Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #941
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Date: Sat, 15 Oct 94 01:13:17 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #941, Volume #2                Sat, 15 Oct 94 01:13:17 EDT

Contents:
  Re: inb/inbc not found (int)
  tk3.6 w/Pixmap patches, shared lib incompatible? (Thorsten Meinecke)
  XConfig for the Thinkpad 340? (Karl Buck)
  Re: ez (was Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?) (Byron A Jeff)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Byron A Jeff)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.09) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: Linux & Windows... (J.J. Paijmans)
  Re: SW Technologies (E. Robert Tisdale)
  nedit for Linux? (Frank Conway)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)
  Re: Overlaid swap files (was Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers (Mats Andtbacka)
  Am I missing something here ? where is -lX11, etc. ? (jim buzbee)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (David J. Boniuk)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Erik Corry)
  Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Grant Edwards)
  Re: [INFO WANTED] C/SLIP vs. PPP ([email-masked])
  Re: Is Buslogic 545s (ISA) supported? (Orc)

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From: [email-masked] (int)
Subject: Re: inb/inbc not found
Date: 14 Oct 1994 15:55:11 +0100

Brian Lane ([email-masked]) wrote:
:   I'm working on a Linux program to run my PIC processor programmer using 
: the parallel port. I snagged the Linux Programmers Manual, and tried 
: compiling the example printer port code. After several header additions 
: my last errors ar the linker not finding __inb and __inbc! 

:   I've looked through the libraries and cannot find these functions anywhere.

they are inline functions defined in /usr/include/asm/io.h, be sure to turn
on optimization (-O), or they will not be inlined, but searched for in the
libraries instead..

  Charles..

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From: [email-masked] (Thorsten Meinecke)
Subject: tk3.6 w/Pixmap patches, shared lib incompatible?
Date: 14 Oct 1994 14:42:38 GMT

I've finally managed to rebuild tk3.6 with pixmap support under Linux, using
  sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/devel/tcl/tk3.6p1l1-src.tar.gz
as source distribution and adding the patch and additional module files from
  ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de:/pub/tcl/contrib/extensions/TkPixmap3.6i.tar.gz

As far as libtk.a is concerned, there's no problem at all (except its size :)
so it seems to be desirable to use the shared library version of it instead.

Since the pixmap patch adds new global symbols to the shared library, binary
compatibility is lost and any executable linked with the original version
dumps core (SIGSEGV) when run. An obvious way-around is to rename the library,
so what about: libtkp.a, libtkp.sa, libtkp.so.3.1.2 ? Shouldn't this renamed
version get a new load address provided by myself or even from the `Linux
Shared Libs Load Address Maintainer' because of address conflicts with the
unpatched version?

I for one can live with any kludge I made on my system, but I suppose the
author of TkPixmap patches (Sven Delmas, see Cc:) is interested in adding
shared lib support for Linux. Sorry for any inconvenience if not.
-- 
Thorsten Meinecke - 31 year old computer addict
Though this be madness, yet there's method in't

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From: [email-masked] (Karl Buck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: XConfig for the Thinkpad 340?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 15:56:44 -0500

I'm looking for a working XConfig file (for either 2.1 or 3.1) for my
IBM Thinkpad. For you owners of other models of the Thinkpad, the 340
has a 64 greyscale screen. Thanks. --Karl
-- 
Karl Buck         
USGMRL                 
913.537.3666 (H)       http://www.ksu.ksu.edu:/~kxb
913.776.2745 (W)       PGP public key available via finger.

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From: [email-masked] (Byron A Jeff)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: ez (was Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?)
Date: 14 Oct 1994 18:14:30 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Grant Edwards <[email-masked]> wrote:
[email-masked] wrote:
-

        [vvvvvv Hey. I said this! BAJ  vvvvvv]
-:  : : Linux needs it's own Wordprocessor. Something simple, elegant,
-:  : : and moderately powerful. And we need it yesterday.  The
-:  : : question is how to accomplish this?
-:  : 
-:  : Who about Andrew's  "ez" ? I think that's what you want. 
-
-: It is X only.  I think Linux needs something more general for non-X
-: terminals.  I spend 90% of my time using MS-Kermit connected via a dialup
-: line.  I imagine that I am not alone.
-
-Whoa!
-
-You want it to run on an uppercase-only ADM3 and it has to be
-WYSIWYG with support for different typefaces and sizes?

Missed the point Grant. Mr. Davis is saying that there needs to be an
application that can be run in a text environment. It doesn't have to be
WYSIWYG (in fact as you've aptly pointed out it can't be). However anything
that can be run on a terminal would be helpful and appriciated.

And 'ez' is close to what we want for WYSIWYG X. 

BAJ
-- 
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Byron A Jeff)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 14 Oct 1994 18:22:58 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Alexander Williams <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Byron A Jeff <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>Folks neither TeX, groff, or another other typesetter, or emulated WP like
>>WordPerfect under DOS/WINDOWS or SCO is going to cut it here. A Wordprocessor
>>is such a critical resource in a computing system that Linux has the potential
>>of never making inroads beyond its supposed "hacker/Unix junkie" clientele.
>
>I disagree, at least about TeX, groff etc ``not  cutting'' it in terms
>of effectiveness.

Effectiveness isn't the issue. The plain fact is that as-is very very few
folks that are currently using WordProcessors will even attempt to touch a
formatter. They're apples and oranges. Unfortunately most folks can't seem
to see that distinction.

>   That's simply a non-truth.   What we /may/ need is
>some kind of  ``front-end'' for those  who don't want the nitty-gritty
>of dealing with  TeX directly.

We need a front end that looks and acts exactly like standard wordprocessors.
What's going on under the hood is quite irrelavent to most of the 
Wordprocessing users out there.

>    Let's be  frank, what WYSIWYG   word
>processor for  other platforms   has  the full functionality  of  TeX?

Apples and oranges. Turn the question around. 

"How many current DOS/WINDOWS/MAC Wordprocessing users would dump their
 Ventura Publisher, WordPerfect, Word, Interleaf and others to use TeX?"

It doesn't matter how powerful or how slick an application is if the
potential users of the application refuse to use it.

Listen. I like LaTeX. I use it almost excluively. However when my mother
wants to write a history test or my father wants to write a speech they
want something that looks and acts similar to WordPerfect or Word.

>Admittedly, I used Ventura Publisher  as a word-processor for a while,
>I but asside from /that/...
>
>It should be /far/ easier to create a system that backends onto TeX or
>groff, depending on  one's tastes (and  which can /read/ those formats
>as well,  that's important in  an environ  that  passes them around in
>themselves),  and which can use the  tools of  power already extant to
>build  on.  Creating  something   from scratch seems  to  /me/   to be
>rebuilding the wheel rather than simply making it look snazzy.

We are agreed. In fact I've been proposing another formatter called
QuikScript which is unique because it's written in PostScript. So the
redering part of the process leaves out the source->dvi->ps conversion.

But we agree on the principal of the process.

BAJ
-- 
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.09)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted biweekly to
comp.os.linux.announce.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not a contribution to the development
of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration
- should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.

Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <[email-masked]>  (urgent email: [email-masked])
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 1223 64238

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From: [email-masked] (J.J. Paijmans)
Subject: Re: Linux & Windows...
Date: 14 Oct 1994 09:46:04 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Anders Eriksson) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>I've hurd a rumour about Linux beeing able to run windows on the console.
>I standard mode of course kind of like an ordinary dos graphic app.
>Is that true???
>
>Since I don't follow this newsgroup regulary, please mail your replies.
>

And for everybody else: No. 

I don't want to hurt the people who work on the WINE-project, but the
persistent rumour "...that you can run MS-Windows under Linux..."
leads people to expectations that are not founded in reality. Such
disappointments may cause people to think that the rest of Linux too
is just hype.

Therefore I would suggest that we, Linux partisans,keep a low profile
on WINE unless at least those MS-Windows applications that come with
the original distribution, work without problems.

Paai.

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From: [email-masked] (E. Robert Tisdale)
Subject: Re: SW Technologies
Date: 12 Oct 1994 18:30:23 -0700

In article <[email-masked]>
[email-masked] (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:

>"The question I am left with here is DOES Bob feel Mr. Wu acted improperly in
>bouncing this refund check, and not as a repsonsible vendor? Comments , Bob?"

I never did and do not now have any comment on this subject.

Have you never bounced a check?

You needn't answer.  I don't think anyone actually cares whether your
self-righteous indignation justified or hypocritical.  Bob Tisdale

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From: [email-masked] (Frank Conway)
Subject: nedit for Linux?
Date: 14 Oct 1994 19:38:18 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

I have recently dicovered an editor for my Sun called nedit.
Source code is available.  I really like this editor, and
will be porting it to Linux for home use.

Has anyone already done this?  If so, I won't waste my time.

=====

Frank J. Conway                        Email [email-masked]
Continental Healthcare Systems Canada
19th Floor, 155 Carlton Street         Phone (204) 942-2992 Ext. 253
Winnipeg, Manitoba                     Fax   (204) 942-3001
Canada    R3C 3H8               

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 04:25:18 GMT

[email-masked] (Alexander Williams) writes:
>
>Let's be  frank, what WYSIWYG word processor for other platforms has the
>full functionality of TeX?

Yeah.  And while we're at it:  What programming language has the full
functionality of assembler?  Who do all you bloody wimps think you are
using 'fun' packages like TK/TCL, PERL, etc.?  Why, when I was a kid all
we had were little switches on the front of the machine; our idea of
programming was entering hex codes.  Visual interface?  Unicode?  Bah.

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              [email-masked]
   [email-masked]          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Mats Andtbacka)
Subject: Re: Overlaid swap files (was Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:20:37 GMT

In <[email-masked]> 
[email-masked] writes:

> Schultz, Russell ([email-masked]) wrote:
> : In article <[email-masked]>
> : [email-masked] (Moises Lejter) writes:
> 
> : > 486SX33, with 8MB.  When prompted for a swap partition, I declined to
> : > specify one, since I planned to set one up later, "on top of" my 
> :                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^
> : > windows swap file.  I attempted to install some of the software from
> : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> : Ooooga ooooga!   How to do this? and can OS/2 share the same space?  It
> : really stinks having 3 swap files.
> : I'd be excited, closer to ecstatic.
> 
> Sharing with windows is simple. The process I use is to create a

      [description deleted]
Also, there is an entire mini-HOWTO written on this. Look up "SwapSpace"
in the doc/HOWTO/mini - directory of your nearest Linux FTP site. That
also should eliminate the problems you said you were having.

      Unfortunately, this still says nothing about OS/2. Does it use a
swap file, or partition? If the latter, what file system, if any - I'm
thinking down the lines of, can it do the same trick Linux is doing.

-- 
   "... Never lookin' back, we were afraid of what we'd see ..."
                                                - Gary Moore

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From: [email-masked] (jim buzbee)
Subject: Am I missing something here ? where is -lX11, etc. ?
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:27:03 GMT

Ok, I must have missed something, or perhaps I screwed something up.  I
cannot link with my "normal" -lXt -lX11 flags.  I don't have 
libX11.a or libXt.a anywhere that I can see.  I have looked around on
sunsite etc, and cannot find these librarys.  Should they just be
symbolic links ?  Please help ! 

Thanks
Jim Buzbee

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From: [email-masked] (David J. Boniuk)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 20:36:36 CDT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (John Palaima) writes:
>From: [email-masked] (John Palaima)
>Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
>Date: 12 Oct 1994 16:16:24 GMT
>Keywords: cpu, AMD, Intel

>In article <[email-masked]>, Rob Kean <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>AMD is about to release, yes you guessed it, their 486DX2-80MHz!!!!!
>>
>>From what I've heard through my venders, It will run about $20 more than an 
>>Intel 66MHz.

>Hah.  Apparently you didn't hear that the Am486 DX/2 66 could be safely
>over-clocked to run at 80Mhz.  All the DX2-80 is is a relabeled DX2-66.
>That's why it's not much more expensive.  It's the same chip.  Anyone wanna
>take bets that new 66Mhz chips will be "crippled" so they can't be over-
>clocked? :)  
>--
>Richard Cooley Extraordinaire           "Yeah.  Arrgh."

I must disagree here. I was unable to overclock my AMD DX/2-66. Oh, sure..if 
you only run DOS it might fly, but not loaded down Windows, or OS/2. I know 
SOME people get away with it, but it was by no means gauranteed. I am now 
running an AMD DX/2-80 in the same machine with the same software.
        It is possible that the DX/2-80 is  simply a sampling of the "best" of the 
DX/2-66s that come off the line, but I would think it unlikely tht AMD is just 
wholesale relabling DX/2-66s to DX/2-80s.

                        DJB

_________________________________________________________________
David J. Boniuk * Team OS/2  * E-Mail: [email-masked] * Austin, Texas, USA
My opinions are definitely my own, my knowledge belongs to many, my abuse belongs to few, my ignorance is none of your affair!
May the wind be at your back...
"This Post is not to be reproduced in any newspaper, videoclip, or other journalistic media."

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked] (Erik Corry)
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 03:04:31 GMT

Marten Liebster ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Gregory Urban ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : In article <[email-masked]>,
: : Marten Liebster <[email-masked]> wrote:
: : >
: : >So when is AMD comming out with a 486dx4-120? :-)  
: : >
: : >Marten

: : NO, NO, NO !!!!!!!!!!

: : Only Intel uses STUPID names for their chips.  AMD will produce a DX3/120
: : (clock tripled, 40mhz external, 120mhz internal).

: Isn't a DX3 an IBM chip?  If AMD used dx3 it would seem that they were cloning
: an IBM chip rather than the real Chip.  I thought that dx3s are used in the
: blue lightning system?  I am probably way off, but that is not anything new :)

According to c't (a German magazine) out today, there is a new chip
coming from AMD ('Q4 1994') which will be called DXL4 and will be
optionally a clock doubler or tripler. Clearly the number at the
end is 2 ** (doubling factor - 1) :-).

(This makes the new 300MHz (330 Specint) Alpha a sort of 'DX256',
assuming it runs externally with 33MHz.)

The DXL4 only goes up to 100MHz, if I remember correctly, and doesn't
have the accellerated multiply or enlarged 1st level cache of Intel's
DX4. That's not to say you can't overclock it if you put your PC in
a freezer...

--
-- 
Erik Corry, Skagerrakstr. 2, 79100 Freiburg, Germany, +49 761 406637
[email-masked]

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:06:28 GMT

Mat Ballard ([email-masked]) wrote:

: more seriously, i'd like to suggest that what is needed, particularly
: to appeal to the average dos/win user, is a series of useful and capable
: applets, in roughly this order of need:

I'm not trying to discourage anybody from developing a nice X11
spreadsheet, word processor, drawing program, or whatever.  

What I don't understand is the wish to make Linux applications appeal
to the "average dos/win" user.  When developing an application for
Linux, shouldn't the concern be to make it appeal to the Linux user?

[...]

: after a while, this, i think, would get your average dos/win user
: happily chugging away on linux.

There seems to be an assumed goal of "converting" dos/win users to
Linux -- and I don't understand why this is a worthy goal.  I'm a bit
of a relativist so I have my doubts that there is a "one true faith"
(especially regarding OS/language/editor preferences).

Do we really care about "market share" like Bill Gates?

Do we want Linux to be a mass-market product?

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  Boys, you have ALL been
Rosemount Inc.                                |selected to LEAVE th' PLANET
                                              |in 15 minutes!!
[email-masked]                          |

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From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [INFO WANTED] C/SLIP vs. PPP
Date: 15 Oct 1994 01:20:26 GMT

     Harmon Seaver wrote in article <[email-masked]> :
>
>   I'm doing a class project to try to convince various grade and high
>school officials that they would be much smarter to buy a 586 and 100
>dumb terminals and run Linux/Xwindows/Motif than buying 100 macs. Or even
>just running Linux in text mode, since mostly what school computers are
>used for is just word processing anyway, and have a few macs or whatever
>for the other stuff. 

        Uh, what word processor are you going to have all those people
using on your Linux/Xwindows/Motif setup?  It's an important consideration,
since as you stated, they will be doing mostly word processing.

        Personally, if they have the money, I think their solution with
100 Macs is a better idea.  Linux and Xwindows aren't particularly friendly
for novice users.  They'd probably be far more productive with the Macs.

        Mind you, personally I don't like Macs, and much prefer the Unix
style environment... but I don't deceive myself into thinking it's the
right environment for everyone.

                                - Michael -

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From: [email-masked] (Orc)
Subject: Re: Is Buslogic 545s (ISA) supported?
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:46:49 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Leung Danny Pui Fun <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Hello guys,
>
>I'm going to get a bigger disk for Linux and wondering if Buslogic
>545s (ISA version) is supported. I only know the VLB version is supported.

   Yes, in both native mode and aha1542 mode.

   My machine has both a 545 and a 542 controller in it, and they
run very happily with the aha1542 driver.

                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ [email-masked]
                  \/

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