Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #904
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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 94 21:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #904, Volume #2                 Sat, 8 Oct 94 21:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Lynx under Linux (Bryan Vold)
  Re: Split this group! (.help) (Eric Youngdale)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Rob Malouf)
  Re: Diamond Stealth 64 PCI drivers (Joseph Stanley (Joe Wisniewski))
  Re: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development (Mr D R Barlow)
  Yggdrasil Fall '94 Linux CD-ROM (Ambarish Malpani)
  Re: Mosaic for Linux? (Michael_Nelson)
  Re: How to pronounce Linux?? (Kevin Lentin)
  DOes Linux runs Xenix binaries? (andrea gozzi)
  Xcalendar - seg fault (Bill McCarthy)
  Re: DooM: Sound but no Music? (Terry Evans)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Terry Lambert)
  Re: New Linux Distribution (Erik Troan)
  ftp and telnet freeze! (Ted Harding)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Jay Ashworth)

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From: [email-masked] (Bryan Vold)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.misc,comp.infosystems.www.providers,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Lynx under Linux
Date: 5 Oct 1994 12:37:09 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>,
Mubashir Cheema <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>I have noticed that when I run Lynx under Linux all available
>options get highlighted instead of the ones I move my 
>cursor to. 

Download the sources for the newest version (lynx2-3-1).  It has 
the linux-ncurses entry that I submitted.  They sort of screwed up
the entry though.  Edit the Makefile and find the entry for
linux-ncurses.  You need to add -DFANCY_CURSES to the defines, this is
the option which allows the nice looking (highlighted, not reversed)
links.  I have also changed my setup to use optimization (makes a large
difference in the speed! ;-) ).  Then compile with:

make linux-ncurses

>The guest account automatically recognizes the terminal type of
>user logging in. If for some reason it can't, it prompts the user
>for that information. I do not suspect that the guest account is
>not detecting the terminal type correctly, since I see the same 
>behaviour when I run lynx on my machine under xterm, vt100 etc. on
>this machine. 

Don't know about this one.

-Bryan
-- 
[email-masked]               "The relentless pursuit of perfection"
Linux -- The Choice of a GNU Generation  "Make it so, Number One." 

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From: [email-masked] (Eric Youngdale)
Subject: Re: Split this group! (.help)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 22:15:09 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Wolfgang Schelongowski <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>The bottom line is that we're being overwhelmed by loads of information:
>>mostly FAQs, dozens of responses to the same question, and posts in
>>inappropriate places. New groups will not solve the problem because they'll
>>simply provide "new clean cultures for bacteria to grow".
>
>>The solution in my opinion is three-fold:
>
>[details bobbitted]

        Good god - this has become a verb even in Germany.

>>This is an instance where information overload is clogging up the ability to
>>transfer relavent information back in forth in a resonable manner.
>
>>Comments?
>
>Your implicit assumption and that of most other posters in the preceding
>thread is that such newsgroups must be under the Big7 i.e. comp.*. 
>
>Drop that assumption and create _regional_ groups. There are two
>that I know of, i.e. aus.computers.linux and de.comp.os.linux. I don't
>get the former one except via crosspostings, but I do read the latter
>one. 

        I would like to second this.  Splitting rarely accomplishes anything
because so many people cross-post, and it does nothing about the fundamental
problem which is that there are simply too many posts for most of the active
developers to follow.  By creating regional groups, the local experts can
assist their own local users, and the load is low enough that it is not
overwhelming.

-Eric

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 17:48:59 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (David Barr) writes:

>>Of course, this is all moot for Linux, since there *is* no multilingual word
>>processor for Unix (though some stabs are being made in that direction).
>
>Hm, FrameMaker has had multilingual support for a while now.
>(currently Brazilian Portuguese, US and UK English, Canadian French,
>Catalan, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Italian, Norwegian,
>Nynorsk, Portuguese, Swiss German, Spanish, and Swedish)

Those are all ISO 8859-1 languages.  You can get those without even
trying.  I'm talking about things like Japanese, Arabic, Greek, and
so on.  While multilingual in one sense, apps that do the languages
you're talking about are basically just using a single (Latin) script.

Guys, the race is on to capture growing markets in China, India, and
perhaps Russia and Islamic countries, and Unix is way behind the Mac
(WorldScript) and NT (Unicode); probably behind NeXTStep, too, though
I don't know what they've been doing lately....

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              [email-masked]
   [email-masked]          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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From: [email-masked] (Rob Malouf)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 8 Oct 1994 16:58:42 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Richard L. Goerwitz <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Also, I'd like to know what form TeX will accept those alternate languages
>in.  If it will accept, say, Unicode, and will allow me to use an editor
>that displays "foreign" characters correctly on the screen (going in the
>correct direction), then I'd say TeX has made it into the 90s.
>
>So far I've not seen evidence of this.  But then I only check on such
>things about once a year.  I don't have time to follow what has been, for
>many years now, a dead end.

TeX has never cared about ASCII.  All it cares about are charcodes,
its own internal representation of what characters "mean", and these
can easily be changed.  For example, I once wrote a small TeX file to
map the accented characters on a VT220 to the appropriate accent +
character sequence.  That way, I could enter accented characters using
a two-key compose sequence, and they appeared in the editor and in the
final printed form as a single accented character.  The only
limitation is that TeX can only handle 8-bit characters.

This capability has always been with TeX, and in fact it was one of
its original reasons for being.  When it was developed, Stanford
University had terminals with odd extended keyboards that included
keys for many common mathematical symbols.  TeX was designed so that
these terminals could be used to their full potential.  Now, I agree
that this feature of TeX is not well exploited, but that is another
issue.  Right now I am working on an IPA console font for Linux and a
LaTeX style file to go with it.  Once I get it done I will be able to
type up my Dagaare word lists without having to type a single
backslash.

(P.S. Sorry if this is hard to follow.  I'm only on my first cup of
coffee.)

Rob Malouf
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Joseph Stanley (Joe) Wisniewski)
Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 64 PCI drivers
Date: 6 Oct 1994 13:18:21 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Allen S. Harris) writes:
|> I purchased a new computer a couple of months ago including
|> a Diamond Stealth 64 PCI video card.  I have since decided
|> that linux is a very good thing, and would like to put it
|> on my machine.  Problem: xfree doesn't support the 
|> Diamond Stealth 64.  I don't blame them, but I would still

I had read that Diamond finally loosened up and gave the the XFree folks what
they needed to support Diamond cards. I can't remember where I read it, so I
can't go back for more definite information. Sorry.
 
|> like to run x in extended video modes (1024x768 would be
|> nice).  Does anyone know what options are available to me?
|> ie are there specs available for the Diamond Stealth 64
|> so that I might (gulp) write a driver for it.  I know that
|> Diamond's non-disclosure policy kind of hampers that 
|> possibility, but I am hoping that there are other people
|> out there who would like to/ are running linux with the
|> Stealth 64.
|> Any help would be _greatly_ appreciated.
|> Thanks,
|> Scott Harris
|> 
|> --
|> email at: [email-masked]
|> 
|> 

-- 
  Joseph S. Wisniewski  |  The views expressed are purely my own, and do not
   Ford Motor Company   |  reflect those of the Ford Motor Company, or any of
    Project Sapphire    |  its affiliates.
[email-masked] |  "any color you want -- as long as it's black"

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From: [email-masked] (Mr D R Barlow)
Subject: Re: Flame on the attitude of Linux towards GCC development
Date: 8 Oct 1994 22:18:15 +0100

In article <[email-masked]>,
        [email-masked] (Xiaojun Zhu) writes:
>I want to start a flame here. Please feel free to flame me as well.

In three newsgroups?  That was a constructive thing to do, wasn't it?

>I have just waited for so long and tired to hear about RSN.  I am also 
>wondering the RSN is how soon?

Sometime after it successfully compiles XFree, I'd hope.

>I have some template class code which compiles perfectly 
>well under gcc 2.6.0 but failed under gcc 2.5.8, I don't even have
>the opportunity to become the bug reporter, you are not suppose
>to report a bug in gcc 2.5.8 which doesn't occur in gcc 2.6.0 any more.

If you want to run gcc 2.6.0, join the gcc channel, install the
snapshot releases as they are available and test it.  I'm sure your
bug reports (should you find any bugs) will be appreciated.

Suggesting that everyone else should run it too, on the other hand, is
stupid.  Not smart at all.

>There are alwyas some kind soul offers to put the newer version in an
>FTP site, please Don't say don't, OK! That's your personal opinion.

It is on an ftp site.  Join the GCC channel and find out where.  

>Flame with me or flame me!!! It's a free world, isn't it?

Do you not have anything better to do?

Daniel

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From: [email-masked] (Ambarish Malpani)
Subject: Yggdrasil Fall '94 Linux CD-ROM
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:06:48 GMT

Hi Netland,
        Just bought the Yggdrasil Linux CD-ROM. Am having major problems installing
stuff. Has anyone else had a similar experience or any advice?

I have a Pentium PC with a Soundblaster 16 bit card and a Mitsumi CD-ROM. For some
reason, when I tried to boot from the Yggdrasil floppy, it would refuse to recognize
my CD-ROM. (My CD-ROM is a port address of 0x230 and an interrupt(IRQ) of 11).

The only way I could get to the CD-ROM was to first boot to DOS (after commenting out
my HIMEM and EMM drivers and some soundblaster stuff).
Once I had the basic DOS up, I had to do runlinux from the CD-ROM.

Once I got things running this way (after many painful hours), I tried installing as
much of Linux as possible on my hard drive. The installation scripts for the
components of Linux seems broken - I kept getting errors of File not found etc.
Finally, I wrote a shell script to do a lot of the installation by hand.

The Linux still doesn't recognize my CD-ROM unless I boot through DOS. My machine
still hangs if I try to run Linux directly from the disk (without having the CD-ROM
available) - I seem to still not have some of the files needed at bootup.

Are my problems due to Linux, Yggdrasil or my stupidity/hardware?

Please help/comment,
Ambarish

[email-masked]

P.S. Is anyone at Yggdrasil listening?

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From: [email-masked] (Michael_Nelson)
Subject: Re: Mosaic for Linux?
Date: 4 Oct 1994 01:45:44 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Daniel MORRISON ([email-masked]) wrote:

-> I've been trying to compile NCSA Mosaic under Linux 1.1.13 and having no luck.
-> I can't seem to configure it properly - can't find a bunch of files in an Xm
-> directory.  Can anyone help?

        You need the Motif package (not included with Linux, but available
for about $150) in order to compile Mosaic.  If you don't have Motif and
don't want to buy it, you can get a version of Mosaic that is compiled with
static libraries from sunsite or tsx-11... it works just fine under Linux
and does NOT require you to have Motif.

                                - Michael -
--
Michael Nelson                          [email-masked]
San Francisco, CA                           FAX: 1-415-621-2608

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Lentin)
Subject: Re: How to pronounce Linux??
Date: 4 Oct 1994 01:57:29 GMT

Inge Cubitt ([email-masked]) wrote:
> Kevin Lentin ([email-masked]) wrote:

> : Personally, one thing that does get on my nerves is people pronouncing it
> : 'Linix' which just seems completely non-sensical.

> Is that 'linn icks' or 'line icks' ?

:-) Both really. Although the first annoys me more than the second.

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From: [email-masked] (andrea gozzi)
Subject: DOes Linux runs Xenix binaries?
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 23:44:10 GMT

The title says it all...

Thanks...

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From: [email-masked] (Bill McCarthy)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Xcalendar - seg fault
Date: 3 Oct 1994 22:11:14 -0400

Hiya:

Just ftp'd xcalendar from sunsite - pub/Linux/X11/xapps/datebooks. Uncompressed
and untarred okay. Followed the README re cp-ing the files to the appropriate
places. Typed xcalendar & and got segmentation fault. This, quite frankly, is
the first time I have had this happen, so I'm really not sure what to do to
remedy the problem. Hints/suggestions? TIA!

Bill McCarthy
[email-masked]

"Isn't it pretty to think so."
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT\__Jake Barnes___________________________
LinuX + i486dx2/66 
usual disclaimer 

   

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From: [email-masked] (Terry Evans)
Subject: Re: DooM: Sound but no Music?
Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:17:10 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Raymond Kraft ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Somebody posted a message about this a little while ago, but I
: didn't see any solutions posted.  In particular, I'm running xdoom
: under Linux 1.0 with the 2.9 sounddriver and a SoundBlaster 16 ASP.
: I hear all the sound effects, but I don't hear any music.  I made sure
: the the music volume slider was turned up, so that does not appear to
: be the problem.

: If anyone else has encountered this and has any kind suggestions, I'd be
: grateful.  Thanks in advance.

: -- 
:                       
:                                        -Ray Kraft
:                                         Seattle, Washington
:                                         [email-masked]

I have the exact same problem on my SB16, as do many other people.  I
understand that Hannu (the designer of the VoxWare sound drivers) is
working on getting the music working for DOOM.

Terry Evans
[email-masked]

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This is a sample .sig file

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From: [email-masked] (Terry Lambert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: 7 Oct 1994 06:14:35 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Harf) writes:
] [email-masked] (Po-Han Lin) writes:

[ ... ]

] >4) more compliance to POSIX (I think standards are good, or am I wrong)
] 
]       Linux is more compliant to POSIX.

Prove it.  What output did you get when you ran NIST PCTS and/or VSX?

I think any claims of standards conformance without going through a
validation suite and acceptance process is specious no matther which
group the claims come from.

Same thing goes for iBCS2 or other ABI conformance, for that matter.

                                        Terry Lambert
                                        [email-masked]
---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.

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From: [email-masked] (Erik Troan)
Subject: Re: New Linux Distribution
Date: 6 Oct 1994 13:42:32 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Josef Dalcolmo <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Charles Blair <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>   I suspect a lot of novice users never use sed and awk, and that many
>>more use vi.
>
>I doubt vi appeals to a windows user. Sed and awk may be replaced by a more
>general and better readable scripting language: python.

It won't appeal to the Windows user, but it will appear to the Unix guru
the user asks to help fix a problem. It's not Unix w/o vi.

Don't forget less used. Python may be good, but it's not ubiquitous. If you
leave out sed and awk you're breaking a lot of shell scripts. How many
makefiles use sed or awk in them? None of those will work if you remove them.

Erik

-- 
============================================================================
"Like a fool I let dreams become great expectations" - Chess

        Erik Troan = [email-masked] = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt

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From: Ted Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: ftp and telnet freeze!
Date: 8 Oct 1994 20:58:14 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

For what it may be worth, can I report the following. Running DIP/SLIP
from Linux machine A (at home) I can telnet easily to non-Linux machine B
(local Univ mail server) and while logged in to machine B can telnet 
easily to Linux machine C (in my office). While thus logged in to C,
I can monitor (ps -ax) what is happening on C.

Now I try to telnet direct from A to C. At A I get the message
"connected to C.C.C.C", and it hangs.

On the other channel, I do "ps -ax" at C, and get the following:

 2009  ?  S     0:00 -A.A.A.A: connected

where in the above "A.A.A.A" etc are the FQDNs of the machines.
And there it hangs. Is this a clue? (I should add, that the same hang
occurs if the "telnet C" from A is the only activity.) Both A and C
are running Slackware Linux 2.0 (A = 1.0.8, C = 1.0.9).

Ted.                                     ([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked] (Jay Ashworth)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 8 Oct 1994 13:19:10 -0400

[email-masked] (Brad Matthew Garcia) writes:
>I heard that AMD's version is more reliable than Intel's, and that many
>people have overclocked it to 80 MHz with no problems.  There was even
>a rumor going around that AMD would start to sell them as 486DX2-80's.
>If you see an AMD 486DX2-80 system for sale, I guess the rumor is true.

In the current Computer Shopper.  From at least 5 different vendors.
Guess it's true...

Or, maybe it _is_ a new chip.  Either way... I guess it's fast enough for
me...

Cheers,
-- jr 'Vrrrrrrrroooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm' a
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth       High Technology Systems Consulting              Ashworth
Designer             Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation        & Associates
ka1fjx/4                                                       +1 813 790 7592
[email-masked]  "Hey! Do any of you guys know how to Madison?"      NIC: jra3

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