Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #946
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Date: Sat, 15 Oct 94 23:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #946, Volume #2                Sat, 15 Oct 94 23:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: X vs non-X users? (Peter Jones)
  Re: quota (Martin Eggen)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Michael Berthold)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Michael Berthold)
  Re: Linux doesn't like my cache (Bob Kupiec)
  Linux Developer Resource (Infomagic) (Lasermoon Info Desk)
  Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net (Paul Budnik)
  Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net (Dale R. Worley)
  Re: Anyone using P90-Plato-INTEL board under LINUX??? (Marc Tamsky)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Jerry Leslie)
  Re: [H] missing "Close" item onSWiM motif menu (Jason Van Patten)
  Re^2: Beautifying Linux/Xfree (Karsten Mauler)
  Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Prof. Gavrie Philipson)
  GNU assembler release now folded into "binary utilities" package (Ken Raeburn)

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From: [email-masked] (Peter Jones)
Subject: Re: X vs non-X users?
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:30:34 +0000

On 6 Oct 1994 20:37:04 GMT, Charles Blair ([email-masked]) wrote (in article <[email-masked]>):
>    The main reason I still have a DOS partition on my machine is that
> I don't use X, and, as far as I know, there is no non-X previewer for
> TeX that is equal in quality or ease of use to the emtex previewer
> for DOS.

>    This leads to a more general question.  I wonder whether we are
> approaching the point where software for the two kinds of linux/unix
> users will split the group.  I can't suggest any particular fix.
> As a matter of curiosity, I wonder what the X/non-X ratio is.

It also raises the question, "Why is there no non-X graphics support in
Linux, seeing as it _knows_ what the video driver looks like?".  I asked
ages ago about a RIP viewer for Linux without X.  A TeX viewer for Linux
without X would be nice, too.

Maybe people could port the DOS versions to Linux?

-- Peter

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From: [email-masked] (Martin Eggen)
Subject: Re: quota
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 02:31:33 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
[email-masked] (G. Browning) wrote:
> Does anyone know if quota is available for Linux yet?????????
> (for the newest kernel version that is 1.1.53)

I dunno for newest kernel, but anyway, quota is included in Slackware 2.0.0,
as far as I know.

Martin :)

|====================| Finger for PGP public key!
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[email-masked]| http://www.powertech.no/~martine/
|====================|

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Berthold)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 14 Oct 1994 11:00:18 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (David J. Boniuk) writes:
|> [...] 
|> It is possible that the DX/2-80 is  simply a sampling of the "best" of the 
|> DX/2-66s that come off the line, but I would think it unlikely tht AMD is just 

That is the way I see it too. There is quiet some variance in modern
processor-fabrication.

|> wholesale relabling DX/2-66s to DX/2-80s.

Why should they do that???

|> 

- Michael

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Berthold)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 14 Oct 1994 11:01:47 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

|> 
|> Marketing shlock.  Intel and MicroSquish - two peas in a pod.

Funny, that the two best-going comanies are always blamed for
doing bad business (jealous? :-)

- Michael

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From: [email-masked] (Bob Kupiec)
Subject: Re: Linux doesn't like my cache
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 00:02:28 GMT

In <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] writes:
>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (David Flood) writes:
>>>Try increasing the cache read/write wait states...  I have a similiar 
>
>>Well, the default is write is 1.  When I try 2, lilo bombs with a crc error
>>during uncompress.  The only other availible setting is 0.  The only read
>>setting is one called 'Cache Read Cycle'.  It is set to 2-1-1-1 and can be
>>set to 3-2-2-2 or 2-2-2-2.  I'll try the others with a 1 write setting and
>>get back to you.
>
>Me again... I upgraded my 386dx33 to a 486dlc40, simple chip swap since my 
>MB directly supports the chip.  Well, 70ns main memory appears to be a bit 
>slow, while my 20ns cache works fine at 40 with no wait states.  After 
>trying bunches of stuff, it turns out that I NEED 1 read and write wait 
>state on main memory, but no wait states on cache.  I had thought that 70ns 
>memory was good up to 40 mhz, but I guess 60 is REALLY required.  I tested 

After reading your message, it has me looking again into my problem.
I'm still looking for the solution... ;-)

I have a 486dx40 with 70ns SIMMS and 256k 20ns cache ram.  The machine
has problems while running with the cache turned on.  (i.e.  kernel
compile errors, garbage reads from disk, Slackware install crashed, etc.)
With cache turned off, the machine runs fine, except ~10% slower on compiles.

I've tried messing with the BIOS setups ad infinitum, with no luck.
Your post made me look again in the motherboard manual, and I found a
jumper setting.  Here is what it says:

"VL-Bus Master Setting

Set JP8 to configure the VL-Bus for zero wait state or one wait
state (default)."

It's currently set to ZERO wait states.   I don't remember exactly,
but I think I switched this (to ONE wait state) to test the cache problem
and the machine ran REALLY slow.  What does this jumper do?  It sounds
Bus related, not memory related.

Has anyone with an AMI BIOS had and fixed this problem?  What are your BIOS
settings?  

The motherboard I'm using is made by SI3 (p/n YM413201).

-- 
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Subject: Linux Developer Resource (Infomagic)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 94 15:18:48 GMT

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From: [email-masked] (Paul Budnik)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net
Date: 15 Oct 1994 11:31:04 -0700

Intellectual property is an important and necessary legal concept in
a modern society. Stealing intellectual property is stealing. However
not all the terms in every program's license are legal and not everything
that is legal is moral.

We need to understand that this is a complex issue with no simple solutions.
Our current laws and current institutions are a long way from optimizing
technical progress. We need to change the laws and evolve institutions that
promote greater sharing while retaining economic incentives to do the work
in the first place.

There are many ways to do this. Supporting the League for Programming Freedom
is one. There is nothing wrong with having a copyright on a program's source
code but there is a great deal that is wrong with having a copyright on
the look and feel of a program or having a patent on a mathematical
method or an idea (as opposed to an implementation of the idea). These
distinctions are not simple and obvious. Lawmakers and judges who are
not knowledgeable in the technology can make atrocious decisions.
Campaign contributions from special interests can lead to even more
atrocious decisions. Reforming how we finance political campaigns can
have a huge impact on what future laws are like.

We need to change anti-trust laws to prevent excessive dominance in one
industry even if there were no anti-competitive measures taken to gain
that dominance. Large institutions are not necessarily bad but single
institutions that dominate an industry inevitably stifle progress. It
made me ill to hear that Microsoft was buying Intuit (the manufacturer
of Quicken), one of the few companies that has been able to compete with
them and win. 

There are experiments in new ways to develop and deliver software
that are evolving. The work of the FSF and Linux are remarkable achievements.
I am trying an experiment of my own in combining the free and commercial
models. I have released a tool for Digital Signal Processing under the
GPL and plan to release commercial versions of the same tool. If you
want to use ObjectProDSP for personal purposes or to create more free
software you can do so without cost. If you want to develop commercial
applications with it you need to purchase a commercial license. My hope
is that I will gain more from making the source code freely available
so others can contribute to my tool then I will loose by giving information
to my competitors.

If you want to be part of the solution and not part of the problem then
you have to understand that there is no simple formula to address these
complex issues.

Paul Budnik

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From: [email-masked] (Dale R. Worley)
Crossposted-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc,misc.legal,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net
Date: 15 Oct 94 20:58:19

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Binesh Bannerjee) writes:
   Gina Goff ([email-masked]) wrote:
   : Suppose you were a software consultant.  You put together a really nifty
   : package for company A.  In fact, it's so popular with them that you decide
   : to market it.  Unfortunately, company A has decided to sell it, too; why
   : shouldn't everyone be able to just use your effort?  How would you feel
   : then?

   Incredible how you just described someone in real life...
   Let me quote from an interview...

   > BYTE: A cynic might wonder how you earn your living.
   > 
   > Stallman: From consulting.  [etc.]

Though, of course, Stallman lives very frugally.

Dale

Dale Worley             Dept. of Math., MIT             [email-masked]
--
On the contrary, it is impossible to separate a cube into two cubes, a
fourth power into two fourth powers, or generally any power above the
second into two powers of the same degree.  I have discovered a truly
marvelous demonstration which this margin is too narrow to contain.
-- Pierre de Fermat, sometime in the late 1630's (translated from the Latin)

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From: [email-masked] (Marc Tamsky)
Subject: Re: Anyone using P90-Plato-INTEL board under LINUX???
Date: 14 Oct 1994 09:57:27 GMT

Working configuration--no problems (believe me, I was amazed I didn't
have to wrestle it to make it work!)  Works like a champ...

Intel PCI Premiere II BabyAT motherboard P5/90  256K cache (36.08 Bogomips)
 version 10 of FLASH BIOS -- it's on Intel's BBS.
2 SMC-Ultra Ethernet cards
1 EGA+ 8-bit monitor
1 ASUS 53c810 PCI SCSI controller (~$80!)
  Quantum LPS540 SCSI hard drive (~$290!)

Linux 1.1.52     (!$0! YAAY!)
Slackware 2.0.?  (!$0! YAAY)

NCR boot disks from slackware release to get started (they are
1.1.19... so get 52 after you're up and recompile.)

Cheers!
Marc.

>>>>> In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Tilo Schuerer) writes:

} I indent to buy an Pentium P90 INTEL Board, which
} has the nicname "Plato" Because I never heart anything
} about that board I wonder if anybody already used it
} sucessfully under LINUX.
--
| Marc Tamsky  ---  http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~tamsky/ 
|   Protect your rights: Learn, Use, And Practice safe encryption.
|
| "My life used to be boring before Internet.  Now, I'm a socialite!" -jkoga

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From: [email-masked] (Jerry Leslie)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 14 Oct 1994 19:50:19 GMT

Byron A Jeff ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,
: James A. Robinson <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >>The question is how to accomplish this?
: >
: >I would think you need to ask yourself how this word processor will
: >differ from things already around (EZ, Doc, etc...).  Once you have a
: >set of proposed ideas on what it needs, what exists, and what needs to
: >be implemented, you can start looking for the right language
: >combination to handle this.

: The primary difference is that I personally feel that we don't need another
: WYSIWYG X based wordprocessor. It exists in basic form in EZ.

: However what's missing is the functionality along the lines of early
: WordPerfect or Word applications. Text based, formatting hidden from the
: user, prints to lots of printers, basic wordprocessing functionality of
: font size and type, text placement, highlights like bold, italics, underline
: etc., and basic table generation.

: In fact HWP is making headway towards this goal.

: I think we can integrate existing editor (JED), menu(dialog), mouse(the
: selection replacement of the Mouseless Commander), formatter (QuikScript),
: and renderer (GhostScript) into a workable system that can meet the basic
: wordprocessing demands of most folks.

: Comments?

: BAJ
: -- 
: Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
: Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
: Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: [email-masked]

Regarding "integrate existing editor", why not make it flexible like 'elm'
and 'tin', where a user can specify an editor like 'vi', 'jed', 'emacs',
or our favorite, 'ed' (not the line-mode ed, but an editor patterned after
DEC VMS's EDT editor) ?

That would allow a new user of this information processor to concentrate
on learning it, and not be distracted by having to learn a new editor as
well.

--Gerald (Jerry) R. Leslie
  Staff Engineer
  Dynamic Matrix Control Corporation    (my opinions are my own)
  P.O. Box 721648                       9896 Bissonnet
  Houston, Texas 77272                  Houston, Texas, 77036
  713/272-5065                          713/272-5200 (fax)
  [email-masked]
  [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Jason Van Patten)
Subject: Re: [H] missing "Close" item onSWiM motif menu
Date: 12 Oct 1994 21:49:02 GMT

:    regular menu        My window menu (Alt+F4, Alt+F5, Alt+F3 don't function)
:  +-----------------+           +-----------------+
:  | Restore  Alt+F5 |           |                 |
:  | Move     Alt+F7 |           | Move     Alt+F7 |
:  | Size     Alt+F8 |           | Size     Alt+F8 |
:  | Minimize Alt+F9 |           | Minimize Alt+F9 |
:  | Maximize Alt+F10|           | Maximize Alt+F10|
:  | Lower    Alt+F3 |           + ----------------+
:  | Close    Alt+F4 |
:  +-----------------+

        Find in your .mwmrc (or the system.mwmrc if you're root and want to
make the change global to everyone) where this menu is defined.  It'll be real
easy to spot.  I'm not sure where it is in the file because I don't have SWiM.

        Add these lines:
"Restore" _R      Alt<Key>F5      f.normalize
"Lower"     _L      Alt<Key>F3      f.lower
"Close"     _C      Alt<Key>F4      f.kill

        In whatever order you want them to appear in the menu.  The new labels
will appear with an underline under the specified character (R in Restore, for
example).

        This should do the trick for you.

                                                        Jason

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Clarkson University               | on sucking till you do succeed.     |
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: [email-masked] (Karsten Mauler)
Subject: Re^2: Beautifying Linux/Xfree
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:54:00 +0100

Hi DAVID                                                   13.10.94 / 18:53

d> This is arleady avialable.  Try GREAT.  Really.  It takes a while to
d> configure, and you should have Motif to get the best performance, but it
   Is it right, that motif is a comercial prog ? Or is there a free
   port ?

"Ansehen ist der gut Ruf, den man geniesst, weil viele schweigen."
 (Zitat: Earl of Chesterfield 1694-1773)

Cu

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Subject: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
From: [email-masked] (Prof. Gavrie Philipson)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 23:50:01 GMT

Well, as for converting DOS/Linux file formats:
Slackware has two little progs, fromdos/todos which do just that.
Moreover, there is a filter (don't remember its name) which converts RTF/TeX.
So it should be easy enough to move files between TeX/WinWord/Mac.

I heard there is a package for Emacs, called AUC-TeX, which uses a special TeX
mode. Where can I get it?

--
Gavrie Philipson
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Ken Raeburn)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 13:24:34 PDT
Subject: GNU assembler release now folded into "binary utilities" package
Crossposted-To: gnu.announce,gnu.gcc.announce,gnu.g++.announce,gnu.utils.bug,alt.lang.asm,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.misc,comp.lang.misc

There will be no version 2.4 of gas.

Version 2.5 will be part of the binutils-2.5 package, which is going
to be released shortly.  Look for a coming announcement...

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