Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #931
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 16:13:32 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #931, Volume #2                Thu, 13 Oct 94 16:13:32 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Peter da Silva)
  Re: Linux on a IBM PS/2 (Staal WJ)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Alan Cox)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Christopher Wiles)
  PAS16 PROBLEM (Yee Hong Leung)
  Re: What is Linux good for? (David Reeve Sward)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Marten Liebster)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Alan  T Shutko)
  Re: X vs non-X users? (David Fox)
  Re: Advantage of having sound card (Mark D. Roth)
  OLD/USED LINUX CDROM address (Gideon H. Chonia)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Trevor Lampre)
  Re: MacLinux (Dave Schmitz)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Othman Ahmad)
  Mosaic viewers not going in background. (Karl J. Runge)
  Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system? (Maxim Spivak)
  Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system? (Matthew Donadio)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (John Palaima)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (John Palaima)
  Linux doom and PPP (Matthew Osborne)
  Re: SW Technologies (E. Robert Tisdale)
  Re: Syquest and Linux (Timothy Demarest)
  Re: Anyone using P90-Plato-INTEL board under LINUX??? (Timothy Demarest)
  Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system? (David Barr)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 14:28:10 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Joseph W. Vigneau <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Linux, which is SYSV based

LINUS IS NOT SYSTEM V BASED. It was developed from scratch using Minix to
bootstrap the process somewhat, but it's not really Minix-based either.

Linux just has a system-V-ish feel, which isn't a bad thing.

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From: [email-masked] (Staal WJ)
Subject: Re: Linux on a IBM PS/2
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 14:19:17 GMT

[email-masked] (Carlos Irigaray) writes:

>Hi, does anyone know how to create a "boot disk" and a "root disk" as in 
>the Slackware distribution?
>I'm using Slackware 2.0.1 and my runnning kernel is 1.1.52 (I've compiled 
>it). What I need is to make those diskettes from my system because then I 
>should be able to have my IBM PS/2 booting. (the new kernel support the 
>MCA architecture!)

>Thanks for the help!

Is this true? Can someone confirm this? 
It would be great, not having another boot/root disk to boot the PS/2.
        Wilco Staal

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 16:00:52 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Mark Tinguely) writes:
>not what I had in mind. Linux does use inittab, and rc.d (runlevels) like
>System V. I guess I see things from the administrative point of view, users
>see things from a shell or library level. No insult intended.

This depends on the distribution. You can equally use the BSD style init
with Linux or recompile sysvinit with NetBSD 8)

Alan
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Christopher Wiles)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 00:38:52 GMT

[email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz) writes:

: >You and I are in agreement on this, Richard. Linux is in desparate need
: >of it's own wordprocessor, not a typesetter.

I agree completely, also.

: It's no wonder to me that it's been difficult to find anyone to fill this
: void.  There are a lot of us out here who could fill one or another part
: of the void.  We need the technical equivalent of a "Refridgerator" Perry
: to fill this one, though.

Why just one person doing the coding?  Did just one person port X11R6 to 
Linux?  Clearly, the answer to creating a useable Linux wordprocessor is 
the formation of a design group.

This is probably a really stupid thing to do, but _someone_ has to do it:

I'm willing to be the coordinator for a Linux wordprocessor project.  
I, for one, refuse to put a DOS partition back on my machine just to run 
AmiPro.

People interested in contributing code are hereby begged to contact me at 
my wsuaix address below.

-- Chris

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From: [email-masked] (Yee Hong Leung)
Subject: PAS16 PROBLEM
Date: 13 Oct 1994 14:05:13 GMT

 I just installed Linux off a CD_ROM.. Here's my problem...

486-dx2-66.. 16 mbs of nonparity ram. plenty of IDE HD.
1 PAS16 Revision -05-D. with SCSI CD-ROM (device 0).
Slackware 2.0.1 and kernel 1.1.50 linux.

here's my problem.. on bootup, the system recognizes 
the presence of the PAS16 SCSI interface... at 
address 0x388 and IRQ15( it may be useful to inform
anybody reading this that the PAS16 I have DOESNT
have any jumpers for IRQ/DMA settings) but instead
of continuing on, th efollowing messages come up:

scsi5: interrupts not enabled. for better interactive 
performance, please jumper the board for a free IRQ.

Stale command on 1:1 appears to have died when bus
was reset.

scsi0: aborting command.
destination target 1, lnn 1

command : Request Sense 20 00 01 10 00..

Also under dos using the MVSOUND.SYS driver
the CD-ROM / PAS16 do work with Windows 3.11
and DOS. 

Also when I tried out WinNT, it couldn't 
recognize my CD-ROM either (but it didn't
even find the SCSI interface).

So, can anyone offer a solution to this problem
or do I go and get another sound card/ CDROM

Thanks in advance.

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From: David Reeve Sward <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: What is Linux good for?
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:11:52 -0400

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 12-Oct-94 What is Linux good
for? by Daniel [email-masked] 
>   I found this group today.  How well does it do multitasking?  Does it run 
                                                                  -----------
> under Windows or DOS?
  ^^^^^----------------

*chuckle*  LOL  ROFL!  *sigh*  What's the point of a FAQ list if NO ONE
READS IT?!
-- 
David Sward     [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Marten Liebster)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 13 Oct 1994 12:22:57 -0400

Gregory Urban ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,
: Marten Liebster <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >
: >So when is AMD comming out with a 486dx4-120? :-)  
: >
: >Marten

: NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!!!!

: Only Intel uses STUPID names for their chips.  AMD will produce a DX3/120
: (clock tripled, 40mhz external, 120mhz internal).

Isn't a DX3 an IBM chip?  If AMD used dx3 it would seem that they were cloning
an IBM chip rather than the real Chip.  I thought that dx3s are used in the
blue lightning system?  I am probably way off, but that is not anything new :)

Marten

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From: [email-masked] (Alan  T Shutko)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 12 Oct 1994 04:22:57 GMT

>>>>> "David" == David Fox <[email-masked]> writes:
In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (David Fox) writes:

David> In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked]
David> (Terence S. Murphy) writes: ] Does editing with emacs offer
David> additional features for the LaTeX user that ] aren't present in
David> vi?  I'm curious about what they are, since I really love ]
David> vi/LaTeX, and don't have problems with it...

David> The main advantages are color highlighting of latex keywords

I have to mention another... calc.  Calc, which is available on GNU
mirrors, is an emacs calculator with an attitude.  It will do lots of
stuff, including solving eqations for a given variable.

The big win is that calc has an "embedded" mode where you play with
the equation in your document.  It can also format the output for
LaTeX.  Makes doing math manipulation much easier.
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From: [email-masked] (David Fox)
Subject: Re: X vs non-X users?
Date: 12 Oct 1994 15:46:45 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Chris Bitmead) writes:

] Pretty well everyone who 
] 
] 1) has enough computing resources and 
] 2) uses Linux as a desktop machine 
] 
] will be running X.

There is also a small but vocal group who avoid X for
philosophical reasons - they feel it is a big botch.
I understand their viewpoint, but I use it anyway.
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NYU Media Research Lab                     baL hcraeseR aideM UYN

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From: [email-masked] (Mark D. Roth)
Subject: Re: Advantage of having sound card
Date: 12 Oct 1994 04:27:58 GMT

[email-masked] (Michael R. McAleese) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Glenn Jayaputera <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>WOndering if I have a lot of advantages if I buy a sound card for my 
>>linux box.

>     I bought one to hear the sounds in DOOM.  Never needed it before,
>don't really need it for anything else.  Well, other than hearing 
>Linus say how he pronounces Linux.

I couldn't live without my soundcard.  I don't even have a fancy one;
just a vanilla SoundBlaster 2.1.  But it serves a function that my
life would fall apart without.

Yes, you guessed it, my machine plays the Star Trek theme at me REALLY
LOUDLY every morning to wake me up.  I may be a geek, but it's tons
more reliable than any alarm clock I've ever had... :)

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   po Y+ t++@ 5+ !j R-- G tv b+ D+ B--- e+(*) u+@ h>++ f+ r@ n+@ y?

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From: [email-masked] (Gideon H. Chonia)
Subject: OLD/USED LINUX CDROM address
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:47:48 GMT

Sorry Folks, 
Here is the address to send in your Old or Used LINUX CDROM for AFRICA

Gideon Hayford Chonia
University Of Zurich
Computing Center
Winterthurerstrasse 190
CH-8057 Zurich
Switzerland

Thanks all

Gideon

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From: [email-masked] (Trevor Lampre)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
Date: 11 Oct 1994 16:45:31 +0930

In article <[email-masked]>,
Colin Beckmann <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Ralph Sims ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: [email-masked] (System Administrator) writes:
>
>: >Trevor Lampre ([email-masked]) wrote:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>: >for confirming what we've been seeing!  I suggest we keep this thread 
>: >open and fill it with additional information until the problem gets the 
>: >attention it needs.  I'm not a programmer, much less a kernel hacker, so 
>: >I can only voice frustration with the situation.
>
>: And what about those of us that DON'T see it?  Basic setup is a
>: dedicated PPP link on a 14.4 dialup, NET-3 stuff, ppd 2.1.2a,
>: etc., with an InfoMagic/TransAmeritech CD-ROM combined install.
>
>: I move many megabytes of files around via FTP daily, and another
>: many megs around with mosaic and lynx.  Sendmail+IDA's been
>: rock-solid.
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>If your not seeing be thankful and provide your system configuration
>so the experts can see whats working and whats not working
>
>I am NOT seeing th problem,  Have a  14.4 modem using NET-3 pppd 2.2.2a with 
>slackware 1.2 , and kernel 1.1.30.  I have downloaded 20 and 30 megs in a
>single session via ftp and never had a problem.  I regularly rlogin to
>other sites, once again without problem
>

The problem is not with telneting or ftping out from the machine  but with
incoming connections. Not all daemons suffer from it. On my machine it has
been telnet mostly, ftp rarely, sendmail 8.6.9 rarely, routed rarely. INN
never has a problem even though it gets about 60M of news a day.

Trevor Lampre

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From: [email-masked] (Dave Schmitz)
Subject: Re: MacLinux
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 01:39:59 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (malicia) writes:
> A friend would like to run a free *nix on his Mac powerbook with a 68040 chip.
>We found a reference to MacLinux.  Is anything happening with it? If so where
>can it be found?
>
>thanks
>
>digger

I would also be very interesting in this?  It seems like this should be a 
FAQ...  Anybody have ANY idea of what's going on with it?

 Thank,

 Dave

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From: [email-masked] (Othman Ahmad)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 94 09:44:03 +800

[email-masked] (Harf) writes:

...
> 
>       I prefer Linux, but I use FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 because it more closely
> resembles Ultrix, which I have to run on a DECstation which I assist in
> administrating.

I was told by someone who had not tried *BSD
that Linux can behave like Sun OS which was based on BSD.
Similarly with Ultrix. I believe it is a matter of degree of similarity.

From a previous post, I was given the impression that we need to set BSD
in order to compile easily for Linux.

Is it possible that the presence of FFS and vfork is contributing to the
similarity of FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 with Ultrix?

SABAH is HEAVEN.
If you are born in 1958, you'll cherish beautiful
beaches, corals and mountains very near to civilisations,
               BUT will it last for my children?
Disclaimer: I only speak for myself

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From: [email-masked] (Karl J. Runge)
Subject: Mosaic viewers not going in background.
Date: 12 Oct 1994 04:41:00 GMT

Hi, I've been using version 2.4 of Mosiac (the term verion) thru my modem.
Everything works fine, the viewers, e.q, xv, ghostview, mpeg_play are
spawned OK but do not go into the background. Mosaic waits (with its watch
cursor) until the viewer finishes.

My term Mosiac binary is dated Aug 23. I had a v1.3 Mosaic that did properly
put everything in the background. I have checked the Mosaic documentation and
FAQ and didn't find anything. I have tried a line like "image/gif; xv %s &"
in a ~/.mailcap file but then it didn't even spawn the viewer.

Any help would be appreciated. I just increased my swap by 24MB and I can now
leave alot of viewers running ;-)

Karl
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From: [email-masked] (Maxim Spivak)
Subject: Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 02:43:07 GMT

In article <wcreator.781683125@kaiwan009>,
Steven M. Doyle <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Al Longyear) writes:
>
>>[email-masked] (Keith Kee) writes:
>
>>>Is linux a multithreaded operating system?
>
>>No. It is multi-user.
>
>I am somewhat confused on this issue.  What exactly is multi-threaded?  And
>are multi-threaded and multi-user mutually exclusive?

Multi-threaded: In addition to processes, which can be thought of as 
running programs, there are LWP (light weight processes) aka threads, 
that are usually part of one heavy-weight, or regular, process. Example: 
a process, say a word processor, can have several threads: one main 
editing thread, one printing thread, one spell checking thread. The 
advantage of threads is that you don't have to have the OS switch between 
processes, but instead the process switches between its threads by 
itself. Also, different threads can usually share memory. A context 
switch between two threads usually less time costly than between two 
processes.

Multi-threading and multi-user is _not_ mutually exclusive.

Max

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From: [email-masked] (Matthew Donadio)
Subject: Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 02:43:41 GMT

Jeff Kesselman ([email-masked]) wrote:
: So yes, UNIX is multi-threaded in the sens that there are multiple threads
: of control operating in a time-sliced fashion.  The term 'threading' is
: often used in multi-tasking system however to denote a 'lesser form' of
: multi-taskign that goes on completely within a single process.  thsi is
: also sometimes called 'light-weight multi-tasking'.  UNIX (and Linux)
: don't inhearently preclude this, but implementation of it is up to the
: makers of a light-weight tasking library (such as the berkley light-weight
: multi-tasking library) or teh compiler system in cases where light-weight
: multi-tasking is built directly into the compiler system (as in Modula2). 

The term multi-threaded is also often misused.  Then there is the
confusion about user level threading and kernel level threading.
Packages like LWP and language features only give the impression of
threading.  The will still boil down to normal unix-like scheduling.
If a process has threads using LWP, then the threads will get
scheduled when the controlling process does.  In a true threaded
system, each thread will act independant of each other and all other
threads.  Another feature of threads is "low overhead": sharing text
space, etc.  But this is becoming downplayed with some of the new
fork(2) system calls that do the same thing.  I think the original
poster wanted to know if the linux kernel was multi-threaded (no).
The easiest way to describe this is that the kernel itself can
multi-task (system threads).  I'll have to try to find my copy of my
LynxOS programmers guide to help clarify this.

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From: [email-masked] (John Palaima)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 13 Oct 1994 18:50:32 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Jason Saunders <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>       [email-masked] (John Palaima) writes:
>
>+Hah.  Apparently you didn't hear that the Am486 DX/2 66 could be safely
>+over-clocked to run at 80Mhz.  All the DX2-80 is is a relabeled DX2-66.
>+That's why it's not much more expensive.  It's the same chip.  Anyone wanna
>+take bets that new 66Mhz chips will be "crippled" so they can't be over-
>+clocked? :)  
>
>Saying that you could call an intel DX50 a relabeled DX33! The only difference

What I am saying is the AMD 486 DX2-66 could *safely* be overclocked to 80 Mhz
I *don't* know if the Intel DX-33 can be *safely* overclocked.  Besides, there
is a difference between 33->40 and 33->50 Mhz overclocking.  One is almost
guaranteed to be safer than the other; it runs the chip less out of spec than
the other. :)

>I wonder if anyone has tried running the new DX2-80 at 90 or 100MHz? Now that
>would be something to reckon with! A DX2-100 would in fact be faster than a
>DX4-100.

Now *THAT* would be cool. :)
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-- I wonder if you could make a 386 DX2-300.  *that* would probably kick
   a Pentium's ass. :)

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From: [email-masked] (John Palaima)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 13 Oct 1994 18:59:34 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Andrew Whyte <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Daniel Zappala ([email-masked]) wrote:
>It order to get a DX-40 to _go_ at 80Mhz you will need an external speed of
>80Mhz which is currently not available, and besides doing this to the chip
>would definatly fry it :)

Not necessecarily.  Try putting the system unit sans case in a freezer.  I
read someone's post in another sub-tree of this thread and he said he used to
do that with minis. :)

>I have a AMD DX-40 myself, and I changed to clock selector of the mother
>board from 40Mhz to 50Mhz
>, and now I have a DX-50 :) and without any glitches or over heating :) (I
>also have always had a cpu cooler fan on it though :)

Cool.  I'll try that with my AMD 386DX-40. :-)

>SO in basic answer to your question, No you can't. You will need a new chip
>to do what you want.. But i would suggest you try the 50Mhz idea, it
>increase all system aspects by 25% :) I'm happy.

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From: Matthew Osborne <[email-masked]>
Subject: Linux doom and PPP
Date: 10 Oct 1994 02:54:37 GMT

Hi, I was wondering if someone could tell me where I can get Linux doom?

Also, is there any easy way to configure PPP like there is for slip? Dial 
up program, default scripts, etc... Any help woild be great!

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From: [email-masked] (E. Robert Tisdale)
Subject: Re: SW Technologies
Date: 13 Oct 1994 11:49:25 -0700

In article <[email-masked]>
[email-masked] (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:

>Furthermore, my bank was *thought* I've bounced checks a number of times since
>then (because of errors on their part, not on mine),

It seems that SWT is not the only business with which you have disagreements.

>3) My bank pays checks that they think I've bounced, even when they're large,
>because they know I'm good for the money (I do, after all, have a savings
>account with them with enough money in it to cover the checks, and I've never
>written a check I didn't have enough money to cover from my combined
>accounts), and because they can charge me the $20 bouncing fee even if they
>pay the check.  SWT's bank refused to pay their rubber check (implying,
>perhaps, that the bank doesn't have faith in their ability to cover it?).

Apparently, you are suggesting that Marvin Wu switch to an account or a bank
that offers overdraft protection.

>I might still be angry at SWT about wasting my time and making me pay
>shipping, but if they had apologized for bouncing the check and offered to pay
>the $4 charge my bank charged me, my opinion of them would be many notches
>higher than it is now.

This disturbs me.  It is one thing to use the net to warn people and tell
them about a bad experience that you had.  It is quite another thing to use
the net to extort money from people even if it is just $4.  If you think
that you have a legitimate claim against SWT, you should take Mr. Wu to
small claims court.  Just contact the County Court Clerk in Richardson,
Texas.  If you get a judgement against Marvin Wu, you can recover all of
your expenses as well as the $4.  My personal opinion is that you don't
have a prayer unless Marvin fails to show up in court.  The simple fact
is that Marvin never agreed to pay for any of your banking fees and that
you did agree to pay for all shipping charges.  He doesn't owe you anything.

You needn't reply but I'm sure you can't resist having the last word.
Bob Tisdale

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From: [email-masked] (Timothy Demarest)
Subject: Re: Syquest and Linux
Date: 13 Oct 1994 11:49:04 GMT

Georg Pietrek ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I have a Syquest drive (SCSI, 270 MB) and my question is very
: simple (hopefully the answer will be simple, too):
: How can I use it with Linux ?

: Bye

:    Georg

Install it like a normal SCSI device and it is ready to go.  Get the
SCSI-Howto and you should be set.  I am using a 3270 as /dev/sda
and it works great.  Once it is installed, insert a cart, spin up,
fdisk it, mkfs it and then mount it!

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[email-masked]| Research Information Center          | aqua.rerf.or.jp/
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From: [email-masked] (Timothy Demarest)
Subject: Re: Anyone using P90-Plato-INTEL board under LINUX???
Date: 13 Oct 1994 11:50:52 GMT

Tilo Schuerer ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hy,

: I indent to buy an Pentium P90 INTEL Board, which
: has the nicname "Plato" Because I never heart anything
: about that board I wonder if anybody already used it
: sucessfully under LINUX. 

: If there is enough interest I will summarize on the net.

: I'm looking forward your responses!

: Thanks a lot,

: Tilo

: ------------------------
: [email-masked]

Tilo:

I have Linux running on a system using the Plato Premier PCI II.  Everything
works great.  I am using an old Adaptec 1542C, so if you decide to go with
the NCR SCSI board, you may have some tricky things to do to get it to work.
--
Timothy Demarest   | Radiation Effects Research Foundation| WWW: http://
[email-masked]| Research Information Center          | aqua.rerf.or.jp/
CIS: 100212,562    | 5-2 Hijiyama Park, Minami-ku         | .Inside/demarest/
                   | Hiroshima 732 Japan                  | NewChiba.html

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From: [email-masked] (David Barr)
Subject: Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system?
Date: 11 Oct 1994 12:55:20 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>,
Jeff Kesselman <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Pardon? Thats what I said, I believe, if you read the whole post.  I 
>don't see that your read() is relevent, however.  As long as your kernel 
>is not single-tasking and blocking (as opposed to waiting, an example of 
>such a blocking kernel is OS-9) then you shoudl be able to process eitehr 
>in another thread OR another process.

The UNIX kernel has no clue about "threads".  All it sees are
processes.  The UNIX kernel cannot schedule a thread becuase it
it doesn't know what one is*.  Therefore in a non-threading kernel,
the only way to schedule a thread is to schedule the whole process.

It's not just an "implementation detail".  The underlying UNIX kernel
has to be radically altered in order to do thread scheduling.

It's true that the terminology is muddied often, but that's not
an excuse to use the wrong terminology.  A thread is not really
a true thread of execution if its execution depends on another
task (a process) getting scheduled.  It's like the difference
between pre-emptive and co-operative multitasking.  Sure,
MS-Windows does do multiple tasks mostly simulataneously, but
it's not the same as true multitasking.

* of course exepting the more modern UNIXes that do threading.

--Dave

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