Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #894
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:13:12 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #894, Volume #2                 Fri, 7 Oct 94 10:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Re: unctrl.h: No such file or directory (Matthew Hannigan)
  Newest Linux Journal? (Kevin K. Lewis)
  Re: talk/talkd and ^Z (Christopher Gori)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Alan Cox)
  Linux on a Thinkpad 720 - 160MB disk, How? (Philip Papadopoulos)
  Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM? (Hallvard Paulsen)
  Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (Brian Vinter)
  Looking for SCO Wordperfect DEMO (C.W. Southern)
  Slackware Pro v2.0 old? (Wayne Adams)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD ([email-masked])
  Re: PPP chat script (Shujaat Siddiqui)
  interesting slip problem (Randy Beiter)
  Re: DOSEMU/Linux 1.1.51 (Randy Beiter)
  Trouble-free Linux PC's (Steven van Aardt)
  Re: PLS recommend a G++ debugger ( with or without X ) (Alan  T Shutko)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! - AND UNFREEZE KLUDGE (Alan Cox)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Colin MacDonald)
  Oct issue of Linux Journal - Mobile Computing Article (William J. Sproule)
  Re: QNX, Linux, or 386BSD? (Peter da Silva)
  Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Christopher Wiles)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Peter da Silva)
  Re: [Q] WD 1Gig HD + EIDE w/ Linux (Dougal Campbell)
  diff between Slackware 2.0.1 vs 2.0.0?  & cannot open mouse dev (Salem, Lazaro)
  Microsoft busmouse on the ATI ULTRA , cannot be opened? (Salem, Lazaro)

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From: [email-masked] (Matthew Hannigan)
Subject: Re: unctrl.h: No such file or directory
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:11:10 GMT

[email-masked] (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:

>In article <matth.781031467@extro>,
>Matthew Hannigan <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>[email-masked] (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:
> [ .. ]
>If you are using ncurses then you SHOULD be using the <termcap.h>
>that comes with it. This is kinda the point!

Ok, but why don't you use the standard termcap.h?
Is ncurses' termcap.h is just meant for ncurses?
If so, perhaps you could use a different name (ntermcap.h?)

>>I just have a feeling that it is safer to #include <pkg/somefile.h>
>>in general rather than -I/usr/include/<pkg> , #include <somefile.h>

>So how do you propose handing your problem? <ncurses.h> includes
><unctrl.h>. Without the -I you won't find it. Besides ncurses 
>could be installed elsewhere (eg. /usr/local/include).

I would hope that it would be installed in
/usr/local/include/ncurses, myself.  Gcc, and most other
compilers search there without -I flags. (I think!)

BTW, thanks for writing such a great package.  My programs so
far run identically under Solaris 2.3.
You may treat my questions as stemming from ignorance :-)

--      
        -Matt Hannigan

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin K. Lewis)
Subject: Newest Linux Journal?
Date: 06 Oct 1994 13:16:42 GMT

Can anyone tell me if they've received the newest (November?) issue of
Linux Journal, yet?

I had to call and tell them I never received my October issue (which
they promptly shipped -- kudos for that!).  I'm just wondering if the
same problem might have occurred with my November issue.

Thanks for any info.
--
Kevin K. Lewis               | My opinions may be unreasonable
[email-masked]       | but such is the voice of inspiration

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From: [email-masked] (Christopher Gori)
Subject: Re: talk/talkd and ^Z
Date: 6 Oct 1994 21:02:45 GMT

([email-masked] (Benjamin John Walter)) wrote: 

>: has anyone else noticed that talk and ytalk really don't like to be
>: suspended under linux?
>: this was true from 0.99.1? up to what i'm using now 1.1.48, and through
>: several versions
>: of net code...  just curious if anybody knows why this is...
>
>I've found that... talk goes pretty hyperactive when I try to suspend
>it!
>
>Peace, Ben
>
[nice .sig deleted]

I thought it was an ncurses bug.  I think I have an old curses lib, maybe
the new ones fix this??  (Correct me if I am way, way off base)

        Chris
        [email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 16:04:06 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (M. K. Shenk) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Phil Homewood <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>Po-Han Lin ([email-masked]) wrote:
>>: Now the question is, which os better?  Better as in...
>>: 3) faster
>>FreeBSD (the difference isn't generally noticeable)
>Support this?

Not hard - I can write you a benchmark to show either is better. The older
*BSD kernels were slower especially on a 4Mb machine due to lack of shared
libraries and other things. On the whole they are pretty similar.

Alan

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From: [email-masked] (Philip Papadopoulos)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Linux on a Thinkpad 720 - 160MB disk, How?
Date: 6 Oct 1994 12:36:25 -0400

Has anybody put Linux on Thinkpad 720? W/ 160MB disk?

I tried a slackware-compatible bootdisk from peipa.cs.uk (something
like that) that would automagically detect the disk paramters.
It came back with 64 heads, and then proceeded to croak that
the head count was > 16.

Running PCTOOLS on this disk gives the following geometry
    head=64, cylinders=161, sectors/cyl = 32

With 512 bytes/sector that gives me 168,820,7xx bytes. 

THis is an ESDI disk. If it was IDE with proper sector translation,
I could divide the heads by four and multiply the cylinders by
4 to get the same storage, but that doesn't work.

Any good ideas out there? Anybody done this?

Thanks,
Phil

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From: [email-masked] (Hallvard Paulsen)
Subject: Re: which is better: Mitsumi or Panasonic CDROM?
Date: 7 Oct 1994 08:31:55 GMT

Harry C Pulley ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Heiko Schlittermann ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : As far as I know the Mitsumi driver doesn't use either irq nor dma.

: Then why is it important that you set your IRQ correctly in mcd.h?

And why is it mentioned in the SoundBlaster manual that you
have to choose an IRQ number for the Mitsumi drive, but not
for a Sony or Crative (Panasonic?) drive?

Hallvard P.

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From: [email-masked] (Brian Vinter)
Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:55:38 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Valery Petrov) writes:
|> Some benchmarks comparison:
|> 
|>                      DELL XPS-90      SGI with R4000 cpu (100MHz):
|> Integer:             19.2 sec.               23.3 sec.
|> Floating point:              200 sec.                199 sec.
|> 
|> I used gcc-2.5.8 with Linux-1.1.51 on DELL's Pentium and C 3.18 with Irix 5.2 on Silicon Graphics machine. Programs were written in plain C using double precision for floating point. Considering 
|> the price difference (similarly equipped SGI is ~3 times more expensive) I wonder who whould like to buy those Indigos nowdays. 
> 
> 
This is not really a fair comparation is it ? The Dell is a top og the line
PC (are there any 100MHz on the market yet ?) whereas the SGI is the absolute
bottom of the current SGI line (do they sell any 100 MHz R4000 anymore ?)

What I would love is a 133 MHz R4600 with Linux, the problem is that even
though MIPS claims that their CPU's cost only half of the price of a Pentium, a
PC motherboard with a MIPS is still for more expensive that a Pentium board.

Still hope though !

Brian
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (C.W. Southern)
Subject: Looking for SCO Wordperfect DEMO
Reply-To: [email-masked] ()
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 22:02:48 GMT

I am looking for the SCO Workperfect DEMO, so I can check out iBCS on
my Linux box.

thanks

-- 
Chris Southern                                          RIT Computer Science 
E-mail: [email-masked]               WWW: http://ultb.rit.edu/~cws9669

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From: [email-masked] (Wayne Adams)
Subject: Slackware Pro v2.0 old?
Date: 4 Oct 1994 23:20:41 -0400

        I just received my cd-rom version of Slackware's Pro v2.0 and see 
that it is using the Linux kernel 1.1.18 but now I see the kernel is all the 
way up to 1.1.50 (anything newer?). Being a newbie to Linux, should I be 
concerned with this, or get used to using Linux before recompiling the 
kernel? It also came with Xfree 2.1.1 and 3.0 and I now see 3.1 is avail. 
Again, do the upgrade?  
        I understand that things change quickly, but still wondering. (G)
                        TIA,
                        Wayne

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From: [email-masked]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 7 Oct 94 10:22:48 +0100

> 
> I have an AMD 486DX-40.  Any news on an add-in from AMD to turn this into a
> 486DX2-80, or do I need to buy a whole new chip?
> 
> Daniel

Yes you have to buy a WHOLE new chip.

        Arjan
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    /     / /     / /     / \  /
   /     / /     / /     /   \/
  /     / /     / /     /    /\
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==================================
        Arjan Filius
        Email: [email-masked]

Tell them :
        Get Linux 
        Don't even think of BUYING msdos and windows.
        windows is for the masses
        Linux is for the smarter ones!

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From: [email-masked] (Shujaat Siddiqui)
Subject: Re: PPP chat script
Date: 6 Oct 94 16:33:57 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Shujaat Siddiqui)

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Ahmad S. Alrasheedan) writes:
>Please, please, please....I need a chat script for PPP login.
>I am open for any contribution :-))
>
>Thanx

Ahmad here is the chat script I use:

/sbin/pppd connect '/sbin/chat -v "" ATDT9Phone Number) 9600(SPEED) "" \
gin:--gin:--gin: ppp word: remote' /dev/cua1 9600(SPEED) -detach debug modem \
(your IP address):

I hope this will help you in whatever you want to achieve.

How are the things in Kuwait. 

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From: [email-masked] (Randy Beiter)
Subject: interesting slip problem
Date: 6 Oct 1994 17:18:24 GMT

Hi, I'm having a rather strange problem with slip.  I have two 
linux machines connected with slip, one at work <with internet
access> and one at home <without :)>.

At work, I'm using dip to handle inbound slip and at home I
use dslip to connect to work.

Instead of using the slip line to connect one machine at home
with the network at work, however, I have a route set up in the
router at work to link a network over the slip line, to connect
the three compuers I have at home to the world.

Now comes the problem...

Periodically <it seems very random> while connected through
one of the machines at home <not the one with the modem>
I suddenly cease to be able to get anywhere.  Upon connecting 
to the machine at work from another computer, I find a route
set up directly to the machine that stopped resonding has
magically appeared, and the device for the route is eth0... which
doesn't work too well, since the machine is on the other end
of the sl0 device.

Any ideas why this silly computer would keep forming routes
like this?  It happens on either of the two machines I have at 
home that are not directly connected to the modem.  The
computer that serves the slip connection at home never has 
this problem.

Both networks use ne2000 compatible cards.

Thanks for any help, in advance.  email responses are preferred,
but I'll keep an eye out for posted responses too. 

- Randy Beiter

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From: [email-masked] (Randy Beiter)
Subject: Re: DOSEMU/Linux 1.1.51
Date: 6 Oct 1994 17:27:15 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Oz Dror) says:

...

>when a user type dos no error is printed, but also dos is not entered.

do you have the dosemu.users file set up in /etc?

i believe for non-root users to use dosemu, they need to be listed
in that file.

- Randy

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From: [email-masked] (Steven van Aardt)
Subject: Trouble-free Linux PC's
Reply-To: uunet!csfb1!svaardt
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:18:05 GMT

I'm looking for an off-the-shelf PC system which will run Linux without
any trouble. The PC should be a 486 or better, offer reasonable performance
with Microsoft Windows, and not be too expensive. Are there any recommendations ?

Thanks in advance

Steve van Aardt

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From: [email-masked] (Alan  T Shutko)
Subject: Re: PLS recommend a G++ debugger ( with or without X )
Date: 06 Oct 1994 17:41:20 GMT

>>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Damon Roscigno <[email-masked]> writes:
In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Daniel Damon Roscigno) writes:

Daniel> I am a new C++ programmer and am looking for a debugger for
Daniel> Linux I am currently running Slackware 1.1 with kernel .99pl14

gdb is a good debugger and you probably already have it.  I'm using it
as I type to debug a class project in c++....

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! - AND UNFREEZE KLUDGE
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:39:34 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Thomas E Zerucha) writes:
>The *real* problem is in tcp.c where tcp_write uses sock_wmalloc to allocate
>socket buffers, but uses kfree_skb (if anything) to deallocate (after an ACK).
>The problem is that kfree_skb bypasses the counting mechanism for the number
>of bytes, so a count of used bytes keeps going up.  THIS IS ONLY A THEORY,

It's also totally wrong.

>but I can find no call to sock_wfree except for an error that aborts sending
>a packet.  The problem seems to occur with ppp due to timing and the very
>small packets (each containing 1 character, but eating 768 bytes), with a
>large window size.

A 1 character packet uses about 100 bytes if that. sock_wfree is called
from kfree_skb() - look harder

>
>You can figure out how to feed the following to patch, or simply edit
>sock.c in the wmalloc and wfree routines.  All I do is disable the size
>tracking.

It's a pity that the size tracking is used to manage the TCP windows and
you now have a totally invalid broken TCP that will crash if someone sprays
you with tcp frames. 

What is interesting is everyone reporting the problem uses PPP. I've looked
through the PPP driver but I can't see anything wrong with it.

Alan

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Colin MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:16:34 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Alan Cox) writes:

>There are other problems I get regular reports of like whole machines
>suddenely locking absolutely solid with not even the keyboard or anything
>else responding. This is always machines with an NE2000 clone and those
>people with the hardware gadgets to check always find the card has jammed
>the bus.

Is there any way round this?  I've had this happen on occasion, using an 
NE2000 clone, mostly when I've been ftp'ing to our local Netware server.  It 
has no problem when FTP'ing anywhere else, or any other net activity.  Is 
the best solution to get a different card?

Colin MacDonald

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From: [email-masked] (William J. Sproule)
Subject: Oct issue of Linux Journal - Mobile Computing Article
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 18:08:14 GMT

Mark Fiuczyniski references a few technical reports
at the end of this article.  I thought I would mention
that these are available for anonymous ftp at
MITL.Research.Panasonic.COM, and also via WWW at:
http://www.MITL.Research.Panasonic.COM/ 

If anyone has questions on these, please forward them to
me, and I'll direct the to the right folks.

-b

--
William Sproule, Systems Administrator  [email-masked]
Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory   Phone: +1 609 734-0800
2 Research Way                                 Fax:   +1 609 987-8827
Princeton, New Jersey  08540-6628              MIME, PGP Accepted

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: QNX, Linux, or 386BSD?
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:17:39 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Jesus Monroy Jr <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Po-Han Lin ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: If one has a pc compatible with a 486, which OS is the best unix
>: operating system?  QNX, Linux, or 386BSD?  

>       I must agree with the majority here.
>       This posting constitutes *flame bait* and does
>       not ask a real question. (pardon the pun)

Jesus, Jesus, pay attention. The majority response isn't "that's flame
bait", it's "we need more information."

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From: [email-masked] (Christopher Wiles)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 18:09:36 GMT

Jesus, take it to e-mail if you two are going to bash each other.

-- Chris

[email-masked]   [email-masked]   [email-masked]
       "... but I want to use all eight comm ports SIMULTANEOUSLY!"
   PGP 2.6 public key available by finger for the clinically paranoid.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:47:58 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Michael L. VanLoon <[email-masked]> wrote:
>This should be taken with a large bucket of salt, however (as Terry
>Lambert points out), since none of the systems have had an official
>POSIX verification suite run on them.

Not to mention that in practical terms POSIX still means very little.

Most code is still written straight to System V or BSD semantics.

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From: Dougal Campbell <dougal@vespucci>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: [Q] WD 1Gig HD + EIDE w/ Linux
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 07:52:33 -0500 (CDT)

On Thu, 6 Oct 1994, Paul Murphy wrote:

> In article <[email-masked]> you wrote:
> 
> : There's a 'big IDE HOWTO' on ftp.iquest.com that's quite helpful.
> 
> Thank you!  You saved my life.

Thank Patrick LoPresti.  He wrote the file.  I'm just trying to make sure 
that people know about it :)
 
> What\where\who is 'iquest.com,' BTW??

interQuest is an internet service provider in Huntsville, AL.  You can 
email or finger [email-masked]' for information on our services.

 
> --
> [email-masked]
>   University of Colorado @ Denver
>     dont't yoiu widh you culd ktype as fasxt as me?

Dougal Campbell          | Check out the interQuest home page:
System Administrator     | http://www.iquest.com/
[email-masked]        | interQuest:  "We can hook you up!"

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From: [email-masked] (Salem, Lazaro)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: diff between Slackware 2.0.1 vs 2.0.0?  & cannot open mouse dev
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:28:51 GMT

Hi everybody,

Anybody can point me out were to look for a list of differences between 
Slackware dist 2.0.0 and 2.0.1?

It seems I messed it up by using boot/kernel and root/install of 2.0.1 
and disk sets from 2.0.0 distribution.
could that be the reason why I can't get my mouse to be recognized?

(Microsoft busmouse connected through the ATI ULTRA grapphic card)

both selection and test-mouse give the error message: 
Cannot open device

Trying 
 # ls -l /dev/mouse 
I get:

... /dev/mouse -> inportbm

instead of 
... /dev/mouse -> /dev/inportbm

Is this a "bug" of the Slackware 2.0.1 distrib?

Then I tried to hard link the mouse device with:

 # ln -f /dev/inportbm /dev/mouse

( I assume that should be a _hard_ link after checking with, for example, 
"# ls -i /dev/cdrom " because those as well as /dev/modem are hard links to 
the proper devices 

It did not work either. I got the cannot open device again and again. 
Tried starting again and again repartiotioning and reformattning the partition 
but nothing.... well I learned a lot reading all the staff (the HOWTOS' and 
the 200 pages Book by Matt Welsh (great!) but still do not get my 
mouse to work...... buhhhhhh!

Any kind soul can help me? 

Specially if you have the ATI ULTRA and a microsoft busmouse connected trough 
it.

HAve all of you a nice weekend!
lazaro (desperate to make Linux + Xfree86 work ) 

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From: [email-masked] (Salem, Lazaro)
Subject: Microsoft busmouse on the ATI ULTRA , cannot be opened?
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:55:28 GMT

Hi, I tried tried tried and keep trying.

I cannot install the mouse under Linux (Slackware 2.0.1 distribution)

Hardware:
It is Leaguer busnouse, recognized by all the soft under both Linux and 
(ehhem, sorry DOS) to be a microsoft (protocol) and busmouse (interface). It 
aso has the 9 pins rounded connector with the notch as described in the 
busmouse HOWTO. so for me there was no doubt its a busmouse.

It is connected trough the graphic card ATI ULTRA (w/mach8 processor for 
the accelerated mode).

I tried mknod ... /dev/inportbm
and when running "selection" or "test-mouse" 
with "-t bm" or "-t ms"  
and "-m /dev/mouse" or "-m /dev/mouse" options, 
get:

ms_init: Cannot open device

the same when booting.

why? why? why?
many thanks!
LAzaro 

lazaro 

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