Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #942
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 94 06:13:14 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #942, Volume #2                Sat, 15 Oct 94 06:13:14 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! - AND UNFREEZE KLUDGE (Steve Davies)
  Re: Next InfoMagic Linux CD's? (Mark Bolzern)
  Re: Weakest Linux Box (Eric Youngdale)
  Cmix,RT -> Linux,DOS (David J Topper)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Spire Technologies)
  Re: Linux doesn't like my cache (David Flood)
  xview (TheDoctor)
  Re: What is Linux good for? (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
  Re: help computerize a library (Richard L. Goerwitz)
  Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Bill McCarthy)
  Re: Probl. w. Workman1.0 and Mitsumi CD-ROM (Heiko Schlittermann)
  Re: set_time V1.02 - System Time Utility (Harald Milz)
  Re: Need MOTIF Library Clone (Harald Milz)
  Re: Commercial X servers: here's one (Harald Milz)
  spea video7 vega+, LINUX driver (Alexander Grefrath)
  Re: Commercial X servers: here's one (Harald Milz)
  Re: c2ps 1.10 uploaded (Ho-chi Chen)
  Re: A badly missed feature in gcc (J. M. O'Donnell)
  Frame Maker for Linux! (Edmund Humenberger)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Alexandra Griffin)
  Help !! Kernel compile problems (wayne e. smith)
  Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom (RON BARDARSON)
  Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system? (Bouwmeester L.)
  Re: What is Linux good for? (DeJean)

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From: [email-masked] (Steve Davies)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! - AND UNFREEZE KLUDGE
Date: 14 Oct 1994 23:52:03 +0200

We experience a problem on out Linux 1.1.19 systems where
the inetd goes deaf and won't handle any more incoming connections.

If you run inetd in debugging mode then as I recall you see that
select() starts to return -1 [Dimly remembered]

The fix is to kill inetd and start a new one.

The cause?  I have found that the problem is caused by people connecting
with SLIP and using the *wrong IP address* on their end.  In other words
they have configured their IP stack with an address different from that
in the diphosts file.

Perhaps that will help someone,
Steve

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Bolzern)
Subject: Re: Next InfoMagic Linux CD's?
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 20:49:30 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Phil Hughes <[email-masked]> wrote:
>JL Gomez ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: When will the next release of Linux InfoMagic CD set come out?
>
>There were a few rumors posted.  Facts behind the rumor is that they will
>be shipping more like on October 14.  They held up the pressing for
>X11R6.1.  For any of you who already have it on order from SSC/Linux
>Journal a apologize for the delay but we expect it will be worth the
>wait.

Not to mention getting the T1 installed at their new location!!!!

>The price remains at $20 for this distribution.  I mention this because
>there were rumors of a price increase.  E-mail [email-masked] if you need
>more information.
>-- 
>Phil Hughes, Publisher, Linux Journal (206) 527-3385
>usually [email-masked], sometimes [email-masked]

-- 
Mark Bolzern :  [email-masked]    USA Tel: (303) 699-7470  Fax: (303) 699-2793 
WorkGroup Solutions, Inc.    The FlagShip "CA-Clipper and XBase on Unix" People
  FlagShip is a 4GL Database Development System & XBase Porting Tool for Unix
No Runtime Fees   Info at ftp.wgs.com : /pub2/wgs/Filelist OR mail: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Eric Youngdale)
Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:01:20 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Steven Pritchard <[email-masked]> wrote:
>[email-masked] (H.J. Lu) writes:
>>In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Linux Mac Daddy) writes:
>>|> I was just wondering who has the weakest Linux box?  What I mean by this 
>>|> is like anyone running Linux on a 386 with 3 megs of RAM...  I've got a 
>>|> 386sx-16 with 5 megs of RAM and it works great (tons faster than DOS).  
>>|> If anyone has a "weaker" machine that runs Linux (and you actually use 
>>|> it) let's hear it....
>
>>386sx/16 with 4 MB RAM. I am trying to upgrade and waiting for the price
>>to drop :-(.
>
>Well, I didn't actually *use* it, but I booted SLS on my 386SX/16 when it 
>only had 2 meg.  I waited for 2 more meg before installing it.

        My laptop has 3Mb of ram, a 60Mb hard drive, and a 386/20.
Nonetheless, I have a current kernel on there, plus I set up plip so that
I could mount the disk on my "big" system via NFS.  I put microEmacs on there,
and I have GCC (it tends to swap a lot if I use it for more than a small test
file.  I have a separate kernel that I can select w/o TCP/IP if I do not intend
to use networking.

        I picked it up real cheap, but for misc word processing applications
and reading mail it does the job.  I brought my main machine in to work, so all
I have at home is this laptop.

-Eric

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From: [email-masked] (David J Topper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development,comp.music
Subject: Cmix,RT -> Linux,DOS
Date: 14 Oct 1994 21:16:35 GMT

Does anyone know any one or more of the following:

     - cmix for DOS?
          - where might I find it, I've only seen for Linux.

     - Linux / Xfree86 based graphical sound editor to view sound files, etc...

     - Linux / Xfree86 based sound file converter
          - .snd files to .au (whatever format Linux uses) files?

     - RT for DOS/Windows or Linux/Xfree86?

Thanks,

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From: [email-masked] (Spire Technologies)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 14 Oct 1994 11:52:19 -0700

Some motherboards have the CPU mounted on the MB(non removable). Those 
boards usually have another socket to allow you to disable the current 
CPU and upgrade your computer. This is usually expensive.
-- 
                Spire Technologies Ave.
                Portland Or
                Phone (503)222-3086

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From: [email-masked] (David Flood)
Subject: Re: Linux doesn't like my cache
Date: 13 Oct 1994 01:43:39 GMT

Well, finally after 2 boards and a new cache, figured out what was happening.
I was running 5M in the following config: Lower 1M in 256K SIMMS and upper
4M in 1M SIMMS.  Unfortunitly, the 256Kers were 100ms which is waaaayyyy
too slow for a cached 386DX40.  So after pulling them and just using the
4M SIMMS, everything seems to work.  But I did get a bonus in the deal.
The first board had a soldered on cpu where the current one is socketed
so I can later load a SLC in there.

-- 
=============================================================================
[email-masked]

The above opinions are mine alone and do not reflect anyone elses.
Besides, who wants my opinion anyway?
=============================================================================

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From: [email-masked] (TheDoctor)
Subject: xview
Date: 12 Oct 1994 19:46:04 -0600
Reply-To: [email-masked]

What is xview.  Is it a replacement for XFree86?  Is it an enhancement?  
Can I have them both installed on my system at the same time?  What are 
some of the advantages of one over the other?

thanks,

                             ...Mark Ash ([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Rogero Brown (Sys Admin))
Subject: Re: What is Linux good for?
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:58:25 GMT

Daniel Woodard ([email-masked]) wrote:
: >FAQ??? They even don't check the name of the group on which they are
:   That's an outright lie.  I looked for a faq.  Not finding one, I posted 
: this message.

Did you go to rtfm.mit.edu??   That's where I go to look for a FAQ.  There's
always the chance that the posted FAQ has diappeared from my site.

--
==========All Opinions Expressed are MINE, not IBM's==============
Michael Rogero Brown       (uK Development System Administrator)  
IBM (uK Development)         TEL/TIE   (407) 443-6400   
Boca Raton, FL               Internet:  [email-masked]

If you think I speak for IBM, then I've got some swamp land^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
real estate to sell you.

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From: [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: help computerize a library
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 20:54:09 GMT

bob@cocoa-puffs (Robert J. Chassell) writes:
>
>The public library in Lenox, Massachusetts, has received a grant from
>the National Endowment for the Humanities to computerize.  The library
>hopes to become a "Model Library of the Future" that other,
>not-so-large, public libraries will emulate.
>
>I have talked to the library's director, Dennis Lesieur.  He has
>nothing against freely redistributable software; but he knows nothing
>about it (nor much about computerization).
>
>I am looking for advice to give, for volunteers to help remotely via
>email, and, if possible, for a local volunteer to install and maintain
>systems.

Let me get this straight:  The pub library in Lenox has just received
a grant to do something the director hasn't the faintest idea how to
do, and they're not using the money to hire competent systems analysts
to do the implementation, but rather trying to solicit volunteers to
do the work (and afterwards maintain the software)?

I suspect this isn't what you mean.  As it comes off at first glance,
this seems a recipe for disaster.  I can put in touch with some very
competent people who could do the work.  They aren't independently
wealthy, though, and to get them and their time a few dollars would
need to fall their way....

I guess what I don't understand is this:  Isn't the point of the grant
to get $$ for staff and equipment??

Maybe I'm just having a foggy day....

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              [email-masked]
   [email-masked]          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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From: [email-masked] (Bill McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
Date: 14 Oct 1994 19:59:47 -0400

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Manuel Eduardo Correia) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Bill McCarthy) writes:
>
>>> Fer example, I idin't know that there is a FVWM homepage on the Web
>>> til one fella mentioned it in a post to me. Good stuff there for beginners and
>>> advancers alike.
>
>   Could you please tell us poor ignorant souls the location of such a
>   wonder ;-) ?
>--
(snip)

Manuel:

No problem. The url is http:/neutrino.nuc.berkeley.edu/neutronics/todd/
fvwm.html. It's got a lot of good info for fvwm. I for one wish I had known
about the page when I was first starting out in X. The dist I have had a 
sample system.fvwmrc, but the docs said nothing about GoodStuff, for example.
Check it out and have fun! buenas suerte

Bill McCarthy
[email-masked]

"Isn't it pretty to think so."
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT\__Jake Barnes___________________________
LinuX + i486dx2/66 
usual disclaimer 

   

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From: [email-masked] (Heiko Schlittermann)
Subject: Re: Probl. w. Workman1.0 and Mitsumi CD-ROM
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 23:00:10 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Christian Urban <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hello to Dresden .... and all other nice places ....

>I have problems with my Mitsumi FX CD-ROM and the volume control
>panel of workman. Workman is written especially for the Sony CDU 
>drive. You can here Audio-CD with it but not change the volume. 
>Is there a patch for the Mitsumi drive or is there a option that 
>a don't know?

As far as I know, none of the known Mitsumi drivers supports sound
control.  I hope, that I'll be able to put it in my growing driver
baby.   The control codes are known, but it doesn't seem to work.
Don't panic and be patient.

-- heiko

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From: [email-masked] (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: set_time V1.02 - System Time Utility
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 17:43:53 GMT

In comp.os.linux.announce, Todd R. Lawrence ([email-masked]) wrote:
> set_time V1.02-00:

> System time utility intended to be called from a crontab entry, that allows
> one to set their system clock via a tcp/ip query to a host on the internet
> with a known good clock (ie. those who update their own clocks from the
> atomic clocks) This saves you the cost of a phone call there yourself.
> an account on the system you are querying is not required.

That's approximately what the BSD'ish rdate does. IMHO, ntpdate from 
the xntp3.3 package does a better job. 

hm

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
From: [email-masked] (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: Need MOTIF Library Clone
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 18:04:12 GMT

In comp.os.linux.development, Alexandre Naaman ([email-masked]) wrote:
> C.W. Southern ([email-masked]) wrote:
> : I am looking for MOTIF libraries.  I don't need MOTIF, just the libraries.
> : I once saw that someone metion that there where some MOTIF Library clones
> : out there.  Does anyone know about this?  Can anyone help.

> There is a MOTIF clone being worked on as we speak. Check out the Projects-Map

No, it's the "Xu-lib & Widget Set" by Udo Baumgart ([email-masked]).

> file for details (on sunsite.unc.edu: /pub/Linux/Incoming or /pub/Linux/docs (I 
> think)).

I hope so ;^) ftp.ix.de:/pub/Linux/docs keeps it too.

-- 
Every absurdity has a champion who will defend it.
-- 
Harald Milz ([email-masked])      WWW: http://www.ix.de/editors/hm.html
iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine      phone +49 (511) 53 52-377
Helstorfer Str. 7, D-30625 Hannover     fax   +49 (511) 53 52-378
Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's.

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From: [email-masked] (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: Commercial X servers: here's one
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 18:38:01 GMT

In comp.os.linux.misc, Andrew R. Tefft ([email-masked]) wrote:

> No numbers or useful details except price is $199 (which seems steep).
> Email [email-masked]. Maybe I'll see if they will send me a review
> copy for a Linux Journal review :-)

Hurry up, then ;^) ;^)

-- 
Keep grandma off the streets -- legalize bingo.
-- 
Harald Milz ([email-masked])      WWW: http://www.ix.de/editors/hm.html
iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine      phone +49 (511) 53 52-377
Helstorfer Str. 7, D-30625 Hannover     fax   +49 (511) 53 52-378
Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's.

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From: [email-masked] (Alexander Grefrath)
Subject: spea video7 vega+, LINUX driver
Date: 14 Oct 1994 09:55:44 GMT

Hey, can anybody help me with the installation of my VEGA+ V7, 1MB Card under
Unix. I do not have a driver. Where can I get it?
Thanks. 
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: Commercial X servers: here's one
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 18:43:01 GMT

In comp.os.linux.misc, Shawn M Carey ([email-masked]) wrote:

> I can confirm this to a degree.  I was a beta tester of this server
> (for FreeBSD), and it's undoubtedly faster than the XFree S3 server:
       ^^^^^^^
Oh, how come? The latest prodinfo.txt (as of Sep 09) on their FTP server says,

OS Non-Support: QNX
                Coherent
                FreeBSD 1.x, NetBSD.
                Minix
                MS-DOS
                MS-Windows
                OS/2

(of which I clearly understand the last three ;^). Anyway, FreeBSD seems
not to be supported...

-- 
A real patriot is the fellow who gets a parking ticket and rejoices
that the system works.
-- 
Harald Milz ([email-masked])      WWW: http://www.ix.de/editors/hm.html
iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine      phone +49 (511) 53 52-377
Helstorfer Str. 7, D-30625 Hannover     fax   +49 (511) 53 52-378
Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's.

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From: [email-masked] (Ho-chi Chen)
Subject: Re: c2ps 1.10 uploaded
Date: 15 Oct 1994 03:44:29 -0400

p ifcss.org
-- 

 T7-+- _/    +-+
 |>[+] -+-[] |=|
 | /|\ /|\  ~/~\~

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From: [email-masked] (J. M. O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: A badly missed feature in gcc
Date: 14 Oct 1994 13:14 MST

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Orc) writes...
> 
>   I prefer to use them when writing C++ code. // makes my code
>look like assembly language.

More like IBM JCL.

John

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From: ed@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Edmund Humenberger)
Subject: Frame Maker for Linux!
Date: 14 Oct 1994 13:07:15 GMT

I was at UNIX open in Vienna and the general distributor for Austria
told me that Frame will bring with the new version of Frame Maker
in March also a Linux Version of Frame Maker.

Go on.

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From: [email-masked] (Alexandra Griffin)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 15 Oct 1994 09:00:09 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
John Palaima <[email-masked]> wrote:
> [re: heat problems when overclocking...]
>Not necessecarily.  Try putting the system unit sans case in a freezer.  I
>read someone's post in another sub-tree of this thread and he said he used to
>do that with minis. :)

OK, but how does one deal with the problem of frost/moisture buildup
on the PCBs??

-- alex

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From: [email-masked] (wayne e. smith)
Subject: Help !! Kernel compile problems
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 08:46:24 GMT

 I am having a problem trying to upgrade my kernel to the latest and gr8st 
 but am having problems when I boot my newly compiled kernel. The error
 message that I am recieving is "Modules kernel_version doesn't match the
 current kernel. Check the module is correct for the current kernel ,, then
 recompile the module with the correct kernel_version. I have recompiled
 several times, tried numerous make configs, re-intalled from scratch,
 removed and redid the symbolic links and read all of the docs I could get
 my hands on. Everything but that message seems to be working properly. I
 have a 486dx-2 66 AMD with 16mb ram 1 gig hd running v1.0.9. Any help
 would be appreciated...

                                        -=Smitty=-

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From: [email-masked] (RON BARDARSON)
Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom
Date: 14 Oct 1994 18:36:19 GMT

To Kar Keung Isaac ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman) writes:
: >>
: >>Well, first off, I've heard that the code for Linux DOOM is pure C, whereas
: >>the DOS version has some optimized assembly in it for speed. So you should
: >>expect less performance.

: The following is just my guess, and I don't know whether there is workaround...

: First, DOOM in DOS have the permission to do anything on the machine, but Linux
: one can't. The DOS one actually use DMA to transfer data from memory to DMA,
: while the Linux one call X to display an image. What it means, with shared
: memory, is to copy the data to an area provided by X, then wait X to find
: whether any clipping is necessary (e.g. if another window obscure the DOOM
: window that shouldn't be displayed), and finally the X server will copy that to
: the video memory after a color mapping. That long process should be the
: bottleneck of linxdoom.

: Second, DOOM in DOS is near to the sole memory user. In Linux, it must compete
: with all other clients, like the Xserver, the 4 virtual console, the window
: manager, all system daemons, etc., and must also compete CPU time with them.
: This is another bottleneck of the linxdoom.

: That means that DOS is unique in providing such an environment. Even SGI doom
: can't beat it. (However, the superb computational speed and pipeline of the SGI
: should be able to compensate the problem completely)

: Isaac.

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From: [email-masked] (Bouwmeester L.)
Subject: Re: Is linux a multithreaded operating system?
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:57:00 GMT

[email-masked] (David Barr) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Jeff Kesselman <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>Pardon? Thats what I said, I believe, if you read the whole post.  I 
>>don't see that your read() is relevent, however.  As long as your kernel 
>>is not single-tasking and blocking (as opposed to waiting, an example of 
>>such a blocking kernel is OS-9) then you shoudl be able to process eitehr 
>>in another thread OR another process.

>The UNIX kernel has no clue about "threads".  All it sees are
>processes.  The UNIX kernel cannot schedule a thread becuase it
>it doesn't know what one is*.  Therefore in a non-threading kernel,
>the only way to schedule a thread is to schedule the whole process.

>It's not just an "implementation detail".  The underlying UNIX kernel
>has to be radically altered in order to do thread scheduling.

>It's true that the terminology is muddied often, but that's not
>an excuse to use the wrong terminology.  A thread is not really
>a true thread of execution if its execution depends on another
>task (a process) getting scheduled.  It's like the difference
>between pre-emptive and co-operative multitasking.  Sure,
>MS-Windows does do multiple tasks mostly simulataneously, but
>it's not the same as true multitasking.

May be it is worht mentioning that some work is going in that area for
the Linux kernel (see Viper-project entry in projects-faq). Currently, we
have a first kernel up and running understanding the notion of (kernel) 
threads.

At this very moment work is underway to develop an "lwp-create"-like
interface-operation to create another thread in the process space. However,
we are now working on re-directing signals, etc (they should be sent to
threads now, rather than processes).

With some luck, we should have an alpha-release at the end of this year,
which includes a full interface to create threads, destroy them, suspend
and resume them etc. Also, work is underway to port  Chris Provenzano's
pthreads-package to this platform.

After this work is finished (very vague term as it always evolves), phase
2 shall start, which includes full kernel pre-emptibility and bounded
dispatch latency times, prevention of priority-inversion and hidden
scheduling problems (a careful reader knows that this means a true real-time
kernel is underway). Finally, within a few months I hope to purchase a
motherboard containing two (at least!) pentium processors to start development
of a linux kernel based on symmetric multi-processing.

So, all linux-fanatics yelling for real-time support and/or threaded kernels
and/or SMP-support: have some patience as development has already started.
BTW: the HURD-project has also some interesting stuff worth looking at!

Regards,
        Leon.

-- 

          .--.. .--..
         / #  \/ # \ \                  
        |# # #|# # #| \    

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From: [email-masked] (DeJean)
Subject: Re: What is Linux good for?
Date: 14 Oct 1994 14:21:31 GMT

David Reeve Sward wrote:
: Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 12-Oct-94 What is Linux good
: for? by Daniel [email-masked] 
: >   I found this group today.  How well does it do multitasking?  Does it run 
:                                                                   -----------
: > under Windows or DOS?
:   ^^^^^----------------

: *chuckle*  LOL  ROFL!  *sigh*  What's the point of a FAQ list if NO ONE
: READS IT?!

FAQ??? They even don't check the name of the group on which they are
posting. comp.os.
              ^^!!!!!

--
DeJean

[email-masked]
Belgium

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