Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #892
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 94 01:13:37 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #892, Volume #2                 Fri, 7 Oct 94 01:13:37 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Jim Graham)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Jim Graham)
  Re: [Q] WD 1Gig HD + EIDE w/ Linux (Dougal Campbell)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (G. E. Terry)
  Re: Text Editor for (La)TeX (was Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?) (David Fox)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (David Fox)
  Re: FVWM sound manager? (Daniel Suman)
  Re: POVRAY-linux with pentium support (Baba Buehler)
  Re: Linux mentioned in PC Week (Alan Cox)
  Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Andy Bailey)
  Re: DataBase Programs for Linux (Gottfried Hamm)

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From: [email-masked] (Jim Graham)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:49:04 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>
[email-masked] (Spencer PriceNash) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Michael_Nelson <[email-masked]> wrote:

>>Well, there _is_ an intermediate step: LaTeX.  It seems to me to be
>>fairly easy to use, compared to TeX.

>This is a fun thread.

Indeed.  Frankly, *IMHO*, plain TeX is far, far easier than LaTeX.  But
then, I know how to use macros, and I do use them quite a bit.  I don't
have very many typesetting commands in most TeX docs (except those that
get really strange...but those would be just as bad with LaTeX, too).

I always found LaTeX to be too limiting---it took away things I was used
to (from plain TeX), and it never seemed to give anything back.
Fortunately, in the TeX vs LaTeX battle, it's all a matter of personal
preference---you use the one that *YOU* like (and if a publisher won't
take the one you like, IMHO, you go to another publisher, as there are
usually plenty of them around who will!).

At work, most of the docs for the project I'm on are done with FrameMaker.
I modified my existing (plain) TeX macros to fit the format used for all
of our documentation (took about 3 minutes), and the system/network admin
docs are written in TeX.  The tech writers (who do all the other docs) are
considering TeX.....  Well, if they do, the macros are ready for 'em!  :-)

I would re-direct followups to comp.text.tex, but this is a subject
that, on that newsgroup, pre-dates the age of the dinosaurs, so I
think I'll spare my fellow comp.text.tex readers the ``trouble'' of
adding another KILL-file entry.

Later,
   --jim

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Jim Graham)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 00:06:26 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked]
writes:

[ re-formatted to less than 80 columns per line ... sorry, but I normally
only set my Xterm windows to 80 columns, and when I'm on a plain virtual
console, it's always 80 columns. ]

> It may be useful to buy a book on it to get the most out of it, but
> seeing as I once saw the retail value of TeX as "well over 1000 pounds"
> and it's PD (or GPL... not too sure) I'm sure you can shell out for one.

TeX isn't either of the above.  It isn't GPL software by any stretch of
the imagination.  It also isn't public domain.  It is freeware, and it
is also copyrighted software.  Donald Knuth (creator of TeX/METAFONT)
holds the copyright.  Basically, his intention is to maintain control
over what is called TeX and METAFONT, not to limit distribution.

TeX is freely available for anonymous ftp.  For information on where you
can get a copy, look in either the FAQ or FAQ Supplement for comp.text.tex
(I never can remember which one has this info!) for details on the nearest
CTAN site.

There are, of course, ways that you can buy TeX, and spend a fortune doing
so, but there isn't any requirement that you do so (unless it's a local
one, i.e., company policy against anything that doesn't cost at least a
small fortune...and I used to work for a company with a policy very much
along those lines, so if that's the case, I feel sorry for you).

If you want TeX for UNIX, it's easy---get the WEB source and web2c, and
you're set.  If you want TeX for msdog, you're still in good shape---get
emTeX, read the docs, re-read the docs, and install (while reading the
docs yet again).  As I recall (and it's been a *LONG* time), emTeX was a
bit rough to install compared to TeX on UNIX (which is a breeze, if you
just follow instructions).

Oh well, it's time to get on with other things....  Later,
   --jim

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From: [email-masked] (Dougal Campbell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: [Q] WD 1Gig HD + EIDE w/ Linux
Date: 4 Oct 1994 21:17:07 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>, Glenn Jayaputera said something like:
> Hi.. I am planning to install Slackware 2.0 Distribution on a machine w/ 
> EIDE and 1Gig WD hard-drive.  Is there anything I have to watch-out in 
> regards to 1024 cylinder limitation issue??
> TIA

There's a 'big IDE HOWTO' on ftp.iquest.com that's quite helpful.

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From: [email-masked] (G. E. Terry)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 5 Oct 1994 23:19:38 GMT

RYAN  Colin Patrick ([email-masked]) wrote:
: While responding to an add inteh local paper for a $99 486 upgrade it came
: to light that this upgrade was a quote "486/66 Mhz" which was a "faster chip and less expensive than the i486DX2-66". This propted my query on what the hell
: this chip was and the response was AMD. I was not aware of this chip. I was
: under the impression that all the 66's 75's 100's etc (non-Pentium) were 
: overclocked 33 Mhz chips. Does a 'real' 66 Mhz chip exist? If so (and I dont'
: think so" do traditional mother boards ( ie that could handle a DX2) support
: this chip. And Finally, if this is true is it compatble and reliable.

This is just an clock doubled 33. I would say it might have been an error
in the ad. I have one of these chips. The story I read was that Advanced
Micro Devices bought the masks for the 80286 from Intel a few years back.
They decide to try to test the copywrite & patent laws by cloning the
386 & 486 chips. Well they were very successful and Intel sued. In the
following trial, Intel LOST. I hear it was due to the naming system that
they used. It made the chips generic in the eyes of the court. That is why
there is no 80586, and we have the Pentium. 

As far as reliability, the AMD 486DX2/66 is an exact duplicate of Intel's 
chip, or so I read in PC Magazine. And at an average of 100 to 150 dollars
less than Intel, I am a buyer!

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From: [email-masked] (David Fox)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Text Editor for (La)TeX (was Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?)
Date: 06 Oct 1994 10:51:10 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:

] In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
] (David Fox) writes: 
]  : The main advantages [of emacs for LaTeX] are color highlighting
]  : [etc.]
] 
] The latest version of Jed also offers syntax highlighting in (La)TeX mode as
] well as ``smart'' and delimiter blinking (even matching `$' pairs).
] Perhaps best of all, you do not need X to get this nor do you need 20 Megs
] of hard disk space.  That is, Jed is small and offers color syntax
] highlighting on any color terminal.
] 
] In fact, recently on comp.text.tex, Jed was chosen as best editor for LaTeX
] under MSDOS.  

That's great, glad to hear it.
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NYU Media Research Lab                     baL hcraeseR aideM UYN

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From: [email-masked] (David Fox)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 05 Oct 1994 17:50:06 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Terence S. Murphy) writes:

] Does editing with emacs offer additional features for the LaTeX user that
] aren't present in vi?  I'm curious about what they are, since I really love
] vi/LaTeX, and don't have problems with it...

The main advantages are color highlighting of latex keywords
and syntax elements and automatic conversion of double quotes
to pairs of open or pairs of close quotes as appropriate.
Also cursor bouncing to indicate matching quotes, parentheses,
equation delimiters, etc.
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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Suman)
Subject: Re: FVWM sound manager?
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:58:59 GMT

Bill McCarthy ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hiya:

: Been reading the posts on the new ver of Xfree and came across references
: to an FVWM window event sound manager - can anyone tell me what this is
: and point to files related? I looked around at home and couldn't find
: anything in the system.fvwmrc. This sounds interesting and is the first
: time I"ve seen reference to such an animal. Thanks for any pointers.

See the man page for FvwmAudio below. It should also be in your fvwm
distribution.

Daniel
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 FvwmAudio(1.0)                                               FvwmAudio(1.0)
                                 Mar 28 1994

 NAME
      FvwmAudio - the FVWM Audio module

 SYNOPSIS
      FvwmAudio is spawned by fvwm, so no command line invocation will work.
      From within the .fvwmrc file, FvwmAudio is spawned as follows:

      Module FvwmAudio

      or from within an fvwm pop-up menu:

      Popup "Module-Popup"
           Title     "Modules"
           Module    "GoodStuff"    GoodStuff
           Module    "NoClutter"    FvwmClean
           Module    "FvwmIdentify" FvwmIdent
           Module  "Banner"        FvwmBanner
           Module    "Debug"        FvwmDebug
           Module  "Audio"          FvwmAudio
           Module  "Pager"         FvwmPager 0 3
      EndPopup

 DESCRIPTION
      The FvwmAudio module communicates with the Fvwm window manager to bind
      audio sounds to window manager actions. Different audio queues may be
      assigned to any window manager action. FvwmAudio can be used with any
      independent audio player, and therefore requires no special audio
      library APIs of its own. Simple in its design, it merely binds the
      audio filenames to particular actions and forks off the audio player
      program with the appropriate filename when that action occurs.

      FvwmAudio can also have builtin support for the rplay library.

 CONFIGURATION OPTIONS
      FvwmAudio reads the same .fvwmrc file as fvwm(1) reads when it starts
      up, and looks for certain configuration options:

      *FvwmAudioPlayCmd /usr/bin/X11/demos/auplay
           This determines the independent audio player program that will
           actually play the sounds.  If the play command is set to
           builtin-rplay then the builtin rplay support will be used.  For
           example:

           *FvwmAudioPlayCmd builtin-rplay

      *FvwmAudioDir /usr/lib/sounds
           Specifies the directory to look for the audio files.  This option

                                    - 1 -     Formatted:  September 19, 1994

 FvwmAudio(1.0)                                               FvwmAudio(1.0)
                                 Mar 28 1994

           is ignored when rplay is used.

      *FvwmAudioDelay 5
           Specifies that sound events will only be played if they occur at
           least 5 seconds after the previous event.  Sounds events that
           occur during the delay period are ignored.  This option is useful
           if you don't want several sounds playing at the same time.  The
           default delay is 0 which disables the audio delay.

      *FvwmAudioRplayHost hostname
           Specifies what host the sounds will play on.  The hostname can
           also be an environment variable such as $HOSTDISPLAY.  This
           option is only valid with builtin rplay support.

      *FvwmAudioRplayPriority 0
           Specifies what priority will be assigned to the sounds when they
           are played.  This option is only valid with builtin rplay
           support.

      *FvwmAudioRplayVolume 127
           Specifies what volume will be assigned to the sounds when they
           are played.  This option is only valid with builtin rplay
           support.

      *FvwmAudio window-manager_action audio_filename
           Binds particular window manager actions to sound queues.

           *FvwmAudio startup TaDa.au
           *FvwmAudio shutdown Elvis_Left.au
           *FvwmAudio unknown doh.au
           *FvwmAudio add_window drip.au
           *FvwmAudio raise_window swoosh.au
           *FvwmAudio lower_window swoosh.au
           *FvwmAudio focus_change boing.au
           *FvwmAudio destroy_window explosion.au
           *FvwmAudio iconify ploop.au
           *FvwmAudio deiconify ploop.au
           *FvwmAudio toggle_paging fwop.au
           *FvwmAudio new_page beam_trek.au
           *FvwmAudio new_desk beam_trek.au
           *FvwmAudio configure_window huh.au
           *FvwmAudio window_name beep.au
           *FvwmAudio icon_name beep.au
           *FvwmAudio res_class beep.au
           *FvwmAudio res_name beep.au
           *FvwmAudio end_windowlist twang.au

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 FvwmAudio(1.0)                                               FvwmAudio(1.0)
                                 Mar 28 1994

 INVOCATION
      The invocation method was shown in the synopsis section. No command
      line invocation is possible. FvwmAudio must be invoked by the fvwm
      window manager.

 BUGS
      It's REALLY noisy when fvwm starts and restarts.

 COPYRIGHTS
      This module is heavily based on a similar Fvwm module called FvwmSound
      by Mark Boyns. FvwmAudio simply takes Mark's original program and
      extends it to make it generic enough to work with any audio player.
      The concept for interfacing this module to the Window Manager, is
      original work by Robert Nation.

      Copyright 1994, Mark Boyns and Mark Scott. No guarantees or warranties
      or anything are provided or implied in any way whatsoever. Use this
      program at your own risk. Permission to use this program for any
      purpose is given, as long as the copyright is kept intact.

 AUTHORS
      Mark Boyns ([email-masked])

      Mark Scott ([email-masked])

                                    - 3 -     Formatted:  September 19, 1994

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From: [email-masked] (Baba Buehler)
Subject: Re: POVRAY-linux with pentium support
Date: 3 Oct 94 06:56:52 GMT
Reply-To: Baba Z Buehler <[email-masked]>

[email-masked] (Albert Hui) writes:

>I'm not sure, but is -O6 bogus (same as -O2) in the stock gcc?

i did some speed trials with Crack 4.1, and i got very different, consistent
numbers when i compiled with -O2, than i did when i compiled with -O6, stock
Slackware 2.0 gcc (2.5.8).
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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux mentioned in PC Week
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 17:11:10 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Maxim Spivak) writes:
>Yeah, but could the 8088 in 1981 run UNIX? Probably--Microsoft did buy 
>Xenix. But Lotus 123 was written for DOS, which was what probably 
>solidified MS-DOS as _the_ major OS for Intel boxes.

PC/IX - it wasn't very fast or efficient but then in comparison to a PDP11
it was no different to todays PC/Mainframe difference of scale.

>Don't forget that the Unix world is also trying to standardize on a GUI 
>(motif on top of X-Windows--COSE) and something similar to OLE--CORBA.

Yep and neither OLE nor CORBA appear to have real world performance.

Alan
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Subject: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
From: [email-masked] (Andy Bailey)
Date: 5 Oct 94 14:11:41 EDT

 Hi, 
   Over the past year now, I have spent lots (moist likely far too much) time
playing with Linux. A great deal of this time has been spent of adjusting
look and feel aspects of the OS. Actually I dont think I should say OS, since
Slackware is really what I'm using. I'm not much of a low-level programmer, so
the things I've tried to do to help out the Linux effort are mostly
documentation, or fit & finish projects.
   The one I have been spending a great deal of time with lately is making a
default system.fvwmrc file. Fvwmrc seems to be a nice manager for a new X user.
Witrh the default configuration, however, you get a rather plain color scheme
and menu set. The menus dont provide any incredible functions, but they do
work.
  I've spent some time playing with NeXTStep, which of course has me drooling
for some nice icons and colors with XFree on my Linux box. I realize, however,
that many people want a minimum of excess "cheese" (As I like to refer to
needless ornaments on a GUI desktop). What I would like to do is discuss, with
some other interested people, various configurations that they are using for
fvwm, that they feel provide unique functionality. Also, since fvwm provides
"modules", it might be possible to set about making some interesting new ones.
  
  I think more users might be attracted to Linux, if some really nice
out-of-box configs like this were available, as well as some new icons and
fonts. Perhaps some scripts (maybe tcl/tk based) that allow easy
addition/removal of icons from the desktop. (I know its simple just the edit
the config file to add/remove stuff, but this would be better looking)

  Its just a wild idea, but I'd like to hear from anyone whos interested as
well

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From: [email-masked] (Gottfried Hamm)
Subject: Re: DataBase Programs for Linux
Date: 3 Oct 1994 20:16:29 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Jason Sokolosky) says:
>
>I was wondering if there were any DataBase Programs/Systems (e.g.
>like Oracle), that use SQL, available for Linux????

There exists a free version of INGRES for Linux. I'm using it and it works fine.
The file is called ingres04.lzh and you should find it on various ftp-sites.

>-Long Live the INTERNET!!!!           

That's right.

Cheers,

Gottfried

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