Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #895
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:13:25 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #895, Volume #2                 Fri, 7 Oct 94 13:13:25 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Bill Willis)
  Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz. (CVL staff member Nate Sammons)
  Re: Where is infomagic? (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Miguel Alvarez Blanco)
  Does all SCO software run on Linux (C.W. Southern)
  PHONE for ACC Bookstore Anyone? (edg@tt740)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Raoul Golan)
  Re: Linux doesn't like my cache (David Flood)
  Re: where to get the texbook (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
  Re: X News-reader for LinuX (Jaime Jofre)
  Re: New Linux Distribution (Aaron K. Michalove)
  Re: Idek 8617 + ???? @ 1280x1024x(76-80)Hz (Andre M.A. van Leeuwen)
  Re: Idek 8617 + ???? @ 1280x1024x(76-80)Hz (Mary Shenk)
  DooM: Sound but no Music? (Raymond Kraft)
  Re: SW Technologies (Jonathan I. Kamens)
  Re: where to get the texbook (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
  Re: Linux mentioned in PC Week (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)

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From: [email-masked] (Bill Willis)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 5 Oct 1994 03:53:04 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Bill Willis)

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz) writes:
|>
|>Still, it is not as if style sheets can't be done using major word proces-
|>sors.  And I'm not sure that TeX is really the right thing to bring up for
|>average users.  It's just not a word processor in the sense that most of
|>us use those words.  Any system that separates editing from viewing just
|>adds another gratuitous layer of indirection to the process of producing
|>documents.
|>

Actually, almost every study I have ever seen shows that WYSIWYG significantly
reduces the productivity of a person trying to get serious writing done. I
believe that these were studies of documentation producers and that they found
that users of WYSIWYG spend a lot of time formatting and reformatting to get
visual appearance when they should be writing content. In other words, the
process of wrting content then formatting is more productive that formatting as
you go and WYSIWYG tends to lead people to format as they go.

I guess that we are not talking letters and memos here, but reports, books,
etc. and this makes a difference. But the bottom line is, no body has ever
shown me anything that proves WYSIWYG makes for more productive writing...

I also have to admit that I generally use WYSIWYG...

-- 
Bill Willis

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From: [email-masked] (CVL staff member Nate Sammons)
Subject: Re: P5-90 MHz beats SGI R4000-100MHz.
Date: 4 Oct 1994 17:01:19 GMT

I think some people are missing the point about SGIs.  First, a little about
myself.  I run a lab of 7 SGIs and a linux box (more to come, probably).

Linux is great for UNIX and X.  SGIs, OTOH, have a *lot* of custom
hardware for doing 3D calcs very fast.  They havn't had a *really* fast 
CPU in the past (the R8000, of course, is different), but they have
had very good SMP (in the challenge and onyx series) and extraordinary
3D graphics (look at the specs for a Reality Engine 2 sometime).

So, this is somewhat like the "Mac vs. PC" crusades that are always going on.

Each machine has it's strong points, and each is the "best solution" for
some people.

BTW, I would like to see a PC that beats an R8000 (110 SpecINT and 330 SpecFP
at a measly 75 MHz... better than the new DEC which is 300 SpecINT and
500 SpecFP, but at 300 MHz), but that's another story.

-nate

--
                   Nate Sammons <[email-masked]>
        System Administrator - CSU Computer Visualization Laboratory

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From: [email-masked] (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
Subject: Re: Where is infomagic?
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 20:01:23 GMT

FORSEILLES STEPHAN ([email-masked]) wrote:
:       I tried to mail infomagic.com but it bounced...

:       Did they change their IP or did they just shut down theeir business?

        The move to Arizona has not been without its difficulties... chief of
        which is getting the T1 line installed by SouthWestern Bell!  So
        communications has been difficult.  Mail should have been forwarded,
        but there have been some problems there also.  The phone numbers should
        be working now.  Also, if you need to send mail, you may direct it to:

                [email-masked]
                        or
                [email-masked]
                        or
                [email-masked]

        And I'll call them directly with your questions and orders.

        We apologise for the delay.  :(   

        BUT!  The next Linux Developers' Resource CD set is being pressed at
        this moment and should be shipping aroung Oct. 10!

        Thanks for your support,

                - Mark, Joel, Kim, Patty, and Fred

--
"Linux!     Guerrilla UNIX Development     Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus."
============================================================
Mark A. Horton       ka4ybr           [email-masked]
P.O. Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747   [email-masked]
+1.404.371.0291 : 33 45 31 N / 084 16 59 W    [email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
From: [email-masked] (Miguel Alvarez Blanco)
Date: 7 Oct 1994 12:12:06 GMT

Richard L. Goerwitz ([email-masked]) wrote:
: [email-masked] (Sergei Naoumov) writes:

: Another point:  TeX will give you low-level control over your document.
: But frankly I don't give a damn.  Once the referees, copy editors, lay-
: out goons, and editors get their hands on my MS it's not going to look
: like what I gave them, anyway.  So who wants to twiddle kerning pairs?
: Just bang the sucker out, I say, and don't be so anal-retentive.

 Really? This must be in your own field, because some journals of the
APS, like Physical Review, accept LaTeX documents by e-mail (in source!)
and use LaTeX in producing the final document. So I want to twiddle not
only kerning pairs, but everything in my documents, because I know that
the way I see them is the way the final reader will see them. BTW, the
e-mail process is far faster than the usual method of submission; even
if the only advantage of LaTeX were this, I'll take it over that myriad
of brain dead 'clicky' Windows word processors.

 Another important thing: I'm by no means a typist, nor want to be one.
Why on earth should I care of the intrincate problems of document
typesetting when a program can do it for me?

 I won't claim that LaTeX is a good multilingual processor, but my master
thesis was written on it, in spanish, without troubles. Sure, Hebrew, Kanji
and lots of other languages are not there, but at least it's a step forward.

 BTW, I use vi as the editor for my LaTeX documents, so I'm probably brain
dead myself :-)

  Cheers,

         Miguel

    Miguel Alvarez Blanco           |  "All that is gold does not glitter,
[email-masked]     |   not all those who wander are lost."
[email-masked]    |           Bilbo Baggins.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (C.W. Southern)
Subject: Does all SCO software run on Linux
Reply-To: [email-masked] ()
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 22:31:30 GMT

With the proper drivers install into the kernel, does most of SCO's
software run on a Linux box.  I hear all the time of Wordperfect
running what about other software for SCO.

chris.

-- 
Chris Southern                                          RIT Computer Science 
E-mail: [email-masked]               WWW: http://ultb.rit.edu/~cws9669

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From: edg@tt740 
Subject: PHONE for ACC Bookstore Anyone?
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:46:00 GMT

Does anyone have the phone for ACC Bookstore? They are Linux CD/book
disktributors.
^^^^^^

Ed Gonzalez
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Raoul Golan)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: 7 Oct 1994 15:34:03 +1000

[email-masked] (Nate Williams) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]>, Po-Han Lin <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>386bsd is monolithic (controlled I guess), while linux is non-monolithic.

>You were misinformed.  Both Linux and the BSD's use monolithic kernels. 
>For a fun discussion of this, there is a series of articles were Linus
>and Andy Tanenbaum 'discussed' the merits of both of these when Linux
>was in it's infancy.

I think Po-Han misunderstood what 'monolithic' means.  He referred
to monolithic as meaning controlled, whereas monolithic - as opposed
to microkernel - is really a description of the OS design.
Both BSD and Linux are monolithic in this respect.  

In any case, one has to qualify what is mean by "controlled".
Many say that BSD is tightly controlled by the BSD core team,
whereas Linux is developed through a loose, uncentralised,
group of programmers.

My understanding is that anyone can contribute to BSD as well,
so that the real difference is that whereas a team decides
what goes into BSD, only one person decides what goes into
Linux (namely, Linus).  Big deal.

-- 
Raoul Golan, Consultant for Object Oriented P/L, at   =Those who have put out 
Intelligent Networks Development, Telecom Australia   =the people's eyes 
Also student at Macquarie Univ. School of History,    =despise them for their
Philosophy and Politics. EMAIL:[email-masked] =blindness. - Milton

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From: [email-masked] (David Flood)
Subject: Re: Linux doesn't like my cache
Date: 7 Oct 1994 05:25:40 GMT

Well, both other settings bomb out also so I guess that the cache is out for
now.  Anyone got a test for cache mem chips?

-- 
=============================================================================
[email-masked]

The above opinions are mine alone and do not reflect anyone elses.
Besides, who wants my opinion anyway?
=============================================================================

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
Subject: Re: where to get the texbook
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 21:54:42 GMT

CVL staff member Nate Sammons ([email-masked]) wrote:
: The book from O'Reilley is good for configuring Tex, but it doesn't 
: cover hardly _any_ issues in using TeX (like how to do left and
: right justification)

It's not supposed too!

The intent of the book is to help you get TeX (and its myriad programs) up and
running.  You're expected to use other books (like Knuth's TeXbook) to learn
how to use TeX et al.

That's why its title "Making TeX Work" not 'How to Use TeX'.

--
==========All Opinions Expressed are MINE, not IBM's==============
Michael Rogero Brown       (*IX System Administrator)  
IBM (uK Development)         TEL/TIE   (407) 443-6400   
Boca Raton, FL               Internet:  [email-masked]

If you think I speak for IBM, then I've got some swamp land^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
real estate to sell you.

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    W--- M-- V>-- -p+ Y+ t 5++ j(++) r !G v+ b+++ !D b--- e+++ u+ h+ f !r n x?

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From: [email-masked] (Jaime Jofre)
Subject: Re: X News-reader for LinuX
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:13:33 GMT

Marc Fraioli ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article [email-masked],  [email-masked] (Robert S. Cauthorn) writes:
: >But are any of the X news readers threaded? I haven't found one yet, unless 
: >I'm using older versions of xvnews and xrn.
: >
: Not really, that I know of, but some are close.  I use xvnews 2.2.1, and
: although it's not threaded, it will sort the messages alphabetically by
: subject, and it's smart enough to ignore "Re:"s at the beginning.  This
: is not quite the same as being fully threaded, but it seems close enough
: for me.  Also, DEC has a version of xrn, called dxrn, which does do threading.
: So far, however, I have not found a way to enable this automatically-- you
: have to choose "thread articles" off a menu every single time you enter
: a group.  This is quite annoying.  Also, dxrn wants either the DECwindows
: or Motif widgets.  I've never seen it running on Linux, although I suspect
: the Motif version should work (I've built it on Ultrix, OSF/1, SunOS, A/UX,
: and SCO).

: >Incidentally, is there a faq or something that lists the major X internet 
: >clients? I'd love to see it in case I'm missing something.
: >
: Dunno, but it would be long...I use xvnews, Mosaic, xarchie, and mftp on Linux.
: I use Mosaic for hitting gophers as well as Web servers.

: ---
: Marc Fraioli        | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " 
: [email-masked]         |    - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
:                     |    Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War

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From: [email-masked] (Aaron K. Michalove)
Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 05:18:05 GMT

        What the DOS user REALLY needs for using LINUX....

        GOOD DOCUMENTATION that relates common DOS commands to UNIX commands.

        The "problem" is with the complexity and unfamiliarity of the 
UNIX commands. I think that a good documentation project (hello LDP 
members!) for UNIX commands, indexed by their DOS siblings, as well as a 
section for all those "crazy little things" DOS just doesn't offer, like 
a section on "If you are on 'the NET'..." - people who are using LINUX at 
home have no need, unless they have access to a dialup, to have IRC and 
TELNET and all that stuff cluttering their little minds.
        There should definitely be a section on multiuser - like how to 
change passwords, permissions, ownership, how to read "drwxr-xr-x", etc.

        I would actually like to have a printout of a complete listing 
like this next to my Linux Box :-)

                                -Aaron

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Andre M.A. van Leeuwen)
Subject: Re: Idek 8617 + ???? @ 1280x1024x(76-80)Hz
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:01:53 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Jim Sun) writes:
|> [email-masked] (Bryon G. Rigg) wrote:
|> 
|> >I am purchasing an Idek 8617 monitor and want reccommendations for a video
|> >accellerator.  The Idek reports to have refresh rates up 80Hz for 1280x1024.
|> >I am looking for a card that can support this.
|> >I will use this for Windoze and Linux/XFree86 so windows performance is more
|> >important than dos performance.  I have around $275(US) to spend and want the
|> >best performance at the highest refresh rate.
|> >I have looking at prices and foound the ATI Ultra Pro 2Mb (Mach 32) fits
|> >within my operational and monetary constraints.  Can this board give me
|> >the refresh rates that I am looking for?
|> 
|> I don't think any card will do 80hz at 1280x1024 in Windoze; due to the 
|> moron-proof user interface, manufacture would have to create a special
|> entry for the IDEK: 1280x1024 on 135mhz, which will fry other monitors,
|> most of which are maxed out at 110mhz.  
|> As for XF86, it's a completely different story; any card that supports
|> 135mhz dot-clock will do.  However, I think ATI GUP (mach32) maxes out
|> at 110mhz.  A number of 864 cards can handle 135mhz; you can get Diamond
|> Stl64 for $265 if you can trade-in any garbage; now, according to the XF
|> doc, Diamond finally changed their policy towards XF86.
|> 
|> Jim

The ATI GUP with 2mb VRAM I have performs just fine, using a dotclock of 135Mhz
it displays 1280x1024 resolution 256 colors at refreshrate 74Hz.
Be sure to get the Pro version with VRAM instead of DRAM, otherwise the memory
can't cope with the speed resulting in 'snow' when moving windows around.

-- 
 =================================================
|Drs. Andre M.A. van Leeuwen          [email-masked]|
|Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science (CWI)|
|Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands|
 =================================================

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From: [email-masked] (Mary Shenk)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Idek 8617 + ???? @ 1280x1024x(76-80)Hz
Date: 7 Oct 1994 00:37:49 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Jim Sun <[email-masked]> wrote:
>[email-masked] (Bryon G. Rigg) wrote:
>
>>I am purchasing an Idek 8617 monitor and want reccommendations for a video
>>accellerator.  The Idek reports to have refresh rates up 80Hz for 1280x1024.
<snip>
>I don't think any card will do 80hz at 1280x1024 in Windoze; due to the 
>moron-proof user interface, manufacture would have to create a special
>entry for the IDEK: 1280x1024 on 135mhz, which will fry other monitors,
>most of which are maxed out at 110mhz.  
>As for XF86, it's a completely different story; any card that supports
>135mhz dot-clock will do.  However, I think ATI GUP (mach32) maxes out
>at 110mhz.  A number of 864 cards can handle 135mhz; you can get Diamond

Wrong.  As I just said, the GUP has a 135Mhz pixel clock.  It also takes more
than 135 to drive 1280x1024 @80hz...at least in all cases I am aware of.

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From: [email-masked] (Raymond Kraft)
Subject: DooM: Sound but no Music?
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:48:51 GMT

Somebody posted a message about this a little while ago, but I
didn't see any solutions posted.  In particular, I'm running xdoom
under Linux 1.0 with the 2.9 sounddriver and a SoundBlaster 16 ASP.
I hear all the sound effects, but I don't hear any music.  I made sure
the the music volume slider was turned up, so that does not appear to
be the problem.

If anyone else has encountered this and has any kind suggestions, I'd be
grateful.  Thanks in advance.

-- 
                        
                                         -Ray Kraft
                                          Seattle, Washington
                                          [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Subject: Re: SW Technologies
Date: 7 Oct 1994 16:06:54 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (E. Robert Tisdale) writes:
|> Marvin Wu is a competent and conscientious Linux workstation vendor.  

That may be your opinion.  It is not mine.

|> He certainly believed your machine was in good working order
|> when he sent it to you and it has not failed since you sent it back.

Really?  Did the keyboard suddenly magically start generating the Alt-Shift->
sequence that it couldn't generate for the whole time I had it?

Has Marvin Wu actually tried to use it as strenuously as I used it while I had
it?  Has he used it to do compute-intensive things for prolonged periods of
time in a 72-degree room?  That's what I was doing with it, and that's the
environment in which it was failing (I did, incidentally, ask Wu if the room
was too hot for the machine, and he said that it wasn't).  I seriously doubt
that he has done this kind of testing on the machine.

|> and you agreed to ship your machine back to SWT
|> within 30 days for a full refund if you were not satisfied.  Marvin Wu
|> extended this money back guaranty to 60 days then 90 days at your request.

Wu extended the warrantee because the machine never worked properly and I told
him that if he didn't extend the warrantee, I was going to ship the machine
back immediately because I was not satisfied.  He had the option of choosing
to extend the warrantee or have me return the machine, and he chose the
former.  That's his problem, not mine.

|> Since you have made no attempt to acquire another Linux workstation,
|> it is not clear that any PC-clone vendor would be able to provide you
|> with satisfactory service.

As I told you in E-mail, it is not necessary to experience good service in
order to know when one is experiencing bad service.

I've had a number of people contact me and tell me they had similar problems
with SWT (including someone else who got a machine that didn't work, spent
months installing replacement parts from SWT to try to get it to work, and
then finally returned it, only to have the refund check bounce just like mine
did!).  I've read first-hand accounts from a number of people who bought
Pentium systems from other vendors who were extraordinarily pleased with the
service they received and who had no hardware problems with the systems at
all, for a long time after they purchased them.  That is as it should be. 
When a vendor ships a machine, the machine should work.  If it doesn't, the
vendor has done something wrong.  If that vendor ships machines that don't
work with some frequency, then there is something wrong with the vendor.

|> It might even appear that you decided that
|> you didn't really need or couldn't afford a new workstation sometime
|> after you made your deal with SWT and that you just strung Marvin Wu
|> along for three months then tried to beat him out of the shipping costs
|> as well.

This accusation is offensive and baseless, notwithstanding the fact that you
prefix it with "might".  I have not bought another machine because I have not
had time.  That's what I told you in E-mail, and I even provided an extensive
explanation of why I have not had time.  Getting married, going on a
honeymoon, moving into a new apartment, missing almost two work weeks (all of
which had to be made up) for Jewish holidays, and working sixty- and
seventy-hour work weeks can eliminate most of a person's free time, you know. 
If anyone seriously believes that I returned the machine to SWT because I
decided I "didn't really need or couldn't afford a new workstation," I will be
glad to provide any number of character references -- people who know that I
would never do what is being suggested, and people who know that I had
continuous problems with the machine for three months and finally returned it
only as a last resort.

|> It appears to me that Marvin Wu made an honest effort to live up to his part
|> of the agreement

He may have made an effort, honest or otherwise, but he never succeeded.  My
machine never worked.

Bob, are you speaking from the point of view of a satisfied customer of SWT or
something more?  Are you and Wu acquaintenaces, perhaps, or even friends?  You
did tell me in E-mail that you are "on reasonably good terms with Marvin Wu." 
What exactly does that mean?
-- 
Jonathan Kamens  |  OpenVision Technologies, Inc.  |   [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
Subject: Re: where to get the texbook
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 04:03:42 GMT

Hans Petter Fasteng ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I hope to learn how to make docs in tex, I also hoped to make info pages and
: I think I need the texbook to do this.  Where can I get this book or books?

: -Hans

O'Reilly has a new book out... "Making TeX Work"  that is very good.  You can
find it in most computer bookstores or via (I think this is right!) 
                [email-masked]
They are also on WWW somewhere... stumbled on them whilst playing with
Mosaic.  :)

        - Mark

--
"Linux!     Guerrilla UNIX Development     Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus."
============================================================
Mark A. Horton       ka4ybr             [email-masked]
P.O. Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747         [email-masked]
+1.404.371.0291                     33 45 31 N / 084 16 59 W

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From: [email-masked] (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
Subject: Re: Linux mentioned in PC Week
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 04:20:34 GMT

Maxim Spivak ([email-masked]) wrote:
: >     Without DOS and Windows the  world of computing would probably
: >be a lot  more  developed today than   what  it is.  Everything   that

: Well... Don't forget that MS targets the _general_ market, i.e. your 
: grandma, grandpa, and dog in addition to you, the superuser. For 
: _general_ users, MS Windows with Windows apps is probably a better choice 
: than Linux. But not necessarily for me or you.

        Oh... I dunno... my 74 year-old Dad seems to be pretty happy with
        his Linux system... his only gripe is that there don't seem to be
        any uucp sites to connect to in the Ft. Myers, FL area!
                (BTW: anyone down there that can help him out?)

        (My dog's still saving up for a special keyboard :) ... )

: >MicroSloth gets  on  the  market today  is  supposed  to  be  new  and
: >groundbreaking technology...although most of what  they have to  offer
: >has already been implemented  in the unix world  long ago. MS has been

: Yeah, but could the 8088 in 1981 run UNIX? Probably--Microsoft did buy 
: Xenix. But Lotus 123 was written for DOS, which was what probably 
: solidified MS-DOS as _the_ major OS for Intel boxes.

        I kinda thought that the IBM PC did that by legitimising a 
        hitherto fragmented market.   And wasn't Lotus 123 stolen ..errr..
        "borrowed as in look-and-feel" from Visicalc?  I can't remember
        exactly... old-timer's disease, you know... :)

: I personally think that there's place in the computing world both for 
: various Unices and MS-Windows-type OS's. They are generally used by 
: different audiences, with only a little overlap.

        Actually, I agree with you here... I've given up trying to 
        convert the world to Linux.  If they're happy with DOS and
        Windows (and the wonderful stability they have <g>), leave them
        be.  Use something like samba and connect to a Linux server
        for file sharing and such, but leave them happy and in the
        same state of mastery/confusion as they've come to love.

        Just my .0000005 cents worth.

        - Mark

--
... Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.
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P.O. Box 747 Decatur GA US 30031-0747         [email-masked]
+1.404.371.0291                     33 45 31 N / 084 16 59 W

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