Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #947
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 94 05:13:17 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #947, Volume #2                Sun, 16 Oct 94 05:13:17 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem (Scott Jennings)
  Re: Fintronic ---> VERY impressive!!! (Marc Fraioli)
  Re: nedit for Linux? (Marc Fraioli)
  Root mounted as read-only! (Pat Cai)
  Re: "more" quit working.  HELP!!! (Dmitri Belosludtsev)
  Localized version of Mosaic (Pat Cai)
  Re: inb/inbc not found (Brian Lane)
  Re: DX2-66 @ 80MHz (was: AMD mystery chip etc. etc.) (Anthony Lovell)
  xephem Problems (Jochen Diehl)
  Re: Comments about the Linux WP idea (Richard L. Goerwitz)
  Re: nedit for Linux? (Brian Lane)
  Re: HELP: Linux cannot be installed on 2GB HD ?! (Brian Lane)
  Re: 320x200 Xconfig line (Andrew Robert Ellsworth)
  Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Viktor T. Toth)
  Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Eric Silver)
  Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Eric Silver)
  Re: Trouble-free Linux PC's (Fasal  Saeed  NY Devel X3535)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Byron A Jeff)

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From: [email-masked] (Scott Jennings)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.prog,dc.org.linux-users
Subject: Re: Linux v1.0 SMAIL problem
Date: 16 Oct 1994 00:28:25 GMT

Caesar M Samsi ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I got smtp working with smart-host, but direct smtp with MX records still 
: eludes me.

the smail that came with slackware 2.0 had to be recompiled here to get it
to look up MX records.  Works great now.

 -smj

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From: [email-masked] (Marc Fraioli)
Subject: Re: Fintronic ---> VERY impressive!!!
Date: 13 Oct 1994 00:13:35 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article [email-masked],  [email-masked] (Steve Champagne) writes:
>Based on recent experience, I'd highly recommend Fintronic as a provider of
>systems pre-configured with Linux.  I purchased the following:
>
>  - Intel 486DX2-66MHz VLB basic system
>  - Buslogic KT-445S VLB SCSI Controller w/ ASPI DOS drivers
>  - 1.0GB, Quantum Empire 1080S, 9ms, 512K cache, 3.5x1"
>  - Conner Viper 2525S 525MB 1/4" SCSI tape
>  - Viewsonic 17, 17", 1280x1024
>  - #9 GXE Level 11 VLB 2MB, S3-928
>  - DOS 6.2/Windows 3.1 installed with dual boot (via LILO)
>
>For slightly less than $4100 (including shipping).
>

Wow, for that money you're in low-end RISC territory.  You can get entry
level RISC boxes from Sun, HP, or IBM for less than that, all with 16MB
RAM and at least 16" color monitors.  True, they have smaller disks (Sun
gives you a 535, IBM a 260, not sure about HP) and no tape, but you
get a _much_ faster CPU.  Of course, they don't include source to their
OSes either...

---
Marc Fraioli          | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " 
[email-masked]         |    - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
                      |    Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War

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From: [email-masked] (Marc Fraioli)
Subject: Re: nedit for Linux?
Date: 15 Oct 1994 17:43:08 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article [email-masked],  [email-masked] (Brian Lane) writes:
>Frank Conway ([email-masked]) wrote:
>: I have recently dicovered an editor for my Sun called nedit.
>: Source code is available.  I really like this editor, and
>: will be porting it to Linux for home use.
>
>: Has anyone already done this?  If so, I won't waste my time.
>
>
>  NEdit's home site is ftp.fnal.gov in /pub/nedit/v3_1
>
>  in the contrib directory is a Makefile.linux, so it's already been 
>done(pretty trivial).
>
>  The catch is that it needs Motif, which isn't free. Anyone want to 
>tackle a free Motif compatible X library?
>
Someone is already doing it.  It's in the Linux Projects FAQ, and I
think it's called the Xu lib and Widget set or something similar.  In
the interim, how about somebody who has Motif for Linux making a static
binary of nedit like was done for Mosaic?  Any volunteers?

---
Marc Fraioli          | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " 
[email-masked]         |    - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
                      |    Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War

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From: [email-masked] (Pat Cai)
Subject: Root mounted as read-only!
Date: 16 Oct 1994 02:50:15 GMT

Hi,

  I've been using Linux for several weeks.  Today a bizzare thing happened:
the hard disk was mounted as read-only, and I can no longer start Xwindows.
How does linux mount disks at boot time?  I would appreciate your help.

-- Patrick ([email-masked])

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked] (Dmitri Belosludtsev)
Subject: Re: "more" quit working.  HELP!!!
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 16:48:27 GMT

Tony Schwartz ([email-masked]) ÐÉÛÅÔ:
> Recently my 'more' program quit working.  I have tried several things with no 
> success.   When I type 'more filename', it simply goes to the next line.  When 
> I say "ls >more" I get a broken pipe error.

> This seems really stupid but it has me whooped.  Any ideas???

'more' has a bug - if termcap entry has length more than 1024 chars 'more'
dumps core.

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From: [email-masked] (Pat Cai)
Subject: Localized version of Mosaic
Date: 16 Oct 1994 03:02:22 GMT

Hi,

  I know that there's a localized version of Mosaic.  I've got its patch
file.  I haven't had the luck to build it correctly.  Does anyone know
where I can get the binary for Linux?

  Thanks for your help.

-- Patrick ([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked] (Brian Lane)
Subject: Re: inb/inbc not found
Date: 14 Oct 1994 22:53:59 -0700

int ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Brian Lane ([email-masked]) wrote:
: :   I'm working on a Linux program to run my PIC processor programmer using 
: : the parallel port. I snagged the Linux Programmers Manual, and tried 
: : compiling the example printer port code. After several header additions 
: : my last errors ar the linker not finding __inb and __inbc! 

: :   I've looked through the libraries and cannot find these functions anywhere.

: they are inline functions defined in /usr/include/asm/io.h, be sure to turn
: on optimization (-O), or they will not be inlined, but searched for in the
: libraries instead..

  BINGO!  Great, thanks. I also found some in vgaset.c that seemed to be 
working.

  Brian
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
From: [email-masked] (Anthony Lovell)
Subject: Re: DX2-66 @ 80MHz (was: AMD mystery chip etc. etc.)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 12:26:00 GMT

Andrew Robert Ellsworth ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Unlike
: my friend's P60, which will fry eggs, I can -just barely- keep my finger on my
: heat sink without it getting too hot to touch.  I'm just wondering if I can
: keep my chip within specs (assuming it doesn't kill it right off the bat) with
: the jig-rigged cooling setup I've got now.

: Anyone have any input on this?

If you can keep your finger on it at that speed I see no problem in leaving
it at that, I think the P60's heading for an early grave.
 
--

anthony

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From: [email-masked] (Jochen Diehl)
Subject: xephem Problems
Date: 10 Oct 1994 18:16:07 GMT

Hello!
As proud owner of Motif 1.2.4 I've tried to compile some of my favourite
applications. So, I have a problem running xephem 2.5:
If I select Solar System from the view menu I get the following error
message:

X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access private
resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  28 (X_GrabButton)
  Serial number of failed request:  1879
  Current serial number in output stream:  2095

and the program aborts.

I had no problems during the compilation. Other options work as expected,
e.g. the moon show. I'm using the standard X11 distribution
from Slackware 2.0.0.

I would appreciate every hint for a solution or what I am doing wrong.

Jochen

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: Comments about the Linux WP idea
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 05:48:43 GMT

[email-masked] writes:
>...what will the data structure look like.  Fundamentally, a word processor
>and an editor are very different.  I suspect that the best choice for a data
>structure for the WP would consist of a linked list of paragraphs.  Perhaps
>the paragraph should be implemented as a buffer gap. Also, how will the
>character attributes be stored?  Should we store an attribute with each
>character?  Should the data structure consist of a parallel stream of
>attributes?  Questions like this are going to be fundamental to the
>development of the WP.  I suspect that it is NOT a good idea to integrate an
>existing editor into the WP.

Always willing to play Miss Thistlebottom, let me just remind you guys to
make sure those data structures can accommodate wide characters (e.g. what
you'd find in Unicide) and that your wrapping and other algorithms aren't
obsessive about text going left-right all the time!

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              [email-masked]
   [email-masked]          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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From: [email-masked] (Brian Lane)
Subject: Re: nedit for Linux?
Date: 14 Oct 1994 22:59:00 -0700

Frank Conway ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I have recently dicovered an editor for my Sun called nedit.
: Source code is available.  I really like this editor, and
: will be porting it to Linux for home use.

: Has anyone already done this?  If so, I won't waste my time.

  NEdit's home site is ftp.fnal.gov in /pub/nedit/v3_1

  in the contrib directory is a Makefile.linux, so it's already been 
done(pretty trivial).

  The catch is that it needs Motif, which isn't free. Anyone want to 
tackle a free Motif compatible X library?

   Brian

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 President Thomas Jefferson                        | PGP 2.6 email accepted
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From: [email-masked] (Brian Lane)
Subject: Re: HELP: Linux cannot be installed on 2GB HD ?!
Date: 14 Oct 1994 23:03:18 -0700

Technology Research Division ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Hi :
:   We try to install the Slackware Linux 2.0.1 (1.1.1)
:   on a 80486 pc with the AHA1542CF SCSI card and 2 GB
:   hard disk.
:   During the installation, somethings happened:

: # fdisk /dev/sda

:   The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 2006
:   This is larger than 1024 , and may cause problems with
:   some software.

  I had similar messages installing to my new Maxtor 540meg drive 
tonight. I just ignored them and continued with the install. I'm not sure 
how wise this is, but it's been up for about an hour with no problems 
yet(I've been compiling, etc.)

  Brian

-- 
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From: [email-masked] (Andrew Robert Ellsworth)
Subject: Re: 320x200 Xconfig line
Date: 13 Oct 1994 18:55:01 -0500

Gene McCulley <[email-masked]> wrote:
>|> However, the SVGA server from XFree 3.1 knows 320x200x256 without the
>|> need for a modeline; choose generic svga and it works. 
>
>How do I use this with my accel server so that I can have 800x600, 640x480, and
>320x200 modes accessible from Ctrl-Alt-+?

You can't.  The reason for this is that the 320x200 mode in the SVGA server

1) uses a different chipset than anything else ("generic") to access 320x200

2) uses an entirely different X server (XF86_SVGA) than any accelerated servers
   (XF86_W32, XF86_Mach32, etc.)

Ctrl-Alt-+/- only scrolls thru different "modes" in the modes line of your
XF86Config; it can't scroll thru different chipsets/Xservers.

There -is- a way around this, tho; it involves cloning your startx and xinitrc
scripts and renaming them, then editing them to call the 320x200 server instead
of the usual accelerated server.  It works off of one XF86Config file, too.
So to run DOOM (what else would you be wanting to do in 320x200 mode? :) ) you
just run startx.doom, and that does appropriate stuff, and then calls xinit,
which calls xinitrc.doom (because you've told it to use xinitrc.doom rather
than xinitrc).  Heck, if yer really fancy, you can even have it start DOOM
centered in the right place and everything by editing the appropriate wm stuff
(but only if you're using two different wm's, one for 320x200 & one for sane
mode).  I run fvwm with DOOM and olvwm with my W32 server.  It's a nice setup,
once established.  Quite frankly, tho, it's a pain in the butt to get setup.
If anyone -really- wants the scripts, I could up them if you ask real nicely. 

:)

(warning, tho: the abovementioned scripts are -highly- specific to my machine,
and will most likely require minor (maybe major) tweaking to work)

Andy Ellsworth
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Viktor T. Toth)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:16:30

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Eric Silver) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>2.) xmodem downloading adds a few hundred bytes to  .joerc 
>    and other xmodem file transfers.

That's a problem with xmodem (pads the file to a multiply of 128 bytes since 
it can only transfer 128-byte packets), NOT specific to Yggdrasil or Linux. 
Try it under DOS if you don't believe me.

[stuff deleted]

>I guess its my own fault. As consumers we should expect thirty-nine
>dollar performance from a $39.00 (plus tax) Unix. I'll be happy to
>post more problems as I come across them. 
>Eric Silver

It is not a $39.00 Unix. It is a $0.00 Unix; you paid $39.00 to the folks who 
put it on a CD-ROM for you. As for its quality, I would prefer Linux any time 
over some commercial Unixes (SCO or SunOS come to mind). Commercial folks have 
a hard time to beat a development team of hundreds, if not thousands, of 
enthusiastic people world-wide.

Just wanting to set the record straight; the problems you have are specific ot 
someone's compilation of Linux, not to Linux itself.

Viktor

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From: [email-masked] (Eric Silver)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
Date: 15 Oct 1994 03:09:34 GMT

Eric Silver ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I bought this version three and half weeks ago as well.
: I was very impressed with the installation program (as compared to
: Unixware 1.1 AS). Very smooth and a hell of a lot more straightforward.
: HOWEVER,
: 1.)  I have yet to get minicom to download using zmodem although I 
:      can dial into my UNIX (BSD) Internet provider.
:      Downloaded files using XMODEM protocol will not run, I get 
:      segement errors. These programs include   unzip and joe .
:      Yes, my settings are 8N1. 
: 2.) xmodem downloading adds a few hundred bytes to  .joerc 
:     and other xmodem file transfers.
: 3.) Simple text editors like joe (give me joe any day I don't
:     use emacs, I don't use vi ) are NOT included. @#$%@!!
:     THIS IS MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT! 
:     (If I had the  joe editor I could have a least done 
:      other work). The   joe editor is specifically mentioned
:      in your install manual. 
: 4.) Mounting a dos disk and copying using the 
:     cp -p /mnt/unzip /home/root/unzip     command results 
:     in a properly copied file BUT the binary can not execute.
: 5.) Attempting to use getty according to documentation does 
:     not work. Therefore downloading known operating versions
:     of files can not be accoplished.
: 6.) Ethernet 3C509TP can not ping another workstation on the same 
:     LAN although Wollongong DOS drivers allow this.
: 7.) No BBS software on the CD although mentioned in the Bible.
:     (If you have room for dup_ramdisk etc, you got room for this.
: 8.) No instructions in the manual on HOW to make Xwindows run from
:     hda1 without having the /system_cd  mounted.
: 9.) The networking component is mentioned in your install manual
:     (pg. 24) but is not available in the install_component list
:     nor is it mentioned in the errata file, nor does it install
:     properly from the Xwindows.
: 10.) MS-DOS MSCDEX will not activate CDROM properly, and 
:      bootflpy.3in hangs after the letters   'LI' appear on the 
:      screen. (The story behind this is that UW 1.1 AS was used to
:      copy this file and  RAWRITE.EXE to a DOS PC. So that I could 
:      create a second install disk. The first install disk that came
:      with the package operates fine.

: Other than these few insurrmountable hurdles, things are just ducky! NOT!
: Before yggdrasil dumps on me, yes I ftp'd errata from your ftp 
: site 1 day after purchasing the package.
: I guess its my own fault. As consumers we should expect thirty-nine
: dollar performance from a $39.00 (plus tax) Unix. I'll be happy to
: post more problems as I come across them. 
: Eric Silver

Yes, I am following up on my own post. 
I have made some errors in the above post. 
These errors and solutions have been pointed out to me. 
Apologies for any confusion which may have resulted.
However, There are some items above that I am still trying 
to resolve and I will post more detailed descriptions at  
a later time.
Eric Silver

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From: [email-masked] (Eric Silver)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
Date: 15 Oct 1994 03:13:49 GMT

Viktor T. Toth ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Eric Silver) writes:

: [stuff deleted]

: >2.) xmodem downloading adds a few hundred bytes to  .joerc 
: >    and other xmodem file transfers.

: That's a problem with xmodem (pads the file to a multiply of 128 bytes since 
: it can only transfer 128-byte packets), NOT specific to Yggdrasil or Linux. 
: Try it under DOS if you don't believe me.

: [stuff deleted]

: >I guess its my own fault. As consumers we should expect thirty-nine
: >dollar performance from a $39.00 (plus tax) Unix. I'll be happy to
: >post more problems as I come across them. 
: >Eric Silver

The comment I have made above is unfair and not deserved.

: It is not a $39.00 Unix. It is a $0.00 Unix; you paid $39.00 to the folks who 
: put it on a CD-ROM for you. As for its quality, I would prefer Linux any time 
: over some commercial Unixes (SCO or SunOS come to mind). Commercial folks have 
: a hard time to beat a development team of hundreds, if not thousands, of 
: enthusiastic people world-wide.

: Just wanting to set the record straight; the problems you have are specific ot 
: someone's compilation of Linux, not to Linux itself.

: Viktor

Criticism acknowledged and accepted.
Eric Silver

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From: [email-masked] (Fasal  Saeed  NY Devel X3535)
Subject: Re: Trouble-free Linux PC's
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:46:11 GMT

Contact [email-masked]. They have some stuff that may interest you.

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From: [email-masked] (Byron A Jeff)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 14 Oct 1994 20:05:53 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Jerry Leslie <[email-masked]> wrote:
:Byron A Jeff ([email-masked]) wrote:
:: [Rest deleted for brevity]
:: I think we can integrate existing editor (JED), menu(dialog), mouse(the
:: selection replacement of the Mouseless Commander), formatter (QuikScript),
:: and renderer (GhostScript) into a workable system that can meet the basic
:: wordprocessing demands of most folks.
:
:
:Regarding "integrate existing editor", why not make it flexible like 'elm'
:and 'tin', where a user can specify an editor like 'vi', 'jed', 'emacs',
:or our favorite, 'ed' (not the line-mode ed, but an editor patterned after
:DEC VMS's EDT editor) ?

Conceptually it's a good idea but implementation of such an idea is tough.
See elm, tin, and the others use the editor as-is to do their work. To
create a Wordprocessor the key elements (especially the translation of
attributes to something visual like colors) must be integrated into the
editor. This means that we'd have to rewrite each editor that we wanted
to use in this system. The cost is clearly too great.

:
:That would allow a new user of this information processor to concentrate
:on learning it, and not be distracted by having to learn a new editor as
:well.

Honestly any editor other than vi is a snap to use. You type, it shows up on
the screen. You use the arrows (yes I know vi, elvis, and vim can do this too)
and the cursor moves. Intuitive. Only the command keystrokes are different
and jed, emacs, and joe each provide mechanisms to map an arbitrary key to
an arbitrary command.

So in light of that I'm not inclined to think that this is a necessary
requirement. It'll be a lot easier and quicker to take one existing editor
(and I'm partial to JED and JOE in that order) and modifying it into a
wordprocessor.

BAJ
-- 
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: [email-masked]

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