Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #929
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:13:53 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #929, Volume #2                Thu, 13 Oct 94 11:13:53 EDT

Contents:
  Linux & Netware. (Peter Berger)
  Re: WARNING: Xfree-3.1 XF86_Mach32 may damage non-green monitors! (Andreas Koppenhoefer)
  Re: Fintronic ---> VERY impressive!!! (Larry Doolittle)
  Re: ISA video board : advice wanted. (Larry Doolittle)
  Re: SW Technologies (Jonathan I. Kamens)
  Re: Good IDE card (David Barth)
  Re: One answer and I'm happy ! (Erik Corry)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
  Is Buslogic 545s (ISA) supported? (Leung Danny Pui Fun)
  Problem with TERM (Kevin C. Dorff)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Alexandra Griffin)
  Re: /lib/ld.so: cache ... is corrupt. Help. (Mitchum DSouza)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Jason Saunders)
  Z Modem weird problems
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Jeff Kesselman)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
  Re: Idle daemon (Martin Eggen)

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Date: Sun, 09 Oct 1994 22:29:00 +0100
From: [email-masked] (Peter Berger)
Subject: Linux & Netware.

[email-masked] (David W Bellizzi) wrote:

Just to clear things up:

 > I was reading in the NET2 HOWTO that someone has a
 > package out for connecting DOS workstations to Linux
 > /Unix workstation/servers.  It was call something
 > like Sams Own Server System (SOSS).  I however use

SOSS ist a nfs-server(!) running under DOS.
(NFS-)Clients are NFS025*.* or XFS*.*

bye,
    Peter

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,de.comp.os.linux
From: [email-masked] (Andreas Koppenhoefer)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Xfree-3.1 XF86_Mach32 may damage non-green monitors!
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 11:39:37 GMT

Hello out there,

now I'm able to *CANCEL* my warning about possible damage of non-green
monitors. Thanks to Craig Groeschel for clarification:

In article <[email-masked]>,
[email-masked] (Craig Groeschel) wrote:
    In article <[email-masked]>,
    Andreas Koppenhoefer <[email-masked]> wrote:
    >While running 'startx -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach32 :0 -bpp 16' and
    >about 10 minutes of inactivity the screensaver blanked out my
    >screen. And surprisingly my monitor went into powersaving mode.
    >That's exactly what I want to get.
    >
    >While running 'startx -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach32 :0 -bpp16' (which
    >is a 8-bit server -bpp 8) my monitor doesn't switch to powersaving
    >mode while screensaver is active!? Why not?
    
    Because colors are handled differently at 8 and 16 bpp.
    
    8-bit mode uses a color lookup table.  The screen saver writes
    five bytes out to the card, and boom, the lookup table
    returns "black" for every color.  Screen goes dark.
    Very simple very easy.
    
    16-bit mode does not use any such lookup table, so to save
    the screen, I just disabled the CRT controller.  Yes, I know,
    quick and dirty hack.  Anyone please feel free to UTSL.
    
    >And here's the problem: What if my monitor wouldn't like powersaving
    >signals?
    
    You'll have to pardon me for deleting the FUD in your message.
    There are no special powersaving signals in this case.  When the
    CRT controller is disabled, no signals go out to the monitor.
    It's like having your monitor turned on but your computer turned off.

- Andreas
--
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prefered languages: German, English, C, perl ("Just another Perl hacker,")
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From: [email-masked] (Larry Doolittle)
Subject: Re: Fintronic ---> VERY impressive!!!
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:53:44 GMT

Marc Fraioli ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article [email-masked],  [email-masked] (Steve Champagne) writes:
: >Based on recent experience, I'd highly recommend Fintronic as a provider of
: >systems pre-configured with Linux.  I purchased the following:
: >
: >  - Intel 486DX2-66MHz VLB basic system
: >  - Buslogic KT-445S VLB SCSI Controller w/ ASPI DOS drivers
: >  - 1.0GB, Quantum Empire 1080S, 9ms, 512K cache, 3.5x1"
: >  - Conner Viper 2525S 525MB 1/4" SCSI tape
: >  - Viewsonic 17, 17", 1280x1024
: >  - #9 GXE Level 11 VLB 2MB, S3-928
: >  - DOS 6.2/Windows 3.1 installed with dual boot (via LILO)
: >
: >For slightly less than $4100 (including shipping).

: Wow, for that money you're in low-end RISC territory.  You can get entry
: level RISC boxes from Sun, HP, or IBM for less than that, all with 16MB
: RAM and at least 16" color monitors.  True, they have smaller disks (Sun
: gives you a 535, IBM a 260, not sure about HP) and no tape, but you
: get a _much_ faster CPU.  Of course, they don't include source to their
: OSes either...

They also (usually) don't give you a video subsystem that can match
the #9GXE series, or expandable busses.  OTOH, they do include ethernet.
I just saw a flyer for a DEC Alpha.  Its price looked OK, until you
saw just how under-configured the system was.  1024x768 video?
Gimme a break.  One more thing -- how much do they force you to
spend on software "upgrades"?

If you want to install Linux yourself, you should be able to
trade up to a Pentium/PCI/Vision864 system for about the same
money as the system listed above.

                      - Larry Doolittle   [email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc
From: [email-masked] (Larry Doolittle)
Subject: Re: ISA video board : advice wanted.
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:01:27 GMT

You want an S3-801 based card, like an Actix GraphicsEngine32
or STB PowerGraph X-24.  I think Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 comes
in an ISA version, too.  You should be able to find one of
these for US$100 to US$130.

All these boards are quite happy doing 1024x768ni at 256 colors,
with 1M DRAM.  Spending extra bucks on the 2M versions (if available)
probably isn't worth it because of bandwidth limitations.
Under DOS, with unaccelerated drivers, the ISA bus really hurts.
Under XFree86 or MS-Windows, it's no big deal; all the drawing
operations are done with registers anyway, and you are limited
by the 32-bit path from S3-801 to video memory.  STB claims
a 10 to 30% speed penalty compared to the VLB twin.

Cafe des etudiants du diro ([email-masked]) wrote:

:    I'm currently looking for an ISA video board that will work well
: in OS/2 and Linux. I want to run 1024x768 at 256 colors, perhaps
: more if possible. But I'm more interested in speed than color. Also,
: I want a card that have OS/2 and Linux drivers that takes
: advantage of accelerated features (what's the use of an accelerated
: board without accelerated drivers :-). Finally, I know ISA bus
: can be a bottleneck for video, so I don't want to spend money
: on a board that's too fast for ISA, that is, if board X is
: faster 'in thery' that board Y, and more expensive, but ISA limits 
: them both to similar performances, I prefer to buy board Y and
: save some pennies.

:    So any advice for such a card ? S3 seems to be a good choice,
: but I don't know much models using S3 chipset, except for #9
: (seems rather expensive) and Diamond (a no-no, espcially for
: Linux, but that seems to change). What about ATI Mach32 and
: Mach64. Is there any ISA Mach64 cards out there ? If so, are
: they worthwhile on ISA bus ? What about ET400W32p (Hercules
: Dynamite ?).

:    Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks !

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From: [email-masked] (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Subject: Re: SW Technologies
Date: 13 Oct 1994 13:15:14 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (E. Robert Tisdale) writes:
|> In article <[email-masked]>
|> [email-masked] (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:
|> 
|> >"The question I am left with here is DOES Bob feel Mr. Wu acted improperly in
|> >bouncing this refund check, and not as a repsonsible vendor? Comments , Bob?"
|> 
|> I never did and do not now have any comment on this subject.

Why not?  You're all gung ho about defending SWT and publicly accusing me of
being dishonest in my dealings with SWT, and yet you are unwilling to address
the issue of whether or it was dishonest of SWT to write a rubber refund check
and then refuse to pay me the charge my bank charged me for depositing a
rubber check?

Why do you feel that you have the right to make accusations against me, based
on only speculation and supposition, but you aren't willing to discuss
something that SWT did that was obviously wrong and that they have not
disputed doing?

Oh, and by the way, why have you still not answered this, which I wrote to you
in a posting on October 7: "Bob, are you speaking from the point of view of a
satisfied customer of SWT or something more?  Are you and Wu acquaintenaces,
perhaps, or even friends?  You did tell me in E-mail that you are `on
reasonably good terms with Marvin Wu.' What exactly does that mean?"

|> Have you never bounced a check?

Yes, I have.  In college, about seven years ago, once or twice, because I
forgot to transfer money from savings into checking.  I immediately apologized
to the payees, paid the fees that were charged to them, paid the fees that
were charged to me, and transferred money into the account to cover the checks.

Furthermore, my bank was *thought* I've bounced checks a number of times since
then (because of errors on their part, not on mine), but rather than refusing
to cash them, they've cashed them and charged me a bounce fee, because they
know I'm good for the money.

Now, let's analyze the differences here:

1) I'm a person, and I bounced personal checks.  SWT is a company, and it
bounced company checks.

2) I apologized immediately when I bounced checks, before being contacted by
the payee, and paid their fees.  SWT didn't try to contact me about the
bounce, despite the fact that they should have known about it before I did,
and didn't offer to pay the bounce fee I was charged (and, in fact, has
ignored my repeated E-mail asking for them to pay the fee).

3) My bank pays checks that they think I've bounced, even when they're large,
because they know I'm good for the money (I do, after all, have a savings
account with them with enough money in it to cover the checks, and I've never
written a check I didn't have enough money to cover from my combined
accounts), and because they can charge me the $20 bouncing fee even if they
pay the check.  SWT's bank refused to pay their rubber check (implying,
perhaps, that the bank doesn't have faith in their ability to cover it?).

4) The checks I bounced were seven years ago.  The checks (plural, because as
I've mentioned, over people have told me they've had the same experience with
SWT) SWT has bounced are very recent.

I might still be angry at SWT about wasting my time and making me pay
shipping, but if they had apologized for bouncing the check and offered to pay
the $4 charge my bank charged me, my opinion of them would be many notches
higher than it is now.

|> You needn't answer.  I don't think anyone actually cares whether your
|> self-righteous indignation justified or hypocritical.

Gee, you must get tired from lifting yourself up onto that high pedestal all
the time.
-- 
Jonathan Kamens  |  OpenVision Technologies, Inc.  |   [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (David Barth)
Subject: Re: Good IDE card
Date: 11 Oct 1994 14:43:52 +0100

Wayne Adams ([email-masked]) wrote:
:       I'm looking for a new VLB ide card that will handle: 2 hard drives,
[...]

VLB won't help a lot under linux, as the driver only supports good'ol WD mode.
Instead of paying for on board cache memory you'd better put RAM directly on
your system : Linux will manage it more efficiently.
I have upgraded my box to 16M and now it really flies under X (it's only a
poor DX33). RAM makes the difference under Linux.
About a board with scsi, sorry, but never heard of such one. The bios should
help if you're planning to boot with a scsi hd (that is what I understood -) )

:                       TIA,
:                       Wayne
Hope this helps
-- 
D.Barth ([email-masked])         "Linux, the choice of a GNU generation"

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From: [email-masked] (Erik Corry)
Subject: Re: One answer and I'm happy !
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 02:09:37 GMT

Markus Gruenkorn (MAGIC) (rg1734@edfd) wrote:
: Hi guys !
: We have a very heterogeneous network with the Operating Systems :
: Solaris, Sun-Os, Os2, DOS/WINDOWS, MAC-OS, CLIX,OS 400, IRIX, AIX, HP-UX,
: sco-xenix, linux, ... 
: Linux can easy be used as a print server for most of the OS's .
: Most of the unix/os2 systems print to the linux-box using lpr (berkley printing
:  system), and the dos/windows systems print files whith pcnfs own printing mechanism .
: It would be very nice if I can find an implementation of the system-V print spooling
: for linux, because there are some unix systems which only have a system-V style print spooling implemented!
: Any information is appreciated !
: Thanks in advance !

: PS:  It 's the third time I'm posting my problem , I never got an answer !

If you don't find anything else, perhaps you can use the AIX machine as
a sort of translator. I think AIX understands both systems. It's not
a nice solution, but...

--
-- 
Erik Corry, Skagerrakstr. 2, 79100 Freiburg, Germany, +49 761 406637
[email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 21:18:11 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (J.J. Paijmans) writes:
>
>Funny. I travelled the road in the opposite direction. OK If and when
>I have to do something that involves greek or hebrew (once a year), I
>revert to Windows.

How about calling it "regression"?  Too bad it's still necessary.  There
is evidence, though, that the WWW community will soon address the multiple-
language "problem" by extending HTML+ appropriately.  I can't wait for the
day when I can just make papers that quote several languages available in
electronic form, and can relegate hardcopy to onside as-needed production!

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              [email-masked]
   [email-masked]          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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From: [email-masked] (Leung Danny Pui Fun)
Subject: Is Buslogic 545s (ISA) supported?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 06:02:48 GMT

Hello guys,

I'm going to get a bigger disk for Linux and wondering if Buslogic
545s (ISA version) is supported. I only know the VLB version is supported.

Thanks in advanced.

Danny

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From: [email-masked] (Kevin C. Dorff)
Subject: Problem with TERM
Date: 11 Oct 1994 17:27:06 GMT

I downloaded TERM 2.14 (I believe, the lastest one on sunsite) and
compiled it on an ultrix machine here and on my 1.0.9 Linux at home.
I used Seyon to connect, ran linecheck, updated ~/.term/termrc
with correct escape and ignore values on each side,
and start term (with the suggested command line options from Term.HOWTO),
quit seyon without hanging up, and started term locally (again with
suggested command line params including "-r") and tried "trsh"
and after pressing returns a few times I get the prompt, I can do
a little and then it just stops transmitting for no obvious reason.
I can see the send/receive lights flashing on the modem, so the
two sides are talking to each other, BUT it is dead. At this point,
if I open another window and try trsh again, it doesn't connect
to the other term at all and I can just press "^C" to quit the new
trsh, but the original trsh is locked. When I close everything down
(sometimes echo '00000' > /dev/modem works) and look in the log
file on linux I see an error message about "gethostbyname...".
On the ultrix side I see nothing or '00000'.

Is it possible that linecheck missed something? (I have not had
better luck so far with expanding the escapes, but when I tried
them covering a lot more I had no luck with term, now  at least
it starts to work).

I have not had term work correctly for more than 1-2 minutes.
During that 1-2 minutes, the 2nd time, I tried to use "txconn"
but I couldn't get it to give me a good display name. Hmm!!

Do I need to get a newer version of linux? Do I need an older version
of term? I don't get it!!

K

--
Kevin C. Dorff                          5800 Osuna NE #93
[email-masked]                    Albuquerque, NM 87109
-=> Let's Go Paragliding! <=-           505-889-3254

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From: [email-masked] (Alexandra Griffin)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 13 Oct 1994 12:35:51 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Jason Saunders <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>I wonder if anyone has tried running the new DX2-80 at 90 or 100MHz? Now that
>would be something to reckon with! A DX2-100 would in fact be faster than a
>DX4-100.

But the DX/4-100 *can* be run as a dx/2-- one of its pins (previously
a no-connect on other 486's) will select whether the external clock is
multipled by 2 or 3, depending on whether it's tied high or low.  So,
invert the usual state of this pin, up the bus clock to 50MHz, and you
should get a substantial performance gain (assuming the rest of the
motherboard, in particular the cache SRAMs, can keep up).  This
selector pin is in the specs, but I've never heard of anyone using it.
It should also be possible to overclock a DX/4 a little bit without
bad thermal problems, since it's a 3.3V chip...
-- alex

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From: [email-masked] (Mitchum DSouza)
Subject: Re: /lib/ld.so: cache ... is corrupt. Help.
Date: 13 Oct 1994 09:24:15 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
writes:
|> I'm currently in a fix.  I shutdown my system while doing a tar to tape. 
|> The
|> system shutdown properly but now when I reboot I get:
|> 
|> /lib/ld.so: cache "/etc/ld.co.cache' is corrupt.
|> 
|> This message appears when I do anything... changing directories, signing on
|> or
|> off, etc.
|> 
|> When I shutdown, i get:
|> 
|> ... /etc/mtab.temp : no room on device.
|> 
|> I've tried booting from diskette and deleting those files (actually renaming
|> them just in case) after which they're rebuilt with exactly the same error. 
|> Can anyone give me a hint as to what to try next?  Is there a manpage that
|> describes this problem?

Just rerun "ldconfig" or "rm /etc/ld.so.cache"

Mitch

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From: [email-masked] (Jason Saunders)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 13 Oct 1994 10:27:08 +0100

In article <[email-masked]>,
        [email-masked] (John Palaima) writes:

+Hah.  Apparently you didn't hear that the Am486 DX/2 66 could be safely
+over-clocked to run at 80Mhz.  All the DX2-80 is is a relabeled DX2-66.
+That's why it's not much more expensive.  It's the same chip.  Anyone wanna
+take bets that new 66Mhz chips will be "crippled" so they can't be over-
+clocked? :)  

Saying that you could call an intel DX50 a relabeled DX33! The only difference
is that they ran a batch at a higher clock rate and they didn't fry. That's
why the DX50 is so much more expensive - they have to throw out a lot more of
them. 

I wonder if anyone has tried running the new DX2-80 at 90 or 100MHz? Now that
would be something to reckon with! A DX2-100 would in fact be faster than a
DX4-100.

Jason
-- 
                            Jason L Saunders
                       Argo Business Consultants
    22 Samuel Hayward House, Roseberry Avenue, Coventry, UK, CV2 1QR
                          Tel: (0203) 666454

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From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Z Modem weird problems
Date: 11 Oct 1994 17:31:41 GMT

  A couple of days ago I posted about not being able to use
 sz to download files from a Linux system to a DOS system.
 
  Both are using 14.4k modems with 19200 as DTE speed. Both
 are using RTC/CTS hardware flow control.
 
  I discovered yesterday that if the connection is made at
 a slower speed sz works. As long as throughput is below
 1500 cps all is OK. When above this the DOS machine receives
 the first 19k and then starts to choke, giving timeouts and
 CRC errors, etc
 
  Anyone know why this is ? Any possible solutions ? Is there
 some other source for a Z Modem transfer program ( or indeed
 any other program that allows me to download files from 
 Linux to DOS using serial modem connection ) ?
 
  Thanks in advance.

  C U!
 
   Mario Valente

--
Et in Arcadia Ego

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:20:12 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Daniel Zappala <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Alexandra Griffin) writes:
>> In article <[email-masked]>, Daniel Zappala <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> >
>> >In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Sam Brown) writes:
>> >
>> >I have an AMD 486DX-40.  Any news on an add-in from AMD to turn this into a
>> >486DX2-80, or do I need to buy a whole new chip?
>> 
>> Nope, sorry... the dx/2 chips are different inside (have a PLL circuit
>> to double their on-chip clock, and extra interface logic to hook up to
>> the half-speed external bus), and of course you can't very well modify
>> a silicon die after it's been made!
>> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>But doesn't Intel sell a chip that upgrades a 486DX-33 into a 486DX2-66?
>How do they manage that?
>
>
>Daniel
Answer: they don't.  What they sell is a REPLACEMENT processor, the DX2/66.
You pull your old chip out and plug the DX2-66 in instead.  Since its 
EXTERNAL speed is still 33mhz, it looks to the rest of your machine like 
your old chip, but INTERNALLY it process instructions twice as fast.

JK

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 21:32:11 GMT

[email-masked] (Byron A Jeff) writes:
>
>You and I are in agreement on this, Richard. Linux is in desparate need
>of it's own wordprocessor, not a typesetter.
>
>The problem is what's be best/fastest way to accomlish this. Some observations
>
>1) Must be native. Until we reach a point where emulation is standard and
>   stable in Linux distributions we need a unpack and go package.
> 
>2) Simple. Unfortunately that means that Richard's pet peeve - multiligualness
>   must be put on the back burner.

This is quite right.  It *is* a pet peeve of mine.  Hmmm.  I guess my
only worry is that if someone designs a system with no thought of multi-
linguality, this will be hard to graft on later.  Bidirectional wordwrap,
though not exceedingly complex, is hard to work in after the fact.  Input
methods for Japanese characters, contextual Arabic forms, and so on also
need to be at least given a nod early on.

These things don't all need to be implemented.  Just taken into the over-
all scope of the project so that, for example, someone who's interested
(or funded) could see to it that such capabilities were added.

Does this make sense?

>Linux needs it's own Wordprocessor. Something simple, elegant, and moderately
>powerful. And we need it yesterday.
>
>The question is how to accomplish this?

Word processing is a very specialized type of programming, involving all
sorts of knowledge that most programmers don't have - in particular how
writers in many different fields do their work.  Typography is also quite
specialized, as are various low-level details such as printer interfaces
and drivers, and GUIs.  Then there is the problem of coding schemes, such
as Unicode.  I doubt many technical people have much training in the kinds
of considerations that go into the design philosophy of Unicode, or of
SGML, for that matter (which should also come into the picture, like it
or not).

It's no wonder to me that it's been difficult to find anyone to fill this
void.  There are a lot of us out here who could fill one or another part
of the void.  We need the technical equivalent of a "Refridgerator" Perry
to fill this one, though.

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              [email-masked]
   [email-masked]          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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From: [email-masked] (Martin Eggen)
Subject: Re: Idle daemon
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:11:11 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
[email-masked] (Van Dao Mai) wrote:
> Idle daemon for linux? Can anyone give me the name of it please

What's an idle daemon? :-)
Does that have something to do with idle-time?? :)

Martin :)

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