Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #903
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 94 17:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #903, Volume #2                 Sat, 8 Oct 94 17:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? ("Jae W. Chang")
  Mail order Linux or CD-roms (Jalal J Jemison)
  Re: Adeptic 1522 vs. 1542... (Roger C. Pao)
  Re: 56.6 Kb simulated with 2 28.8Kb modems. Is it possible? (LEUT Mark Purcell)
  Re: Security hole in smail - be careful! (Jeff Kesselman)
  Ensoniq Soundscape board and Linux? (Kevin Mocklin - ML05-5/E71 - DTN 223-4859 - (508493-4859))
  Re: talk/talkd and ^Z (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
  Re: GCC for the ARM6 (NightHawk)
  Re: kermit on Linux CD - violates copyrights (Adam J. Richter)
  Re: Commercial X servers: here's one (Shawn M Carey)
  RE: [pine] where is spell(1) ? ([email-masked])
  Linux in Australia (Clifford Story)
  Help: Superblock problem. (Roland Isom)
  X Server Terminates --- Caught Signal 11 (Udaya B. Vemulapati)
  Re: PHONE for ACC Bookstore Anyone? (S. Keeling)
  Re: SW Technologies (Jeff Kesselman)
  MISTAKENLY POSTED (Joseph Bevilacqua)
  MISTAKENLY POSTED (Joseph Bevilacqua)
  HHTP/HTML editor for Linux?? (Steven Kornreich)
  Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree ("Eric Jeschke")
  Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree ("Eric Jeschke")
  serial console possible? (Terry J. Klarich)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Daniel Zappala)
  MacLinux (malicia)
  Re: PHONE for ACC Bookstore Anyone? (Carlos Dominguez)
  Re: X vs non-X users? (Mr D R Barlow)
  Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Albert Hui)
  Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom (Anthony W. Kay)

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From: "Jae W. Chang" <[email-masked]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: Thu,  6 Oct 1994 13:15:13 -0400

[email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz) writes:
> I'll have to take your word for it w/ regard to Windows and TrueType fonts.
> I've never been able to stomach the idea of learning to program in that
> environment.  Windows for me is exclusively an applications platform.
                ------------------------------------------------------

Heh, not even that for me except maybe DOOM, play. Most other
applications that I've ever needed to use that weren't readily
available on unix as is or in a workaround form (i.e. even programming
the darn thing myself), I've found to run much much better on Macs w/
much fewer system crashes, etc, than their Windows counterpart.

Jae

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[email-masked] 

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From: [email-masked] (Jalal J Jemison)
Subject: Mail order Linux or CD-roms
Date: 7 Oct 1994 11:58:31 -0600

Does anyone know about a CD-rom version of linux which would
be much easier to install... Or any mail order groups that
mail out linux
Thanks

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From: [email-masked] (Roger C. Pao)
Subject: Re: Adeptic 1522 vs. 1542...
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:34:37 GMT

[email-masked] (Derrik Walker II) writes:

>[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage ]
>[ Author was Derrik Walker II ]
>[ Posted on Thu, 29 Sep 1994 21:21:07 GMT ]

>Since it appears that I can get a 1522 for around $80.00 and a 1542 for 
>around $200.00, what I want to know is why I should get the 1542?  Is it 
>better or more realiable than the 1522?

>I will be using this in a 486 linux work station.

For multi-request operating systems (like Linux), you want the 1542.
It's a bus-master with a local processor.  SCSI requests are processed
without CPU intervention and are done in the background.  The 1522 is
a dumb PIO chip which requires the system CPU to make the data transfers.

Besides, the 1522 driver is async (non-synchronous) SCSI only last time
I checked.  Might have changed by now.

rp94
-- 
Roger C. Pao <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (LEUT Mark Purcell)
Subject: Re: 56.6 Kb simulated with 2 28.8Kb modems. Is it possible?
Date: 5 Oct 1994 16:02:35 +1000

Benjamin John Walter ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : It's in, it should work. You'll need the ifslave program to try it out
: : and probably to do a bit of hackery with dip etc to set it up. Email me
: : if you want the bits

: I'd be interested in seeing them, where can I find them?

Yes a lot of us would like to see the load balancing stuff work in this 
fashion.  Where should we be looking!

Mark

-- 
Lieutenant Mark Purcell         [email-masked]   (016) 282 926
System Adminstrator             [email-masked]
Royal Australian Navy           NIC HANDLE: MP3-AU
X400:"DDA.RFC-822=m.purcell(a)navy.gov.au;O=AARN;A=TELEMEMO;P=OZ.AU;C=AU"

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: Security hole in smail - be careful!
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:03:32 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Martin Bartosch <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>last night I discovered a potential danger to all sites that run smail.
>A quick check on some other sites (thanks to the folks on #linux)
>revealed that most systems are affected by this.
>
>Essentially, the smail bug will allow ordinary users to create files
>anywhere they want to:
>
>
>Assume /usr/lib/sendmail is a softlink to /usr/bin/smail.
>
>$ /usr/lib/sendmail -d -D/etc/i_am_broken noone@universe
>$ ls -l /etc/i_am*
>
>Be aware of this. Some sites even come up with permissions rw-rw-rw-!
>This behaviour is not affected by -smtp-debug.
>
>
>                               Just my $0.02.
>

This sounds like a VERY old BSD bug that was around when I was in college.  
There WAS a fix for it.  Anyone remember what it was?  This is 
potentailly a SCRAY bug for anyoen on the net, as all UNIXsecurity is 
controlled through text files....

Jeff Kesselman

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Mocklin - ML05-5/E71 - DTN 223-4859 - (508)493-4859)
Subject: Ensoniq Soundscape board and Linux?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:56:09 GMT

Hello,

I am thinking about buying the Ensoniq Soundscape sound card, but I
want to make sure it will work with Linux.  Ensoniq says that the
Soundblaster compatibility is done at a software level, so I am not
convinced that the Soundblaster driver will definitely work.  The
harware-howto does not mention the card.

So does anyone have any experience with this card?  Also, how about
the Creative Labs AWE32, or the MediaVision Pro-3D?

thanks,
Kevin

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             | Kevin Mocklin                      (508)493-4859  |
     ________| Systems Engineer                   DTN: 223-4859  |_______
     \       | [email-masked]      MS: PKO3-1/R40 |      /
      \      | Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA, 01754  |     /
      /      |___________________________________________________|     \
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From: [email-masked] (Sam Oscar Lantinga)
Subject: Re: talk/talkd and ^Z
Date: 7 Oct 1994 21:45:51 GMT

Robert Sink ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Yuh.  I've noticed that on all the versions of Linux that I've seen.  I keep
: all my libraries, etc up to date and this still happens even with 1.1.51.

        Wait!!  Mine's fixed!!  I'm using linux-1.1.52, libc-4.5.26
Ncurses... I don't remember.. But!  I'm using talk out of NetKit-B-0.06.tar.gz
which is available from funet.fi, and from dewdrop.water.ca.gov in 
/pub/Linux/Network

Enjoy!
        -Sam

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From: [email-masked] (NightHawk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: GCC for the ARM6
Date: 7 Oct 1994 20:18:48 -0400

Heinz Wolter ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Has anyone used the GCC to generate code for the ARM6 or may Acorn?
: I know this isn't strictly a linux question, but this is misc. and I 
: found a bunch of references and files refering to the ARM2/3/6 codegen
: for GCC on my YGGdrassil linux cdrom...
: I've got a Newton and would like to find a way to compile for it using
: my linux boz rather than a macintoy of dos/winblows (whenever apple 
: feels like getting off their butts and porting the NTK and CC to Intel..)

Maybe. I am not familiar with ARM. But I saw some ARM supports in gcc
and gas+binutils.

NH

: thanks, heinz

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From: [email-masked] (Adam J. Richter)
Subject: Re: kermit on Linux CD - violates copyrights
Date: 8 Oct 1994 02:21:11 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Wallace Roberts <[email-masked]> wrote:
>although i still see vestiges of kermit in the new release, such as a
>.kermrc file in /, & it's still advertised on the cover of your manual,
>
>    The 76,323 files in this complete plug-and-play operating system include:
>
>    [ ... ]
>
>    Telecommunications: kermit, Z-modem, Taylor UUCP.

        You are not referring to a "new release", but rather to the
old Summer 1994 release (the current one is Fall 1994).  When we
discovered that kermit was unfree, the manual had already gone to
press, but the CD's hadn't.  The Fall 1994 manual cover does not have
this problem.

        Thanks for pointing out the .kermrc file, I have removed it
from the tree that will be used to make the next release.

-- 
Adam J. Richter                           Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated
(408) 261-6630                            "Free Software For The Rest of Us."

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From: [email-masked] (Shawn M Carey)
Subject: Re: Commercial X servers: here's one
Date: 8 Oct 1994 15:34:15 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Andrew R. Tefft <[email-masked]> wrote:
>This may already been well known, but I thought I would post.
>The October Uniforum Monthly has an ad for and a blurb about
>a server from X-Inside called Accelerated X which runs on Linux,
>SCO, Solaris, FreeBSD, and others. It is an X server only. 
>
>They claim "highest performance", with truecolor, and 
>up to 1600x1200 resolution (not on all hardware, of course).
>
>No numbers or useful details except price is $199 (which seems steep).
>Email [email-masked]. Maybe I'll see if they will send me a review
>copy for a Linux Journal review :-)
>

I can confirm this to a degree.  I was a beta tester of this server
(for FreeBSD), and it's undoubtedly faster than the XFree S3 server:

Orchid F1280+ (1MB, ISA):
XF86_S3 (XFree-2.1)     Xaccel-1.1
63k xStones             155k xStones

Given the quality of the software, I'd say the $199 isn't too
unreasonable.  They also offer a 50% student discount.  I'll be buying
a copy as soon they release Motif for FreeBSD (which shouldn't be
long).  Just incase you're wondering, I am in no way affiliated with
X-Inside Inc., except as a soon-to-be customer :-).

-Shawn Carey

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [pine] where is spell(1) ?
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 07:41:07 GMT

In Article <[email-masked]>
[email-masked] writes:
>
>  Hello.
>
>  I just noticed that the Pine binary I have on my pC does not 
>spell-check.
>
[Chomp]
>
>  Bill

You need to find a spell checking program that is compatible with `spell'.
I use gnu ispell-4.0, which is the obsolete version of ispell, but is
compatible with spell.  ispell-3.x is the newer, better version (don't ask),
but is not compatible.  You should still be able to find ispell-4.0 on gnu
sites like sunsite.unc.edu.

Good luck,

Dave
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From: Clifford Story <[email-masked]>
Subject: Linux in Australia
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 16:19:28 GMT

Is there a source for Linux in Australia, other than the net?
I may be moving there in the near future (a lot nearer than I
had expected...)  What I'm after is a place to buy a CD-based
distribution such as the InfoMagic.

If anyone can respond to this question with an address or a 
telephone number in Australia, please send it to me by e-mail,
since I'm losing my net access along with my job...  I'm at
[email-masked].  Thanks!

                                           Cliff

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Roland Isom)
Subject: Help: Superblock problem.
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:41:09 GMT

Here are some more info for the problem that I've posted
earlier.  Upon reading the "EXT2FS-FAQ" and doing some more
testing, I've discovered that my superblock is still good.
I use the command: "e2fsck -b superblock" to see that the
file system is still in good shape.  However, the following
error message is shown when the kernel attemp to mount the
root filesystem.
        .
        .
        .
        ll_rw_block: Trying to read nonexisting block device 0801
        Minix-fs: Unable to read superblock
        ll_rw_block: Trying to read nonexisting block device 0801
        EXT2-fs:  Unable to read superblock
        .
        .
        Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01

Then the system freeze.  Now if I boot from my default boot floppy
disk, it can mount the root fs and I can access the data on it without
any problem.  Any hints as to what's going on?

Tri
Please email the above account or at [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Udaya B. Vemulapati)
Subject: X Server Terminates --- Caught Signal 11
Date: 6 Oct 1994 18:21:34 -0400

I'm running Linux 1.1.50 with (I think) XFree 3.0 version. When I do some
operations, my server used to die and report "Caught Signal 11. Terminating".
        Initially, I was not able to repeat it. Now I think I can. I login
to my Sun (running 4.1.3) through ppp. Set the environment variable to
my linux display. If I invoke "cm" (the calendar manager program), it 
(meaning the server) just dies. 
        I know that "cm" requires some "open-look" fonts which are not
available on my server. But I doubt that is causing the server to crash.
        Any pointers as what it may be? Thanks in advance.

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From: [email-masked] (S. Keeling)
Subject: Re: PHONE for ACC Bookstore Anyone?
Date: 6 Oct 1994 20:32:37 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>,  <edg@tt740 > wrote:
>Does anyone have the phone for ACC Bookstore? They are Linux CD/book
>disktributors.
>^^^^^^

        800-546-7274, 800-546-7274      fax: 203-454-2582
-- 

 [email-masked]       s. keeling,   aecl - whiteshell labs

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: SW Technologies
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:17:01 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Mr John Shaller <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>Personally, I think the requirements from Jonathan is just too much. 
>Everyone in the Linux world know that Linux is provided "AS IS", you try 
>it at your own risk. 

This is your one point i strongly disagree with.  FI someone is going to 
try to make a business out oif shipping pre-configured Linux statiuons, 
then they assume QA headaches.  Otherwise, what makes their 
'preconfigured' system worth the extra money v. my going out and building 
a machine out of parts and a Linux CD-ROM???

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From: [email-masked] (Joseph Bevilacqua)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,aus.computers.linux
Subject: MISTAKENLY POSTED
Date: 8 Oct 1994 04:57:24 GMT

My apologies to all of you out there.  I accidentally posted two requests to
see if anyone wanted my modem and box of OS/2.  I'm new to the Internet and
somehow attached my posts to someone elses (in the form of a reply).  The person
had cross-posted (it seems) to practically every Usenet from Australia to Russia.
Mine, unfortunately, went along for the ride.  I had not intended those posts
to go to most of the forums in which they ended up.

The responses I got from those posts ranged from very earnest parties
interested in the items I had... to many who politely alerted me to my 
cross-posting error... to (quite disturbing to me) angry and insulting people
who blindly assumed I had done it deliberately.  Some of those posts
actually spewed forth obscene language at me (and they had the nerve of accusing 
"me"of misusing the Internet!

To all of you who stumbled upon my two posts and foundthey they did not belong in your
forum, again I am truly sorry for the mistake.  It won't happen again.

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From: [email-masked] (Joseph Bevilacqua)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,aus.computers.linux
Subject: MISTAKENLY POSTED
Date: 8 Oct 1994 04:58:14 GMT

My apologies to all of you out there.  I accidentally posted two requests to
see if anyone wanted my modem and box of OS/2.  I'm new to the Internet and
somehow attached my posts to someone elses (in the form of a reply).  The person
had cross-posted (it seems) to practically every Usenet from Australia to Russia.
Mine, unfortunately, went along for the ride.  I had not intended those posts
to go to most of the forums in which they ended up.

The responses I got from those posts ranged from very earnest parties
interested in the items I had... to many who politely alerted me to my 
cross-posting error... to (quite disturbing to me) angry and insulting people
who blindly assumed I had done it deliberately.  Some of those posts
actually spewed forth obscene language at me (and they had the nerve of accusing 
"me"of misusing the Internet!

To all of you who stumbled upon my two posts and foundthey they did not belong in your
forum, again I am truly sorry for the mistake.  It won't happen again.

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From: [email-masked] (Steven Kornreich)
Subject: HHTP/HTML editor for Linux??
Date: 8 Oct 1994 17:49:10 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Is there a compiled HTTP server and HTML editor available for Linux? If  
so, what ftp site?
Thanks

--
Steven Kornreich
Kornreich Communications
[email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: "Eric Jeschke" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 10:32:32 -0500

[snip, snip]
:>Some ideas along this line that I've thought about:
:>
:>1) A mouse-driven tool for setting common X resource preferences would
:>be *very* helpful, even for experienced users (kind of a big project,
:>I know).  

:I don't think this is too hard, and it is a good idea.  
: 

Hmmm, something along the lines of editres or viewres?  These come
with the standard X distribution.  Check them out.  They have the
option of writing your choices to file.

:>3) Another idea from HP-VUE... this environment features a "console
:>bar" area at the bottom of the screen, containing buttons to switch
:>virtual desktops, invocation icons for commonly-used apps, small icons
:>for system functions (logging out...), and space for a clock,
:>calendar, Xload bargraph, & other stuff.  

:Again, GREAT -- along with what you can do with .xinitrc, can do this.  There
:is also another program out there that does things like this.  Can't 
:remember the name, but check them out as they show up. 

Also, fwvm pager + modules do most of these things.  

:Much of your suggestions are really already available, and I don't see any
:interest in somehow standardizing them.  Making such bells&whistles available
:is one thing, making them ubiquitous is another.  Don't just assume that,
:if it isn't in slackware, it's not available.

If there was a default "standard" GUI available on most distributions
it would be possible to write a introduction to Linux (a la Welch)
from a GUI perspective.  Whether this is a good idea or not depends on
your ideas about how to teach Unix.  IMHO, I think you can wean newbies
off of the mainstream PC OSes more easily with a good GUI and then let
them gradually cut their teeth with more and more command-line.

In short, I think the original poster's idea is good, but he should
definitely look around first and consolidate as much "good stuff" that
is already available as possible.  It might be a good idea to make a
GUI "mini-distribution" (package) that just contains a standardized
GUI setup (GREAT + fvwm + customized *rc files + selected GUI apps).

My .02c

-- 
Eric Jeschke                      |          Indiana University
[email-masked]            |     Computer Science Department

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From: "Eric Jeschke" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 10:43:43 -0500

[email-masked] (Dan Newcombe) writes:

:To put it simple...X at it's defaults is UGLY!   Even when you add fvwm to it, 
:it's still kinda ugly...it's just to damn bland.

Beats default Windows and Mac appearance, IMHO.  But then, I like the
look of Athena3d and TK better than Motif so I may have strange tastes.

:>1) A mouse-driven tool for setting common X resource preferences would
:>be *very* helpful, even for experienced users (kind of a big project,

:Isn't there an app that comes with X that does this? I remember one that shows 
:a tree of resources that you can set right on that screen.   Of course, the 
:thing to do then would be to grab the resource database and save it into 
:.Xdefaults for the user.

You're probably thinking of "editres" and "viewres" which come with the
standard X distribution.

:I don't know about that...but this goes back to the program that I mentioned 
:earlier.  It changes things on the fly.  I wish I could remember the name.  
:It's one of the standard X apps.  I don't think anything has to be specially 
:compiled, but I've been wrong before :)

[see above]

:Since you mentioned drop-in replacements:  One suggestion would be to 
:automatically include Xaw3d instead of plain old Xaw.

Good idea.

:       xsetroot -fg red4 -bg black -bitmap /usr/include/X11/bitmaps/escherknot
Neat!

-- 
Eric Jeschke                      |          Indiana University
[email-masked]            |     Computer Science Department

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From: [email-masked] (Terry J. Klarich)
Subject: serial console possible?
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 03:39:27 GMT

Is it possible to assign the console to com1 or com2?  

I asked this question before in comp.os.linux.admin and got one response.  The
response I received told me about the ability to have lilo talk through one of
the serial ports.  SO, if anyone has any more info concerning a serial console,
please let me know.

-- 
Terry Klarich (KI5ZW)
A man is not complete until he is married; then, he is finished.

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Zappala)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 6 Oct 1994 19:52:54 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Sam Brown) writes:
> picked up a dx-2-80 amd, works great. $210 was my cost $320 w/green vlb 
> motherboard. extremely stable and fast
> 

I have an AMD 486DX-40.  Any news on an add-in from AMD to turn this into a
486DX2-80, or do I need to buy a whole new chip?

Daniel

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From: [email-masked] (malicia)
Subject: MacLinux
Date: 8 Oct 1994 15:40:54 GMT

 A friend would like to run a free *nix on his Mac powerbook with a 68040 chip.
We found a reference to MacLinux.  Is anything happening with it? If so where
can it be found?

thanks

digger

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From: [email-masked] (Carlos Dominguez)
Subject: Re: PHONE for ACC Bookstore Anyone?
Date: 6 Oct 1994 23:05:30 -0400

edg@tt740 wrote:

: Does anyone have the phone for ACC Bookstore? They are Linux CD/book
: disktributors.
: ^^^^^^

sheesh.. I just spent a few hours working with Bob Young at the NYC Linux 
Users Group booth at UNIXEXPO, and cant remember his number.... arggh!

send email to [email-masked] and he'll be happy to answer any
questions.
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  ---------------------------   Internet services consulting is our forte

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From: [email-masked] (Mr D R Barlow)
Subject: Re: X vs non-X users?
Date: 8 Oct 1994 12:26:27 +0100

In article <[email-masked]>,
        [email-masked] (Charles Blair) writes:
>   This leads to a more general question.  I wonder whether we are
>approaching the point where software for the two kinds of linux/unix
>users will split the group.  I can't suggest any particular fix.
>As a matter of curiosity, I wonder what the X/non-X ratio is.

You realise you've opened the way for a flood of followups along the lines
>>>>I use X
>>>I don't
>>I do
>Me too!
AND ME!!!!!  1TS K00L!!!!!11!!  

Maybe Harald "Linux counter" should start collecting the statistic.  I
don't see that there is enough linux-and-X-specific software for a
split to happen.  Sure I run X (there's one data point for you :-) but
of all the things I regularly run under it, only emacs and xdvi open
their own window

Have you tried the emtex previewer under dosemu?  I keep hearing that
various people have managed to get various dos extenders to run with
it, but don't know the details.  I realise it's not exactly an ideal
solution, but surely neither is rebooting?

Daniel

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From: [email-masked] (Albert Hui)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
Date: 8 Oct 1994 15:50:39 GMT

[email-masked] (Bill C. Riemers) writes:
>>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Wilson <[email-masked]> writes:
>  1. A Null box.  i.e. Something that can be used to mark areas for
>     xload, xbiff, and icons even when they aren't present, but as
>     far as the window manager is conserned don't exist.
Not sure what you mean.  Does the Fvwm module Icon Manager do that?
Is the "IconBox" param in .fvwmrc what you want?

>  2. Auto-resume from last session.  i.e.  Each time I end-up opening
>     several xterms in one screen, emacs somewhere else, Mosaic, ...
>     if fvwm could remember what I had running when I quit and ask
>     me to restart them again, it would be quite a timesaver.
The FvwmSave module is supposed to do this.  I recommend the much
smarter xtoolplaces, part of olvwm.

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From: [email-masked] (Anthony W. Kay)
Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom
Date: 8 Oct 1994 08:52:25 -0700

I just downloaded XFree 3.1. Doom was playable before (Under XFree 2.1, 
it was a little choppy), but now it is EXACTLY as fast as the DOS version. 
I am running a 486DX33, and a VLB cirrus 5426 based video card.

Heck, it's even pretty fast in the double pixel mode!

Definite browniew points for the XFree team...Good work!

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