Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #900
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 94 06:13:09 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #900, Volume #2                 Sat, 8 Oct 94 06:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development (Matthew Donadio)
  Re: New Linux Distribution (Lars Marowsky-Bree)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Daniel Poirot)
  c and me (Bill McCarthy)
  Wanted: compiled Xwebster (Yan Xiao)
  Re: What PCMCIA ethernet card to buy? (David Hinds)
  GCC/Ncurses/Poll keypress? (Steven S. Spiroff)
  FVWM sound manager? (Bill McCarthy)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Woody Jin)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Sam Brown)
  Printer help (Joseph Jones)
  Re: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development (Ian McCloghrie)
  Re: SW Technologies (E. Robert Tisdale)
  Re: gas and header files (John Richardson)
  Commercial X servers: here's one (Andrew R. Tefft)
  Re: Xcalendar - seg fault (John Gotts)
  Executor -- Commercial Macintosh Emulator for Linux (Joe Thomas)
  Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: Hmmm (Stephen Harris)
  Re: xvnews (Elkhoury ...)
  looking for make (Jay Lewis)
  * DOSEMU Binaries?? * (Rajib Rashid)
  * Error Mounting File System * (Rajib Rashid)

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From: [email-masked] (Matthew Donadio)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development
Date: 7 Oct 1994 15:54:24 GMT

Xiaojun Zhu ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I want to start a flame here. Please feel free to flame me as well.

First off, I failed to grasp your point.  There are reasons why 2.6.0
hasn't been oficially released by the linux community, namely the fact
that it is buggy and fails to compile some code (like some versions of
the kernel).  Can you imagine what would happen if newbies tried
compiling things and get an errors like "Internal error: cannot find
spill register"?

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Date: 07 Oct 1994 15:07:00 +0200
From: [email-masked] (Lars Marowsky-Bree)
Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution

Hell, 

if there will be a simple  version  of Linux, which any J.Random can
install, use and worse, understand, I am going  to  drop  Linux  and
write my own... ;-)

--
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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Poirot)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:52:05 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Mark Tinguely <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman) writes:
><text removed>
>
>Technologies are quickly shared between all the OSes. So Linux, and *BSD are
>actually have the whole group contributing the features found in the OS. 
>So what are the major things to look for when choosing an OS (IMHO)?
>
>1) the basic "flavor" of Unix you like. Besides being Posix compliant, I think
>   everyone can agree that Linux is a System V based OS and *BSD is BSD based
>   OS. there is a slight philosophy difference.

How do you figure?  Aside from /etc/inittab run state stuff, I can't
think of a thing that makes Linux look like SysV (yuck).  

When I compile stuff off the Net, I configure for BSD.

I hardly think that /proc counts either...

-- 
Daniel Poirot           [email-masked]
NASA JSC                "The mind is a terrible thing."
ER3                     tel: (713)483-8793
Houston, TX 77058       fax: (713)483-3204

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From: [email-masked] (Bill McCarthy)
Subject: c and me
Date: 5 Oct 1994 12:09:15 -0400

Keywords: gcc howto

Hiya:

Forgive me if this is a totally clueless question, but...... I have
zero programming background (took an intro basic course in '84) but
would very much like to start using gcc in Linux - downloaded the
gcc package from the Ygg cd last night. Where do I start? I need a
reall basic intro to C for linux users-type book. To give you an 
idea of what I've tried: borrowed a book on C from work. Tried the
newbie program that supposed to print "hello, world". Typed it in
as per instructions in the book. Ran cc hello.c and got a parse
error. Duh....huh? Took a look at LJ #5, and wouldn't you know it,
on the cover is a shot of some emacs windows with the EXACT same thing.
BUT, the script didn't look like the one I was trying to get to work.

Hence, I'm looking for some guidance. Anyone take pity on a poor soul
trying to better hisself through programming in C with Linux? Thanks.

Bill McCarthy
[email-masked]

"Isn't it pretty to think so."
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT\__Jake Barnes___________________________
LinuX + i486dx2/66 
usual disclaimer 

   

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From: [email-masked] (Yan Xiao)
Subject: Wanted: compiled Xwebster
Date: 07 Oct 1994 17:15:02 GMT

Is anyone willing to share a compiled Xwebster?

Yan

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From: [email-masked] (David Hinds)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.networking
Subject: Re: What PCMCIA ethernet card to buy?
Date: 7 Oct 1994 17:35:31 GMT

[email-masked] wrote:

: In article <[email-masked]>, 

: > I'm looking for PCMCIA ethernet card for my notebook running Linux. I
: > have the list of Linux-happy cards (got it from the Stanford ftp site
: > about a month ago.) I'm looking for recommendations on these or
: > compatiable cards, as well as leads on good prices. Thanks!
: > 
: > -- 
:                    [email-masked]

: Hey you should get a Xircom Ethernet PCMCIA, (get a modem on it too)
: I used it for: <running at once, mind you>

:       exceed/W
:       Novell Netware
:       SNMP agent
:       Chameleon NFS

Ack!  Whatever you do, do not buy a Xircom PCMCIA card!  Xircom does
not release any technical information about their cards, which means
that unless a miracle happens, they are never going to be supported by
Linux.

Stick with one of the cards on the "supported cards" list.  There are
really only three different cards: the D-Link (same as Linksys and
IC-Card), the IBM (same as Network General, Thomas-Conrad, Kingston,
and Novell), and the 3Com.  As for which to choose, I don't know of
any compelling reasons for picking any of these over any other.  I'd
be slightly wary of the 3Com card because I've received a few problem
reports that I haven't been able to track down, but most people have
no trouble with it.

        -- David Hinds
           [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Steven S. Spiroff)
Subject: GCC/Ncurses/Poll keypress?
Date: 7 Oct 1994 17:57:39 GMT

Is there a way, using gcc and the ncurses library, to sit in a loop updating
the screen while checking to see if a key was pressed? In other words, not
sit on a getch() waiting for a key, but too continue doing other stuff until
a key is pressed..

Please respond via mail.

--
 Steven S Spiroff               Stuck in the slow lane of the Infobahn (harf!)
 [email-masked]
 Long Island, NY, USA

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From: [email-masked] (Bill McCarthy)
Subject: FVWM sound manager?
Date: 5 Oct 1994 12:13:15 -0400

Hiya:

Been reading the posts on the new ver of Xfree and came across references
to an FVWM window event sound manager - can anyone tell me what this is
and point to files related? I looked around at home and couldn't find
anything in the system.fvwmrc. This sounds interesting and is the first
time I"ve seen reference to such an animal. Thanks for any pointers.

Bill McCarthy
[email-masked]

"Isn't it pretty to think so."
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT\__Jake Barnes___________________________
LinuX + i486dx2/66 
usual disclaimer 

   

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From: [email-masked] (Woody Jin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: 6 Oct 1994 20:03:40 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Nate Williams <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>, Po-Han Lin <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>386bsd is monolithic (controlled I guess), while linux is non-monolithic.
>
>You were misinformed.  Both Linux and the BSD's use monolithic kernels. 
>For a fun discussion of this, there is a series of articles were Linus
>and Andy Tanenbaum 'discussed' the merits of both of these when Linux
>was in it's infancy.

BTW, I have a question.   Compiling  FreeBSD kernel  in 386 is much faster
than compiling Linux kernel in 486 with twice memory.
I found that Linux compiles everything whatever options I choose.
Am I doing something wrong, or is it the feature of Linux ?

--
Woody Jin

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From: [email-masked] (Sam Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 6 Oct 1994 05:42:45 -0700

picked up a dx-2-80 amd, works great. $210 was my cost $320 w/green vlb 
motherboard. extremely stable and fast

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From: [email-masked] (Joseph Jones)
Subject: Printer help
Date: 7 Oct 1994 00:02:57 GMT

Does anybody have the printcap entry for an HP Deskjet 500/520?

Thanks!

joe

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From: [email-masked] (Ian McCloghrie)
Subject: Re: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development
Date: 7 Oct 1994 09:14:20 -0700

(just posted to c.o.l.m)
[email-masked] (Xiaojun Zhu) writes:
>But how could people fix those bugs? At least the gnu people? I think
>mainly through people using and testing them. That's also how the

Look, if you want to help support GNU's debugging effort by building
your kernel with a known-buggy compiler and risking your data, go
right ahead.  Compiling gcc on a linux box is easy, you just download
the file, untar it, type "./configure --target=i486-unknown-linux",
"make" and "make install".  You're quite welcome to do it -- I'm not
going to.

--
Ian McCloghrie    work: [email-masked]     home: [email-masked]
  ____   GCS d-- H s+:+ !g p? au a- w+ v- C++$ UL++++ US++$ P+>++
  \bi/   L+++ 3 E+ N++ K--- W--- M-- V-- -po+ Y+ t+ 5+++ jx R G'''
   \/    tv- b+++ D- B-- e- u* h- f+ r n- y*

The above represents my personal opinions and not necessarily those
of my employer, Qualcomm Inc.

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From: [email-masked] (E. Robert Tisdale)
Subject: Re: SW Technologies
Date: 7 Oct 1994 18:24:56 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>
[email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman) writes:
>
>If someone is going to try to make a business out of shipping
>pre-configured Linux workstations, then they assume QA headaches.
>Otherwise, what makes their 'preconfigured' system worth the extra money
>versus my going out and building a machine out of parts and a Linux CD-ROM???

It proves that Linux can be installed on the system you bought
and ensures that Linux will support every component.
If you build your own machine, you may waste hours trying to install
and configure Linux before you discover that you made a mistake
and bought a component that Linux will not support.  Hardware vendors
usually charge a restocking fee (typically 15%) on returned components
unless you can prove that the parts were defective.

Linux workstation vendors are competitive with ordinary PC-clone vendors.
You might try getting a quote for a Linux workstation from SWT and compare
it with quotes for equivalent machines from some of the major mail order
PC-clone vendors.  I think you will find that Marvin Wu can match or beat
any other vendor's price.  This means that you get Linux installed and
configured essentially for free.

The problem with mail order Linux workstations is that it is a pain to get
warranty service through the mail.  This is why I recommend buying a Linux
workstation from one of your local PC-clone vendors.  There are half a dozen
vendors in my neighborhood who have promised to install Linux in the systems
they sell if the customer requests them to do so.  I see no reason why you
shouldn't be able to convince at least one of your local area vendors to do
the same.

Hope this helps, Bob Tisdale.

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From: [email-masked] (John Richardson)
Subject: Re: gas and header files
Date: 4 Oct 1994 21:16:18 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
John Richardson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Is there any info about the seemingly "advanced" gas/gcc assembly
>in the linux header files?  As I was searching though the code
>I came across
>
>#define restore_flags(x) \
>__asm__ __volatile__("pushl %0 ; popfl": /* no output */ :"r" (x):"memory")
>

Duh.  I just ftp-ed gcc 2.6.0 and what did I find in the info pages?
Ah hah!  The format of asm statements in gcc!

For those interested the general idea is:
        asm("asm-statment" : outputs : inputs : what is modified)

--
John Richardson
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew R. Tefft)
Subject: Commercial X servers: here's one
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 18:44:26 GMT

This may already been well known, but I thought I would post.
The October Uniforum Monthly has an ad for and a blurb about
a server from X-Inside called Accelerated X which runs on Linux,
SCO, Solaris, FreeBSD, and others. It is an X server only. 

They claim "highest performance", with truecolor, and 
up to 1600x1200 resolution (not on all hardware, of course).

No numbers or useful details except price is $199 (which seems steep).
Email [email-masked]. Maybe I'll see if they will send me a review
copy for a Linux Journal review :-)

-- 

Andy Tefft               - new, expanded .sig -     [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (John Gotts)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Xcalendar - seg fault
Date: 4 Oct 1994 05:49:19 GMT

Get new sources from ftp.x.org and recompile.

--
John Gotts ([email-masked])  73 de N8QDW   URL: http://www.umich.edu/~jgotts
GE -d+ H s+: g-- p? !au a-- w+ v C++++ UL++++ P+>++ L++ 3- E--- N+++ K- !W M--
 V-- -po+(---) Y+ t+ 5 j+ R- G? tv b+ D B- e+ u--- h f+ r n- y? <Linux rules!>

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From: [email-masked] (Joe Thomas)
Subject: Executor -- Commercial Macintosh Emulator for Linux
Date: 6 Oct 1994 12:47:17 GMT

Anyone interested in Mac emulation under Linux should check out  
comp.emulators.misc.  Apparently ARDI, will be releasing a version of Executor  
for Linux soon.  Executor is a Mac emulator that started a couple years ago on  
the NeXT, and now has a version for PCs running DOS.

I'm not affilliated with ARDI, but I am impressed by the NeXT version.

In comp.emulators.misc article <[email-masked]> "Clifford T.  
Matthews" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Executor/Linux        1.99a
> 
>     Internally we're doing almost all our development under Linux.
>     This version will allow people with Linux to see what Executor
>     looks like under X-Windows.  It will have a time-limit that
>     can be removed with an activation key.  The price for this
>     activation key hasn't been set yet.

Joe

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From: [email-masked] (Bill C. Riemers)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
Date: 08 Oct 1994 05:17:40 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Wilson <[email-masked]> writes:

    Tom> In article <[email-masked]>, Alexandra Griffin
    Tom> <[email-masked]> wrote:

    Tom> :3) Another idea from HP-VUE... this environment
    Tom> features a "console :bar" area at the bottom of the screen,
    Tom> containing buttons to switch :virtual desktops, invocation
    Tom> icons for commonly-used apps, small icons

It already exists.  Its called "GoodStuff" and is part of fvwm.  For
example, I prefere to put stuff on the side.  So I have a left
"management" area that contains the following:

==========
|        |
| Xclock |
|        |
|        |
==========  =
|   |    |   | 
|   |    |   |
==========    >  virtual screen manager
|   |    |   |
|   |    |   |
==========  =
             |
             |
             |
             |
             |   
             |
             |
              >  Icon space.  Boarders would be a nice addition...
             |
             |
             |
             |
             |
             |
==========  =
|   |    |   | 
| A | B  |   |
==========   |
|   |    |   |
| C | D  |   |
==========   |
|   |    |   |
| E | F  |   |
==========   |
|   |    |   |
| G | H  |    > GoodStuff buttons
==========   |
|   |    |   | 
| I | J  |   |
==========   |
|   |    |   |
| K | L  |   |
==========   |
|   |    |   |
| M | N  |   |
==========  =

You can set this up however you want, and map about anything to
buttons with any icon.  My only complaint is the default size of
the buttons are too large.  But this is easily changed.
Here is what I have mapped:

A. Previous desktop  B. Next desktop   C. Resize window 
D. Move window  E. Lower window  F. Iconify/deiconify 
G. Kill window  H. Xmagnify   I. xman  J. xmail
K. xfilemanager L. xterm  M. Desk-0 indicator  
N. Exit/Restart/Refresh menu.

Each button has an icon that shows clearly what the button does.
i.e.  Forexample button N shows a stop sign.

By using the side, istead of the bottom, I still have about 1024x910
of my 1152x910 display left.  Leaving me ruffly a square screen area 
to work with.

    Tom> I've been toying with somthing quite similar using fvwm and
    Tom> xfm...the functionality is quite similar if you don't mind
    Tom> using fvwm's virtual desktops.

Whats wrong with them.  I prefere virtual screens to virtual desktops,
but normally I use a combination of both.  i.e. Completely separate
projects go on different desktops, the same project overflows to
different virtual screens.  Since it is a pain sticking windows
switching to another desktop and then unsticking them (the only way
I know to move windows between desktops) virtual screens tend to
be easier.

    Tom> :for system functions (logging out...), and space for a
    Tom> clock, :calendar, Xload bargraph, & other stuff.  The
    Tom> appearance of the bar is :very professional, with little
    Tom> beveled insets for each item.  I'm

You can arrange your desktop however you want.  I agree this should be
much easier to configure.  It took me quite awhile to come-up with
something I think looks just as professional as as the HP-UX
environment.  Even longer to improve on it.  "vuewm" is you can't
load your own background, you have to stick to ugly patterns.  
I much prefere being able to have 'xv" load a random picture from
CD every 5 or so minuites, so I'm not constantly looking at the
same thing.

What is really needed is:

  1. A Null box.  i.e. Something that can be used to mark areas for
     xload, xbiff, and icons even when they aren't present, but as
     far as the window manager is conserned don't exist.

  2. Auto-resume from last session.  i.e.  Each time I end-up opening
     several xterms in one screen, emacs somewhere else, Mosaic, ...
     if fvwm could remember what I had running when I quit and ask
     me to restart them again, it would be quite a timesaver.

                                 Bill

--
<A HREF="    http://physics.purdue.edu/~bcr/homepage.html                  ">
<EM><ADDRESS>  Bill C. Riemers,  [email-masked]   </ADDRESS></EM></A>
<A HREF="           http://www.physics.purdue.edu/                         ">
<EM>          Department of Physics,   Purdue University            </EM></A>

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Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
From: [email-masked] (Stephen Harris)
Subject: Re: Hmmm
Date: 6 Oct 94 11:55:42 BST

Mitchum DSouza ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Hey I'm a fan. Have been so since 0.10. Im sure everyone else joined a bit more

I never did get round to sending the postcard that those early release notes
asked for!  Must remember to do it someday :-)

--
                            Stephen Harris
                   [email-masked]
                       [ but not a physicist ] 
  Opinions are just opinions, and the facts are the facts.  But what are what?

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From: [email-masked] (Elkhoury ...)
Subject: Re: xvnews
Date: 6 Oct 1994 23:01:01 GMT

J.Tench ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Dear all
:       Does any one know where I can get hold of a copy of the source for xvnews.
: Jim T.
: -- 

ftp.mcc.ac.uk:/pub/linux/fimirror/util/X11/contrib/xvnews/xvnews.tar.z

Last time I checked anyways :)

Ciao,

Alex.
[email-masked]

--
Alexandre Naaman                    |  Try out my home page :
Mechanical Engineering Student      |  http://www.polymtl.ca:8001/zuse
Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal     |       /naaman/Mosaic/home.html

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From: [email-masked] (Jay Lewis)
Subject: looking for make
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:50:04 GMT

Can anybody tell me where on sunsite (if anywhere) I can find the make utility?

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Rajib Rashid)
Subject: * DOSEMU Binaries?? *
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:14:37 GMT

Hello:

        I have recently installed Linux on my 25MHz pc with 8MB ram, and
everything seems fine, except I cannot access my stacked drive. I am aware
of the DOSEMU package, but the problem is I cannot compile it because the
linux source is not installed on my system because of limited space. So I
was wondering if I could get the binaries for it from somewhere (if possible
at all) or if someone could send it to me my e-mail. I do not have any
limitations on the size of the mail (although multipart is appreciated).
Once again, I am not sure if it is possible to install only the binaries
without compiling it, so please forgive me if this sounds stupid.

        Thank you very much in advance. Please send your replies to
[email-masked]'.

        Rajib Rashid
        University of Rochester

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Rajib Rashid)
Subject: * Error Mounting File System *
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 94 05:13:37 GMT

Hello:

        I have recently installed Linux on my 25MHz pc with 8MB ram, and
everything seems fine, except once in a while I get this error:

mount cleanudp_creat RPC: portmap failure

        when I try to mount a file system. This does not happen all the time
though. I have not been able to figure out what makes this happen. Does
anyone have any idea or suggestions on why this is happening, and how I can
fix the problem?

        Thank you very much in advance. Please send your replies to
[email-masked]'.

        Rajib Rashid
        University of Rochester

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