Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #944
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Date: Sat, 15 Oct 94 16:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #944, Volume #2                Sat, 15 Oct 94 16:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Overlaid swap files (was Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be (Moises Lejter)
  Re: Overlaid swap files (was Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be (Moises Lejter)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! - AND UNFREEZE KLUDGE (Donald Becker)
  Tar | Seyon Problems (David J Topper)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Geoff Rehmet)
  Re: Emacs & LaTeX (Was: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?) (Tim Holmes)
  Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Andrew R. Tefft)
  MINICOM Downloading Not Working (Eric Silver)
  Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Moises Lejter)
  Linux, Adaptec1542C-SCSI-II (Twigt CJ)
  Re: DoomX where (Anthony W. Kay)
  Re: IDE or SCSI CD-ROM (Anthony W. Kay)
  ?????? how many space do I need ?????? (Benny)
  Re: What is Linux good for?
  [Q] Linux for PowerBooks (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
  Re: Problem with TERM (Marko Schuetz)
  getty/uugetty problems in slackware (BUG REPORT) (Joe Rhett)
  How to setup Linux to be a WWW server? (Paul Pearson)
  Which fonts to get for Mosaic? (Alexandra Griffin)
  Re: siscad (Alexandra Griffin)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Moises Lejter)
Subject: Re: Overlaid swap files (was Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 07:49:17 GMT

  Gerry> This may be ok (I have no reason to doubt it), but for just a
  Gerry> little more work you can make it a Linux swap partition
  Gerry> rather than just a swap file.  See the mini how-to for
  Gerry> details.

I know... but it worried me, though, that if Linux crashed I would
have to go through a couple of steps before running DOS/Windows
instead.

Moises
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Moises Lejter)
Subject: Re: Overlaid swap files (was Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 07:54:51 GMT

In connection with all this - I've booted Linux off a few times since
setting up as described in my previous message, and I have found a
small problem. In particular, I do this to set up my Windows swap file
as a Linux partition:

  Moises> - In /etc/rc.multi (or wherever your setup activates swap)
  Moises> add these lines:
  Moises>       # add Windows swap file as Linux swap
  Moises>       mkswap /dev/swapfile 9796
  Moises>       swapon /dev/swapfile

I have noticed that a couple of times it's told me that it is setting
up a swap file that is ~10MB (output from mkswap) then it's told me
that it is activating ~17M (output from swapon) - yet my only swap is
that lone swapfile that is only 10MB.  My total memory, swap plus
real, is ~17MB - but real mem should not be counted in that output
from swapon, should it?

The other times I've booted up Linux, it says (correctly, I think)
that it is activating ~10MB of swap.  

Anyone have any thoughts about what might be going wrong?  Thanks!

Moises
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From: [email-masked] (Donald Becker)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! - AND UNFREEZE KLUDGE
Date: 15 Oct 1994 10:11:34 -0400

[[ I rarely quote whole articles, but this one seemed important. ]]

In article <[email-masked]>,
Steve Davies <[email-masked]> wrote:
>We experience a problem on out Linux 1.1.19 systems where
>the inetd goes deaf and won't handle any more incoming connections.
>
>If you run inetd in debugging mode then as I recall you see that
>select() starts to return -1 [Dimly remembered]
>
>The fix is to kill inetd and start a new one.
>
>The cause?  I have found that the problem is caused by people connecting
>with SLIP and using the *wrong IP address* on their end.  In other words
>they have configured their IP stack with an address different from that
>in the diphosts file.

This would explain a lot!
The problem is unlikely to happen with other connection types.
Most people that could track this problem down have correctly configured
connections and never see the problem.

-- 
Donald Becker                                     [email-masked]
USRA-CESDIS, Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences.
Code 930.5, Goddard Space Flight Center,  Greenbelt, MD.  20771
301-286-0882         http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/people/becker/whoiam.html

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From: [email-masked] (David J Topper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Tar | Seyon Problems
Date: 14 Oct 1994 06:07:23 GMT

Tar Question:

My version of tar gives me the following error when I try to extract from the
following file:

        tar -x Cmix.manual.tar
        tar: can't open /dev/nftape : I/O error

Granted, I did download the file with a DOS comm program and then copy it over
to a Linx directory (having my DOS partition mounted to /dosc).  Would that
make a difference?  Or is there something esle at work here.  

Seyon Question:

So in order to rectify the above situaion, possibly, I tried to download the
file again with seyon.  Whenever I try to:

        sz Cmix.manual.tar

I get a bunch of timeout errors.  Even if I try to time things exactly (i.e., 
type the above command, then do a RECEIVE - Reg. Zmodem, then watch errors).  
In general, I've been having bad luck getting seyon to upload and download
files.

Any help to either of the above would be greatly appreciated.

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From: [email-masked] (Geoff Rehmet)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: 13 Oct 1994 10:35:32 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

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In <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Joseph W. Vigneau) writes:

>Well, FreeBSD is closer to Ultrix (which is BSD based) by definition :)
>Linux, which is SYSV based, also has a lot of BSDisms with it...

Be careful calling Linux SYSV based.  Linux is not based on the SYSV
source tree -- if it were, you would be paying a lot of money.  I think
Linux tries, rather, to take nice features from both BSD and SYSV, and
provide a fairly POSIX-complient implementation (for what POSIX is
worth).

I would rather say that Linux is "Linux-based" rather than "SYSV-based"
:-)

Geoff.

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From: [email-masked] (Tim Holmes)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Emacs & LaTeX (Was: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 94 15:03:20 PDT

[email-masked] (Per Abrahamsen) writes:

> One person is working a limited "wysiwig" mode.  It will not be real
> wysiswyg, but it will do some limited formating and hide all LaTeX
> commands, i.e. much like WordPerfect for DOS.  An early version was
> posted to gnu.emacs.sources (I will not mail it)
> 
In my opinion, this seems like the way to go.  It would provide
compatibility with current documents and allow those who prefer 
to have a WYSIWIG mode.  There could be pull down menus and all 
of the rest of the word processor type conveniences.  Codes could
be invisibly inserted by the program.  If I understand
what this person is doing, it would be like a word processor
which uses "/" commands for formatting.

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew R. Tefft)
Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:59:33 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Terence S. Murphy) writes:
>I don't like the idea of a menu to set the appearance of X because it
>would be too limiting.  What I think would be more helpful would be 
>something like a BeautifyX-HOWTO, or something similar.

Well, Sun has the openwindows Properties tool, and hp vue has the Style
manager. And yes, they are limiting. But on the other hand, they have
the desired result: they give some amount of customization ability
with little knowledge needed, and little opportunity to screw up, and
with VUE, some *very* nice color schemes, which are hard to come up with
for those of us who are not graphic designers, and they are obeyed by most
software (including some you might not want to obey your color schemes).

Anyway I like the idea of a HOWTO, but even better, I like the idea of a
whole package, containing documentation, sample configuration files of
various 'schemes' of things (.fvwmrc's, app-defaults files, whatever),
and a tool to manipulate (choose/install) them.

This package could be used by anyone, not made the default in any
distribution, but available for the target audience to use, and
shouldn't prevent anyone from using newly-gained knowledge to manually
tweak the results. In fact I am frankly surprised that no distribution
has one yet, after seeing slackware's current color install program.

>One thing that would be neat would be a list of nice color combinations.
>Sometimes I see these discussed and I often test them out and like
>them enough to incorporate them enough into my configuration.  And
>whenever I add a new program to my configuration, I'm at a loss to
>think of a new color combination.

Yes, this is tough. I have seen a few available programs come with
really nice defaults files giving nice color combinations: frisk
(risk clone), xpat2-1.00, xv, xpaint (actually I don't know where
this resource file came from but I like it), and Andrew stuff. tcl/tk
applications are generally a consistent beige color, although I don't
really like the default look of tknews. Then there is xmailtool, which
is, well, green. I don't mind it but I know plenty of people who do. And
lots of applications are just vanilla -- mumail, emacs, the old version
of xsokoban, xcalc(ulator), to name a few I have encountered.

Someone (I think it was in a Sunergy email newsletter) once posted
a list of foreground/background combinations he liked for terminal
windows. I adopted only one: DarkSlateBlue background, LemonChiffon1
foreground. I am not a big fan of black-on-white or white-on-black, but
that is my default xterm window, and I use a few other color schemes for
specific windows to identify them: black background with amber, green,
turquoise, or royal blue; pastel-colored backgrounds (green, pink, blue,
ivory) with black text, and some gray backgrounds with hot pink or primary
colors for the foreground. It was tough, but I got my olvwm colors to match
twm's (maroonish borders with silver-gray text).

Just keep me away from cheesy white-on-"dos-blue" (default dos editor colors)!

-- 

Andy Tefft               - new, expanded .sig -     [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Eric Silver)
Subject: MINICOM Downloading Not Working
Date: 12 Oct 1994 07:47:17 GMT

I tried several times to make the rz and rx part of MINICOM work.
I was trying to download a file from a UNIX BBS and the system
seems to just sit there. I can perform this same function using
DOS based PROCOMM PLUS. The order I do things in is;

$sz filename  [Enter]   from the shell prompt at the BBS
ctrl-a r
z             [Enter]
filename    typed in pop up box

Then the system just seems to sit there and no file is actually 
transfered. I have checked the pathnames for valid entries.
Would some please let me know the specific keystokes to make 
MINICOM downloading work properly.
Thanks,
Eric Silver

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Moises Lejter)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 03:35:17 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman) writes:

  yxiao>3. Plug-and-Play, no-plug, no-play: waning CD-ROM can be a
  yxiao>   challenge We didn't install everything (has anyone?), thus we
  yxiao>   picked packages we wanted from control-panel.  Guess what, we
  yxiao>   still have pointers to CD-ROM, such as /usr/X386/lib/libX11*.

  Jeff> Did you follow the erratta and install usrbin first from the
  Jeff> command line before you used the X based installer?  I've
  Jeff> instaleld all m ystuff from the commadn lien and so far
  Jeff> haven't found anything thatw asn't loaded ('course again, i
  Jeff> don't use X...)

I installed Linux from the Yggdrasil Fall 94 CD on a Packard-Bell
486SX33, with 8MB.  When prompted for a swap partition, I declined to
specify one, since I planned to set one up later, "on top of" my
windows swap file.  I attempted to install some of the software from
the CD-ROM to the disk, before setting up that swap partition - only
to have the install process (a) run incredibly slowly, and (b) fail.
Reason was that Linux was running out of memory...

It might be nice to add a note to the doc that mentions that >8MB VM
are needed during the install process - I am pretty sure it is not...

Moises

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From: [email-masked] (Twigt CJ)
Subject: Linux, Adaptec1542C-SCSI-II
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:15:59 GMT

 
Hi,

I have an Adaptec 1542C-SCSI-II adapter for a SCSI-II HD,
this works fine with OS/2 and DOS and stuff.
It just doesn't with linux.
 
I read the SCSI-HOWTO about the problems. It seems my adapter is very
sensitive to cabling problems.
 
I think this is very very weird, because my computer is a finitestate machine.
But apart from that, the SCSI-HOWTO describes a method to MINIMIZE the
problems of random errors,
Is there anyway in which I can SOLVE the problem ?
 
Chris.

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From: [email-masked] (Anthony W. Kay)
Subject: Re: DoomX where
Date: 15 Oct 1994 07:37:28 -0700

Spire Technologies ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Where in the world can I find doomX?

sunsite.unc.edu

I think it is in /pub/Linux/X11/games/action/doom (or maybe 
/pub/Linux/games/action/doom...I forget).

             -Tony

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From: [email-masked] (Anthony W. Kay)
Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI CD-ROM
Date: 15 Oct 1994 07:40:00 -0700

Janusz Smolak ([email-masked]) wrote:

: I'm considering buying a CD-ROM kit and I need some help with selection
: a good package. Can I install Linux and OS/2 using IDE CD-ROM, or do I
: have to use a SCSI? Can anyone suggest a brand name of a good CD-ROM
: drive and sound card that will work well with those two systems.
: I'd really appreciate any info.ct.

Use ftp to pop over to sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu and pick up the
CD-ROM and SCSI HOWTO (in a directory something like /pub/Linux/doc/HOWTO).
They will tell you everthing you need to know.

                      -Tony 

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From: [email-masked] (Benny)
Subject: ?????? how many space do I need ??????
Date: 12 Oct 1994 22:11:31 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

Hello,

    I have one 120mb IDE drive in notebook, and a 1.08gb
external SCSI2 drive. Now I'm going to repartition/reformat 
both drives in order to install OS/2 and Linux OSs. I wish to 
place all OSs in drive C: 120mb drive and all data/applications 
in 1.08gb drive. So I will repartition C: into four primary
partitions, ie, BootManager, DOS, OS/2, and Linux.

    My question is 'how many disk spaces do I need to reserve
for Linux in drive C in order to boot Linux by using OS/2's 
boot manager?' 
(I don't want to make a bootable floppy disk.)  
(I want to use X-WIN or OpenWin.)
(I use Linux 1994 cd-rom release 4.)

Thank you very much..

Benny
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Re: What is Linux good for?
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 14:57:23 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Dan Newcombe) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Daniel Woodard) writes:
>
>>>FAQ??? They even don't check the name of the group on which they are
>>  That's an outright lie.  I looked for a faq.  Not finding one, I posted 
>>this message.
>
>Where did you look?
>
>There is one.  There is quite a bit if you count the HOW-TO's etc...

But it is not posted to this group, which is probably the most logical
place for a newbie to look (based on names). I think this is a very
good argument for support of Ian Jackson's proposal to post the FAQ
in all Linux groups.

jw

>
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-- 
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Associate Professor                       [email-masked]
Electrical and Computer Engineering
Oklahoma State University

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From: [email-masked] (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
Subject: [Q] Linux for PowerBooks
Date: 15 Oct 1994 14:56:16 GMT

Get this....

Just bought a new laptoy manufactured in a small island near China that
starts with a "T".  Dual Color Scan, 486/66, 20 MB ram, 250M removable
hard drive, and 2 PCMCIA cards (Megahertz and some ethernet card).  

Here I am, about to lay back on the couch and write some really cool
network utility to give to the linux community and the %#&! trackball
breaks - THE FIRST NIGHT OUT OF THE BOX!.

I've owned a PowerBook 100 since it was first released.  We've been
to Asia together, climbed mountains together,  my finance' and I fight
over who can use it.  It has never, never had a H/W failure. (I've
even dropped it a time or two).

Can I help someone port linux to a robust HW laptop, like the PowerBook?
I'm really mad at cheap 'Made Over There" hardware that can't even
make it 'through the first night'!!!!

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From: [email-masked] (Marko Schuetz)
Subject: Re: Problem with TERM
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 06:53:41 GMT

[email-masked] (Kevin C. Dorff) writes:

>and after pressing returns a few times I get the prompt, I can do
>a little and then it just stops transmitting for no obvious reason.
>I can see the send/receive lights flashing on the modem, so the
>two sides are talking to each other, BUT it is dead. At this point,

Had the same problem. My connection is through a terminal server.
Escaping and ignoring the codes linecheck returned was not sufficient,
I had to go to seven bit. Now it runs smoothly (termncftp reporting
1.24 K/s).

Marko
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From: [email-masked] (Joe Rhett)
Subject: getty/uugetty problems in slackware (BUG REPORT)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 09:11:49 GMT

A _LOT_ of people who get Slackware complain about not getting 
the getty_ps package to work correctly. I fought it round and round,
until I got the source code, and found these things...

First of all, debug mode can be enabled with -D 777 on the command line.
This is _NOT_ documented in the man page, and it should be!

If uugetty isn't reading the right file, it won't see DEBUG=777 in it's
defaults file. therefore you have nothing to assist you in debugging.
You need -D777 to find this out (see above!)

ALL the documentation (getty man page, the howtos, etc) that come with
Slackware tell you that the configuration files go in /etc/default.
That is true, _IF_ compiled that way. It's _NOT_. It is compiled to look
in /etc/conf.(device)

I recompiled the code with no change. When I looked in tune.h, I found
a line about the FSSTND - Filesystem Standard. When I removed the
 "ifndef FSSTND" and it's results, it properly compiles for using
/etc/default.

A - Distribute Slackware with proper documentation
        and/or
B - Change tune.h, or change the documentation!

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From: [email-masked] (Paul Pearson)
Subject: How to setup Linux to be a WWW server?
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 17:25:46

Can Linux be used as a WWW server?  I assume it can but unsure how.  If you 
could point me in the direction of some information, that would be very 
helpful.  I have looked through most of the HOWTO's but can't seem to find 
anything.  Perhaps I overlooked it?

--Paul Pearson
  [email-masked]

--Paul Pearson
  [email-masked]
  "Please Wait... Brain booting from floppy."

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From: [email-masked] (Alexandra Griffin)
Subject: Which fonts to get for Mosaic?
Date: 15 Oct 1994 19:50:45 GMT

Could someone recommend a fast way to get and install the particular
fonts that the pre-compiled Linux Mosaic binaries try to use (for each
of the Times, New Century, etc. families)?  When a "normal" or "large"
sized font is selected from within that program, a smaller font seems
to get scaled up to the requested size, resulting in horrible-quality
type.  "Small" fonts look fine.  Could someone post either a pointer
to the specific .pcf-format fonts I need to install (for X11R6,
XFree-3.1), or what resources I should change to coerce Mosaic into
using more standard font sizes?

Thanks a lot,
-- alex

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From: [email-masked] (Alexandra Griffin)
Subject: Re: siscad
Date: 15 Oct 1994 19:58:22 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Student van Paul de Bra <[email-masked]> wrote:
>I've been looking for the siscad package at sunsite and at ftp.Germany.EU.net
>and I can't find it there ! 
>Where is it

FTP to ic.eecs.berkeley.edu:/pub/Sis; be sure to grab the "sis-temp"
file as well as the main source archive, since it contains needed
patches for Linux.

-- alex

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