Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #923
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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 94 14:13:14 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #923, Volume #2                Wed, 12 Oct 94 14:13:14 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system? (Jeff Kesselman)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  X-window help in Linux (please) (Franco Gerace)
  Commercial CD packages (Kevin Penrose)
  Which distribution on CDROM and Sony CDROM support? (G.J.Heezen)
  Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (zachary brown)
  Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?) (Chris Bitmead)
  Microsoft Keyboard users? (Jason A. Philbrook)
  Re: PHONE for ACC Bookstore Anyone? (ACC Corp.)
  Help !! Kernel compile problems (wayne e. smith)
  Can't compile W.R. Stevens's book Adv. Prog. (Stryder)
  smail configuration woes... (Douglas Lenz)
  Re: Removeable-media support in Linux ? (Don Rubin)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (John Palaima)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD ([email-masked])
  Re: LOCAL: Meeting for Linux Enthusiasts in Atlanta (Dan Newcombe)
  Re: X-window help in Linux (please) (Chabane Rezzik)

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system?
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 08:38:10 GMT

In article <wcreator.781683125@kaiwan009>,
Steven M. Doyle <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Al Longyear) writes:
>
>>[email-masked] (Keith Kee) writes:
>
>>>Is linux a multithreaded operating system?
>
>>No. It is multi-user.
>
>I am somewhat confused on this issue.  What exactly is multi-threaded?  And
>are multi-threaded and multi-user mutually exclusive?
>
>Ever confused.... =)
>-- 

You SHOUDL be confused, because so was the last poster!  :)

Linux is a UNIX work-alike.  In these matters it is very similar. UNIX is 
a true pre-emptive multi-tasking operating system. This means that 
multiple 'processes' may be run at once and that they share the available 
resources, such as the CPU.  A program will be one or more processes (a 
program can 'fork' itself to start new processes. Thsi is hwo most daemons 
operate.)  Because you can run many process at once, you can run many 
programs, or many copies of the same program at once.

UNIX implements multi-user access by running a seperate 'shell' process 
for each user.  (There are actually other process invovled too, such as 
getty which handles the terminal io, but thats more detail then you 
probobly need.)

So yes, UNIX is multi-threaded in the sens that there are multiple threads
of control operating in a time-sliced fashion.  The term 'threading' is
often used in multi-tasking system however to denote a 'lesser form' of
multi-taskign that goes on completely within a single process.  thsi is
also sometimes called 'light-weight multi-tasking'.  UNIX (and Linux)
don't inhearently preclude this, but implementation of it is up to the
makers of a light-weight tasking library (such as the berkley light-weight
multi-tasking library) or teh compiler system in cases where light-weight
multi-tasking is built directly into the compiler system (as in Modula2). 

All of the above are generalizations.  If you REALLY want to know more 
then you can pick up an intro operating systems text.  Particularly 
useful would be one that discuss UNIX in detail.

Jeff Kesselman

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From: [email-masked] (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: 9 Oct 1994 04:03:11 -0600

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.

Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <[email-masked]>  (urgent email: [email-masked])
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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From: [email-masked] (Franco Gerace)
Subject: X-window help in Linux (please)
Date: 12 Oct 1994 10:13 -0500

I managed to install X on my linux box and seem to have configures Xconfig 
properly.  So upon starting "startx" everything runs smoothly.  My question 
is, when I exit X, i see the message . . . 

"xinit: unknown error (errno 0) client error"

What is this aerror for.  Everything seems to work fine but this is bugging 
me.

Also, does anyone have any mwm-like system.fvwm configerations I could use. 
 There are a few in the slackware distribution, but I'm sure ther must be 
some real hot ones out there.

--Thanks

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin Penrose)
Subject: Commercial CD packages
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 12:51:49 GMT

A quick question if I may...

Running linux, with a CD-ROM, can one access (read) commercial cd's such
as encyclopedia's, atlases, etc.

Don't want windoze if I don't need it!

Thanks, 
Kevin

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Kevin M. Penrose                                  Email:  [email-masked]
Merrill Lynch                                     World Financial Center - NT
212-449-5712                                      New York, NY   10281-1314

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From: [email-masked] (G.J.Heezen)
Subject: Which distribution on CDROM and Sony CDROM support?
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:57:01 GMT

Hello,

I can buy different distributions of Linux :

Snow and Yggdrasil.

Does ananbody know, which one is the best?

Second, does Linux support Sony CDROM players?

Hope, somebody can answer these questions.

Jan Heezen

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From: [email-masked] (zachary brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 12 Oct 1994 10:50:50 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>,
Mat Ballard <[email-masked]> wrote:

>more seriously, i'd like to suggest that what is needed, particularly
>to appeal to the average dos/win user, is a series of useful and capable
>applets, in roughly this order of need:
>
>       0. a very simple editor, like "notepad";
>       1. a word processor: maybe similar to "write";
>       2. a spreadsheet: similar to "quattro pro dos";
>       3. a paint program: similar to "paintbrush";
>       4. a draw program: something the drawing package in "amipro";
>       5. a pim / calendar: something better than "calendar", but simpler
>          than "organiser";
>       6. a database: like DBase 3;.
>

If the whole point is to give linux things that windows has already, why not
just wait for WINE? Running the programs they already know and love will
appeal much more strongly to the average dos/win user.

About a year ago (as someone already mentioned in this thread), some people
tried to write a WYSIWYG LaTeX interface. If something with that kind of
power is not the object of this discussion, whoever takes this project on
will just be wasting their time, in my opinion. There may be no WINE before
its time, but I think WINE will be running word for windows long before a
comparably powerful packages can be put together for Linux. The lead is just
too great.

I think that rather than trying to appeal to the dos and windows users, this
project should follow the Unix tradition of doing things right.

There is no need to appeal to the dos and windows users. They are flocking
to Linux almost as fast as they are hearing about linux, and the reasons are
growing daily. But I for one would hate to see Linux turned into merely a
multitasking dos. One of the evils of Word and WordPerfect etc., is that you
can't without great difficulty, work on files in a different word processor.
They do this and other things on purpose, to make you dependant on their
program.

I suggest that people reconsider a WYSIWYG LaTeX interface, keeping in mind
that it would not have to contain every LaTeX feature in order to be useable
and to create LaTeX output. There would be no need to know LaTeX, yet it
would be there for manual tweaking and editing with vi at your friend's
house. Also, it already exists and is an exceptional package. Why reinvent
the wheel? Just put a motor on it and watch it go.

Just my opinion.

-ZB-

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From: [email-masked] (Chris Bitmead)
Subject: Re: Linux <-> Hurd (was: How Old Is Linus?)
Date: 12 Oct 94 15:41:47

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (zachary brown) writes:

>NNTP-Posting-Host: lynx.dac.neu.edu
>
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Chris Bitmead <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Andi Kleen) writes:
>>
>>>In article <[email-masked]>,
>>>Axel Boldt <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>Jiann-Ming> Why would Linux go away?
>>>>
>>>>Hurd, maybe? Are they planning an 486 version at all?
>>>
>>>Hurd is being developed on a Compaq 386.
>>
>>Hurd is available for 386, but I thought it was being developed on DEC
>>Alpha. 
>>
>I thought it was supposed to eventually be hardware independant.

The hurd is (mostly) hardware independant, but the underlying Mach
micro-kernel is not.

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From: [email-masked] (Jason A. Philbrook)
Subject: Microsoft Keyboard users?
Date: 12 Oct 1994 16:15:38 GMT

Has anyone used the new microsoft keyboard (funky shaped thing) with
linux sucessfully? I might get one soon as this keyboard is about to
die. If anyone has, have you got the new symbol key to work?

No general comments about Microsoft please.

Thanks,
Jason Philbrook

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From: [email-masked] (ACC Corp.)
Subject: Re: PHONE for ACC Bookstore Anyone?
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 14:50:27 GMT

In Article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Mark Bolzern) wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,  <edg@tt740 > wrote:
>>Does anyone have the phone for ACC Bookstore? They are Linux CD/book
>>disktributors.
>>^^^^^^
>>
>>Ed Gonzalez
>>[email-masked]
>
>203-454-3242 Tel
>203-454-2582 Fax
>

I suppose we should add to this thread...

ACC's phone numbers and contact info is:

(800) 546-7274  This is good in the North America 
- ie Canada and Mexico as well.

(203) 454-5500 This is a new local # although 454-3242 will also work.

Fax: (203) 454-2582

email:  [email-masked]

regular mail:  ACC Corp. 136 Riverside Ave,  Westport CT, 06880-4606

Cheers,  Bob.

ACC Bookstores
"Home of the PC UNIX - Linux Catalog"
1 (800) 546-7274
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (wayne e. smith)
Subject: Help !! Kernel compile problems
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 14:14:51 GMT

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From: [email-masked] (Stryder)
Subject: Can't compile W.R. Stevens's book Adv. Prog.
Date: 12 Oct 1994 02:25:49 -0400

I'm trying to compile the examples in the book "Advanced Programming in the
Unix Environment", by W. Richard Stevens.  If anyone has been able to do this,
I'd appreciate some tips.

Thanks.

[email-masked]
_____________________________________________________________________________

                        Imagine there's no heaven.
                        It's easy if you try.
                        No hell below us,
                        And above us only sky.

                                       John Lennon
_____________________________________________________________________________

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From: doug@interaccess (Douglas Lenz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: smail configuration woes...
Date: 12 Oct 1994 05:50:57 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I'm currently connecting to the internet via a dialin PPP connection.  I've
configured smail to route mail through my PPP host as a smart_host (I'm using
it right now), but it only works if I'm actually connected via PPP.  If I
try to send mail while I'm not connected, I get the following:

|------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------|
 [email-masked] ... transport smtp: connect: Network is unreachable
|------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------|

I've tried using the 'retry' file and durations in my smail config, but it
insists on dying if my PPP connection is not up when I try to send mail.

Is there ANY way to be able to have smail retry sending mail if the smtp
connection is down?

Right now I've kludged it my having smail only queue mail. Then when I start
up my PPP connection, I enable smail to process the queue in the background.
When I shut down my PPP connection it likewise kills smail so that it won't
try sending anything.  Certainly there must be a better way.

ANY help would be appreciated (I can forward my config files if needed).

Thanks in Advance!

Doug

[email-masked]
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Don Rubin)
Subject: Re: Removeable-media support in Linux ?
Date: 12 Oct 1994 14:56:33 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have been having trouble getting Linux up on a system
with only a single Bernoulli drive. When the Slackware
SCSI kernel boots it recognises the CD but doesn't see
the Bernoulli. The controller is an Adaptec AHA-1520 but
when it boots it thinks its something else (ProAudio I
think I'm not at the machine now). Any ideas?

Don
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From: [email-masked] (John Palaima)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 12 Oct 1994 16:16:24 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Rob Kean <[email-masked]> wrote:
>AMD is about to release, yes you guessed it, their 486DX2-80MHz!!!!!
>
>From what I've heard through my venders, It will run about $20 more than an 
>Intel 66MHz.

Hah.  Apparently you didn't hear that the Am486 DX/2 66 could be safely
over-clocked to run at 80Mhz.  All the DX2-80 is is a relabeled DX2-66.
That's why it's not much more expensive.  It's the same chip.  Anyone wanna
take bets that new 66Mhz chips will be "crippled" so they can't be over-
clocked? :)  
--
Richard Cooley Extraordinaire           "Yeah.  Arrgh."
        [email-masked]      These are my opinions, not MITs etc...
        [email-masked]           Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux
"LILO - it's not just a boot loader, it's a way of life" -- me

-- what, no suck^H^H^H^Htakers? :)

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From: [email-masked]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 5 Oct 1994 23:49:57 -0500

> While responding to an add inteh local paper for a $99 486 upgrade it came
> to light that this upgrade was a quote "486/66 Mhz" which was a "faster chip and
>  less expensive than the i486DX2-66". This propted my query on what the hell
> this chip was and the response was AMD. I was not aware of this chip. I was
> under the impression that all the 66's 75's 100's etc (non-Pentium) were 
> overclocked 33 Mhz chips. Does a 'real' 66 Mhz chip exist? If so (and I dont'

The chip is manufactured (here in Austin, I might add) by Advanced Micro 
Devices (AMD).  It is an internally clock-doubled 33MHz CPU, just like the
i486DX2-66.  As far as I know, there are no 'real' 66 MHz chips.  The pin-out
is identical to the Intel; it is supposed to work in Intel 486-compatible
motherboards, although from experience this is not always the case.

> think so" do traditional mother boards ( ie that could handle a DX2) support
> this chip. And Finally, if this is true is it compatble and reliable.

I am running Linux 1.1.45 on a mystery motherboard (UMC chipset) with an AMD
486DX2/66 with no problems, although my first motherboard choice (OPTi chipset)
had trouble when I upgraded the cache from 64K to 256K.  Older versions of the
chip reportedly had problems with Ghostscript, but gs (and everything
else) runs just fine on mine.  Be sure to get one with the MS Windows-
compatible logo on it; these are newer and more compatible, and you can cover
up the logo with a heatsink!

> 
> INquiring minds want to know!! ;-))
> Thanks...Colin

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Scott Taylor                                            ALVE, L.C.
[email-masked]                                 (512) 467-8868 (voice)
                                                        (512) 467-8898 (FAX)
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Scott Taylor                                            ALVE, L.C.
[email-masked]                                 (512) 467-8868 (voice)
                                                        (512) 467-8898 (FAX)

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From: [email-masked] (Dan Newcombe)
Crossposted-To: git.general,git.cc.general,atl.general
Subject: Re: LOCAL: Meeting for Linux Enthusiasts in Atlanta
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 11:09:37 UNDEFINED

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Vernard C. Martin) writes:
>You are all cordially invited to come and join the first meeting of the
>unofficial Georgia Tech Linux Enthusiast Organization on Wednesday October 
>12th at 5pm at the Georgia Tech College of Computing in Room 201. All 
>students, faculty, staff, and others are welcome to attend.

I'd love to come, but I work until 5pm, and with rush hour traffic, probably 
wouldn't be there til 7.   In the future, why not have the meetings start a 
bit later for those of us that are not located at Tech, or are not students 
and have a full-time job and have to travel a bit to get there????  
P...p...p...p...p...please!!!

(also a little more advanced notice would be nice :)
        -Dan

--
Dan Newcombe                    [email-masked]
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"And the man in the mirror has sad eyes."       -Marillion

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From: [email-masked] (Chabane Rezzik)
Subject: Re: X-window help in Linux (please)
Date: 12 Oct 1994 15:07:37 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Franco Gerace) writes:
|> I managed to install X on my linux box and seem to have configures Xconfig 
|> properly.  So upon starting "startx" everything runs smoothly.  My question 
|> is, when I exit X, i see the message . . . 
|> 
|> "xinit: unknown error (errno 0) client error"
|> 
|> What is this aerror for.  Everything seems to work fine but this is bugging 
|> me.
|> 
|> Also, does anyone have any mwm-like system.fvwm configerations I could use. 
|>  There are a few in the slackware distribution, but I'm sure ther must be 
|> some real hot ones out there.
|> 
|> --Thanks
|> 

Same thing is happening to my X. 
Anybody knows what is the problem? Any fix?

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks.
-- 
Chabane Rezzik
x37615

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