Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #882
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 94 14:13:21 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #882, Volume #2                 Wed, 5 Oct 94 14:13:21 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
  [Q]Linux on PPC a hoax? ([email-masked])
  Re: SB_PRO does not sound like 4W/channel.. (Joseph Stanley (Joe Wisniewski))
  Linux marches on (Robert Ashcroft)
  Domainname and Hostname, and midi sb16, and xfree with stealth (Po-Han Lin)
  Re: looking for X11 CAD package (Sebastian W. Bunka)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Hallvard Paulsen)
  Datebook Recommendations (Raymond Kraft)
  ftp + term suggestions (Raymond Kraft)
  Re: diamond stealth status? (Erik Troan)
  xvnews (J.Tench)
  Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Peter Reilley)
  Re: adding a dumb terminal (Joseph W. Vigneau)

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:00:28 GMT

[email-masked] (Bill Willis) writes:
>
>|>Still, it is not as if style sheets can't be done using major word proces-
>|>sors.  And I'm not sure that TeX is really the right thing to bring up for
>|>average users.  It's just not a word processor in the sense that most of
>|>us use those words.  Any system that separates editing from viewing just
>|>adds another gratuitous layer of indirection to the process of producing
>|>documents.
>
>I guess that we are not talking letters and memos here, but reports, books,
>etc. and this makes a difference. But the bottom line is, no body has ever
>shown me anything that proves WYSIWYG makes for more productive writing...

For me WYSIWYG is critical.  Critical.  Like many scholars in the humanities,
I'm citing documents in languages other than English, and it's terribly irk-
some to have to enter text in these languages using a cumbersome nonnative
notation.  I just use a WYSIWYG editor that lets me change keyboards on the
fly.  One minute I'm touch typing English.  Another I'm entering Arabic or
Hebrew or whatever I need.  And I see what I'm typing as it normally should
be seen, i.e., without all the formatting crap and with foreign characters
in the correct font.

Of course, this is all moot for Linux, since there *is* no multilingual word
processor for Unix (though some stabs are being made in that direction).  It
seems that the programming/engineering/CS community is pretty much a mono-
lingual culture (at least here in the US).

So maybe for them ASCII-based typesetters are fine.

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              [email-masked]
   [email-masked]          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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Subject: [Q]Linux on PPC a hoax?
From: [email-masked]
Date: 5 Oct 94 06:28:47 PDT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Is the Linux for the PPC project a hoax? Promised delivery of kernel was
August when the project was supposedly started, then September in the Linux
FAQ. I know it is difficult to port software written specifically for the
X86 to another platform and it does take time. The silence about this project
leads me to think the software is vaporware. If the project is real then we 
have some real status reports like the Linux ports to other platforms. Thanks

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From: [email-masked] (Joseph Stanley (Joe) Wisniewski)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.tech,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: SB_PRO does not sound like 4W/channel..
Date: 5 Oct 1994 12:40:24 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] () writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> I have just installed SB_PRO + MITSUMi_double-speed
|> CRrom drive + 8_ohm  unamplified SONIC speakers on my
|> Linux box. I hooked up the CD sound to Sb_Pro after
|> switching the pins.  It works, but it did not live up
|> to my expectations. It does not sound like 4W per
|> channel to me.
|> 
|> The manual says that when hooked up to at 8ohm
|> speakers, the  power drops to 2W/channel. First, I
|> could not make much sense out of this. It should be
|> just the opposite!  Second, even then it does not
|> sound like 2W's either.

Two things to keep in mind: If you are stuck with a low power supply
voltage, you lower the speaker impedance gives more power. If your SB_PRO
does 2 watts with 8 ohm speakers, it can do 4 watts with 4 ohm speakers.
Ford uses 3.2 watt speakers so we can get higher power levels in 12 volt
car stereos.

Second: speakers efficiencies vary over a tremendous range. There are
speakers that can produce more sound with 4 watts than other speakers can
produce using 400 watts! I don't know what the efficiency of SONIC
speakers is: are they the type of small speakers with plastic cases that
typicallly come with multimedia bundles? A nice pair of Koss bookshelf 
speakers could probably beat their efficiency by a factor of 10. 
 
|> I have not adjusted anything with the software, since
|> the software I use -cdplayer- is a simple command line
|> tool.  I turn up the volume at the back of the card to
|> maximum though.
|> 
|> Any insight is appreciated.
|> 
|> ismail

-- 
  Joseph S. Wisniewski  |  The views expressed are purely my own, and do not
   Ford Motor Company   |  reflect those of the Ford Motor Company, or any of
    Project Sapphire    |  its affiliates.
[email-masked] |  "any color you want -- as long as it's black"

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Linux marches on
Date: 5 Oct 1994 04:22:30 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

My dad's department (a physical science department at a large Ivy League
university) is about to buy 10 Pentiums running Linux.  ;-)

A postdoc joined their department about a month ago, a long time
Linux hacker.  And he's already infected them to this degree ;-)

RNA

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From: [email-masked] (Po-Han Lin)
Subject: Domainname and Hostname, and midi sb16, and xfree with stealth
Date: 5 Oct 1994 07:39:28 -0700

How can I change the default domainname and hostname from slakware?
It is currently frop.com, and darkstar.  (darkstar.frop.com)
So how do you do it?

Is there any midi players for my sb16asp on commandline, as apposed
to xwindows?  My cdrom (mitsumi) and sb16 asp works when playing
cd's and mod files.  Now are there anyprogram out there that
works with midi and 16/8 bit SB FM?  (command line of course)
The ones i saw, some required the old versions of linux (.99)
While my current kernel is 1.1.45.

Did anyone have any success getting 3.1 Xfree86 to work with
Diamond Stealth VLB?
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From: [email-masked] (Sebastian W. Bunka)
Subject: Re: looking for X11 CAD package
Date: 4 Oct 1994 09:14:13 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

tHuH sYzTum g0D ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Sorry if this is the wrong place for this, but...  I'm looking for an X11
: AutoCAD-esque package for linux.  I don't need nearly as many features as 
: ACAD, but 3-d drafting with maybe some color or textures would be really nice.
: I remember somewhere seeing a posting that there was a german package that had
: not been translated to english; this would be fine, but I don't remember the
: name and have lost the posting of the original announcement.  If anybody could
: point me in the right direction to sources, I'd really appreciate it.  Thanks.

: Joe
It's name is siscad-p 1.3, and an english version is planned.
However it is "only" 2-D; but it looks great.
get it from:

Begin2
Title        = SISCAD-P
Version      = 1.3-3
Desc1        = SISCAD-P is a professional parametric 2D-CAD system running on several
Desc2        = UNIX workstations and available as shareware for Linux. Today there is only a
Desc3        = German version of SISCAD-P available. Unfortunately we can not yet provide
Desc4        = a SISCAD-P version in any foreign language but we are already working on an
Desc5        = English version. The release date for this version is not certain yet. 
Author       = Coproduction of programmers at Staedtler Mars GmbH & Co/Germany  
AuthorEmail  = [email-masked]
Maintainer   = [email-masked]
MaintEmail   = [email-masked]
Site1        = ftp.Germany.EU.net
Path1        = pub/comp/i386/Linux/Local.EUnet/Applications/Graphics
File1        = siscadp1.3-3.tar.gz
FileSize1    = 4135864
Site2        = sunsite.unc.edu
Path2        = /pub/linux/X11/xapps/graphics
File2        = siscadp1.3-3.tar.gz
FileSize2    = 4135864
Required1    = Xwindows running under Linux. 8 MB of memory, 16 MB or more
Required2    = recommended. Slackware Linux 0.19PL14 and 0.19PL15 others not
Required3    = tryed. Fvwm or Mwm window manager recommended . German speaking user 
Required4    = required; sorry for this inconvenience.
CopyPolicy1  = Copyright by Staedtler Mars GmbH & Co - SIS 
CopyPolicy2  = Free distributable binaries as Shareware for Linux. 
Keywords     = CAD, CAD/CAM, drawing, parametric
Comment1     = For people which do not have access to the internet, SISCAD-P
Comment2     = for Linux is available on disks from Computer Solutions Software GmbH, 
Comment3     = Postfach 1180, D-85561 Grafing, Tel. 08092/5018, FAX 08092/31727 
Comment4     = As commercial product on other UNIX-flavors available from Staedtler. 
Entered      = 15MAR94
EnteredBy    = Helmrich Streitmatter
CheckedEmail = [email-masked]
End

Cheers, Sebastian
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+43-1-71155260           +43-1-7149110
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From: [email-masked] (Hallvard Paulsen)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 5 Oct 1994 14:39:15 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Hallvard Paulsen)

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz) writes:
|> For me WYSIWYG is critical.  Critical.  Like many scholars in the humanities,
|> I'm citing documents in languages other than English, and it's terribly irk-
|> some to have to enter text in these languages using a cumbersome nonnative
|> notation.  I just use a WYSIWYG editor that lets me change keyboards on the
|> fly.  One minute I'm touch typing English.  Another I'm entering Arabic or
|> Hebrew or whatever I need.  And I see what I'm typing as it normally should
|> be seen, i.e., without all the formatting crap and with foreign characters
|> in the correct font.

Then make sure you realy have WYSIWYG. That is not allways the case with
MS-DOS/windows SW. Here in Norway we only have 6 special characters not
found in english (������) but still after more than 10 years with
personal computers it is amassing how often you see the japanese yen
character in stead of the norwegian � {\o}. This happens in the printing
process. (Also I've found that not all greek characters are found in
all printer fonts.)

Personally I prefer WYWIWYG (what you write is what you get) i.e. LaTeX

Hallvard Paulsen

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From: [email-masked] (Raymond Kraft)
Subject: Datebook Recommendations
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:49:15 GMT

Hello,

Does anyone have any recommendations on a datebook that will run on a system 
that does not have Motif?  I've tried "plan", but it needs Motif, and
the precompiled version seems to exhibit a few quirks on my system.  Thanks
in advance for any suggestions.

                                        -Ray Kraft
                                         Seattle, Washington
                                         [email-masked]

-- 
                        
                                         -Ray Kraft
                                          Seattle, Washington
                                          [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Raymond Kraft)
Subject: ftp + term suggestions
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:54:17 GMT

Hello,

Does anyone know if there is a version of ftp that works with term?
I've got xftp-2.2.athena+term, but I'm curious if there is anything
else available.  Thanks in advance.

                                        --Ray Kraft
                                          Seattle, Washington
                                          [email-masked]
                
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                                         -Ray Kraft
                                          Seattle, Washington
                                          [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Erik Troan)
Subject: Re: diamond stealth status?
Date: 5 Oct 1994 14:51:20 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Dan Pop <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In <[email-masked]> Karl Rudnick <[email-masked]> writes:
>
>I'm pretty sure you can get a cheaper supported card than a commercial
>X server. And I've never heard of commercial servers for Linux. I guess
>nobody dared to face the competition of XFree86 :-)
>

There's something called Accelerated X, or Xcelerator or something like
that for many 80x86 platforms (including linux) for about $199. If
you look in the XFree86 P9000 documentation there's a reference to it,
and they've been advertising in Linux Journal.

Erik

-- 
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"Like a fool I let dreams become great expectations" - Chess

        Erik Troan = [email-masked] = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt

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From: [email-masked] (J.Tench)
Subject: xvnews
Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:07:03 +0100

Dear all
        Does any one know where I can get hold of a copy of the source for xvnews.
Jim T.
-- 

"Not only fighting the cause of the down trodden student, 
                                 but a damned good looking bloke aswell"

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From: [email-masked] (Peter Reilley)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:53:04 GMT

[email-masked] (Paul Bash) writes:

$>In article <[email-masked]>,
$>Jeff Kesselman <[email-masked]> wrote:

$>The INT 13 BIOS on the Adaptec provides the basic support DOS needs for the 
$>first two drives. Beyond that _DOS_ needs additional driver support not 
$>supplied with the OS. Perhaps that is what you are thinking. I believe, nay 
$>I'm positive, that this has no bearing on the problem. Linux has all the 
$>additional support necessary right out of the box (providing you are using 
$>the SCSI kernel) and Linux has _excellent_ support for the 1542B.

$>I suspect that this has more to do with the master boot record or the partition
$>table not being to the liking of the fdisk used in Yggdrasil. It is probably 
$>checking some form of signature in the MBR that doesn't match up to what it
$>expects. The OS/2 boot manager is active on this drive and that might be 
$>confusing things. The OS/2 boot manager, though, is nothing new to Linux
$>users. There are notes in various README's that tell how to have Boot
$>Manager and LILO co-exist on the same disk. You install boot manager first,
$>then you don't allow LILO to take over the MBR during the Linux install. 
$>This is dirt simple and has worked for a _long_ time. 

$>The fdisk used in Slackware sees nothing wrong with the disk. Perhaps it is 
$>different from the one used by Yggdrasil. I can't imagine why but I guess its a
$>possibility. The Yggdrasil fdisk is obviously less well tested than 
$>Slackware's if it is in fact the culprit.

        I had a problem with the Yggdrasil install during partitioning.
It decided that my freshly formatted SCSI disk had a partition table.
The table appeared corrupted as displayed but I could not fix it.
I attempted to use DOS fdisk.   It saw a partition table as well, but
it displayed as obvioulsy corrupted data.   I found a DOS partition utility
on Simtel that could write a valid table.   Then linux installed and
partitioned correctly.

        The formatting of SCSI disks is handled entirely by the drive.
The controller only issues a format command and waits for completion.
The data pattern remaining after format will be different on different
drives.   Some of these patterns can be confused with a partition table.
The linux partition utility needs to have the ability to initialize
a partition table on command from the user.   There is obviously some
danger in this but it is the only way to handle the case of certain
format patterns as well as corrupted partition tables.   The DOS fdisk
needs it too.

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                  "Knocked while you were out"
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From: [email-masked] (Joseph W. Vigneau)
Subject: Re: adding a dumb terminal
Date: 5 Oct 1994 17:24:34 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Ka-pui Ko <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>I am thinking of adding a dumb terminal to my machine that is
>running Linux. I have an old 286 machine with serial port, with
>monitor, with keyborad. 
>
>Is that any additional hardware that I need to get? How do
>I config the Linux to recognize that a dumb terminal exits?

On the 286, you'll need a terminal program (Qmodem, Telix, etc...)
Get a null-modem cable to connect the machines.

In your /etc/inittab, create or uncomment a line that says

s1:45:respawn:/sbin/agetty 19200 ttyS1
                           ^^^^^ ^^^^^
                            (1)    (2)

1)  Change to the highest speed you can reliably receive                          |
2)  Change to which serial port you want to hang the 286 off of.

Then do an init 4 or init 5 (or just reboot), and you should get a login
prompt on the terminal.
              
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    <a href="http://www.wpi.edu:8080/~joev"> Click Here! </a>

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