Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #914
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Date: Mon, 10 Oct 94 20:13:15 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #914, Volume #2                Mon, 10 Oct 94 20:13:15 EDT

Contents:
  Re: PPP vs SLIP? (Andy Burgess)
  Removeable-media support in Linux ? (Randy Zagar)
  Hardware Compatability Guide for linux? (Pete Stromberg)
  Re: Real stupid question. What is Motif?? :) (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (H. Peter Anvin)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (James A. Robinson)
  Why does Slackware ship with an old version of joe? (zachary brown)
  Re: How to let normal users run SVGALIB programs (SOLN) (H. Peter Anvin)
  Re: Next InfoMagic Linux CD's? (Mike Wanggaard x2434)
  Commercial desktop for window ? (david her)
  Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ? (Paul Bash)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Sergei Naoumov)
  VLB? (Michael Dirkmann)
  Re: :( lockups (System Administrator)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! - AND UNFREEZE KLUDGE (System Administrator)
  Re: Removeable-media support in Linux ? (Bob Salita)
  YGGDRASIL? (Michael Sj|gren GCT)

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From: [email-masked] (Andy Burgess)
Crossposted-To: comp.protocols.isdn
Subject: Re: PPP vs SLIP?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 10:22:28 -0700

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Peter Mutsaers) writes:
>Especially when ISDN is getting through with its very fast dialing and
>one second resolution billing dial-on-demand becomes a must for PPP.
     ^^^^^^

Is this a typo or is someone really billing in seconds (VS minutes)?

-- 
Andrew A. Burgess                                    [email-masked]
Free UUCP email/newsfeeds, Santa Cruz CA area, mail [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Randy Zagar)
Subject: Removeable-media support in Linux ?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 20:08:57 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I haven't seen this anywhere, but I was wondering if
Linux supports any removeable-media drives like Syquest
or Bernoulli drives...

-Randy

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From: [email-masked] (Pete Stromberg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Hardware Compatability Guide for linux?
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 94 13:20:10 CET
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Pete Stromberg)

Hi!
I'm planning to by a PC to run linux on.

1. I understand that there exists a guide on which hardware I can
use with linux.

2. I'd also like some options on where to buy a good linux-bundle.
On CD prefferably. Opinions on shich one is the best are appreciated.

3. Also it would be nice to receive a FAQ for the linux groups. So
that a posting such as this one shouldn't be sent by me again, wasting
bandwidth.

Many TIA!

/Pete aka _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/
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From: [email-masked] (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
Subject: Re: Real stupid question. What is Motif?? :)
Date: 10 Oct 1994 14:44:55 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Joseph W. Vigneau) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Martin Eggen <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>>As the subject says.. Can someone tell me what Motif really is, since
>>everyone is talking about it..? :-)
>
>There is often much confusion on what Motif is.. I'll try to sum it up here.
>
>Motif (from the Open Software Foundation) consists of three major parts:
>
>1) mwm, which is a window manager for the X Window System.  It attempts to
>   look and feel similar to the Microsoft Windows' window manager (Alt-F4
>   means quits by default, etc.)
>
I don't know that the intention of Motif is to look like Windows.  That may fit
into the definition of libel.  It looks nice, with a real 3-d feel and 
useful menus & shortcuts (configurable as well).  It's also more or less
the standard for many commercial unix systems, except perhaps Sun.

>2) It is also a set of libraries to make programming simpler, and to allow
>   applications to have a simlar look and feel to one another.  You can
>   usually tell if an application is Motif based if it has a menu bar, and
>   the buttons have a three dimensional appearance.
>
And if it works well, but exceedingly slowly...  Actually, dynamically linked
Motif apps are pretty responsive, better from my experience than OpenLook
and Xview in both speed and reliability.

>3) It is a set of conventions to specify how programs should interact with
>   the user.  This is the least obvious, as not many programmers follow
>   them, but the OSF does distribute it's Style Guide...
>
>Motif is available for Linux from various distributors.  SWiM comes to mind
>(from the ACC bookstore..)  I don't have this, nor do I know anyone who
>does, so I can't comment on quality or whatever...

I use MetroLink.  It's good stuff.
>
>Comments? Questions? 
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked] (H. Peter Anvin)
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Reply-To: [email-masked] (H. Peter Anvin)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:27:48 GMT

Followup to:  <[email-masked]>
By author:    [email-masked] (Brad Matthew Garcia)
In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
> 
> In some cases, the old chip must be yanked and the new chip inserted in
> its place.  So it updates a 486-33 computer system to a 486-66, but the
> chip itself is replaced.
> 
> I know there are (for some systems) ways to upgrade w/o yanking the old
> chip.  Does anyone know more about these, or was I misinformed?
>

Yes, there is a chip with fit in a "487" socket (which is just a
486DX2/66 with a different pinout).  It disables your old 486, so if
you keep it in the system it is just a very expensive heating element.

        /hpa
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From: [email-masked] (James A. Robinson)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 15:41:43 -0400

>The question is how to accomplish this?

I would think you need to ask yourself how this word processor will
differ from things already around (EZ, Doc, etc...).  Once you have a
set of proposed ideas on what it needs, what exists, and what needs to
be implemented, you can start looking for the right language
combination to handle this.

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From: [email-masked] (zachary brown)
Subject: Why does Slackware ship with an old version of joe?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 16:01:58 -0400

I use Slackware and really like it, but I'm curious why it has not upgraded
joe. I know at least version 2.2 is out, but Slackware only ships 1.0.8. The
only reason I care is because joe 1.0.8 is a little buggy (e.g., search and
replace on large files can cause out of memory errors without swap being
touched).

I did an archie when I wanted to install joe on a non linux system and found
ftp.std.com: /pub/src/editors in case anyone's interested in a newer
version.

-ZB-

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From: [email-masked] (H. Peter Anvin)
Subject: Re: How to let normal users run SVGALIB programs (SOLN)
Reply-To: [email-masked] (H. Peter Anvin)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:00:07 GMT

Followup to:  <[email-masked]>
By author:    [email-masked] (Tom Cross)
In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
> >
> >Arguably.  It is however the only way to run svgalib programs as
> >non-root.  The problem isn't the tty permission, it's the fact that
> >svgalib does direct port access.  
> 
> Couldn't you use sudo?  sudo allows you to setup certain users to use
> certain programs with root permissions.
> 

It doesn't solve the problem, though; it actually creates a worse one
since it makes the real UID be root, too.

Most likely, the way to handle this is to split svgalib into two
parts: svgalib, a stub library using IPC (such as shared memory), and
svgasrv, a privileged (setuid root) server.  Initializing the svga
system would then involve setting up relevant IPC channels, firing up
svgasrv, and then the functions in the stub library would simply be
feeding instructions to svgasrv.

This is how X avoids this problem: only the X server needs root
privileges, not individual clients.

        /hpa
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From: [email-masked] (Mike Wanggaard x2434 )
Subject: Re: Next InfoMagic Linux CD's?
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:52:35 GMT

>While your dates might be correct (I don't know), the info about content 
>is not.  It will have Slackware 2.0.1 -- and not the Pro version which 
>is currently distributed exclusively by Morse Telecommunication.  (The 
>difference is that the Pro version has special scripts to allow you to 
>run the system off the CD-ROM without having to be a Linux guru and make 
>all the symbolic links yourself)
>
>Pat

I was wondering if anyone could provide me with the version(s) of XFree that
will be shipping on the infomagic CD-ROM.  I am particularly interested in
knowing whether it will contain the Diamond Viper server.

Oh, and I'm also wondering if it's still $20 as it was last time.  I'd 
appreciate it if someone with an info-sheet would send it to me, the last
time I tried to communicate with infomagic.com the mail bounced back.

Thanks,
Michael M. Wanggaard
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (david her)
Subject: Commercial desktop for window ?
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:11:20 GMT

is any desktop software available either freeware or commercial in market ?
Please send me information. Thanx in advance.

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From: [email-masked] (Paul Bash)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Linux Plug and Play CD ver1.1 ?
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 22:29:13 GMT

I mentioned this to Jeff in email, but in case anyone else has any interest
left in this subject:

The post that Jeff responded to, about the link problems with Yggdrasil, was
an intermediate version of my final post that slipped out before I could 
catch it. My second post that starts off the same, has quite a bit more
specific information about the problems with Yggdrasils CD-ROM install
that I intended to post. Sorry for the confusion, but I guess that's what 
I get for posting at 3AM :-) 

If you want to ignore the first one and read the second, good. If you want
to read them both and compare my editing effort, suite yourself. If 
you just read the first and skip the second, you'll probably wonder just
what I'm talking about (just like Jeff). I actually do make it quite clear. 
-- 
Paul Bash   
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Sergei Naoumov)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 8 Oct 1994 05:12:01 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:
>[email-masked] (Miguel Alvarez Blanco) writes:
>>
>> Really? This must be in your own field, because some journals of the
>>APS, like Physical Review, accept LaTeX documents by e-mail (in source!)
>>and use LaTeX in producing the final document.
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong.  I thought that TeX was originally designed for
>CS types and mathematicians.  For people in the vast majority of academic
>disciplines it's not exactly ideal.  Like I mentioned before, it's very

I feel that there is a general tendency of natural sciences to move
towards LaTeX. The example with journals is good. One more: by the year
of 1997 ALL basic astro journals will be published in an electronic
form. LaTeX was picked up as a thing to work with.

>irksome to me to have to preview to see my Arabic or Greek or Hebrew in
>its native font.  I also prefer to be able to switch keyboard layouts on
>the fly within my word processor app, so I can touch type in any language
>I know how to do that in (just two :-(, but still you see what I mean).

It can be easily done with XEmacs. LaTeX is not a text processor. It's a
different thing -- typesetting system.

        Sergei

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Dirkmann)
Subject: VLB?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 20:18:51 GMT

Hiho!

I know that there was a discussion about the question I want to ask
but at that time I was not interested too much into it so I missed it.

Can anybody tell me if there is increase of speed using a
VLB-controller instead of an ISA-controller? 

And the same question for graphics.

Thanks a lot

     Michael

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From: [email-masked] (System Administrator)
Subject: Re: :( lockups
Date: 8 Oct 1994 22:25:09 GMT

G. Browning ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hey all, 
[snip]
: from time to time my linux box locks up for no appearant reason.  I
: have checked the log files and nothing there is really relavent. I
: made sure that things that were recently added were removed and the
: like.  Basically what happens is if I telnet to it it states it was
: connected, but nothing happens after that.  If I try access gopher
: it says nothing is available.  If I go to the console it has a login
: prompt and I try to login, no password prompt appears.  Any clues?

[other stuff deleted]

Welcome to the club!  See at least 10 other posts under various threads of
telnet/ftp/inet/whatever problems on this and other newsgroups.  There's a
lot of us having this problem.  No one seems to have answers. 

George Nemeyer          ([email-masked])
System Administrator
Tigerden.com

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From: [email-masked] (System Administrator)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! - AND UNFREEZE KLUDGE
Date: 8 Oct 1994 22:32:20 GMT

Steve Kneizys ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Yuri Trifanov ([email-masked]) wrote:

: : > We are using SLIP!  And the problems we see are not *after* a connection
: : > is successfully opened, it is one of the system *refusing* connections
: : > (apparently).  Nearly all functions handled by inetd seem affected: 
: : > telnet logins, rlogins, ftp attempts, smail connections, attemps to do
: : > zone transfers from named by our provider's router, you name it.  Things
: : > work fine *most* of the time, but the login problems are the most
: : > persistant and visible.  In those cases, the system log *usually* shows
: : > 'connect from...' but the user never gets a prompt, or never gets a
: : > password prompt after entering username.  Netd entries in the log are
: : > 'connection refused' mostly. 

: :  you could be having problems with the resolver and tcpd, which comes
: : turned on by default in at least some distributions. if it can't
: : resolve the inaddr of the connecting host it will refuse the
: : connection.

We've done extensive work with the nameserver setup.  I don't think this 
is the cause.. more a symptom.

: I see the freeze and I only use Etherlink III 3c579 cards on the same
: wire as 3 VAXes, including our domain's name resolver.  Telnets from
: the domain resolver VAX to the Linux freeze, as does FTP, finger,
: smtp, rlogin.

I've seen it when accessing the main machine from both the local ethernet 
connecting about 8 machines, and when accessing by telnet/ftp/etc through 
the SLIP link from our service provider.  This tends to rule out the SLIP 
link or external network problems.  Everything *seems* to be pointing to 
the low level daemons and/or kernel.

--- George

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From: [email-masked] (Bob Salita)
Subject: Re: Removeable-media support in Linux ?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 18:52:16 -0500

Randy Zagar ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I haven't seen this anywhere, but I was wondering if
: Linux supports any removeable-media drives like Syquest
: or Bernoulli drives...

I use Syquest 270M removables but as my non-removable C drive. It works
on every O/S I tried (although Xenix unmounts and "ejects" in certain
situations). Don't know how it would do as a removable cartridge. Seems
like you should be able to remove if you unmount first.

Bob

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From: Michael Sj|gren GCT <[email-masked]>
Subject: YGGDRASIL?
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 16:35:41 +0100 (MET)

Hi, fellow netters!
We're about to install net connections to our standalone PC's and MAC's. 
Novell was an option, but expensive. So I turned to LINUX as a unix 
server in a TCP/IP environment. As I understand the Yggdrasil package 
comprise mail daemon, printer queue daemons and NFS (or NFS-like). This 
is what we need.

a) I would be EXTREMELY grateful for any advice on buying the package.
b) Is there a manual (internet) for this specific package.
c) Does anyone know a cheap solution that would give us access to 
internet, i.e. what PC client software do we need? Again I find PC/TCP a 
wee bit expensive.

I apologise if some of the info required can be found as FAQ's, but I'm 
asking on a specific pack, i.e. YGGDRASIL.
MTIA
mike

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