Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #928
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 09:13:20 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #928, Volume #2                Thu, 13 Oct 94 09:13:20 EDT

Contents:
  Re: MINICOM Downloading Not Working (Andrew Tao)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.09) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Rick Kelly)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Brad Matthew Garcia)
  Re: Weakest Linux Box (Steven Pritchard)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Peter da Silva)
  Re: Word Processors for Linux (Boudewijn)
  Re: help computerize a library (J.J. Paijmans)
  Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm) (Sgt. Blumenkraft)
  Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Eric Silver)
  "more" quit working.  HELP!!! (Tony Schwartz)
  Re: Fintronic ---> VERY impressive!!! (Mark 'Enry' Komarinski)
  Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Daniel Quinlan)
  Re: X-window help in Linux (please) (Warwick Allison)
  Re: SW Technologies (Jonathan I. Kamens)
  Where can I order Linux 3. (Keith Mandachit)
  Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Jeff Kesselman)

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From: Andrew Tao <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: MINICOM Downloading Not Working
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 16:38:48 GMT

Eric Silver ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I tried several times to make the rz and rx part of MINICOM work.
: I was trying to download a file from a UNIX BBS and the system
: seems to just sit there. I can perform this same function using
: DOS based PROCOMM PLUS. The order I do things in is;

: $sz filename  [Enter]   from the shell prompt at the BBS
: ctrl-a r
: z             [Enter]
: filename    typed in pop up box

: Then the system just seems to sit there and no file is actually 
: transfered. I have checked the pathnames for valid entries.
: Would some please let me know the specific keystokes to make 
: MINICOM downloading work properly.
: Thanks,
: Eric Silver
-- 
Andrew Tao <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.09)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted biweekly to
comp.os.linux.announce.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not a contribution to the development
of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration
- should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.

Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <[email-masked]>  (urgent email: [email-masked])
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 1223 64238

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Rick Kelly)
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Rick Kelly)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 04:07:43 GMT

Peter da Silva ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,
: Michael L. VanLoon <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >This should be taken with a large bucket of salt, however (as Terry
: >Lambert points out), since none of the systems have had an official
: >POSIX verification suite run on them.

: Not to mention that in practical terms POSIX still means very little.

: Most code is still written straight to System V or BSD semantics.

For two reasons:

1.  There is no guaranteed subset of POSIX that is portable across all
    "UNIX" platforms.

2.  It can be a painful chase through docs and header files to force
    POSIX on some systems.

-- 

Rick Kelly  [email-masked]  [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Brad Matthew Garcia)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 13 Oct 1994 11:08:59 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, 
[email-masked] (Daniel Zappala) writes:
|> 
|> In article <[email-masked]>, 
|> [email-masked] (John Palaima) writes:
|> > 
|> > Hah.  Apparently you didn't hear that the Am486 DX/2 66 could be safely
|> > over-clocked to run at 80Mhz.  All the DX2-80 is is a relabeled DX2-66.
|> > That's why it's not much more expensive.  It's the same chip.  Anyone wanna
|> > take bets that new 66Mhz chips will be "crippled" so they can't be over-
|> > clocked? :)  
|> > --
|> 
|> But a DX2-80 can't be just a relabeled, overclocked DX2-66.  It's bus speed has
|> to be 40 Mhz.
|> 
|> Daniel

I think that you are confused, Dan, between a relabled 66 MHz *system* and
a relabled 66 MHz *cpu*.  They simply put the 66 MHz chip on a 40 MHz
motherboard (which is also accomplished by changing the speed of the
motherboard) and...  TADA! - a 486DX2-80!
-- 
Brad M. Garcia                   Carnegie Mellon University 
   ____/  ____/  ____/ Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
  __/    /      __/   "The only Engineering department in the world where
_____/ _____/ _____/   the secretaries have the most powerful computers."

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From: [email-masked] (Steven Pritchard)
Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box
Date: 12 Oct 1994 23:38:46 -0600

[email-masked] (H.J. Lu) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Linux Mac Daddy) writes:
>|> I was just wondering who has the weakest Linux box?  What I mean by this 
>|> is like anyone running Linux on a 386 with 3 megs of RAM...  I've got a 
>|> 386sx-16 with 5 megs of RAM and it works great (tons faster than DOS).  
>|> If anyone has a "weaker" machine that runs Linux (and you actually use 
>|> it) let's hear it....

>386sx/16 with 4 MB RAM. I am trying to upgrade and waiting for the price
>to drop :-(.

Well, I didn't actually *use* it, but I booted SLS on my 386SX/16 when it 
only had 2 meg.  I waited for 2 more meg before installing it.

To H.J.:  Go buy a 386DX/40.  I got one for $90 a while back, and it is 
*so* much faster.  The SX/16 board now waits to replace a dead 286.  (And 
the cycle begins again...)

Steve
-- 
[email-masked]  | Southern Illinois Linux Users Group
(618)549-8579             | Meetings the 1st and 3rd Mondays of every month.
Steven Pritchard          | http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~spritcha/home.html

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 03:18:14 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Nate Williams <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Nope.  Ultrix is probably the last of the commercial OS that is still
>primarily BSD based (excepting BSDI's offering).  However, it's being
>phased out by OSF/1, so it's a dead-end OS as far as DEC is concerned.

On the other hand I've several times pulled code out of the FreeBSD
CDROM to replace buggy software shipped with OSF/1. Go figure.

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From: [email-masked] (Boudewijn)
Subject: Re: Word Processors for Linux
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 94 18:35:41 CET
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]> Alexandra Griffin 
([email-masked]) wrote on Re: Word Processors for Linux

> Yes, what's the chance that someone might be able to get a hold of the
> source to this abandoned product?  It'd be a real shame if all the
> work Lotus put in to it were to go down the drain, but they'll
> probably be reluctant to give out the code on general principles...
> :-(
> 
> -- alex
> 
Especially if it could get support for multiple character sets (not 
necessarily fonts, quite another thing) it would be ideal.
-- 
Boudewijn Rempt
Kloosterstraat 34 1.2, 2021 VN Haarlem.
't Gezichtje eerst, dan de handen,
dan de bibben, en 't laatst de tanden.
                                  Mijnheer Dil, De tuinen van Dorr, Paul 
Biegel.

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From: [email-masked] (J.J. Paijmans)
Subject: Re: help computerize a library
Date: 11 Oct 1994 08:20:12 GMT

In article <BOB.94Oct10122655@cocoa-puffs> bob@cocoa-puffs (Robert J. Chassell) writes:
>Here is a chance to introduce GNU/Linux and other free software to
>small libraries. 

...

Bob, I tried to mail you, but my message bounced. In short: I am both a
Linux-fan (obviously) and an Information Retrieval scientist. Could
you please try to mail me at [email-masked]' and/or forward an email-address
at which I may contact you?

Hans Paijmans.

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From: Sgt. Blumenkraft
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
Subject: Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm)
Date: 11 Oct 1994 10:38:13 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>,
Noel Maddy <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Cameron Newham ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: [email-masked] (Tim Cutts) writes:
>
>
>: >My God.  You make me feel like a newbie!  My first Linux kernel was
>: >0.98pl5, but I had only just taken delivery of my (then) shiny new
>: >486-33 with 8Mb RAM, which I thought was the bee's knees at the time.
>
>: Don't feel like a newbie!  I joined at 0.99pl12 (i think)
>: (whatever one was released in May 1993) when I got my 486dx50.
>
>Well, I didn't get into it until 0.99pl15...again, when I got a
>usable computer (DX2/50 for me).  Sure love it though.  I can hardly
>wait until wine goes beta and I can dump my DOS/Windows pseudo-OS!
>(I'd bet that Linux 1.x + wine 0.x will crash a lot less than
>Windows 3.x!  Just shows what version numbers *really* mean, huh? ;-)
>
None of you needs to feel bad: I am starting only NOW, on a 486/33/8MB !!
And I haven't even figured out yet how to give the disk more than 4
partitions (to have more swap and all), and how to go past the 1024th cyl.
Nevertheless: good news that the best software is free.

                                        yours, Sgt. Blumenkraft

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: [email-masked] (Eric Silver)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
Date: 13 Oct 1994 04:53:30 GMT

Yan Xiao ([email-masked]) wrote:

: We purchased Yggdrasil Fall 1994 Plug-and-Play recently,
: and here are some of the problems we`ve encountered so far:

: 1. Im-Pass-word: User cannot change password.
:     If you change password as a user, you will receive:
:           Can't open /etc/ptmp, can't update password

: 2. More than you asked for:   'more' behaves strangely: 
:     in console (non-X), you'll get segmentation fault.
:     in X's xterm, you'll have trouble scrolling.
:     The problem also affects 'appropos'.

: 3. Plug-and-Play, no-plug, no-play:  waning CD-ROM can be a challenge
:     We didn't install everything (has anyone?), thus we picked
:     packages we wanted from control-panel.  Guess what, we still
:     have pointers to CD-ROM, such as /usr/X386/lib/libX11*.

: As a posting earlier noted, unless you have only 10MB
: on the hard disk, you may want to stay away from the
: Plug-and-Play.  It appears that yggdrasil (not entirely
: improper) has spent much energy in creating a
: Plug-and-Play, and much less so in creating a well- (or
: ever-) tested Linux package.

: The current yggdrasil CD is our second buy, and I can
: see the decline in quality. I sincerely hope that folks
: at yggdrasil keep up the spirit of Plug-'n-Play, while
: at the same time improve quality. 

: Yan Xiao,  University of Maryland at Baltimore.

I bought this version three and half weeks ago as well.
I was very impressed with the installation program (as compared to
Unixware 1.1 AS). Very smooth and a hell of a lot more straightforward.
HOWEVER,
1.)  I have yet to get minicom to download using zmodem although I 
     can dial into my UNIX (BSD) Internet provider.
     Downloaded files using XMODEM protocol will not run, I get 
     segement errors. These programs include   unzip and joe .
     Yes, my settings are 8N1. 
2.) xmodem downloading adds a few hundred bytes to  .joerc 
    and other xmodem file transfers.
3.) Simple text editors like joe (give me joe any day I don't
    use emacs, I don't use vi ) are NOT included. @#$%@!!
    THIS IS MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT! 
    (If I had the  joe editor I could have a least done 
     other work). The   joe editor is specifically mentioned
     in your install manual. 
4.) Mounting a dos disk and copying using the 
    cp -p /mnt/unzip /home/root/unzip     command results 
    in a properly copied file BUT the binary can not execute.
5.) Attempting to use getty according to documentation does 
    not work. Therefore downloading known operating versions
    of files can not be accoplished.
6.) Ethernet 3C509TP can not ping another workstation on the same 
    LAN although Wollongong DOS drivers allow this.
7.) No BBS software on the CD although mentioned in the Bible.
    (If you have room for dup_ramdisk etc, you got room for this.
8.) No instructions in the manual on HOW to make Xwindows run from
    hda1 without having the /system_cd  mounted.
9.) The networking component is mentioned in your install manual
    (pg. 24) but is not available in the install_component list
    nor is it mentioned in the errata file, nor does it install
    properly from the Xwindows.
10.) MS-DOS MSCDEX will not activate CDROM properly, and 
     bootflpy.3in hangs after the letters   'LI' appear on the 
     screen. (The story behind this is that UW 1.1 AS was used to
     copy this file and  RAWRITE.EXE to a DOS PC. So that I could 
     create a second install disk. The first install disk that came
     with the package operates fine.

Other than these few insurrmountable hurdles, things are just ducky! NOT!
Before yggdrasil dumps on me, yes I ftp'd errata from your ftp 
site 1 day after purchasing the package.
I guess its my own fault. As consumers we should expect thirty-nine
dollar performance from a $39.00 (plus tax) Unix. I'll be happy to
post more problems as I come across them. 
Eric Silver

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From: [email-masked] (Tony Schwartz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: "more" quit working.  HELP!!!
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:55:43

Recently my 'more' program quit working.  I have tried several things with no 
success.   When I type 'more filename', it simply goes to the next line.  When 
I say "ls >more" I get a broken pipe error.

This seems really stupid but it has me whooped.  Any ideas???

Tony

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From: [email-masked] (Mark 'Enry' Komarinski)
Subject: Re: Fintronic ---> VERY impressive!!!
Date: 12 Oct 1994 14:08:11 GMT

Steve Champagne ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Based on recent experience, I'd highly recommend Fintronic as a provider of
: systems pre-configured with Linux.  I purchased the following:

[...]

: Notes:

: They said they'd ship 11 days after taking my order... and ended up missing
: this by 10 days.  They were, however, courteous enough to call before the
: original ship date to let me know that it was being held up.  The delay
: seemed reasonable in light of their having recently gotten favorable press in
: Byte magazine.

: All hardware documentation (motherboard, harddrive, controller, video card,
: tape drive, monitor) and related diskettes were included and well organized.
: The latest version of a few Linux docs were also included.

In nice big folders too if I recall correctly.

[...]

: One thing that really sticks in my mind (having dealt with "take the money and
: run" suppliers in the past) is that they didn't bill my credit card until the
: day they shipped the system.

Agreed.  I purchased a machine suitable for running a MUSH (486/66, 1GB, 32MB)
for about $2900, and we received it within about 7 days.  And it was good
quality parts too.  Genoa MB, Quantum HD, Adaptec, etc.  Fired up as
soon as we hit 'on'.  We're quite pleased with it.  If you want a turnkey
system, Fintronic has a good deal.

--
- Mark Komarinski - [email-masked]

"Sure we should sell California to the Japanese.  It's going to fall into
the ocean anyway." - Car Talk (on NPR)

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Quinlan)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
Date: 13 Oct 1994 03:37:30 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Moises Lejter <[email-masked]> writes:

> I installed Linux from the Yggdrasil Fall 94 CD on a Packard-Bell
> 486SX33, with 8MB.  When prompted for a swap partition, I declined to
> specify one, since I planned to set one up later, "on top of" my
> windows swap file.  I attempted to install some of the software from
> the CD-ROM to the disk, before setting up that swap partition - only
> to have the install process (a) run incredibly slowly, and (b) fail.
> Reason was that Linux was running out of memory...
>
> It might be nice to add a note to the doc that mentions that >8MB VM
> are needed during the install process - I am pretty sure it is not...

This is directly out of the Plug-and-Play manual:

======= start of cut text ==============
For a single user system, we recommended that the swap partion be large
enough to give a total virtual memory size (RAM+swap) of at least 16 MB,
possibly up to 32 MB. [...]
======= end ============================

Please read the manual during installation.  In the future, we will make
the recommendation more of a requirement.

Of course, it is still quite possible to create a swap file manually
during installation if you skip over the swap option...

 Dan
-- 
Daniel Quinlan  <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Warwick Allison)
Subject: Re: X-window help in Linux (please)
Date: 13 Oct 1994 07:21:25 GMT

[email-masked] (Franco Gerace) writes:

>Also, does anyone have any mwm-like system.fvwm configerations I could use. 

>There are a few in the slackware distribution, but I'm sure ther must be 
>some real hot ones out there.

The ones with slackware are really UGLY!  One that I tried (maybe all of
them) had it configured to be like MeSs-Windows - click to type, and you
had to top windows to do anything).

Of course, my .fvwmrc is my pride and joy, but as usual, it is pining
away at home while I'm at work.

Do many Linux users use than MS-Windows crap (top and click to type)?

--
Warwick
--
  _-_|\      [email-masked]            /
 /     * <-- Computer Science Department,  /      WIT SPACE TO LET
 \_.-._/     University of Queensland,    /
      v      Brisbane, Australia.        /

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From: [email-masked] (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Subject: Re: SW Technologies
Date: 13 Oct 1994 12:56:52 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer)) writes:
|> Well if you consider this to be NOT RESPONSIBLE then....
|> 
|> Selling merchandise at the lowest possible cost,
|> Having very little profit margin,
|> Working to insure linux runs on the platform,
|> Trying hard to please every customer.

I do not understand your point.  There are vendors who do ALL of these things
and yet manage to never bounce a refund check.

-- 
Jonathan Kamens  |  OpenVision Technologies, Inc.  |   [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Keith Mandachit)
Subject: Where can I order Linux 3.
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:33:55 GMT

I want to order the Slackware version of linux on 3.5 inch disks
I tried clark.net, but they nolonger sell the distribution
Any ideas.
thanks
--
==============================================================================
Keith Mandachit ([email-masked])              467 Thomas Jefferson Hall South
University of Missouri-Rolla                  Rolla, MO  65401
Major:  Electrical Engineering                (314) 341-9509
Minor:  Computer Science                      "If you don't win, lose hard!"
WWW Page:  lynx http://www.umr.edu/~keithm
============================================================================== 

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 05:02:42 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
K.D. knguyen <[email-masked]> wrote:
>I bought Yggdrasil Linux CD Fall version last week. I tried to boot it by using
>MSCDEX but it did not work. I am a little frustrated why there is no warning 
>from the cover that this MSCDEX is a experimental driver and it may not work
>for all.

I don't think it IS classified as experimental, do you have this from 
Yygdrasil, or is this your assumption because you failed to get it to work?
If you have a memory manager in your config.sys, that could probobly 
screw you up.  Have you stripped your config.sys down to nothing but 
your  CD-ROM driver?

> Next, I tried to boot Linux by using the bootflpy.phl (I have
>the LMSI CM205 CD). It recognized the CD and say "LMSI CD Ready" but then
>the boottrap program complaints about SONY CD31a and 525 and "Unable to mount
>VFS".  I got the errata, but there seems no fixes for these problems yet.

If you have a sony 31a running off the sony driver, then you need the 
revision B boot disk and system stuff.   Have you gotten that yet?
(Its mentioned in the errata.)

>There is any way that I can get the instructions to recompile the dosload
>program and tried to figure out why runlinux.bat does not work for me. I tried
>to look into why lmsci driver hangs the sony cd. Thanks alot.
>--
>          '''           K.D. Nguyen  
>         (o o)          BDM Federal, Inc.
>-----oOO--(_)--OOo----- [email-masked]
>Xerox never comes up with anything original.
>

Sure they do. They just fail to market it, so Apple can rip it off!

Jeff Kesselman

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