 Vision 964 64-bit chip - not tested yet...), Practical Peripherals
  PM14400FXMT modem - not tested yet), Microsoft mouse (not tested yet).

I been throught a lot of the standard Unix utils, and they all seem to run
just fine.

(*) The Mitsumi drive, as configured by Zeos, needs the command "mcd=0x310,10"
when booting the Mitsumi kernel otherwise Linux won't recognize the drive.

Mikael Lyngvig
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Louis-D. Dubeau)
Subject: Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?)
Date: 03 Oct 1994 13:40:30 GMT

>>>>> "AB" == Axel Boldt <[email-masked]> writes:

    AB> [email-masked] (Jiann-Ming Su) said:

    Terence> sure it will happen if Linux if still around for a couple
    Terence> of more years.

    Jiann-Ming> Why would Linux go away?

    AB> Hurd, maybe? Are they planning an 486 version at all?

The Hurd is coded for the i386/i486 architecture. BTW, my work in the
`Linux on Mach' project (was formerly knows as linuxss) is based on
the Hurd: ie. my goal is to implement Linux compatibility on the
Hurd. Right now I have an ext2fs server working (but still alpha).

So the Hurd does not spell doom for Linux.

        ldd

-- Louis-Dominique Dubeau == [email-masked] == [email-masked] --
-- Linux on Mach project: http://step.polymtl.ca/~ldd/

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From: [email-masked] (-== The Paladin ==-)
Subject: In search of help
Date: 3 Oct 1994 14:44:01 GMT

Thank you for reading this.
I have a slight problem with linux/os2-2.1/dos-win.

I have a 1gig ide drive, on which I am trying to install os2 
and linux to replace dos-win.

problem 1 > os2 boot manager freeses when I select dos boot.

problem 2 > linux doesn't understand the drive, possibly
                because of my BIOS.

problem 3 > I am using stacker on another disk that has all of my 
                DOS applications, which I wish to retain, and
                can't un-stack because that drive is small.

problem 4 > tape drive / sound card / cd-rom all seem
                non-functional under OS2 and linux.
                Am I missing something obvious?

I spend the weekend going through news, documentation, and FAQs.
I didn't find much to help.
I think getting stacker for OS2 will solve some problems,
but is there a stacker for linux?  Or should I byte the bullet (sorry)
and delete some applications?  

Any help welcomed.

thnak you again,
        p

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From: [email-masked] (Erik Troan)
Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
Date: 3 Oct 1994 15:00:15 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Andreas Helke <[email-masked]> wrote:
>: [email-masked] (Erik Troan) writes:
>
>: >DOS doesn't have "rm -rf /".
>
>DOS does not ship with rm, but many implementations of this nice program are
>available. You can make DOS look exactly like a unix shell with some
>tweaking. Shell scripts instead of batch file etc. Batch files can only be
>run by giving their name as parameter to command.com.  The illusion only
>breaks down if you hit the 640 K barrier or if you try to use the & operator
>or want to fork a process or try to use a filename with 2 points in it.

Once upon a time there was a DOS user who saw Unix, and saw that it was
good. After typing cp on his DOS machine at home, he downloaded GNU's
unix tools ported to DOS and installed them. He rm'd, cp'd, and mv'd 
happily for many days, and upon finding elvis, he vi'd and was happy. After
a long day at work (on a Unix box) he came home, started editing a file,
and couldn't figure out why he couldn't suspend vi (w/ ctrl-z) to do
a compile.

That day he want and got Linux (0.95) and installed it. Viola! ctrl-z worked
and all was good.

That user was me, and DOS's illusion broke down pretty quickly for me.

Erik
-- 
============================================================================
"Like a fool I let dreams become great expectations" - Chess

        Erik Troan = [email-masked] = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt

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    nic.funet.fi				pub/OS/Linux
    tsx-11.mit.edu				pub/linux
    sunsite.unc.edu				pub/Linux

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