Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #886
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #886, Volume #2                 Thu, 6 Oct 94 08:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: How to pronounce Linux?? (David Holland)
  find on my cd-rom doesn't work, but find on dos does (Marty Leisner 25733)
  Re: Split this group! (.help) (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
  Re: DOSEMU/Linux 1.1.51 (Marty Leisner 25733)
  Re: find on my cd-rom doesn't work, but find on dos does (Marty Leisner 25733)
  Re: Lilo booting last booted OS. (Bruno Van Wilder)
  Re: REQ: MIDI-sequencer for Linux (Leung Leung)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Alex  Dumitru)
  Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Jeff Kesselman)
  Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Jeff Kesselman)
  Re: Cirrus Logic 5428 ! (G. E. Terry)
  Re: where to get the texbook (CVL staff member Nate Sammons)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Brad Matthew Garcia)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)

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Subject: Re: How to pronounce Linux??
From: [email-masked] (David Holland)
Date: 1 Oct 94 14:03:30

[email-masked]'s message of 28 Sep 1994 11:57:51 -0400 said:

 >      There is a correct pronunciation and an incorrect pronunciation. 
 > The 'I' is short. Linux almost rhymes with 'shucks'. Or, if you prefer 
 > 'Lih-nuhks'.

Wrong. The correct pronunciation can be gotten in .au form from
Linus's ftp site. 

What you cite is not it.

--
   - David A. Holland          | -- "Do you have a moment?"   -- "Yes.
     [email-masked] | Unfortunately, it's a moment of inertia."

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From: leisner@batman (Marty Leisner 25733)
Subject: find on my cd-rom doesn't work, but find on dos does
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:33:39 GMT

This is interesting...

I have Walnut Creeks simtel20 CD...
It non-rockridge.

find . on linux just list the files in the current directory and nothing
more...

ls -lR recurses down.

find on Ms-Dos (djgcc find) works fine.

?????

--
marty
[email-masked]  
Member of the League for Programming Freedom
We don't actually do anything new in computing, we just rename the old stuff.
                                Grace Murray Hopper, who OOed in 1944

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From: [email-masked] (Wolfgang Schelongowski)
Subject: Re: Split this group! (.help)
Date: 5 Oct 1994 21:45:57 +0100

In <[email-masked]>,
 [email-masked] (Byron A Jeff) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Mr D R Barlow <[email-masked]> wrote:
>-In article <[email-masked]>,
>-      [email-masked] (Ian T. Zimmerman) writes:
>->
>->Folks, this newsgroup can net ~400 messages a day! That's just TOO 
>->f#!@$#ing MANY! I vote will all my extremities to split.
>-
>-Into what?  Maybe we could split into
>-comp.os.linux.help.havereadthefaq
>-comp.os.linux.help.lazy
>-comp.os.linux.help.hey-isnt-doom-great
...
>-Seriously.  What do you suggest?
...
> c.o.l.help is for questions, yet all the other
>groups have a bunch of questions posted into them.

Worse. Some people post the same article (not: crosspost !) in several
c.o.l-group...

>The bottom line is that we're being overwhelmed by loads of information:
>mostly FAQs, dozens of responses to the same question, and posts in
>inappropriate places. New groups will not solve the problem because they'll
>simply provide "new clean cultures for bacteria to grow".

>The solution in my opinion is three-fold:

[details bobbitted]

>This is an instance where information overload is clogging up the ability to
>transfer relavent information back in forth in a resonable manner.

>Comments?

Your implicit assumption and that of most other posters in the preceding
thread is that such newsgroups must be under the Big7 i.e. comp.*. 

Drop that assumption and create _regional_ groups. There are two
that I know of, i.e. aus.computers.linux and de.comp.os.linux. I don't
get the former one except via crosspostings, but I do read the latter
one. 

de.c.o.l is a German _language_ newsgroup, so the potential audience
and the number of postings is much smaller than in the Big7, albeit
growing. As the average number of jerks per million people is sort
of a global constant, Usenet/Internet access does cost about three
times as in the USA, and the telephone rates are high and growing
due to privatization, the absolute number of clueless postings is 
smaller, which has consequences for the group culture. 

So create groups like {uk,sbay,ne,whatever}.comp.os.linux and make these 
regional groups known by whatever legal means. Additional benefit is 
that there is a larger chance that people may reply not only with advice, 
but also by "if you have further questions, phone me on (local call)".
Due to telephone rates, such an offer from (say) ...gatech.edu or 
...ac.uk would be meaningless for me in .de, and probably vice versa.

It's quite a different story (for me :-) if the telephone number starts
with 0049-23...

Mind the .sig ;-)
-- 
Wolfgang Schelongowski  [email-masked]

Zusammengefasst: Es geht, jeder weiss wie, nur ich darf es nicht sagen.
  -- [email-masked] (Dirk Hohndel) in de.comp.os.linux ueber Diamond

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From: leisner@batman (Marty Leisner 25733)
Subject: Re: DOSEMU/Linux 1.1.51
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:04:43 GMT

Oz Dror ([email-masked]) wrote:
: But there is at least one problem. Only root can run it. I check permission
: of dos it seems OK.

:    9 -rwsr-sr-x   1 root     root         9079 Oct  3 19:57 /usr/bin/dos

: when a user type dos no error is printed, but also dos is not entered.

I'm running pre22.

I never saw a good discussion on the setuid problems...

In an xterm window, I can run fine as non-root...

In a virtual console, it appears I have to be setuid (because I write directly to the
video card??)

--
marty
[email-masked]  
Member of the League for Programming Freedom
I don't make many mistakes, but when I make one, its a beaut
                                Fiorello LaGuardia

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From: leisner@batman (Marty Leisner 25733)
Subject: Re: find on my cd-rom doesn't work, but find on dos does
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:08:19 GMT

Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention...

I ran find under strace...

I saw a bunch of readdir() for each entry in the CD -- and find treated
each as a file
(I just ran find . 
with no arguments in /cdrom)

Isn't readdir a user library call -- on Linux is a system call?

Its a number 3...

--
marty
[email-masked]  
Member of the League for Programming Freedom
Object techonology is to software what microprocessors are to
hardware.
                Phillipe Kahn

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From: [email-masked] (Bruno Van Wilder)
Subject: Re: Lilo booting last booted OS.
Date: 5 Oct 1994 08:10:44 GMT

[email-masked] wrote:
: Hi all,

: I would like to know if it is possible that Lilo will boot the last booted
: OS. E.g. if I boot Linux then Lilo will keep on booting linux 'till I select
: another OS (MS-Dos). I liked this feature in the SLS distribution (0.99.X),
: but it is gone in the slackware distribution.

I do not think it is possible yet, but it is a good idea indeed.

Greetings,
Bruno Van Wilder

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,aus.computers.linux
From: [email-masked] (Leung Leung)
Subject: Re: REQ: MIDI-sequencer for Linux
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 02:27:24 GMT

Jay Vaughan ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Tschirley_Rene) says:
: >
: >Very important for making my decision is the existance of a
: >(semi)professional MIDI-sequencer like Sibelius 7 (Acorn Archimedes),
: >Bars & Pipes (Commodore Amiga) or anything similar to these ones known
: >on Atari or Apple Macintosh.
: >
: 
: Interesting point.  Would anyone care to port ROSE to Linux?  It's an
: SGI-based sequencer, available in source code from at 
: ftp.maths.bath.ac.uk:/pub/dream/ROSE.ALPHA.tar.gz and ROSE.sources.tar.gz.
: 
: I've used it on my Indy, and it's quite a nice package... would be cool
: to see this running on a Linux box...
: 

I cannot play the .mid file in Indy. I got some error message like "Segmentatio
violation ..." or the prog hangs when I play the file. Which /dev/???? device
should I use ? /dev/midi ????

ll

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Alex  Dumitru)
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:29:32 GMT

Jesus Monroy Jr ([email-masked]) wrote:
[real question deleted]
:       If you want to go by reported bugs, then it difficult 
:       to give a clear answer.   As is know in the industry,
:       what maybe a bug to one person is a bug to another.
:       And as "bugs" go, system stability is a far more important
:       factor.

So, if i think it's a bug, and another person thinks it's a bug, then
it is definitely a bug??? And if I remember correctly, you lost out
in that system stability discussion a while back. (yeah. you got out
of it, by picking on sentence syntax, and word definitions!) Now
*you* talk about system stability... Jesus... (I can just hear it "What?")

[stuff about how great Linux is, and the ton of software it runs deleted]

:       FreeBSD is better only in terms of getting the latest
:       versions of applications to run on it.

You just said praised Linux, and now you say it is
no good at running the latest apps. Thick or what?

:   In other words, if I want the latest version of Mosaic to run in house,
:       I am forced to used FreeBSD because the latest version
:       of X-windows no longer supports 386bsd release 0.1.

No. You're not *forced* to run FreeBSD. You can run linux. And 386bsd 0.1
is not supported for a good reason.

There's a thought. JMJr running Linux, and posting endless moose droppings
on the comp.os.linux.* hierarchy... Jesus... ("What?")

cheers
alex

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 19:26:06 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Paul Bash <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Jeff Kesselman <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>>>     Funny, Slackware, OS/2 and DOS (all installed on the same disk) don't 
>>>     see any problems. I have no other option except skipping the disk 
>>>     partition phase of the install.
>>
>>I'm honestly not sure on this one, but I seem to recalll there being a 
>>patch bandied about thats needed for this particular controlelr to run 
>>two drives?? (Someone with more experience with Adpatecs feel free to jump 
>>in.)
>
>Linux has no problem with this host adapter. I've been running Slackware on 
>it for close to a year now. I've run SVR4, OS/2 and DOS on it for years before
(lots more deleted)
Lots of good info, thank you, Paul.  If you REALLY want to help out, it 
might not be a bad idea to send that info to Yygdrasil, so future users 
of your card or setup don't have the problem.  I got rid of my OS/2 when 
I installed Linux, and i use LILO, so if there IS a problem there I never 
would have seen.  I doubt fdisk is th issue, for the reasons you already 
mentioend (the basic fdisk is the same as the one used by everyone else.  
There is a new 'cfdisk' in the Fall94 release, but you can always fall 
back to teh old one...)

>>
>>By the way, the hoops you have to jump through to 'get rid of that damn 
>>cd-rom' are:
>>      umount /dev/system_cd
>>And it all goes away.
>>
>
>Oh, don't start getting smug now, Jeff. We were doing so well and now you 
>have to go and make and _effort_ to piss me off. You don't have a clue 
>of what you are talking about here, but you continue to act like you do,
>inserting foot into mouth in the process. Sad.

Oh c'mon Pual. Now YOU'RE acting smug.  You just made a mistake about the 
Xinit and I let it go by, can't you be as big?

In case you are interetsed, what happend here was that my fingers cominbed
    umount /system_cd
with
    umount /dev/sony_cd
Obviously, either will work as long as /dev/sony_cd is in the mount table.
(and like me, you are using a sony drive.)
As a longtime system admin, you DID know THIS, right??  :)
[God, admin wars. I don't BELIEVE we've sunk this low...]
'Nuff said?

>
>Ok, now that we've got the command straight, have you actually tried this? 
>
Yes. It works GREAT!  Maybe my system is blessed, but WITh it mounted I 
get all the extra stuff, with the associated delays for CD-ROm based 
searches before it decides it can't find it.  Without it mounted, it just 
doesn't find all this stuff, and searches much faster.  I use both modes 
dependign on what i am trying to accomplish.

>It doesn't just "all goes away". Jesus, haven't you read this thread yet? More 

Sure, I've read it alot.  But I haven't actually heard one person before 
you say that when they unmounetd the drive they still had a problem.  
All the stuff I've read has had to do with situations with the drive 
mounted.  (If anyone out there DOES have experiences different then 
mine when they umoutn the drive PLEASE share them!)

>install from the CD-ROM, you _still_ have symbolic links all over the file 
>system that point at directories under /system_cd. 

Right, but they don't point to anything and don't do anything.  No che 
problema.  At least thats how MY system acts... 

>You can't just remove the 
>CD-ROM without removing all the links that point to it. Those links, most 
>likely, have to be replaced by the CD-ROM files they are pointing to else you 
>don't have a clean install. You might get away with running without the 
>CD-ROM for awhile, but that's like saying you can walk down the middle of 
>the freeway at 5pm and not get hit by a car. 

Funny, my freeway has been empty and trouble free for 3 weeks of hard 
midnight and weekend development now.  Are you just speculating Paul, or 
do you have any hard info to back this up?  My experience says very 
different from your speculation...

>I ask you again, have you actually tried this? For more than a couple of 
>days? While exercising all those neat packages you installed? 

Yes, see above.

>Since 
>you've commented elsewhere that you are quite happily running from the 
>CD-ROM without installing everything on your PC, I doubt it. 

Wrong, try READING my posts.  I am happily runnign with the stuff I NEED 
installed.  I occasionalyl inster the CD-ROm to try out a NEW package 
before installign it.  Thats about it. My LILO doesn't even automaticly 
moun the cd-rom.

>
>Here's an extreme, but highly plausible, illustration of the problem: what 
>if I want to access the QRZ Ham Radio CD-ROM but can't because the system 
>needs the Yggdrasil CD-ROM mounted to run properly? Well, I guess I just 
>can't, right? Sounds like a classic Catch-22. Sure, I could buy a second 
>CD-ROM drive just for this application, but then my $35 "Plug and Play" has 
>become a $335 "Plug and PAY" system. Yggdrasil just got a whole lot more
>expensive.

Huh? Thsi seems tangential to reality at best, Paul, but maybe I'm just 
not following you.  YOU'RE the one who claims the CD-ROM must stay 
installed, not me.

>
>comments around as if you do, you're just making yourself look silly.

Comments like these  invite hoof in mouth desiese, my friend...  Ithink 
you've been staring in the mirror a bit too long...

>
>Like I said, you need to do some homework. Here's your first lesson: get a 
>300MB+ disk and, using the control panel, install everything from the CD-ROM 
>onto your disk. Now issue the following commands:

I have a 300+ Mb disk.  WHY should I wan to install all this crap when 
what I have works great?

>       
>     cd /
>     umount /system_cd
>     find / -type l -ls | grep system_cd               
>
>You should see more than a couple /system_cd symbolic links scroll by on your 
>screen. At least they do for me as that's how _I_ discovered the problem in the 
>first place. 

>Try to access one of those files via the symbolic link.
>BINGO! It fails, doesn't it? Is a light coming on somewhere, Jeff?

Yes, a light just came on that you are lookign at something TOTALLY 
different from what we are talkign about.  You just decided you WANT to 
try to access stuff you havent installed, with the CD-ROM unmounted.

If you find a system that can do this PLEASE let me know.  Myself, i 
instaleld everything i want to use on my HD on my HD, and mount my CD-ROm 
only when I want to see something that I didn't put on my HD.  When i 
DON'T want to do that, i remove the CD-ROM and the linksc ause me zero 
hassle.

What are you asking for, the ESP operating system???

(I';m sorry, but this is a VERY silly point and TOTALLy tangential to the 
issue of whether links on your HD that point to an unmounted CD-ROm are 
detrimental.)

>
>If the links are there, then you don't have a CD-ROM-less install.

:: sigh:: see all the above.  ONCE more, what you have is a partial 
install of wehatever you wanted on the HD with access to the rest with 
just a mount offo f the cd.  This is exactly what I wanted.  if its not 
what you wanted, then you obviously bought the wrong disc.  if you feel 
this was falsely advertised, then CALL them and complain!

>You have an accident waiting to happen. It doesn't matter if you are a power

HOW?  You've made this assertion many times but have yet to point out 1 
harm from these links.  Pleas explain or drop the point.
>programs are going to blow up and the target Yggdrasil user you defined 
>earlier isn't going to have a clue as to what is happening.

Again, nothign random lows up on my system. ALL the files neede for the 
stuff I installed on the HD are on the HD. ALL the files forstuff on the 
CD are on the CD.  Nothign blows up becuase either:
a) The program is on the HD, and so are its files
or
b) The program is still on the CD alogn with its files, and thus CANNOT 
be accessed unless said CD is mounted.

Where's the beef?  I honestly think you are inferring problems from a lack 
of understanding as to how the system works.

>
>installs the system. I've personally been through the 2 page Fall 94 errata 
>5 or 6 times (each time I've had to re-install the CD-ROM to try and get a 
>clean system). I hope I never see it again. If Yggdrasil intends a CD-ROM-less 
>installation option, they have to test it, dammit! It doesn't look like they 
>did and that's sloppy.

It sounds to me like you have a specific hardware problem.  Obviously it 
is difficult to test a Linuyx distribution on all hardware supported.  I 
ha a specific hardware problem (the sony cd bug).  I called them and 
within a week they had the patch available.  Did you call them with your 
problem?

>
>Slackware doesn't have these kind of problems (although it has had _some_ 
>problems). 

No, it has other problems as evidenced by help messages. Just because 
Slackware runs better on your aprticualr hardware does nto contitute a 
full QA test, my friend.

>(From My Personal Experience), the great majority of users will find it 
>satisfying much longer than they would the Yggdrasil CD-ROM.

And from my personal experiuence, the yygdrasil is a delight, and the 
company is VERY responsive to problems. Shows you how much individual 
personal experience differs, huh???

>
>Thus, we come full circle to my original comments that you jumped on several
>posts ago thereby fueling this fire. Yggdrasil is "cute" but it isn't for
>serious use. Jan experienced some of the same problems I did and asked if a 
>better Linux CD exists. Without going into 20,000 words (like I've had to with
>you) I told him what I thought. Do you see what I mean now, Jeff? I hope so, 
>but I kind of doubt it.

I think, perhapse, that was indeed what you intended and i commend you.  
I aslo think your heat on thsi issue and your general assumption 
(repeated over and over in this discussion) that your persdonal 
experience was a generally applicable one.  Plus your frustration over 
soem issues leading you to not fully explore others, such as  the CD-ROM 
links issue, got the best of you and slanted your post badly.

"I must confess, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the 
rest..."
                                        Paul Simon, The Boxer

Words to consider carefully whenever you find yourself taking your own 
opinions too seriously. 

>You just couldn't resist getting that last little dig in, eh? That's beneath
>you, Jeff ;-)
>

Lets just agree to stop taking offense at anything the other believs shall
we, and stick to points?  I really thin kwe've ehausted this issue,
anyway. 

Jeff Kesselman

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 19:32:53 GMT

Correct me if I am wrong, but this sounds like summer94, yes?
I ask because the install changed a GREAT dall in Fall94.  i had some 
misgivings abotu the sumemr version myself.  The fall version acts more 
liek my old SCO installer in that it installs a base 10 meg system and 
then its up to you.  They still provide the X based installer if you want 
it, but X doesnt install on the HD automatically.  They also provide a 
simpel command line install_component command that lets you install 
things major package at a time.

I like this much better then the old 4-install-choices system they sued 
to have and feel it works alot smoother (I don't use X either ;)  )

If you have any interest in it, since this is free-ware, you coudl borrow 
a friends and have a look at it.  On the other hand, if you are happy 
with your Slackware, why switch?

Jeff Kesselman

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From: [email-masked] (G. E. Terry)
Subject: Re: Cirrus Logic 5428 !
Date: 5 Oct 1994 09:55:27 GMT

Liu Chen ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Dragon Ball Z ([email-masked]) wrote:
: ->  My computer is using Cirrus Logic 5428 Display Card!

: ->  Anyone out there knows how to set the "Xconfig" file in Linux in order to execute Xwindows successfully?

Here are the relevant lines of my Xconfig for CL-GD5428.
#
RGBPath         "/usr/X386/lib/X11/rgb"

#
# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together),
# as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath
# command (or a combination of both methods)
#

FontPath        "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath        "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
FontPath        "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
FontPAth        "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"

#
# Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is 
# received.  This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may
# provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging
#
# NoTrapSignals

# **********************************************************************
# Input devices
# **********************************************************************

#
# Enable this to use the XQUEUE driver for keyboard and mouse handling
# under System V.  This may go away in the future.
#
# Note - If you use XQUEUE, you must comment out the keyboard and
#        mouse definitions.
#

#
# Keyboard and various keyboard-related parameters
#
Keyboard
#  AutoRepeat 500 5
  ServerNumLock
#  Xleds      1 2 3
#  DontZap
#
# To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift, 
# RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock:
# 
#  LeftAlt     Meta
#  RightAlt    ModeShift
#  RightCtl    Compose
#  ScrollLock  ModeLock

#
# Mouse definition and related parameters
#
# Logitech      "/dev/tty00"
#  BaudRate     9600
#  SampleRate   150
microsoft "/dev/mouse" 
BaudRate 1200
Emulate3Buttons
# **********************************************************************
# Graphics drivers
# **********************************************************************
#
# For boards with a programmable clock generator, you use a line like:
#
# Clocks "icd2061a"
# Then the Modes line may contain any mode the Monitor section has
# 
vga256
videoram 1024
#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Video Card Definition
# Video Card ID 22
# Video Card Name:      Cirrus 5426 (e.g. Diamond SpeedStar Pro)
#                       0
# Contributed By:       Chris Metcalf <[email-masked]>
# Last Change:          7-22-93

Clocks 25.23 28.32 41.16 36.08 31.50 39.99 45.08 49.87 64.98 72.16 75.00 80.01
Modes  "640x480" "640x480" "800x600" "800x600" "800x600" "1024x768i" "1024x768i"

#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Monitor Definition
# Monitor ID            1
# Monitor Name:         VESA-Generic Modes - TRY THESE FIRST!!!
# Contributed By:       David Wexelblat <[email-masked]]
# Last Change:          03-03-94
ModeDB
"640x480" 25 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525     
"640x480" 31 640 664 704 832 480 489 492 520     
"800x600" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625     
"800x600" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628     
"800x600" 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666     
"1024x768i" 44 1024 1040 1216 1264 768 768 778 819   Interlace
"1024x768i" 45 1024 1040 1216 1264 768 768 778 819   Interlace

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From: [email-masked] (CVL staff member Nate Sammons)
Subject: Re: where to get the texbook
Date: 5 Oct 1994 18:57:03 GMT

The book from O'Reilley is good for configuring Tex, but it doesn't 
cover hardly _any_ issues in using TeX (like how to do left and
right justification)

-nate

--
                   Nate Sammons <[email-masked]>
        System Administrator - CSU Computer Visualization Laboratory

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From: [email-masked] (Brad Matthew Garcia)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 6 Oct 1994 11:37:54 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (G. E. Terry) writes:
|> RYAN  Colin Patrick ([email-masked]) wrote:
|> : While responding to an add inteh local paper for a $99 486 upgrade it came
|> : to light that this upgrade was a quote "486/66 Mhz" which was a "faster chip and less expensive than the i486DX2-66". This propted my query on what the hell
|> : this chip was and the response was AMD. I was not aware of this chip. I was
|> : under the impression that all the 66's 75's 100's etc (non-Pentium) were 
|> : overclocked 33 Mhz chips. Does a 'real' 66 Mhz chip exist? If so (and I dont'
|> : think so" do traditional mother boards ( ie that could handle a DX2) support
|> : this chip. And Finally, if this is true is it compatble and reliable.
|> 
|> This is just an clock doubled 33. I would say it might have been an error
|> in the ad. I have one of these chips. The story I read was that Advanced
|> Micro Devices bought the masks for the 80286 from Intel a few years back.
|> They decide to try to test the copywrite & patent laws by cloning the
|> 386 & 486 chips. Well they were very successful and Intel sued. In the
|> following trial, Intel LOST. I hear it was due to the naming system that
|> they used. It made the chips generic in the eyes of the court. That is why
|> there is no 80586, and we have the Pentium. 
|> 
|> As far as reliability, the AMD 486DX2/66 is an exact duplicate of Intel's 
|> chip, or so I read in PC Magazine. And at an average of 100 to 150 dollars
|> less than Intel, I am a buyer!

I heard that AMD's version is more reliable than Intel's, and that many
people have overclocked it to 80 MHz with no problems.  There was even
a rumor going around that AMD would start to sell them as 486DX2-80's.
If you see an AMD 486DX2-80 system for sale, I guess the rumor is true.
-- 
Brad M. Garcia                   Carnegie Mellon University 
   ____/  ____/  ____/ Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
  __/    /      __/   "The only Engineering department in the world where
_____/ _____/ _____/   the secretaries have the most powerful computers."

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From: [email-masked] (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: 5 Oct 1994 04:05:23 -0600

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
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