Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #927
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 06:13:15 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #927, Volume #2                Thu, 13 Oct 94 06:13:15 EDT

Contents:
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.08) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! ("Stephen Davies")
  Re: Lilo booting last booted OS. (Werner Almesberger)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Joseph W. Vigneau)
  transparent ftp filesystem? (Benjamin John Walter)
  Apology re: QNX (Brad Hull)
  Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Josh Wilmes)
  Re: Should the FAQ be in col.admin, .misc, .development ? (Christopher Gori)
  SyQuest owners......... (Daniel Sills)
  chat \q option (Mark D. Roth)
  AFS Linux? (Michael J. Tanenhaus)
  Re: Weakest Linux Box (L Saku P Airila)
  Re: X News-reader for LinuX (Iain Lea)
  Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm) (James F. Morris)
  Re: ez (was Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?) (Grant Edwards)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Jim Graham)
  Re: Commercial X servers: here's one (Shawn M Carey)

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From: [email-masked] (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.08)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly to
comp.os.linux.announce.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not a contribution to the development
of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration
- should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.

Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
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From: "Stephen Davies" <[email-masked]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 94 11:42:49 PDT

I still saw the problem at 1.1.51 (but not yet at 1.1.52) but only with 
FTPD on Linux and only when the FTP client came in via PPP (pre latest
alpha).

I have no trouble with Linux as a client nor with FTPD when the client
comes in via Ethernet.

Implication: The problem is caused by some interaction between PPP (or SLIP)
and FTPD. (??)

I have not had a chance to test 1.1.52 or Al's latest PPP version in this
context.

I will try to do that this week.

Cheers, 
Stephen.
>Ralph Sims ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: [email-masked] (System Administrator) writes:
>
>: >Trevor Lampre ([email-masked]) wrote:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>: >for confirming what we've been seeing!  I suggest we keep this thread 
>: >open and fill it with additional information until the problem gets the 
>: >attention it needs.  I'm not a programmer, much less a kernel hacker, so
>: >I can only voice frustration with the situation.
>
>: And what about those of us that DON'T see it?  Basic setup is a
>: dedicated PPP link on a 14.4 dialup, NET-3 stuff, ppd 2.1.2a,
>: etc., with an InfoMagic/TransAmeritech CD-ROM combined install.
>
>: I move many megabytes of files around via FTP daily, and another
>: many megs around with mosaic and lynx.  Sendmail+IDA's been
>: rock-solid.
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>If your not seeing be thankful and provide your system configuration
>so the experts can see whats working and whats not working
>
>I am NOT seeing th problem,  Have a  14.4 modem using NET-3 pppd 2.2.2a with
>slackware 1.2 , and kernel 1.1.30.  I have downloaded 20 and 30 megs in a
>single session via ftp and never had a problem.  I regularly rlogin to
>other sites, once again without problem
>
>         
>Colin
>

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From: [email-masked] (Werner Almesberger)
Subject: Re: Lilo booting last booted OS.
Date: 9 Oct 1994 11:51:48 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] () writes:
> I would like to know if it is possible that Lilo will boot the last booted
> OS. E.g. if I boot Linux then Lilo will keep on booting linux 'till I select
> another OS (MS-Dos).

LILO 0.15 will have this.

> I liked this feature in the SLS distribution (0.99.X), but it is gone in
> the slackware distribution.

Well, there it was a misfeature, causing quite a lot of complaints.
The trick there was to use /sbin/lilo -R in some /etc/rc* to set the
new default.

- Werner
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From: [email-masked] (Joseph W. Vigneau)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: 13 Oct 1994 05:54:31 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Nate Williams <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>Having been an Ultrix administrator for some years, and run Linux for a
>very short time and now a FreeBSD developer, I can say with certainty
>that Linux is *nothing* like Ultrix when compared to FreeBSD.  FreeBSD
>is orders of magnitude closer to Ultrix than Linux will ever be.  Some
>would argue that it's not necessarily a good thing. :-)

Well, FreeBSD is closer to Ultrix (which is BSD based) by definition :)
Linux, which is SYSV based, also has a lot of BSDisms with it...
 
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From: [email-masked] (Benjamin John Walter)
Subject: transparent ftp filesystem?
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 06:29:43 +0000

Hi,

Is anyone currently working on a filesystem that would provide
transparent access to files over ftp?  I've seen that GNU would like
to see such an fs in their Hurd system, and I'd be interested in
getting in touch with anyone working in this area on Linux.

Peace, Ben

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From: [email-masked] (Brad Hull)
Subject: Apology re: QNX
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 01:04:38 GMT

I responded to that QNX 'ad' (or whatever it should really be categorized) by
repeating what I had heard a couple years ago, by a person who hadn't liked
QNX a number of years before that.  I got responses indicating that QNX has
matured quite a lot since that time and may realistically deserve attention.
Certainly everything I've heard makes it sound like a real performing
monster...  And they've put major effort into standards conformance, have
solid Posix compliance and so on.

Just thought I'd be big enough to apologize for flaming without justification.

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From: [email-masked] (Josh Wilmes)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 12 Oct 1994 18:26:22 GMT

: About a year ago (as someone already mentioned in this thread), some people
: tried to write a WYSIWYG LaTeX interface. If something with that kind of
: power is not the object of this discussion, whoever takes this project on
: will just be wasting their time, in my opinion. There may be no WINE before
: its time, but I think WINE will be running word for windows long before a
: comparably powerful packages can be put together for Linux. The lead is just
: too great.

Any idea what progress has already been made in this area?  It seems to me
that this would be an excellent idea!

--jw--

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From: [email-masked] (Christopher Gori)
Subject: Re: Should the FAQ be in col.admin, .misc, .development ?
Date: 12 Oct 1994 23:07:42 GMT

([email-masked] (Ian Jackson)) wrote: 

>Currently the Linux FAQ is posted only to comp.os.linux.announce and
>col.help.
>
>I'm considering expanding that to include the other groups in the
>hierarchy.  Does anyone have any comments to make about this ?
>

Yes.  Please do this.  _Please_.  I'm sick of reading people posting to get
information that's in the FAQ, and _really_, _really_ sick of reading
cross-posts between the hierarchies.  If Prodigy is adding 2 million 
newbies and are being responsible enough to give them the 
"FAQ button" we should certainly oblige - if not for their sake, at least
for our sanity.

Is the "* READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *" also cross-posted occasionally to
news.answers?  (I presume the FAQ is).  If you could drag across the
*READ.. * posting as well that could stem the tide...

My .02,

        Chris Gori
        [email-masked]
        http://isengard.stanford.edu/~cgori/index.html

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Sills)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.periphs,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: SyQuest owners.........
Date: 12 Oct 1994 09:58:35 GMT

Could some kind soul please email me an address for SyQuest in Armerica 
(or wherever they are located) and/or a phone number and/or some other means
of contact with them. 

An Australian direct dealer would be even more help. 

I need a 270 Meg internal (ide or scsi + card) with around 6-7 carts (or 
less if I can get a deal) for my linux box. But here the prices are huge,
and I want to see if I can source one myself (or pass an address onto a
local dealer)

If anyone has one of the above (+ tapes) for sale, I would also be 
interested in that (prefer Australia somewhere)

Also, anyone have any info on the new 540 SyQuests? Release date? price?

Thanx for any replies in advance, but please email only if possible.

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From: [email-masked] (Mark D. Roth)
Subject: chat \q option
Date: 12 Oct 1994 04:34:06 GMT

Does anyone know the proper use of the \q option in a chat script?
It's supposed to prevent a string from being logged by logging
"???????" instead.

My script has to send my password to the terminal servers here twice.
So, I prefaced each instance of my password with a \q.  The result was
that every string that was sent between the two, inclusive of the
first one, was a "???????".  Then the second one and all further
output was clear text.  So, I figured, "Hmmm, it must work by toggling
the output off and on" and I put \q before and after each password.
Then chat ignored all the \q's and just put everything in the log in
clear text.

Any ideas as to the proper syntax for this option?  Can someone show
me an example script using it, and the output it generates?

Thanks for any help...

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From: [email-masked] (Michael J. Tanenhaus)
Subject: AFS Linux?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 21:10:36 GMT

Anyone heard if this will be ported?

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From: [email-masked] (L Saku P Airila)
Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box
Date: 12 Oct 1994 19:12:37 GMT

Linux Mac Daddy ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I was just wondering who has the weakest Linux box?  What I mean by this 
: is like anyone running Linux on a 386 with 3 megs of RAM...  I've got a 
: 386sx-16 with 5 megs of RAM and it works great (tons faster than DOS).  
: If anyone has a "weaker" machine that runs Linux (and you actually use 
: it) let's hear it....

I had a Linux box with amd386sx-40 with 2MB + 7Mb swap, and I used
it to write and run all the homework of my C-programming course. It
worked, but awfully slow, compiling my final project ( ~15KB of code )
took 1 hour:)
Now I have upgraded to 8MB, and it is a lot nicer, can even run X.

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From: [email-masked] (Iain Lea)
Subject: Re: X News-reader for LinuX
Date: 10 Oct 1994 09:35:33 -0000

James Logajan ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I pulled the sources for both xvnews and xrn. I could not get xvnews to
: post, even though I liked its layout better than xrn. Both xvnews and xrn
: allow sorting of subject lines, ignoring the "re:" stuff which gives a
: certain amount of threading.

: I read news from netcoms' nntp server over a cslip link and found that
: tin -r was just plain unbearably slow. Otherwise I'd use tin, since it

Try tin -nq

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Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
From: [email-masked] (James F. Morris)
Subject: Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 03:53:16 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Starblood <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>What are you guys talking about?? I think nobody will beat me. My first
>linux system will probably be Slackware 5.0. That will probably be the
>first release that supports the IBM PS/2 architecture :(.

What are you talking about?  Have you TRIED Linux on your PS/2?  I am
running a network server at the office right now - it is a PS/2 Model
70!

The main issues with Linux and MCA bus machines is that the methods used 
to autodetect adapter cards, etc, do not work the same in the PS/2.  For 
example, the PS/2 internal ESDI drives are non-standard.  However, 
patches are available for Linux that fix that.  I am using an Adaptec 
AHA-1640 SCSI adapter, which looks like an ISA based AHA-1542 to Linux.  
My Ethernet adapter is an IBM Ethernet Adapter /A, which is essentially 
an MCA version of an SMC Ultra.  However, I had to modify the SMC-ULTRA 
driver slightly - hard coding the addresses, etc (autodetect problem), 
and added some setup code.

Let me know if you are interested in the SMC driver....

/--------------------------------------------------\
| Jim Morris   |    Internet:  [email-masked] |
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: ez (was Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 18:16:18 GMT

[email-masked] wrote:

:  : : Linux needs it's own Wordprocessor. Something simple, elegant,
:  : : and moderately powerful. And we need it yesterday.  The
:  : : question is how to accomplish this?
:  : 
:  : Who about Andrew's  "ez" ? I think that's what you want. 

: It is X only.  I think Linux needs something more general for non-X
: terminals.  I spend 90% of my time using MS-Kermit connected via a dialup
: line.  I imagine that I am not alone.

Whoa!

You want it to run on an uppercase-only ADM3 and it has to be
WYSIWYG with support for different typefaces and sizes?

What color is the sky in _your_ world?  ;)

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Jim Graham)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:56:58 GMT

NOTE:  I don't intend for this post to be saying that TeX is the Linux
version of a word processor.  Any TeX user knows that to compare TeX to a
word processor is to compare apples and oranges.  TeX is a typesetting
system, and is designed (and used) with a completely different set of goals
than those intended for word processors, desktop publishing systems, and so
on.

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked]
writes:

>This is an ongoing debate.  If a text editor + LaTeX is a
>viable alternative to a standard word processor like MS Word in
>an office environment, then there needs to be some way to share
>documents with other platforms.

In the case of TeX (and LaTeX, if you insist...), there is no problem
at all with sharing the document between platforms---the file is just
a plain ASCII file.  Nice and simple.  And if we're talking about the
DVI file, that's no problem either.  Remember, DVI == DeVice Independent.

>If software for Linux can't do this, then it
>should be able to read it plain text and translate the 
>"lf" characters.  In the case of a Mac, this is ^M.

As mentioned above, the file *IS* plain text.  And for the rest, I've
obviously misunderstood your question.  To me, it reads as if you're
saying that there needs to be some way of converting between various
line endings (LF on UNIX, CR/LF on dog, etc.), but this is a trivial
task.

Just in case I haven't missed something, here's a short script that
converts dos files (CR/LF) to UNIX format (LF).  You can read the sed(1)
man page, or better yet, ``The UNIX Programming Environment'' to find
out how to expand this.

===========================  CUT HERE  ===========================
#!/bin/sh

for i in $*
do
   echo working on $i
   sed 's/^M$//' $i > /tmp/$$.tmp
   mv /tmp/$$.tmp $i
done
===========================  CUT HERE  ===========================

Of course, the ``^M'' (two characters) is supposed to be a '^M'.  You'll
need to replace it with a ^M (^V^M in vi, don't know if the '^V' is
needed in emacs or not).

>I think it can be acceptable to translate a formatted document on
>one platform to plain text to be formatted on another platform.

Again, with TeX, there is no need to transfer a formatted document.  Just
transfer the source code, and let the other person work with it if they
want to.  Otherwise, if you don't want them to work with it, you might
just want to transfer a DVI file, and let them print it, display it, etc.,
with whatever output driver is appropriate for their hardware.

>However, thus far, I have been unable to get a Linux text editor like
>emacs to do a search and replace of the ^M lf character.  

I'm not familiar with how emacs implements regular expressions, but in
vi, it would simply be :%s/^M$//g     (again, that's ^V^M to get a ^M
character).  You can probably use the exact same regular expression in
emacs---I assume it implements regular expressions, as that's pretty
standard in UNIX.  RTF-emacs-M for details on using regular expression
searches or search/replace---I don't use emacs, so I don't know how it's
done, but I can't imagine it not being supported.

Even if you can't get emacs to do it, that doesn't stop you.  Remember,
there are a *LOT* of other ways of doing something like this in UNIX.
The sed script shown above is just one way...you could write a short
filter program in C.  You could also grab the source to the ``pep''
program that was posted to one of the *.sources groups (no idea which
one) at some point in the past (don't remember when, but it at least
as far back as 1990, and I think I had it before then).  Or you could....
And the list goes on.  Don't assume that the editor has to do
everything---UNIX doesn't work that way.

Later,
   --jim

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From: [email-masked] (Shawn M Carey)
Subject: Re: Commercial X servers: here's one
Date: 13 Oct 1994 05:12:18 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] writes:
>In comp.os.linux.misc, Shawn M Carey ([email-masked]) wrote:
>
>> I can confirm this to a degree.  I was a beta tester of this server
>> (for FreeBSD), and it's undoubtedly faster than the XFree S3 server:
>       ^^^^^^^
>Oh, how come? The latest prodinfo.txt (as of Sep 09) on their FTP server says,
>
>OS Non-Support: QNX
>                Coherent
>                FreeBSD 1.x, NetBSD.
>                Minix
>                MS-DOS
>                MS-Windows
>                OS/2
>
>(of which I clearly understand the last three ;^). Anyway, FreeBSD seems
>not to be supported...
>

This information is clearly out of date.  The prodinfo.txt that I have
(sept 17, from the beta release) doesn't have FreeBSD in this list:

OS Non-Support: QNX, Coherent, NetBSD, Minix, MS-DOS, MS-Windows,
                OS/2, Windows/NT.

-Shawn Carey

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