Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #881
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:13:20 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #881, Volume #2                 Wed, 5 Oct 94 10:13:20 EDT

Contents:
  Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM? (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Michael_Nelson)
  Linux and Houdini-Macs (Damir Smitlener)
  Help w/SB16 SCSI2 & linux (Donald R Lloyd)
  Re: X News-reader for LinuX (Hans de Graaff)
  Re: kermit on Linux CD - violates copyrights (Adam J. Richter)
  Problem with static route table (Hien Pham)
  Re: Cirrus Logic 5428 ! (Rudie Vantoever)
  Re: Bash Arrays[?] (Kevin K. Lewis)
  Re: PLS recommend a G++ debugger ( with or without X ) (Matt Weber)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Piet Ruyssinck)
  final test (News)
  final test ([email-masked])
  Re: How to let normal users run SVGALIB programs (SOLN) (Mr D R Barlow)
  Re: Slackware Pro v2.0 old? (zachary brown)
  Wanted: True color pix-viewer (Arjan van Oeveren)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (J.J. Paijmans)
  Re: How to pronounce Linux?? (Nisse Husberg)
  SB_PRO does not sound like 4W/channel..
  Re: Hmmm (Geert Uytterhoeven)

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From: [email-masked] (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM?
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 14:02:09 GMT

[email-masked] (Daniel Quinlan) writes:

>>>> The specs are lying. The Panasonic is faster than the Mitsumi.

>>> What evidence do you have for that ?

>Teemu Kilpivuori <[email-masked]> writes:

>> Yeah,what. As I understand, Panasonic doesn't use IRQ nor DMA, only
>> software polling, which makes it slower,and it causes more CPU-load
>> than Mitsumi with IRQ and DMA enabled. I have tested both drives,
>> and seen that myself, which is why I bought a Mitsumi.

>Unless I am mistaken, that isn't the case.

>Under Linux, Mitsumi drives don't require an IRQ although they will
>use one and don't use DMA even if the drive does support it.

>Did you test it under Linux or another operating system?

And to think.... SCSI is made soooooo obsolete by these proprietary
CD-ROM interfaces........   ;)

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From: [email-masked] (Michael_Nelson)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 4 Oct 1994 13:10:26 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Spencer PriceNash ([email-masked]) wrote:

-> In the case of becoming very clever, you could use TeX, but I don't
-> think you wanna hear that.

        Well, there _is_ an intermediate step: LaTeX.  It seems to me to be
fairly easy to use, compared to TeX.

                                - Michael -

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Michael Nelson                          [email-masked]
San Francisco, CA                           FAX: 1-415-621-2608

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From: [email-masked] (Damir Smitlener)
Subject: Linux and Houdini-Macs
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 18:01:42 -0500

Anyone tried to install Linux on a Mac with a Houdini (486) board? If this
is possible, all my troubles would be over.

-- 
damir smitlener
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Donald R Lloyd)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Help w/SB16 SCSI2 & linux
Date: 3 Oct 1994 10:35:48 -0400

I've got a 330 meg SCSI drive and an NEC SCSI CD-ROM connected to 
an SB16 SCSI2 (at least until there's a Linux driver for the AHA2940 
that's currently sitting on my shelf waiting to become useful).  I'm
booting DOS from a 730 meg WD IDE drive on a PCI enhanced IDE controller,
and want to dedicate the SCSI drive to Linux.  I'm trying to install
Linux from the Slackware Linux Toolkit (August) CD-Rom.

I boot the install disks using the SCSI kernel and can get the system
set up & installed if I enter RAMDISK aha152x=0x140,12,7,1 at the
boot: prompt.  Everything runs smoothly; install goes fine, boot disk
created, LILO installed with the above aha152x line as an append; but
I can't boot the system except from the install disks.  When I boot LILO
(either from HD or floppy), I get LI01010101... on into infinity.  (Err..
it might be 101010, not 010101... it's whichever doesn't mean it's a CRC
error).  When I try to boot from the boot disk I created, my drives
can't be found and I never even get to a prompt.

-- 
Don Lloyd    [email-masked]          "Mmmmmm.... floor pie."

Stuck using a PC, but still an Amiga guy at heart...

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From: [email-masked] (Hans de Graaff)
Subject: Re: X News-reader for LinuX
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 07:30:44 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Don Rubin <[email-masked]> wrote:
>I use XRn and it leaves alot to be desired. Has anyone built
>xvNews for Linux? I would be interested in hearing about any
>other X newsreaders too. 

xvnews 2.2.1 compiles on Linux without problems (in fact, xvnews is
currently being developed on Linux).

Hans
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From: adam@adam (Adam J. Richter)
Subject: Re: kermit on Linux CD - violates copyrights
Date: 4 Oct 1994 16:56:39 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Budi Rahardjo <[email-masked]> wrote:
>To CD-ROM vendors, ftp maintainers, etc., there is a "discussion" in
>comp.protocols.kermit.misc that if you provide kermit on your CD
>or ftp-site, you have to contact Columbia University to get a
>permission to distribute it.
>Otherwise, you are violating their policy.

        Yggdrasil long ago removed kermit from Plug-and-Play Linux
for this reason.  I believe that the other Linux CD makers have done
the same with their CD's.

-- 
Adam J. Richter                           Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated
(408) 261-6630                            "Free Software For The Rest of Us."

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From: [email-masked] (Hien Pham)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Problem with static route table
Date: 4 Oct 1994 18:06:08 GMT

Hi everyone,

I have a problem with networking my Linux box.  I have Yddrasil Summer 94
Linux 1.1.0 #84 with NET-2 running.  I have set up my static route table with
local ip address of 128.178.10.1 and 128.178.10.2 for my Linux boxes with
netmask 255.255.255.0 and broadcast addr 128.178.10.255. The system is
on the same datalink.  My local network is 128.178.10.0.  My first
problem is "arp -a" returns nothing and when I execute "netstat -rn" I got
the error "route: unsupported address family 2560 !".  Any ideas ?  My 
ifconfig shows that my NIC card is running with arp up as configured.
Moreover, my xserver can't seem to run remote x-clients.  I keep getting
the message "can connect to calvin:0.0".  Thanks in advance for any advice.

--
  %  Henry Pham    %%%  Jet Propulsion Laboratory                        %
  % Senior Software%%%  4800 Oak Grove Drive                             %
  %    Engineer    %%%  Pasadena,  CA 91109                              %
  %                %%%  E-Mail: [email-masked]                 %

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From: [email-masked] (Rudie Vantoever)
Date: 04 Oct 94 22:06:01 
Subject: Re: Cirrus Logic 5428 !

Looks there are many problems with Cirrus 5428 cards

 ru> From: [email-masked] ()
 ru> Date: 3 Oct 1994 18:23:21 GMT
 ru> Organization: Tilburg University, The Netherlands
Rutger ( [email-masked] ) wrote:
 ru> Richard Stone ([email-masked]) wrote:
 ru> : Liu Chen ([email-masked]) wrote:
 : : ->  My computer is using Cirrus Logic 5428 Display Card!
 : : ->  Anyone out there knows how to set the "Xconfig" file in Linux in order
 ru> to execute Xwindows successfully? : : Me too!
 ru> : I've seen enough requests for this that I'll post my (working)
 ru> Xconfig file : for the CLGD-5428 to anonymous ftp on my home system in
 ru> /pub/linux. 
 ru> Here's my Xconfig file: I've got the CLGD-5426 card. The Xconfig file
 ru> is working although I don't get a completely stable screen...

I use 'Xconfig' as shown below. I use a HK brewed VGA card with a 5428 
and a NEC Mulitisync II monitor. Screen is stable, vertical timing from monitor
is not 100 %.
You can use 'clgd5426' also. 

========================== cut ========================================

RGBPath         "/usr/X386/lib/X11/rgb"
FontPath        "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,
                                                /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
Keyboard
  AutoRepeat 500 5
  ServerNumLock
LeftAlt         Meta
RightAlt        Compose
ScrollLock      ModeLock
Microsoft       "/dev/mouse"
  BaudRate      1200
vga256
  Virtual       800 600
  ViewPort      0 0
  Modes         "800x600" "640x480" 
  Chipset       "clgd5428"
Displaysize     800 600
# Clocks 25.23 28.32 41.16 36.08 31.50 39.19 45.08 49.87 64.98 72.16 75 80.01 
vga2
  Virtual       800 600
  ViewPort      0 0
  Modes        "800x600" "640x480"
ModeDB
# name      clock  horizontal timing     vertical timing      flags
"640x480"   28     640  676  776  812    480  480  485  505
"752x564"   36     752  788  916  952    564  564  569  594
"800x600"   40     800  864  1000 1056   600  600  605  631 

============================= cut ========================================

Rudie van 't Oever
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From: [email-masked] (Kevin K. Lewis)
Subject: Re: Bash Arrays[?]
Date: 04 Oct 1994 17:54:07 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (David J Topper) writes:

   Greetings from the exasperation society,
   
   I'm wondering about the compatibility of BASH with the KORN SHELL. 
   In particular, I'm trying to access individual components in an
   array.
[...]   
   won't work either.  Does BASH use some other method?  Is that
   method portable to sh, csh, and/or ksh?

Bash does not have arrays.  I've heard rumors of Bash supporting
arrays in the future, though.
   
   Thanks,
   
--
Kevin K. Lewis               | My opinions may be unreasonable
[email-masked]       | but such is the voice of inspiration

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From: [email-masked] (Matt Weber)
Subject: Re: PLS recommend a G++ debugger ( with or without X )
Date: 4 Oct 1994 17:15:43 GMT

gdb and try it within emacs.  You don't need X for emacs and it will show
your code in another section of the screen.  The only thing I miss at home
that I have at home that I have at work is purify (memory bounds checker).
Even that can be simulated with some of the development malloc's floating
around.  Right now I'm trying to get debug_malloc to work.  This is at 
oak.oakland.edu but I forget the directory. It's something like
pub/unix/c/devel/debug-malloc.tar.Z  

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From: [email-masked] (Piet Ruyssinck)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 5 Oct 1994 10:08:07 GMT

Nick Kralevich ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Greetings.

: I'm attempting to find a word processor for Linux.
stop attempting, install TeX/LaTeX
: One that will allow me to create reports
LaTeX does that
: and type up documents.
LaTeX does that  

: So far I've been using Jove
That's an editor...
: which is useful as a text editor, but not as a word processor.
... as you've discovered.
: I'm looking for somthing that will allow
: for different fonts, along with text formatting.
Then you need LaTeX

: I don't think emacs is what I'm looking for.
That's also an editor.
: I've heard of TeX, but I'm not really sure what it is, and I'm 
: hesitating to install the 14 disks it takes for the binary
: distribution.
Stop hesitating.

: So, what is a good word processor for Linux or Unix in general?
LaTeX
: Preferably somthing that is freeware or shareware.
LaTeX is freeware
: What do you use?
LaTeX

Hope this helps,
--
| Piet RUYSSINCK                  [email-masked] |
| Department of Data Analysis               +32 9 264 4733 |
| University of Ghent (RUG)                                |
| Krijgslaan 281, building S9 (ARC), B-9000 Ghent, Belgium |

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From: [email-masked] (News)
Subject: final test
Date: 05 Oct 1994 11:53:07 GMT

If this works, I'll stop, ok?

Bozzo

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: final test
Date: 5 Oct 1994 12:55:44 +0100

test

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From: [email-masked] (Mr D R Barlow)
Subject: Re: How to let normal users run SVGALIB programs (SOLN)
Date: 5 Oct 1994 13:06:26 +0100

In article <[email-masked]>,
        [email-masked] (Nick Hilliard) writes:
>Andrew Berkley ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: (try running sasteroids from a telnet :).  But, since SVGALIB needs access
>: to /dev/console (new versions) which is a link to a tty0-6, you need
>: someway of letting it access them.  One solution is to make tty? world
>: readable/writeable/etc, but that's just wrong...  The real solution, which
>: most SVGALIB install programs do (witness zgv) is to install the program
>: with owner _root_, and set the 'Run this program as owner' bit on the
>: program.
>: chmod a+s FileName
>
>This is *NOT* a solution.  This is *DANGEROUS* and *STUPID*.

Arguably.  It is however the only way to run svgalib programs as
non-root.  The problem isn't the tty permission, it's the fact that
svgalib does direct port access.  

It does however provide a call (vga_init()?) which sets everything up
and resets the uids, which is supposed to be the first line of any
svgalib program.  You can also tighten it up a bit -- one suggestion
is to make all svgalib programs group 'console' and group executable
(-rwsr-x---      1 root        console), then add only the users you 
'kind of' trust to the console group.

It's still not exactly an ideal solution, but the alternatives seem to
be to put it in the kernel (bloat...) or to make a kind of
client/server thing with one setuid process and normal user processes
communicating with it.  This has however already been done, it's called
X :-)  Does anyone have any better ideas.

Daniel

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From: [email-masked] (zachary brown)
Subject: Re: Slackware Pro v2.0 old?
Date: 5 Oct 1994 08:18:31 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>, Wayne Adams <[email-masked]> wrote:
>       I just received my cd-rom version of Slackware's Pro v2.0 and see 
>that it is using the Linux kernel 1.1.18 but now I see the kernel is all the 
>way up to 1.1.50 (anything newer?). Being a newbie to Linux, should I be 
>concerned with this, or get used to using Linux before recompiling the 
>kernel? It also came with Xfree 2.1.1 and 3.0 and I now see 3.1 is avail. 
>Again, do the upgrade? 
>       I understand that things change quickly, but still wondering. (G)
>                       TIA,
>                       Wayne
>

In terms of the kernel, I'd say don't bother keeping up unless you're
into developing it with the other generous people who do. The kernel you
received was chosen for stability after it had been around awhile. The
more up to date a kernel is, the less certain you can be that it is
stable. But sometimes you'll want to take that risk if a newer version
supports some hardware that wasn't supported before, or if some software
requires it.

As for the new Xfree 3.1, it is apparently a major enhancement over
the previous version, and because of the way it's developed (as opposed
to the linux method), new releases of Xfree are much more likely to be
stable and safe, so I'd say, get it.

-ZB-

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From: [email-masked] (Arjan van Oeveren)
Subject: Wanted: True color pix-viewer
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 09:40:00 GMT

Hello,

Since I've gotten a new video-card with a 24-bit DAC, I'd like to know
if there is any software to utilize it, that DAC I mean, with.

I am searching for picture viewers and animation viewers. The more formats
they support the better, but in any case JPG for the picture viewer and
MPEG and/or AVI for the animation viewer.

Since X doesn't allow for more than 256 colors, yet, the programs should be
able to run in textmode with help of svgalib or something. I'm forced to use 
the rather excellent DOS viewers have in the mean time. ( Display and DVPEG,
aren't they portable ? )

In case someone is interested, here's my configuration:

- i486SX-25 with 8 meg ram, no cache :( , isa bus
- Topcolor VGA card with:
        CL-GD5426 chipset
        1 meg ram
- WDC2170 harddrive, nice drive but -slow- due to my @&^#$&$^ I/O-card !
- Linux 1.0.9, Slackware release 1.2 ( If I remeber correctly  )
- XFree86 2.0
- SVGAlib which came with above mentioned Slacware release, I don't know
  the version

This may sound like a not-so-state-of-the-art software configuration, but I'm
rather new to Linux and it's said to be stable. Besides, I don't have a
tape streamer or CD-ROM drive and I'm not plannig to install 50 floppy's
or so every few weeks.

-Any- help or pointers will be appreciated greatly.

Arjan

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 "I am saddened to see our world criple,      Arjan van Oeveren, Netherlands
  at such a young age...." -anonymous-        [email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (J.J. Paijmans)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 5 Oct 1994 12:06:01 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Piet Ruyssinck) writes:
>Nick Kralevich ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: Greetings.
>
>: I'm attempting to find a word processor for Linux.
>stop attempting, install TeX/LaTeX

[some valid remarks on LaTex and the use of- erased]
>
>: I don't think emacs is what I'm looking for.
>That's also an editor.

Mind that emacs IS the other thing you are looking for.
The combination of LaTeX and emacs can't be beaten.

Paai.

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From: [email-masked] (Nisse Husberg)
Subject: Re: How to pronounce Linux??
Date: 5 Oct 1994 09:38:15 GMT

[email-masked] (Stryder) writes:

>[email-masked] (Richard Park) writes:

>>In article <[email-masked]>,
>>S. Joel Katz <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>Is there a correct pronunciation?
>>>     There is a correct pronunciation and an incorrect pronunciation. 
>>>The 'I' is short. Linux almost rhymes with 'shucks'. Or, if you prefer 
>>>'Lih-nuhks'.

>>This is the topic of a religious war.  If you look at older versions of the
>>FAQ, it says the correct pronunciation is the one specified above.  But in
>>more recent versions, it seems to have changed so that the "i" is a long vowel.
>>I pronounce it the second way, but I don't think I would hate you if you
>>pronounced it the first way. 8~)

>It SHOULD be pronounced "linooks".  You know.  Unix backwards.

Nope. The "i" is long and it should be pronounced "leenooks" (I hope -:).
Anyway the "u" should be pronounced like in "you". 

Nisse

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.tech,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: SB_PRO does not sound like 4W/channel..
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 17:34:23 GMT

I have just installed SB_PRO + MITSUMi_double-speed
CRrom drive + 8_ohm  unamplified SONIC speakers on my
Linux box. I hooked up the CD sound to Sb_Pro after
switching the pins.  It works, but it did not live up
to my expectations. It does not sound like 4W per
channel to me.

The manual says that when hooked up to at 8ohm
speakers, the  power drops to 2W/channel. First, I
could not make much sense out of this. It should be
just the opposite!  Second, even then it does not
sound like 2W's either.

I have not adjusted anything with the software, since
the software I use -cdplayer- is a simple command line
tool.  I turn up the volume at the back of the card to
maximum though.

Any insight is appreciated.

ismail

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From: [email-masked] (Geert Uytterhoeven)
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
Subject: Re: Hmmm
Date: 4 Oct 1994 08:56:47 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Cameron Newham) writes:
|> PS: biggest regret in life so far:  having not met Linus in person
|> because out of all of the weeks this year I had to be sick the week
|> he came here.  :(

Just fly to the Linux meeting in Belgium on October the 15th :-)

Greetings,

                                                Geert

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| [email-masked]                               |
| Department of Computer Science, K.U.Leuven, Belgium                |
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