Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #918
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 17:13:21 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #918, Volume #2                Tue, 11 Oct 94 17:13:21 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Michael Goddard)
  Re: AFS Linux? (Dan Pop)
  DOOM 320x200 RES NEEDED (Crimson)
  upgraded RAM/HD now lpd doesnt work (Steve Heistand)
  Re: LINUX on an Mac Centris 610 DOS machine (Mr D R Barlow)
  Re: PHONE for ACC Bookstore Anyone? (russ mcelroy)
  Re: [Q] SW Technology, How to reach SWT?it (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
  EtherExpress PRO Driver?? ([email-masked])
  Re: adding a dumb terminal (Carsten Menke)
  Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system? (Lam Dang)
  comparative listing of distributions? (Scott Anderson)
  Re: DX2-66 @ 80MHz (was: AMD mystery chip etc. etc.) (Kevin Doherty)
  Need bootdisk that will accept 32 head drive (1.1.45 kernel or later) (Bob Oesterlin)
  Re: Why does Slackware ship with an old version of joe? (Bill West)
  Re: Idek 8617 + ???? @ 1280x1024x(76-80)Hz (Mary Shenk)
  Re: GNU libc extensions (readline) - How to link? (Mitchum DSouza)
  WARNING: Xfree-3.1 XF86_Mach32 may damage non-green monitors! (Andreas Koppenhoefer)
  Re: Boot disk -> Root disk (Andreas Koppenhoefer)
  Re: Where to get Slackware 2.0.1? (Stormy Henderson)
  Q: own Bootdisk with Ramdick ? (Stephan Duhl)
  Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system? (Steven M. Doyle)
  Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Jim Duncan)

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Goddard)
Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
Date: 8 Oct 1994 03:44:59 -0700

In article <1994Oct5.141142.773@muvms6> [email-masked] (Andy Bailey) writes:
>
> Hi, 
>   Over the past year now, I have spent lots (moist likely far too much) time
>playing with Linux. A great deal of this time has been spent of adjusting
>look and feel aspects of the OS... [8<]
 >...                               What I would like to do is discuss, with
>some other interested people, various configurations that they are using for
>fvwm, that they feel provide unique functionality. Also, since fvwm provides

        I agree,

        Linux is extremely slick and cool -- much more so in my opinion than
        anything MS has to offer.  In fact, due to "some problem with the 
        RAM in your [my] machine", OS/2 won't run but Linux runs just fine.
        (Yeah, I know, OS/2 is IBM, right.  Still, I don't like Windows).
        
        Anyhow, why I'm here is to suggest you take a look at GREAT.  GREAT
        is, I think, available in the /BETA or /ALPHA directory on sunsite
        and/or tsx-11.mit.edu.  It was done (actually, not quite finished yet)
        by some guys at the Free Software Association of Germany.  It has a 
        cool little bar that goes across the bottom of your screen, called
        "gpanel", that has a clock along with icons you can use to start
        help, xterms, news, filemanager, calculator, mail, etc.   So, I say
        you should check out GREAT.

        Michael Goddard
        [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Dan Pop)
Subject: Re: AFS Linux?
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:17:10 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Michael J. Tanenhaus) writes:

>Anyone heard if this will be ported?
>
AFS is proprietary software. If you have a source code licence from
Transarc, you can port it and use it for yourself. 

AFS was already ported at MIT and they're trying to sort out a way of
distributing it (at least to the sites having AFS licences) with
Transarc.

Dan
--
Dan Pop 
CERN, CN Division
Email: [email-masked]
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

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From: [email-masked] (Crimson)
Subject: DOOM 320x200 RES NEEDED
Date: 11 Oct 1994 10:55:36 -0500

I am looking for a 320x200 reslution to run Doom for linux.  I have a 
Cirrus Logic 5428 chipset and Goldstar 14" .28 SVGA monitor.  The
clock speed I presmue I'll use is 25.23, but I have yet to get anything
to work.  The monitor's horizontal scan freq is about 31.5.  Any
suggestions?

[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Steve Heistand)
Subject: upgraded RAM/HD now lpd doesnt work
Date: 11 Oct 94 13:43:07 GMT

Hi,
Back when I had 8M and only one drive my printer worked
just great.  But now that I have 16M and 2 hard drives it
doesnt.  DOS prints just fine but not linux.  I thought
I read something once about the second hard drive using
a weird interupt number that might interfere with lp1.
But tis is just me grabing at straws as to why my lpr
doesnt work.

lpc always says no daemon present, even after a enable all 
start all.  I can get the lights on the printer to flash
is I set /dev/lp1 to use interupt 7 using tunelp
but nothing comes out.  If I use polling nothing happens.
but cat'ing to /dev/lp1 will always work.
confused.
steve

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From: [email-masked] (Mr D R Barlow)
Subject: Re: LINUX on an Mac Centris 610 DOS machine
Date: 8 Oct 1994 12:32:39 +0100

In article <[email-masked]>,
        [email-masked] (Damir Smitlener) writes:
[linux on a PC board in a Mac]
>Having asked this myself, the replies I received all said...Nope, won't
>work. Apparently Linux needs to see an IDE floppy (? Why ?) or it has to
>boot from an IDE hard drive. They don't sound like particularly good
>reasons to me, but that is what I've been told.

They don't sound much like reasons at all, although please don't
go out and buy hardware cos I said so :-)

I can see that you probably wouldn't be able to access the floppy from
Linux and you might have to write your own disk controller driver, but
if you were to put a kernel on a DOS partition and use LOADLIN to
start it, you'd at least be running Linux.  Mounting the root
partition is left as an exercise for the reader.

Daniel

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From: [email-masked] (russ mcelroy)
Subject: Re: PHONE for ACC Bookstore Anyone?
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 94 03:48:06 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> edg@tt740  writes:
>Does anyone have the phone for ACC Bookstore? They are Linux CD/book
>disktributors.
>^^^^^^
>

ACC Bookstore :   1-203-454-3242    (works the world over)
                                                                        1-800-546-7274    (only good in the USA)

-- 
Russ McElroy                                                    Qualicum Beach 
[email-masked] | VE7AJH @VE7FMY.#NVI.BC.CAN.NA            BC, Canada #*#

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From: [email-masked] (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: [Q] SW Technology, How to reach SWT?it
Date: 9 Oct 1994 14:00:39 GMT

Marvin Wu can be reached via e-mail at [email-masked] or by phone
at (214)907-0871.

E-mail is probally best.  The good thing about Marvin is that he
sincerely tries to make things right.  What more can you ask for
in an uncertain world!

Just a repeat customer........that's all.....

lmr ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Because so may happy people around, I am considering to buy something from
: SW. But how can I reach them (any 1-800 number, and where are they?

: I requested a catalog from Fintronic and had problem to figure out
: what they have.
: -- 
: Liming Ren                       |
: Dept. of Mathematics             |  231 West 18th Avenue
: The Ohio State University        |  Columbus, Ohio43210

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: EtherExpress PRO Driver??
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 94 17:53:00 PDT

Does anyone know of a way to get support for an Intel EtherExpress PRO (Not 
EtherExpress 16) under Slackware? Any info would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks
Ryan R. Donovan
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Carsten Menke)
Subject: Re: adding a dumb terminal
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 02:09:25 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Joseph W. Vigneau <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Ka-pui Ko <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>>I am thinking of adding a dumb terminal to my machine that is
>>running Linux. I have an old 286 machine with serial port, with
>>monitor, with keyborad. 
>>
>>Is that any additional hardware that I need to get? How do
>>I config the Linux to recognize that a dumb terminal exits?
>
>On the 286, you'll need a terminal program (Qmodem, Telix, etc...)
>Get a null-modem cable to connect the machines.
>
>In your /etc/inittab, create or uncomment a line that says
>
>s1:45:respawn:/sbin/agetty 19200 ttyS1
>                           ^^^^^ ^^^^^
>                            (1)    (2)
>
>1)  Change to the highest speed you can reliably receive                          |
>2)  Change to which serial port you want to hang the 286 off of.
>
>Then do an init 4 or init 5 (or just reboot), and you should get a login
>prompt on the terminal.
>              
>-- 
>[email-masked], [email-masked]          WPI Computer Science     Linux!
>    <a href="http://www.wpi.edu:8080/~joev"> Click Here! </a>

If you are running at runlevel 6 you have the make the following change:

original:
s1:45:respawn:/sbin/agetty 19200 ttyS1

changed:
s1:456:respawn:/sbin/agetty 19200 ttyS1

Carsten
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From: [email-masked] (Lam Dang)
Subject: Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system?
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 13:50:53 GMT

Jeff Kesselman ([email-masked]) wrote:

[cut]

: This blocking business is an implementation detail. I don't think its a 
: terminology issue.  This whole discussion goes to illustrate my OTHER 
: point (deleted) that the terms thread, task and process are often used in 
: different ways.  The whole area of terminology is muddied, this is 
: PARTICULARLY true when referrign to 'threads'.

For historical perspective, in IBM's MVS a "job" runs in its own address 
space.  Each job consists of multiple, concurrent "tasks" which share the
same address space.

And, just like today's threads, MVS tasks do get in each other's way, and 
reading dumps is still a required skill in MVS shops.

-- 
Lam Dang
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Scott Anderson)
Subject: comparative listing of distributions?
Date: 11 Oct 1994 10:10:41 -0400

This has got to be a FAQ by now, but I don't find it anywhere...

is there a comparative listing of the distributions, as far as ease of
installation, feature set, etc?

please reply by email, i've wasted enough bandwidth with this request :)

thanks in advance,
-scott

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked] (Kevin Doherty)
Subject: Re: DX2-66 @ 80MHz (was: AMD mystery chip etc. etc.)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 13:52:11 GMT

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR) writes:

>Perhaps one of those Peltier Junction devices would fit?
>       Just a thought.

Just buy one 'o those small 1-2 cubic foot refrigerators and modify it
into a PC enclosure.  That way, your WHOLE machine runs cooler, and you
have someplace for beer besides.......

This is only half a joke, BTW - I actually considered doing this to try
to get my (Intel) DX2-66 to run at 100 MHz.  It runs fine at 80; when I
try to speed it up more the external cache fails.  Chips run faster at
the cooler end of their environmental range, by a factor of 20% or more.

Another way to speed things up is to crank the voltage up a bit.  5V chips
often work fine up past 7V; works fine in the lab, though I'm hesitant to
do it to my machine at home.  Heat becomes an even worse problem as well.

(I know the above from job-related testing of standard commercial devices
in liquid nitrogen.  At -200 C we would routinely get a 2X improvement in
device speed.)

PS: Ran some benchmarks on my nominally 80 MHz machine; I saw only a 6%
speedup in CPU-intensive tasks.  This implies that I'm RAM limited, not
CPU limited.  BUT my video performance went up 16%; I suspect because my
VLB is running at the new bus rate.
-- 
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  Kevin Doherty           E-Systems/Melpar Division   [email-masked] 
  Principal Engineer      Ashburn, VA  22011          (703) 729-6000x3675

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From: [email-masked] (Bob Oesterlin)
Subject: Need bootdisk that will accept 32 head drive (1.1.45 kernel or later)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:16:31 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm doing a fresh install on a system with a 540 meg drive that has
32 head. All the bootdisks I can find only work on drives with 16
heads. I know the 1.1.45 kernel fixes this, but I can't make it
because I don't have a system to install.

Does anyone have a boot disk that has a 1.1.45 or later kernel? An
ftp site would do just fine!

Thanks, Bob

=====
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IBM IPNET: [email-masked]        Internet:[email-masked]
Phone: (507)-253-4528 (tie) 553-4528     ICBMNet: 44N 92.5W

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From: [email-masked] (Bill West)
Subject: Re: Why does Slackware ship with an old version of joe?
Date: 11 Oct 1994 14:05:37 GMT

Patrick J. Volkerding ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,
: zachary brown <[email-masked]> wrote:

: This is incorrect.  Slackware 2.0.1 contains Joe version 1.0.12, which I 
: think this is the latest version.

I got and installed Joe version 2.2 last week on my linux box and it is well
worth doing the upgrade:-) There is also a new version for dos out and it
works just as good as the UN*X versions (bye-bye does editor).

--
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Bill West
Houston TX
email: [email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (Mary Shenk)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Idek 8617 + ???? @ 1280x1024x(76-80)Hz
Date: 5 Oct 1994 21:25:44 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Bryon G. Rigg <[email-masked]> wrote:
>I am purchasing an Idek 8617 monitor and want reccommendations for a video
>accellerator.  The Idek reports to have refresh rates up 80Hz for 1280x1024.
>I am looking for a card that can support this.
<snip>
>I have looking at prices and foound the ATI Ultra Pro 2Mb (Mach 32) fits
>within my operational and monetary constraints.  Can this board give me
>the refresh rates that I am looking for?
>

Depending on your exact XConfig, you can expect 74-76 hz at 1280x1024 at
the maximum pixel clock of 135 Mhz.  Not too many cards go higher, and I
imagine they may be more expensive--you sure as hell don't want to be
running that sort of clock on a DRAM card, to start with.  There may be s3
928 cards w/higher clocks (in your price range).  For the record, I'm using one
(GUP) at 1280x1024 and 74-75 hz on a 21" and it's pretty rock-solid.  Grey
vertical edges occasionally exhibit some pulsation...wouldn't really call it
flicker.  Most will, I believe, find something in the 76hz range functionally
equiv to 80 or so.  YMMV.

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From: [email-masked] (Mitchum DSouza)
Subject: Re: GNU libc extensions (readline) - How to link?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 10:50:33 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] writes:
|> I decided to write some C code using the GNU libc extension, readline.          
|> But when I compile (even with -lgcc as the last arg on cmd-line):               
|> poly-render.c:75 (/tmp/cca004401.o): Undefined symbol _getline                  
|>  referenced text segment                                                        
|> So I tried "cd /usr/lib; nm lib* | grep readline" and it wasn't there.          
|> It would seem readline (and other GNU libc extensions) aren't in the            
|> standard shared libs?  I have Slackware 1.2.1 - soon to be upgraded,            
|> but that's where my D series came from - 1.1.51 kernel and sundry other         
|> upgrades too :)save                                                             

getline() is not in 4.5.26, but is in the upcoming 4.6.x library.
 
|> Is there a way to include the symbol without linking?  I was able to            
|> create a .o file without difficulty.  It wasn't in the GCC-FAQ, so              
|> I ask :)                                                                        

Just link in the object you were able to compile for the time being.

Mitch

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,de.comp.os.linux
From: [email-masked] (Andreas Koppenhoefer)
Subject: WARNING: Xfree-3.1 XF86_Mach32 may damage non-green monitors!
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:10:20 GMT

Hello out there,

first of all I want to notice that Xfree86-3.1 runs fine with my ATI
Graphics Ultra PRO Mach32 together with a Sony Multiscan 17se (it's a
"green" monitor with powersaving capability).

While running 'startx -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach32 :0 -bpp 16' and
about 10 minutes of inactivity the screensaver blanked out my
screen. And surprisingly my monitor went into powersaving mode.
That's exactly what I want to get.

But... I've never enabled any powersaving option!

While running 'startx -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach32 :0 -bpp16' (which
is a 8-bit server -bpp 8) my monitor doesn't switch to powersaving
mode while screensaver is active!? Why not?

And here's the problem: What if my monitor wouldn't like powersaving
signals? I suppose *NON-GREEN*MONITORS*MAY*GET*DAMAGED* by this behavior!

Whow can I enable powersaving signals with -bpp 8 server and whow to
disable with -bpp 16 ???

The man-page states a option keyword for XConfig-files, but mach32
server doesn't recognize. In the announcement for Xfree-3.1 one can
read that green-functions are not yet available for mach32!??

Ok, someone out there who can clarify this behavior? I've not enough
disk space to hold Xfree-source. Therefore I'm not able to check
sources. Please don't blame me for this warning posting. It's a caveat
from someone who has already blown two brand new monitors this summer :=(

- Andreas

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prefered languages: German, English, C, perl ("Just another Perl hacker,")
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From: [email-masked] (Andreas Koppenhoefer)
Subject: Re: Boot disk -> Root disk
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:28:22 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Pramod Koshy) writes:

   The problem I am having is that the boot disk makes a Ram disk and then
   boots the system from RAM. Then it tells me to load the root disk which also
   works fine. After this when I try to run the fdisk , it says "out of memory"
   .Having only 4 MB of RAM , i need the command that disables the ram disk and
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   loads the boot, root from the floppy. The information accompanying the
   distribution  I have does not give me any information on how to do it. Can
   somebody please help me.

You should try 'ramdisk=0' option at lilo prompt. Don't forget to
specify your bootimage at first.

Andreas
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prefered languages: German, English, C, perl ("Just another Perl hacker,")
SMTP:   [email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (Stormy Henderson)
Subject: Re: Where to get Slackware 2.0.1?
Date: 11 Oct 1994 05:35:57 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Marten Liebster wrote:

   A few weeks ago, there was a post about Slackware 2.0.1.  It was
   the release with all the kernels from 1.0.9 to 1.1.50 and XFree86
   3.1 on it.  

Whoever said that was quite mistaken.  I have Slackware 2.0.1 myself, I'm not
sure how high the kernels go (NOT to 1.1.50, 1.1.18 or 1.1.38 sounds familiar),
but the version of X it comes with is 2.1.1.

It's on ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/linux/slackware/slakware/

Be happy...

- Stormy the happinator     "The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ
                             Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
  Reply to:                  Shall lure it back to cancel half a line, 
  [email-masked]       Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it."

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From: [email-masked] (Stephan Duhl)
Subject: Q: own Bootdisk with Ramdick ?
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:37:45 GMT

-- 
Hi all,

I want to create my own Bootdisk with a Ramdisk, like the Slakeware Boot/Root
disks. But i haven't found any traget in the Makefiles of the kernel-source.

I don't want to use my HD to boot. Ich will spezify the programs copying to
the Ramdisk, and i want to use my own kernel.

How can i create such a disk(s) ?

so long Stephan.
=======================================================================
Stephan Duhl                           email: [email-masked]
                                           University of Kaiserslautern

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From: [email-masked] (Steven M. Doyle)
Subject: Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system?
Date: 9 Oct 1994 04:49:50 -0700

In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman) writes:

>In article <wcreator.781683125@kaiwan009>,
>Steven M. Doyle <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Al Longyear) writes:
>>I am somewhat confused on this issue.  What exactly is multi-threaded?  And
>>are multi-threaded and multi-user mutually exclusive?

>So yes, UNIX is multi-threaded in the sens that there are multiple threads
>of control operating in a time-sliced fashion.  The term 'threading' is
>often used in multi-tasking system however to denote a 'lesser form' of
>multi-taskign that goes on completely within a single process.  thsi is
>also sometimes called 'light-weight multi-tasking'.  UNIX (and Linux)
>don't inhearently preclude this, but implementation of it is up to the
>makers of a light-weight tasking library (such as the berkley light-weight
>multi-tasking library) or teh compiler system in cases where light-weight
>multi-tasking is built directly into the compiler system (as in Modula2). 

Ahhh, I see :)  People are always throwing the fact that OS/2 is a
"multi-threading" operating system -- I never saw the point...  I would
think that there's not much of an advantage. Oh, well... :)

>All of the above are generalizations.  If you REALLY want to know more 
>then you can pick up an intro operating systems text.  Particularly 
>useful would be one that discuss UNIX in detail.

>Jeff Kesselman

Will definitely do that....  I'm planning on getting into Linux kernel
hacking one of these days :)

-wc
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Jim Duncan)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 06:36:06 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Myron Uecker <[email-masked]> wrote:
>    I am wondering how many of the shell scripts haven't been updated to
>match the new release.
>
I just installed it today and have been discovering these here and
there. You start an executable and then get complaints about "No
such file or directory" and then have to manually shuffle things
around. This release seems in some ways less satisfactory than the
Summer issue (but some things are better of course). It's a little
sloppy.  

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