Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #930
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 13:13:12 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #930, Volume #2                Thu, 13 Oct 94 13:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system? (Jeff Kesselman)
  Re: XFree86-3.1 binaries incomplete at tsx-11.mit.edu (Comrad Cramer)
  Re: X vs non-X users? (John William Chambless)
  dip and Xylogics annex (dynamic SLIP) help needed (Daniel Damon Roscigno)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Andrew Whyte)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Andrew Whyte)
  800x600 Xconfig settings (news)
  Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Jeff Kesselman)
  Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm) (Tim Cutts)
  Driver for Adaptec PCMCIA Card (Ted Wolf Jr)
  Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Dmitri Belosludtsev)
  Overlaid swap files (was Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be  (Schultz, Russell)
  Linux on a IBM PS/2 (Carlos Irigaray)
  Re: dumb terminal just prints ansi codes, doesn't use them. (Phil Homewood)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Terry Lambert)
  Re: "more" quit working.  HELP!!! (Greck Cannon)
  Re: LOCAL: Meeting for Linux Enthusiasts in Atlanta (Mark Buffington)

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system?
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 20:30:07 GMT

In article <wcreator.781703229@kaiwan009>,
Steven M. Doyle <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman) writes:
>
>>In article <wcreator.781683125@kaiwan009>,
>>Steven M. Doyle <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Al Longyear) writes:
>>>I am somewhat confused on this issue.  What exactly is multi-threaded?  And
>>>are multi-threaded and multi-user mutually exclusive?
>
>
>Ahhh, I see :)  People are always throwing the fact that OS/2 is a
>"multi-threading" operating system -- I never saw the point...  I would
>think that there's not much of an advantage. Oh, well... :)

Unfortunately, the term 'threading' is kind of used freely for both kinds 
of multi-tasking. In addition,one coudl proboly call a system like the 
Mac our current Windows, where there are multiple thrads of control but 
no pre-emption or time slicing (also called "cooperative multi-tasking") a 
multi-threaded, though not really a true multi-tasking system

Os/2 for what its worth is most linke UNIX of any of the other DOS 
repalcements.  It too provides a true pre-emptive time-sliced 
multi-tasking system.  (I don't know if 'light weight multi-tasking' is 
supported by teh system libraries or not...)

We use our own light-weight multi-tasking system for our games where I
work (Crystal Dynamics).  The advantages are that LWT (or 'threading') is
more efficient when switching between threads of control, and that all
threads can access the same memory.  This last is also its greatest 
weakness.. if different programs were allowed to access the same memory 
then one program's malfunction could cause a different one to 
inexplicably crash.  This is why both UNIX and OS/2 provide full 
multi-tasking at the system level.

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From: [email-masked] (Comrad Cramer)
Subject: Re: XFree86-3.1 binaries incomplete at tsx-11.mit.edu
Date: 9 Oct 1994 22:10:42 GMT

[email-masked] (C. Eric Williford) writes:
>I downloaded the Linux XFree86-3.1 binaries from tsx-11.mit.edu and
>noticed (disappointedly) that the XF86-3.1.lib tar file is truncated.
>Therefore, some of the shared library files are missing and I can't
>seem to get this file from any other site.  Could someone please
>upload the complete file or put it on an anonymous ftp site and
>let me know where it is?  I'd love to test XFree-3.1.
>
>Eric Williford
>[email-masked]
>

That files is corrupt on every one of the listed sites from XFree86.org.
I took the liberty of downloading it from ftp.XFree86.org and it is complete.

As XFree86.org is rather swamped -- it took me over an hour to get in -- so
you can give nastromo.catt.ncsu.edu a try, but I cannot promise any speed;
it is a 486DX50 w/4megs (at present.)

--cramer

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From: [email-masked] (John William Chambless)
Subject: Re: X vs non-X users?
Date: 9 Oct 1994 17:51:51 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>,
Charles Blair <[email-masked]> wrote:

>   This leads to a more general question.  I wonder whether we are
>approaching the point where software for the two kinds of linux/unix
>users will split the group.  I can't suggest any particular fix.
>As a matter of curiosity, I wonder what the X/non-X ratio is.

Well, for me, a big attraction of Linux in the first place was
to be able to run X.

There may eventually be a need for a special Linuix/XFree group,
soince there seem to be quite a few questions on that combination.

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*  Billy Chambless                  University of Southern Mississippi
* "IBM is not a necessary evil.  IBM is not necessary."  -- Ted Nelson

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Damon Roscigno)
Subject: dip and Xylogics annex (dynamic SLIP) help needed
Date: 13 Oct 1994 14:04:11 GMT

I am attempting to setup Slip to a Xylogics annex.  Everything
goes fine until the annex replies with
Annex address is xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.  Your address is yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy

at thgis point dip hangs.  I have the lines:
get $remote Annex address is
get $local Your address is

in the dip script and am expecting dip to find the address
from the annex output and then continue with the script.  Does
anyone have a working script that they could share?

Dan.

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew Whyte)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 9 Oct 1994 23:34:14 GMT

Daniel Zappala ([email-masked]) wrote:

>In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Sam Brown) writes:
>> picked up a dx-2-80 amd, works great. $210 was my cost $320 w/green vlb 
>> motherboard. extremely stable and fast
>> 

>I have an AMD 486DX-40.  Any news on an add-in from AMD to turn this into a
>486DX2-80, or do I need to buy a whole new chip?

Woah there!!!

The idea of a DX2 chip is an _internal_ clock double. IT uses some devices
to double the externl clock frequency, and the chip is designed for it....

It order to get a DX-40 to _go_ at 80Mhz you will need an external speed of
80Mhz which is currently not available, and besides doing this to the chip
would definatly fry it :)

I have a AMD DX-40 myself, and I changed to clock selector of the mother
board from 40Mhz to 50Mhz
, and now I have a DX-50 :) and without any glitches or over heating :) (I
also have always had a cpu cooler fan on it though :)

SO in basic answer to your question, No you can't. You will need a new chip
to do what you want.. But i would suggest you try the 50Mhz idea, it
increase all system aspects by 25% :) I'm happy.

>Daniel

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew Whyte)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 9 Oct 1994 23:35:49 GMT

Daniel Zappala ([email-masked]) wrote:

>In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Alexandra Griffin) writes:
>> In article <[email-masked]>, Daniel Zappala <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> >
>> >In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Sam Brown) writes:
>> >
>> >I have an AMD 486DX-40.  Any news on an add-in from AMD to turn this into a
>> >486DX2-80, or do I need to buy a whole new chip?
>> 
>> Nope, sorry... the dx/2 chips are different inside (have a PLL circuit
>> to double their on-chip clock, and extra interface logic to hook up to
>> the half-speed external bus), and of course you can't very well modify
>> a silicon die after it's been made!
>> 

>But doesn't Intel sell a chip that upgrades a 486DX-33 into a 486DX2-66?
>How do they manage that?

Its probably a confusing add which is really selling you either a DX2-66
overdrive or a DX2-66 straight cpu.

>Daniel

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From: [email-masked] (news)
Subject: 800x600 Xconfig settings
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 22:58:45 GMT

[ Article crossposted from comp.os.linux.help ]
[ Author was news ]
[ Posted on Sun, 9 Oct 1994 22:57:00 GMT ]

I've got 1024x768 working fine, but can't seem to get the 800x600 clocks
working right. Am using Tseng 4000 and a ViewSonic 6e.

If anyone can suggest the proper (or recommended) clocks, I'd be
appreciative.  

Mahalo

Ron Pellegrino
Kailua, HI

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 18:09:24 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Christopher A Chambers <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Yan Xiao ([email-masked]) wrote:
>
>: 3. Plug-and-Play, no-plug, no-play:  waning CD-ROM can be a challenge
>:     We didn't install everything (has anyone?), thus we picked
>:     packages we wanted from control-panel.  Guess what, we still
>:     have pointers to CD-ROM, such as /usr/X386/lib/libX11*.
> I encountered this problem also, and I did install the packages from the
> CD onto disk, all that needed to be done is the moving of some links..
>
> The only thing that bugs me about the package, is on the back of the 
> users guide, harware compatability list, it sows that the NCR chips
> are experimental, which my chip, the 53c7xx (53c700-66) is listed,
> but I can't get anything at all to work on my SCSI bus.  I've even 

well, thats why its experimental! :)
As I understand it, the 'experimental' designation is for drivers that 
Yygdrasil has acquired but been unable to properly tst.  They are 
included 'at your own risk' as a courtesy by Yygdrasil
(NOTE;  This is just my impression. I don not, nor have I ever worked for 
Yygdrasil.)

> recompiled the driver with debug information turned on, and rebuilt the
> kernal (I can do all this since the Yggdrasil CD supports my 1.8gig HD
> from DOS Bios callbacks), still to no avail.  I've found that where
> other plain slackware distributions wouldn't work, at least I can 
> get a system up and running with Yggdrasil.  

I'm glad to hear that you got the DOS callbacks running, as I've 
suggested it as a solution to a number of people with 'chicken&egg' 
problems, but have never actually used it myself.  I woudl suspect your 
x-freeze problem is becuase it has to drop out of protected mode, and 
thus all multi-tasking ceases, when it talks to the drive.  Thats just my 
guess, but if it is ture I'm not sure that there is a good solution 
(except to get your proper driver working...)

>The only problem with the
> DOS Bios access of my harddrive, occurs while I am in X, then everytime
> the HD accesses, the mouse locks for one minute.  I can fix it by CTRL-ALT
> F4, then ALT F5, but it really gets annoying.. So If someone can please help
> me out.. I need a new driver for the NCR53c700-66 (Or Forex line of VLB 
> SCSI cards)
>
>

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From: [email-masked] (Tim Cutts)
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.linus-torvalds
Subject: Re: Newbies? (was Re: Hmmm)
Date: 11 Oct 1994 16:36:45 GMT

[email-masked] (Starblood) writes:

>(ccnet.ccnet.com>
>Organization: Brussels Free Universities (VUB/ULB), Belgium
>Distribution: 

>What are you guys talking about?? I think nobody will beat me. My first
>linux system will probably be Slackware 5.0. That will probably be the
>first release that supports the IBM PS/2 architecture :(.

Well, look on the bright side.  You're using the only architecture
that'll run OS/2 properly, so fair's fair.  :-)

Tim.
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From: [email-masked] (Ted Wolf Jr)
Subject: Driver for Adaptec PCMCIA Card
Date: 9 Oct 1994 23:29:30 GMT

Does anyone have a driver for the Adaptec Slim Scsi PCMCIA card. It
works great under UGH! DOS/Windows with my portable CD-Rom(Nec 3xp). But
I would reazlly rather run under Linux(1.38)

Ted Wolf     [email-masked]

Thx

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Dmitri Belosludtsev)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 23:18:17 GMT

Daniel Quinlan ([email-masked]) writes:
> Yan Xiao <[email-masked]> writes:
> > 2. More than you asked for: 'more' behaves strangely: in console
> >     (non-X), you'll get segmentation fault.  in X's xterm, you'll
> >     have trouble scrolling.  The problem also affects 'appropos'.

> We are unable to reproduce a segmentation fault.  It is always
> possible that the copy you are running has been corrupted.

> Meanwhile, I might suggest trying `less'.

It seems that the problem is in termcap entry length.
Command ``more'' has limit to termcap entry equal to 1024 (Macro TBUFSIZ
in more.c). If You increase this value ``more'' will run OK.

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From: [email-masked] (Schultz, Russell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Overlaid swap files (was Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be 
Date: 13 Oct 1994 13:56:38 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>
[email-masked] (Moises Lejter) writes:

>   Jeff> instaleld all m ystuff from the commadn lien and so far
>   Jeff> haven't found anything thatw asn't loaded ('course again, i
>   Jeff> don't use X...)
> 
> I installed Linux from the Yggdrasil Fall 94 CD on a Packard-Bell
> 486SX33, with 8MB.  When prompted for a swap partition, I declined to
> specify one, since I planned to set one up later, "on top of" my 
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^
> windows swap file.  I attempted to install some of the software from
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ooooga ooooga!   How to do this? and can OS/2 share the same space?  It
really stinks having 3 swap files.

I'd be excited, closer to ecstatic.

Russ

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From: [email-masked] (Carlos Irigaray)
Subject: Linux on a IBM PS/2
Date: 9 Oct 1994 20:15:45 -0400

Hi, does anyone know how to create a "boot disk" and a "root disk" as in 
the Slackware distribution?
I'm using Slackware 2.0.1 and my runnning kernel is 1.1.52 (I've compiled 
it). What I need is to make those diskettes from my system because then I 
should be able to have my IBM PS/2 booting. (the new kernel support the 
MCA architecture!)

Thanks for the help!

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From: [email-masked] (Phil Homewood)
Subject: Re: dumb terminal just prints ansi codes, doesn't use them.
Date: 10 Oct 1994 10:26:18 +1000

zachary brown ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hi. I recently set up a dumb terminal, and I can log in just fine and
: run programs, but anything using ansi codes to control the screen, just
: prints the ansi code instead of updating the screen. So ls, clear, joe,
: and a whole bunch of others are broken. Is this familiar to anyone?

Yes - your terminal doesn't support ANSI.

Find out what terminal emulation it DOES do... and change the line in
inittab (?) to reflect this.

(or just type 'export TERM=whatever' when you log in...)

Phil.
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From: [email-masked] (Terry Lambert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 00:16:46 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:
] This should be taken with a large bucket of salt, however (as Terry
] Lambert points out), since none of the systems have had an official
] POSIX verification suite run on them.

Actually, VSX (the X/Open POSIX validation suite) and NIST/PCTS (the
American National Institute of Standards and Technology POSIX validation
suite) have been run against FreeBSD, NetBSD, and Linux.

Conformance and use of the POSIX tradmark have more to do with the
process of getting the tests run by an official lab and branded by X/Open
or NIST than they have to do with how the OS's did in the tests.

For those who care, the order from least exceptions to most exceptions
was NetBSD, FreeBSD, Linux for NIST and Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD for VSX.

I didn't run the tests, I don't have that kind of money; so don't
pester me.  8-).

None of them passed with less than 35/49 exceptions in either run.

If someone wants to kick $50,000 out for a lab certification *after*
fixing all the exceptions -- $150,000 for the testbed -- be my guest.

Of course this is all irrelevent since none of the three groups constitute
a legal entity that can entery into contracts.  And without Spec 1170
having been ratified, UNIX branding (the most interesting one) still
requires going through the old branding processs -- ie: licensing and
using SVR4 sources.

It's stupid to argue about standards conformance when all one side can
say is "Oh Yeah?" and all the other side can say is "Yeah!" and neither
side can do anything about the challenge "put up or shut up"...
except "shut up".

                                        Terry Lambert
                                        [email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (Greck Cannon)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: "more" quit working.  HELP!!!
Date: 13 Oct 1994 13:21:51 GMT

Tony Schwartz ([email-masked]) wrote in article <<[email-masked]>>:
> Recently my 'more' program quit working.  I have tried several things with no 
> success.   When I type 'more filename', it simply goes to the next line.  When 

Are you running xdm?  On machines running slackware 2.0.1+xdm, more goes haywire.
It starts buffering about 5 chars before if actually does anything with them, and
then processes them all at once.  Unless I'm mistaken, more uses ncurses to do it's
work, and therein I believe lies the problem.

> I say "ls >more" I get a broken pipe error.

This won't work on any machine.  more is a pipe.  Try "ls | more".
                                                          ^
                                                          a pipe

-greck

p.s.  quick solution: use less.

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Buffington)
Crossposted-To: git.general,git.cc.general,atl.general
Subject: Re: LOCAL: Meeting for Linux Enthusiasts in Atlanta
Date: 13 Oct 1994 09:31:03 -0400

[email-masked] (Robert Story) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]>,
>[email-masked] (Dan Newcombe) wrote:

>:In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked]
>(Vernard C. Martin) writes:
>:>You are all cordially invited to come and join the first meeting of the
>:>unofficial Georgia Tech Linux Enthusiast Organization on Wednesday October 
>:>12th at 5pm at the Georgia Tech College of Computing in Room 201. All 
>:>students, faculty, staff, and others are welcome to attend.
>:
>:(also a little more advanced notice would be nice :)
>:        -Dan

>Ditto on the advanced notice... did it go well enought that you expect to
>have another meeting?

>|   Robert Story    | PEI FAQ maintainer |#include <std/disclaimer.h>|

The meeting was a huge success. The room was full and a large number of
very experienced *nix folks showed up to talk and participate. Vernard
ran the event and I must say that he is the best at making a presentation
lively and interesting. He mentioned that he had sent out the notices for
the Linux meeting last week, but on the moderated groups there had been
some delays in the posting showing up.

The next meeting of the Atlanta Unix Users Group will be devoted to Linux
and a subgroup may be formed out of that organization for the Linux types. 
This will be a really good meeting also so I hope to see y'all there.

Mark..
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