Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #878
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 94 17:13:22 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #878, Volume #2                 Tue, 4 Oct 94 17:13:22 EDT

Contents:
  Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Sascha Klein)
  Bluewave?? (Andre Broers)
  Re: Linux/FreeBSD ISDN support (Scott Ferguson)
  Re: Looking for SCO Wordperfect DEMO (James Lewis Nance)
  I found an answer, thanks (Re: Mosaic for Linux?) (Daniel MORRISON)
  Converting DIALOGIC's adpcm... (Jan Willems)
  Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev) (Mitchum DSouza)
  Re: Slackware 2.0 = no more fsck on boot up?? (K.D. knguyen)
  where to get wordperfect demo? (Michael Babcock)
  Linux Thrifty Nickle - Oct. 94 (Randy Hootman)
  Voice Mail on Linux (Herb Groeger)
  Re: X News-reader for LinuX (Hans de Graaff)
  Re: IP Gateway/Forwarding Problem (Jared Reimer)
  ISA IDE Controller Card, Again (Jiann-Ming Su)
  Re: tcpdump  [short q] (Alan Cox)
  Re: Are any of the Linux supporet site NFS mountable? (Alan Cox)
  Re: Hmmm (Mitchum DSouza)
  Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? ([email-masked])
  Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM? (AlexR2D42)
  Re: How can I rank video cards for Linux? (Joe Zulaski)
  Re: Hmmm (Mitchum DSouza)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Jerry W Johnson)
  RFD: comp.os.linux reorganization (Dave Sill)

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From: [email-masked] (Sascha Klein)
Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
Date: 4 Oct 1994 10:52:15 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Ove Hansen) writes:
... deleted something ...
|> Linux is very good - but not good enough yet to build a "corporate 
|> network". From my .sig you'll see that I'm somewhat biased - just FYI 
|> before flaming me - I'm running a large network of SGI machines, I've run 
|> large networks of Suns, VAXes and Macs - but I've also recommended and 
|> installed Dell Pentiums + Slackware to friends who needed enough bang but 
|> didn't have the bucks. Actually, I log in to and use one almost daily. 
|> *Very* nice indeed - five people on? Don't notice each other. Dead stable
|> too (last downtime was planned - and note time before load average...):
|> 
|> hal:~$ w
|>   3:37am  up 14 days, 12:44,  6 users,  load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.01
|> 
|> It'd make me throw out my PS/2 with Windows any day but you'll never ever
|> see me swapping my Indy for it (DOOM runs well on SGIs too so... :-)
|>  
|> -- 
|> Ove Hansen - Network Administrator                 e-mail: [email-masked]
|> Silicon Graphics Manufacturing S.A. (Switzerland)  Phone : (41-38) 433 535
|> Chemin des Rochettes 2, CH-2016 Cortaillod         Fax   : (41-38) 433 900

Here is some uptime information of our linux-network:

frodo         up 88+16:44,     0 users,  load 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
thorin        up 111+22:45,     1 user,   load 0.00, 0.00, 0.07
bilbo         up 56 +23:25,     1 user,  load 0.00, 0.02, 0.00

We use linux-1.0. Everything works ok.

Sascha Klein
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Andre Broers)
Date: 03 Oct 94 15:32:02 
Subject: Bluewave??

Hello,

Does someone know if there exists a bluewave reader for linux??

If there exists, where can I get it?

thanks, [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Scott Ferguson)
Crossposted-To: comp.dcom.isdn,mn.general
Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD ISDN support
Date: 4 Oct 1994 11:27:33 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Neal Dalton) says:

>So, I think everyone should, on principle, call Digiboard and tell them
>that they want this [ISDN] support.

Great.  Let's hassle the poor folks at DigiBoard.  Then maybe we can get
our phone company, US Wurst, to support ISDN too.  (BTW when will MRN
support ISDN for dial-IP service?)

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From: [email-masked] (James Lewis Nance)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Looking for SCO Wordperfect DEMO
Date: 4 Oct 1994 11:20:48 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (James Lewis Nance)

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (C.W. Southern) writes:
> 
> I am looking for the SCO Workperfect DEMO, so I can check out iBCS on
> my Linux box.
> 
>

ftp to ftp.wordperfect.com and cd into the directory:
 
UNIX/WP51/DEMOS/SCO

get the file sco.z.  This is a compressed tar file.  If you uncompress it
and gzip it it will drop from 8 megs to 5.

make a directory on you linux machine, and untar this file in that directory.
Get the file wpfix.tar.gz off of sunsite and follow the directions in it.

Jim

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel MORRISON)
Subject: I found an answer, thanks (Re: Mosaic for Linux?)
Date: 29 Sep 1994 05:08:43 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Daniel MORRISON <[email-masked]> wrote:

>I've been trying to compile NCSA Mosaic under Linux 1.1.13 and having no luck.
>I can't seem to configure it properly - can't find a bunch of files in an Xm
>directory.  Can anyone help?

I found other articles that pointed me to 
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/slackware/non-commercial-use/m1

Thanx - Daniel
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From: [email-masked] (Jan Willems)
Subject: Converting DIALOGIC's adpcm...
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 13:41:47 GMT

Dear netters,

        Sorry for this non linux subject but I do not know
        another way to reach the linux dialogic users!

        I am looking for the algorithm that can convert
        the dialogic compressed voiceformat to the
        original sample values. 
        They use something like ADPCM but it's their own
        version.
        Is there any existing software that could do it for me?

        Anyone who can help me?

        Thanks in advance.

        BTW: I use the older D41 boards.

        Regards,
        Jan Willems.
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Jan Willems, Department of Computer Science,|      -0-0-
Utrecht University, the Netherlands,        |        |   
tel: +31-30-534114, e-mail: [email-masked]  |       \_/

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From: [email-masked] (Mitchum DSouza)
Subject: Re: Beers for Linus (was: Contrib. $s for Linux Dev)
Date: 4 Oct 1994 13:58:39 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (John C.
Fisher) writes:
|> J.J. Paijmans ([email-masked]) wrote:
|> : In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Mats
|> 'MaDsen' Wikholm) writes:
|> : >In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (J.J. Paijmans) writes:
|> : >>Aside from all that: does anybody know what is involved in getting
|> : >>bottles with beer to Finland? I understand that the customs over there
|> : ...
|> [snip...]
|> 
|> What about "RAM for Linus"?  Beer probably isn't terribly good for him...
|> :-)
|> If everyone contributed US$1, we could probably get him quite a bit.
|> 
|> I know!  What about "P5-100 for Linus"? :-)

Please remember that "Linux" is not Linus (I have nothing against Linus 
personally). What I mean is that in its current form "Linux" is *much* more
than Linus could have achieved (probably) in the same time scale. It is
more a melting pot of team skills from around the world, and Linus, (most
likely one of the nicest people you are likely to meet), would wholeheartedly 
agree.

Moreover in expectation with this good nature it would be likely that he
would decline your offer of money because it makes those people who cannot
afford to donate feel alienated (think of those countries where linux has
reached - Russia/India where a single dollar is still relatively quite a
significant amount). Furthermore it may lead to a scenario of donation
competition - (i.e. I gave more than you).

To solve some of these problems a trust-fund is being set up, (details to
be published), which will serve as center for donations. The aim of this group
will be to distribute money for books/software/hardware to the various linux
developers, (including this Linus guy whoever he is), and also GNU to whom
linux owes so much.

Mitch

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From: [email-masked] (K.D. knguyen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Slackware 2.0 = no more fsck on boot up??
Date: 04 Oct 1994 17:43:47 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I got the same problem. When I tried to fsck the root file partition
(/dev/hdb1) while it is mounted. fsck seems to corrupt the root file system. I
had to reinstall Slackware.  Unfortunate, I did not remember the error
messages from fsck, but the error messages from boot daemon are something
about bad blocks are flagged. I am watching to see if this ever happens again.
--
          '''           K.D. Nguyen  
         (o o)          BDM Federal, Inc.
=====oOO==(_)==OOo===== [email-masked]

Laugh and the world thinks you're an idiot.

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Babcock)
Subject: where to get wordperfect demo?
Date: 2 Oct 1994 14:48:29 -0600

Anybody know where I can get a copy of the wordperfect demo that runs
under linux?
ftp.wordperfect.com is apparently dead.

Thanks

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From: [email-masked] (Randy Hootman)
Subject: Linux Thrifty Nickle - Oct. 94
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 05:53:03 GMT

The Linux Thrifty Nickle is a way that businesses worldwide can advertize 
their Linux support and services for free. The October 1994 edition is 
available for anonymous ftp at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/rph/ltn1094.txt.gz.

Enjoy.

d8-)
Randy Hootman
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      we pay ourselves the highest tribute." - Thurgood Marshall
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From: [email-masked] (Herb Groeger)
Subject: Voice Mail on Linux
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:30:43 GMT

Has anyone used a voice mail board with Linux?  If so, please let me known.
I'd like to set up a voice mail system for my church, and since I'm a Linux
advocate, I'd rather not use DOZE.

Thanks.

________________________________________________________________________________
Domain: [email-masked]      Herbert A. Groeger
  UUCP: ...!uunet!herbws!herb      Measurex  Management Systems Division
 Voice: (513)-825-3931 x8924       1280 Kemper Meadow Drive
Direct: (513)-595-8924             Cincinnati, Ohio 45240, USA
   Fax: (513)-825-5393

  "Honesty" without compassion and understanding is not honest, but
  subtle hostility.
                                   -- Rose N. Franzblau

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From: [email-masked] (Hans de Graaff)
Subject: Re: X News-reader for LinuX
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 13:33:06 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Marc Fraioli <[email-masked]> wrote:
>xvnews is a good one too, if you have the xview libraries installed.
>Current version is 2.2 pl1.  I think it's on sunsite.  Note it only
>works with NNTP, I think.

Source code to xvnews is available from:

        ftp.twi.tudelft.nl:/pub/news/xvnews-2.2.1.tar.gz
        ftp.uu.net:/networking/news/readers/xvnews/*

2.2.1 is indeed the last version, although 2.3 is currently being
beta-tested. It does only work with NNTP, and there are currently no
plans to support reading articles directly from the spool area.

Hans
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Delft University of Technology        Department of Information Systems
=======================================================================
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From: Jared Reimer <[email-masked]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: IP Gateway/Forwarding Problem
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 07:21:07 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Brian Weaver wrote:

> Do you have a proxyarp entry for the laptop on the
> linux machine ? 
> 

No. How do I add a "proxyarp" entry on the Linux box?

Thanks,

Jared

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From: [email-masked] (Jiann-Ming Su)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.os.linux.help,alt.os.linux
Subject: ISA IDE Controller Card, Again
Date: 4 Oct 1994 14:46:33 GMT

Anybody have any experience with the GSI Model 18 and 21 ISA IDE controller
cards?  What makes these two worth 2 to 3 times more than any other 
ISA IDE controller card?  I don't think they cache.
Are they compatible with Linux?

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: tcpdump  [short q]
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 13:51:05 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:
>What is the Linux command to do a "tcpdump"?  I type tcpdump on
>my linux box and it says command not found!  

tcpdump - you might find its not part of your distribution - its on sunsite.

Alan

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Are any of the Linux supporet site NFS mountable?
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:00:18 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> ahightow@comp..uark.edu (Alan Hightower) writes:
>
>    I was wanting to archive the various Linux sites on 1GB read/write
>optical drives.  It would be easier than ftp'ing if I could NFS mount
>the various archive sites and do a cp -r.

It'll also cause about ten times the load and take days longer - get the
'mirror' package for mirroring archives - mirror it onto your disk.

Alan

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From: [email-masked] (Mitchum DSouza)
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
Subject: Re: Hmmm
Date: 3 Oct 1994 11:58:42 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Jussi Rosti)
writes:
|> In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Mitchum
|> DSouza) writes:
|> 
|> >Hey I'm a fan. Have been so since 0.10. Im sure everyone else joined a bit
|> more
|> >recently. 
|> 
|> Oh boy, you're real tough guy!  What a forerunner!

Hey Thanx :-)

Mitch

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 94 10:26:43 PDT

The only problems I have found with the Yggrdrasil distribution were related to 
a few files that were never moved to the HD but kept as a sym-link, even after 
installing cd independent.

This bit me the first time I built the 1.1 (pl 50) kernel.  I found make, a86, 
and a few other odd things that were nessisary to still be linked to the cd.  
The worst was, after the build and install of the image, one of the utilities 
ran before lilo in their make-install target was still missing from the local 
HD.  I had a system which no longer booted (replaced system image but not 
lilo'd).

After going back to a boot disk, finding the nessisary piece from the CD, and 
doing a lilo with a hand-built lilo config file (my root mounted as the CD with 
floppy boot), I was fine.

I like the slackware distribution and similar disk-image based distributions a 
little better because I feel I have better control over what I get when I 
install.  With the yggdrasil, it's often all or nothing, and sometimes all is 
not all.  For example, I did not want X, but was stuck with it in the yggdrasil 
distribution, and then had to prune it out.

If they could provide more menu choices up front offering finer control over 
what they install as their base system, or provide a post-install utility 
script which can 'trim' unwanted files from the HD (either re-symlink to the CD 
or remove completely) such as, in my case, X from the base system, ada compiler 
from gnu, etc, then I would be very happy with the Yggrasil distribution.

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From: [email-masked] (AlexR2D42)
Subject: Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM?
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 03:29:23 GMT

Beeblebrox ([email-masked]) wrote:
: [email-masked] (Eberhard Moenkeberg) writes:

: >The specs are lying. The Panasonic is faster than the Mitsumi.
: What evidence do you have for that ?
:

My Linux box running 1.1.45.

Best wishes,
Alex

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From: [email-masked] (Joe Zulaski)
Subject: Re: How can I rank video cards for Linux?
Date: 4 Oct 1994 14:28:14 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jiann-Ming Su)  
writes:
> In article <[email-masked]>,
> Larry Doolittle <[email-masked]> wrote:
> >
> >Most accelerators *are* supported by XFree now.  Almost all will be
> >supported by the next release (3.1) coming out RSN.  The notable  
exceptions
> >are some Diamond cards (proprietary clock chips), ATI Mach64, and  
Matrox.

..edited...
> 
> I thought it was just the Diamonds and Matrox that were not supported.
> I was under the impression that the ATI Mach64 is.  In fact, our
> local linux user's group machine is using the Mach64.

I am extremely interested if anyone knows for sure whether the ATI Mach 64  
will be supported with the next release (3.1).  I am about to purchase a  
PCI video card and was leaning toward the Mach64.  Anyone have any other  
suggestions?  I wish to use a PCI 64 bit card that supports Linux if  
possible.

Thanks,

Joe Zulaski

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From: [email-masked] (Mitchum DSouza)
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
Subject: Re: Hmmm
Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:02:52 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Michael
O'Reilly) writes:
|> Mitchum DSouza ([email-masked]) wrote:
|> 
|> : Hey I'm a fan. Have been so since 0.10. Im sure everyone else joined
|> : a bit more recently.
|> 
|> Not everyone. :) I read thru .10, and started running it at .11. Those
|> were the days. None of these newfangled things like pageing, or
|> networking, or login's etc.

Huh ? What is Natworkin and that logun thing anyway ? Do you think it is worth 
upgrading from 0.10 ?? What feature does > 0.10 have?

|> The REAL thing. When free memory pages were found by searching
|> linearly thru memory . ;) (Linus, you reading this? Remember when that
|> was pointed out? :)

0.10 forever !!!

Mitch

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From: [email-masked] (Jerry W Johnson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: 3 Oct 1994 06:59:38 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Nate Williams <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>, Po-Han Lin <[email-masked]> wrote:
>You were misinformed.  Both Linux and the BSD's use monolithic kernels. 
>For a fun discussion of this, there is a series of articles were Linus
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and Andy Tanenbaum 'discussed' the merits of both of these when Linux
>was in it's infancy.
>Nate

[snip nate's sig]

Might anyone have or know where these articles might be obtained,
please? Maybe a more detailed "when", too? 
TIA. Cheers, --Jerry

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From: Dave Sill <[email-masked]>
Crossposted-To: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.announce
Subject: RFD: comp.os.linux reorganization
Date: 4 Oct 1994 17:03:48 -0400

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                     comp.os.linux reorganization

Summary: A number of new groups in the comp.os.linux hierarchy are
         proposed, one moderated, the rest unmoderated.

Proponent: Dave Sill, [email-masked] 

History: This proposed reorganization was prompted originally by the
         excessive level of traffic in comp.os.linux.help.  Following
         a straw poll conducted by the proponent, an RFD was posted
         for breaking comp.os.linux.help into various subgroups and
         creating comp.os.linux.answers for separating the
         documentation and announcements currently posted to
         comp.os.linux.announce.  During the discussion period, it
         became evident that it would be preferable to create the
         groups directly under comp.os.linux, rather than splitting
         comp.os.linux.help.  This RFD reflects that change.

1) Group: comp.os.linux.answers (moderated)

 Charter: For posting Linux FAQs, How-To's, and READMEs.  This will
          help keep the traffic down in other c.o.l.* groups and will
          leave comp.os.linux.announce for true announcements only.
          C.o.l.answers will be moderated--either by a member of the
          *.answers moderation team or by an independent moderator.
          If no one else volunteers, I'd be willing to be the
          moderator. 

2) Group: comp.os.linux.games (unmoderated)

 Charter: For questions and discussion about game playing under Linux,
          e.g. Doom.

3) Group: comp.os.linux.hardware (unmoderated)

 Charter: For questions and discussion specific to a particular piece
          of hardware, e.g., "can this system run Linux?", "how do I
          use this disk drive with Linux?", etc.

4) Group: comp.os.linux.networking (unmoderated)

 Charter: For questions and discussion relating to networking or
          communications including Ethernet boards, serial
          communications, SLIP, etc.

5) Group: comp.os.linux.video (unmoderated)

 Charter: For questions and discussion relating to video hardware or 
          software including XFree86, commercial X servers, svgalib,
          console modes/fonts, dosemu, etc.)

After a discussion period of 21-30 days, if there are not overwhelming
objections to any of the proposed groups, there will be a Call For
Votes (CFV) posted to the groups as this RFD.  The voting period will
be at least 21 days.  Each group that passes, by receiving 100 more
YES votes than NO votes *and* twice as many YES votes as NO votes,
will be created.
-- 
Dave Sill ([email-masked])
Martin Marietta Energy Systems, Workstation Support
URL http://www.digital.com/info/dsill.html

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