Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #935
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Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 03:13:15 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #935, Volume #2                Fri, 14 Oct 94 03:13:15 EDT

Contents:
  gs printing every second page ? (Karsten Mauler)
  Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Karsten Mauler)
  Need Italian and Spanish Xmodmaps (Jesus Ramos)
  Re: SW Technologies (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
  Re: Linux Journal (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
  Re: Does all SCO software run on Linux (root)
  Yggdrasil & X: What are VGA "clocks"? (Joe Janakovic)
  BUS MOUSE KERNEL BUGS (Bob Wilson)
  Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Jeff Kesselman)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Alexander Williams)

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From: [email-masked] (Karsten Mauler)
Subject: gs printing every second page ?
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 15:04:00 +0100

Hi                                                           11.10.94 / 15:59

can anyone tell me, how i setup gs to print every second page ?
The idea is to print first the front-sides of the paper an the the
back-sides, to make it look like a book.

Cu

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From: [email-masked] (Karsten Mauler)
Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 15:05:00 +0100

Hi Andy                                                   11.10.94 / 15:51

b> What I would like to
b> do is discuss, with some other interested people, various configurations
b> that they are using for fvwm, that they feel provide unique functionality.
b> Also, since fvwm provides "modules", it might be possible to set about
b> making some interesting new ones. 
b> Its just a wild idea, but I'd like to hear from anyone whos interested as
b> well

   Oh, i think it would be great.But i must say too, that my knowlege of
   Linux and X isn't big.I've start with linux since about two month.At
   the moment i tried to connect my two machines :-)
   But if you start such discussion it maybe would very helpfull for me.
   BTW:Are there any Info's about the konfiguration of fvwm ?

Cu

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From: ramos@brixton (Jesus Ramos)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Need Italian and Spanish Xmodmaps
Date: 13 Oct 1994 15:29:14 GMT

If you happen ti have any of these, or know where I can find them. please
e-mail me

Thanks
Jesus Ramos

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From: [email-masked] (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
Subject: Re: SW Technologies
Date: 13 Oct 1994 22:12:35 GMT

Okay, Marvin make a mistake,  we all have.  Jonathan, please
post your s-mail address and I'll send you the $4.00

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From: [email-masked] (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
Subject: Re: Linux Journal
Date: 13 Oct 1994 22:15:10 GMT

Send e-mail to [email-masked] or phone
(206) 527-3385

Craig Kawahara ([email-masked]) wrote:
: How do I subscribe to this linux journal that I've been hearing so
: much about?

: Craig Kawhara

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From: fnrjh@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (root)
Subject: Re: Does all SCO software run on Linux
Date: 13 Oct 1994 21:44:28 GMT

I to have been using wp 5.1 for sco.  I use it with linux 1.1.50 (fast!) 
and Xfree 2.1   Will try experment with Xfree 3.1 later...   Robert
                                     [email-masked]

Scott Weinstein ([email-masked]) 
wrote: : >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Jagdis <[email-masked]> writes:
: Mike> The fact that many, *many* people seem to be using iBCS but
: Mike> hardly anyone talks to me <sniff> would appear to suggest
: Mike> there are few applications that have significant problems. I
: Mike> might be reduced to adding 286 Xenix support soon :-(.

: I posted about this in comp.windows.x.i368unix, but got no replies.

: I've been using WP 5.1 for sco unix with linux and Xfree 2.1 for about
: a month with no real problems. 

: I recently tried to upgrade to XFree 3.1. When I tried out WP, it gave
: give me lots of Xm* error and then wold give me a  seg violation. One time it
: cause my HD to do *something* for about 1/2 hour. I ended up rebooting
: that time.   

: I'm at kernel 1.1.45 and am now back to Xfree 2.1.

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From: [email-masked] (Joe Janakovic)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Yggdrasil & X: What are VGA "clocks"?
Date: 13 Oct 1994 22:03:22 -0400

I keep getting asked this question while trying to install an X server for
my video card.  No matter what I do here (ie. hit enter to accept the
default as it suggests), the monitor can't sync to the video.  I've tried
different values that are all over the map (20 - 135) with no luck.

The yggdrasil docs are no help.

I'm running an ATI Mach64 video card with a 3yr-old 1024x768i monitor that I
have no docs for.  The standard vga16 server works fine, anything else
(incuding auto-detect, ati, mach64, etc) all cause the monitor to fizzle...

How can find out what value(s) I need to specify?

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From: [email-masked] (Bob Wilson)
Subject: BUS MOUSE KERNEL BUGS
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 05:55:11 GMT

Possible BUG with BUSMOUSE Code ********************************************

Linux Kernel Revision : 1.1.50
Mouse in Question     : Logitech Bus Model No. P7-3F
                        (Old Box like, 3 button Style)
Mouse IRQ             : 5

============================================================================

Now watch procinfo    :

Linux version 1.1.50 (root@ihoh) (gcc version 2.5.8) #2 Sun Sep 18
21:14:39 PDT
1994

Memory:        Total        Used        Free      Shared     Buffers
Mem:           18968        6020       12948        4068        2284
Swap:          16136           0       16136

Bootup: Thu Sep 22 12:13:34 1994        Load average: 0.03 0.02 0.00

user  :   0:00:06.48   0.9%     page in :     2219
nice  :   0:00:00.00   0.0%     page out:      416
system:   0:00:20.71   2.8%     swap in :        1
idle  :   0:11:53.88  96.3%     swap out:        0
uptime:   0:12:21.05            context :    30580

irq  0:     74107  irq  4:         0  irq  8:         0  irq 12:         0
irq  1:      4651  irq  5:   9169730  irq  9:         0  irq 13:         0
irq  2:         0  irq  6:         5  irq 10:         0  irq 14:        87
irq  3:      4081  irq  7:         0  irq 11:      1334  irq 15:         0

**NOTICE IRQ 5** (Allowing a minute or two to pass) Here it is again :

Linux version 1.1.50 (root@ihoh) (gcc version 2.5.8) #2 Sun Sep 18
21:14:39 PDT
1994

Memory:        Total        Used        Free      Shared     Buffers
Mem:           18968        6032       12936        4068        2288
Swap:          16136           0       16136

Bootup: Thu Sep 22 12:13:34 1994        Load average: 0.02 0.02 0.00

user  :   0:00:07.36   0.9%     page in :     2240
nice  :   0:00:00.00   0.0%     page out:      451
system:   0:00:23.28   2.8%     swap in :        1
idle  :   0:13:32.14  96.4%     swap out:        0
uptime:   0:14:02.75            context :    35750

irq  0:     84278  irq  4:         0  irq  8:         0  irq 12:         0
irq  1:      5084  irq  5:  11187988  irq  9:         0  irq 13:         0
irq  2:         0  irq  6:         5  irq 10:         0  irq 14:        87
irq  3:      4461  irq  7:         0  irq 11:      1367  irq 15:         0

**NOTICE SHARP INCREASE!!**

Notes :  I've noticed this problem for a while now, but I haven't done
         anything about it until I realized that my compile times were
         taking WAY to long, and (sigh) DOOM was unplayable.  It is not
         reported in the load average information of course.

         Other problems I've found is that it will conflict with some
         of my low-irq devices, such as my Sound Blaster on IRQ 7.  If
         I am catting a sample to /dev/dsp1 (The Sound Blaster device
         when using a ProAudio Spectrum 16) the sample will pop, skip,
         and jump, and eventually I'll get an IO error with the DSP,
         and the process will die.  I have noticed this problem with
         the original Sound Blaster as well (before I upgraded to the
         PAS 16).

         I have tried compiling the kernel to use the Bus Mouse on
         other IRQs, including 3, and 4.  The problem follows the
         IRQ, and can be seen in procinfo.

         In general, I don't notice any mouse jumpy-ness in either
         X Windows, or under Selection.  However, under selection,
         I do notice severe problems controlling the mouse when I
         am catting to /dev/dsp1.  It will ignore half of my
         requests.

         Procinfo does not show any increase as long as nothing is
         using the mouse.  ie, X isn't running, or selection isn't
         running.  But the second they startup whether or not I move
         the mouse, it climbs *fast*.

         Under DOS v6.2 with Logitechs Driver, and Under Windows AND
         OS/2 v2.1, v2.11, v2.99 (WARP 2 BETA) AND
         NeXT STEP v3.1, v3.2 I don't notice any problems with the
         mouse.

         Other System Information :

         - DX2/66 VLB 20 MB RAM
         - Adaptec 1540 IRQ 11/330h (attached to)
           2 HD, 1 Tape, 1 CDROM
         - ISA I/O Card. 16550 on COM2 (Defaults)
         - VLB IDE Hard Drive Controller (attached to)
           2 FD, 1 HD
         - ProAudio Spectrum 16 IRQ 12/380h/DMA3 (containing)
           SoundBlaster 8Bit    IRQ  7/220h/DMA1
         - 8 Bit Logitech Bus Mouse Controller IRQ 5

** END OF REPORT **

Please email me back with a response, as I don't
usually read these news groups. Thanks.

[email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 00:02:36 GMT

NOTE:  I normally sign these notes with a disclaimer BUt to to the nature 
of this particular gripe list and my at times somewhat harsh responses to 
it, i am going to BEGIN this note with the following disclaimer:

   I do not now, nor have I ever worked for Yygdrasil.  I have no financial
   conenction to them whatsoever beyond being a happy and satisfied customer.

In article <[email-masked]>,
Eric Silver <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Yan Xiao ([email-masked]) wrote:
>
>I bought this version three and half weeks ago as well.
>I was very impressed with the installation program (as compared to
>Unixware 1.1 AS). Very smooth and a hell of a lot more straightforward.
>HOWEVER,
>1.)  I have yet to get minicom to download using zmodem although I 
>     can dial into my UNIX (BSD) Internet provider.
>     Downloaded files using XMODEM protocol will not run, I get 
>     segement errors. These programs include   unzip and joe .
>     Yes, my settings are 8N1. 

My minicom (on Fall94) came configured with a bad flag to the upload and 
download protocols. Jsut go into configuration mode as root and change 
the upload and download command strinsg to remove the flags.

Its worth noting, though that i have had on and off problems oin other 
systems and with other terminal programs with Y and Z modem.  It seems 
not all implementers agrred %100 on what the specs meant.  (Xmodem is 
simpel enough that it ALWAYS seems to work.)  BUT I've been doing Z modem 
just fine bringing stuff down from netcom to my Y-Fall94 system with 
minicom, so I don't think its the Linux protocol thats bad...

>2.) xmodem downloading adds a few hundred bytes to 

We used to have a problem similar to this on the Amiga. Xmodem by 
definition pads the last block if it doesn't fit exactly.  Normally this 
is not a problem, but on the Amiga there is a checksum at the end of 
executables.  we had a program we used on the amiga that trimmed off any 
trailing nulls after a download.

>3.) Simple text editors like joe (give me joe any day I don't
>    use emacs, I don't use vi ) are NOT included. @#$%@!!
>    THIS IS MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT! 
>    (If I had the  joe editor I could have a least done 
>     other work). The   joe editor is specifically mentioned
>     in your install manual. 

Okay. I'm sorry your favorite editor isn't there. Its worth noting that i 
use vi NOT because I love it, but because I CAN be gauranteed all UNIX 
systems have it.  If you are going to chose to use another editor, you 
ARe going to run into vanilla UNIX installations that don't have your 
editor. Grab it off of an ftp site and recompile.

>4.) Mounting a dos disk and copying using the 
>    cp -p /mnt/unzip /home/root/unzip     command results 
>    in a properly copied file BUT the binary can not execute.

I assume you are talking about using the DOSEMU emulator, sicne no one 
woudl expect dos EXE files to run natively under Linux.  I'm afraid i 
can't help you tehre 'cause I haven't used it.

>5.) Attempting to use getty according to documentation does 
>    not work. Therefore downloading known operating versions
>    of files can not be accoplished.

I'm VERY confused. getty is your tty handler. How does this pertian to 
doing downloads?  I'm obviously not following you...

>6.) Ethernet 3C509TP can not ping another workstation on the same 
>    LAN although Wollongong DOS drivers allow this.

Assumign thsi is a supported driver, if you are properly configured, you
should be able to ping.  Are you using the proper ip number?  if you are
trying to ping by host name, have you configued you hosts file?  Network 
setup under UNIX takes a little bit of twiddlign with files.

>7.) No BBS software on the CD although mentioned in the Bible.
>    (If you have room for dup_ramdisk etc, you got room for this.

This is just plain silly.  I'm sorry, but tehre is NO WAY Yygdrasil can 
put ALL available Linux software on the PnP disc.  Just because a 
HOW-TO or informational sheet included in the bible mentioend 
something does NOT mean yygdrasil is supplying it.  if you read the 
intro at the front of the bible, you will find it contains 3 basic 
types of information:
        a) One version of the yygdrasil manual (whichever was current when it 
           was printed.)
        b) various HOW-TO guides from the net.
        c) variosu docs from the Linux documentation project.
Of these, ONLY A is specific to the yygdrasil release.

>8.) No instructions in the manual on HOW to make Xwindows run from 
>    hda1 without having the /system_cd  mounted.

Sure there are.  Use install_component on the x11progs package.  I admit 
that the list of what i in this pckage coudl have been a little mroe 
detailed, but it really shouldn't have been THAT hard to take an educated 
guess at given the names of all the other components in NO way 
referencing X.  Also, thsi info has been nadided abotu here alot.  BTW; 
You DO have the rrata sheet, don't you?  if not, pop over to the 
yygdrasil ftp site and get it.

>9.) The networking component is mentioned in your install manual
>    (pg. 24) but is not available in the install_component list
>    nor is it mentioned in the errata file, nor does it install
>    properly from the Xwindows.

I've installed the networkj software and it instaleld and runs just fine. 
Currently, I'm onyl using one station, but I'm using telnet and the 
socket supprot locally.  Nexst month I'm going SLIp and I really don't 
expect any problems.

Again., did you get the errata?  If not, I wouldn't be suprised if you 
got NOTHING instaleld correctly since there is a specific peice of errata 
regarding one packeage (userbin) that MUSt be installed first from the 
command line before you can use the X based installer.

>10.) MS-DOS MSCDEX will not activate CDROM properly,

Tell us more abotu your problem, like what errors you see, and maybe we 
can help you.

>     bootflpy.3in hangs after the letters   'LI' appear on the 
>     screen. (The story behind this is that UW 1.1 AS was used to
>     copy this file and  RAWRITE.EXE to a DOS PC. So that I could 
>     create a second install disk. The first install disk that came
>     with the package operates fine.

i have no idea what UW 1.1 AS is, but you clearly have a corrupted image 
of the revision B floppy on your disk, as it works fine for me.

If you like, I will send you a uuencoded copy of my 3in revB boot floppy
(which came from the yygdrasil ftp site) and a uuencoded copy of my
rawwrite.exe (which came right off of the Fall94 CD-ROM).  I have sent 
these to many other people who have had no trouble using them. 

>
>Other than these few insurrmountable hurdles, things are just ducky! NOT!
>Before yggdrasil dumps on me, yes I ftp'd errata from your ftp 
>site 1 day after purchasing the package.
>I guess its my own fault. As consumers we should expect thirty-nine
>dollar performance from a $39.00 (plus tax) Unix. I'll be happy to
>post more problems as I come across them. 
>Eric Silver

If I can be frank for a moment, it looks to me like most of your
insurmountable hurdles regard your own knowledge and expectations.  All
the sfotware you cited as 'missing' are not in general in commercially
realesed UNIX installations.  Thats what the net is for. Most of your 
'defects' are unique to your situation, many others have had no trouble 
with these features, particularly after following the instructions in the 
errata sheet.

It IS concievable that you have some very weird hardware that is causing 
some of your problems, but as you give NO specifics as to exactly how the 
sofwtare creashes and what it prinst out, tehres not much anyone can do 
to help you.

jeff Kesselman

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Alexander Williams)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 13:56:08 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Byron A Jeff <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Folks neither TeX, groff, or another other typesetter, or emulated WP like
>WordPerfect under DOS/WINDOWS or SCO is going to cut it here. A Wordprocessor
>is such a critical resource in a computing system that Linux has the potential
>of never making inroads beyond its supposed "hacker/Unix junkie" clientele.

I disagree, at least about TeX, groff etc ``not  cutting'' it in terms
of effectiveness.   That's simply a non-truth.   What we /may/ need is
some kind of  ``front-end'' for those  who don't want the nitty-gritty
of dealing with  TeX directly.    Let's be  frank, what WYSIWYG   word
processor for  other platforms   has  the full functionality  of  TeX?
Admittedly, I used Ventura Publisher  as a word-processor for a while,
I but asside from /that/...

It should be /far/ easier to create a system that backends onto TeX or
groff, depending on  one's tastes (and  which can /read/ those formats
as well,  that's important in  an environ  that  passes them around in
themselves),  and which can use the  tools of  power already extant to
build  on.  Creating  something   from scratch seems  to  /me/   to be
rebuilding the wheel rather than simply making it look snazzy.

Of course, for my money I use Emacs on the LaTeX front, as little as I
know, and keep wishing it had a groff-mode too.  :)

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