Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #949
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:13:10 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #949, Volume #2                Sun, 16 Oct 94 13:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Anyone using P90-Plato-INTEL board under LINUX??? (David Barth)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Ian McCloghrie)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Michael Carpenter)
  Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so m ([email-masked])
  Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so m ([email-masked])
  Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree ([email-masked])
  Re: Word (Text) Processors for Linux? ([email-masked])
  Re: [pine] where is spell(1) ? ([email-masked])
  Re: Advantage of having sound card ([email-masked])
  Re: Weakest Linux Box ([email-masked])
  Re: Weakest Linux Box (setzerkl@grumpy)
  Re: Weakest Linux Box ([email-masked])
  Re: What is Linux good for? ([email-masked])
  Re: What is Linux good for? ([email-masked])
  Re: What is Linux good for? ([email-masked])
  Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processor ([email-masked])
  Re: MINICOM Downloading Not Working ([email-masked])
  Re: Syquest and Linux ([email-masked])
  Re: A badly missed feature in gcc ([email-masked])
  Re: I want SETUID scripts! ([email-masked])
  Frame Maker for Linux! (ed@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE)
  Re: Frame Maker for Linux! ([email-masked])
  Re: Frame Maker for Linux! ([email-masked])
  WANTED: Metrolink Motif Update (1.2 ([email-masked])
  Comments about the Linux WP idea ([email-masked])
  Re: Comments about the Linux WP idea ([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked] (David Barth)
Subject: Re: Anyone using P90-Plato-INTEL board under LINUX???
Date: 15 Oct 1994 12:19:32 +0100

Marc Tamsky ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Working configuration--no problems (believe me, I was amazed I didn't
: have to wrestle it to make it work!)  Works like a champ...

: Intel PCI Premiere II BabyAT motherboard P5/90  256K cache (36.08 Bogomips)

Do you know the difference with a Premiere I ? Is it just a bios change ?
BTW : is it possible to upgrade to 512 Ko cache on this Intel MB ?

TIA
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D.Barth ([email-masked])         "Linux, the choice of a GNU generation"

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From: [email-masked] (Ian McCloghrie)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 14 Oct 1994 10:48:19 -0700

[email-masked] (Joseph Stanley (Joe) Wisniewski) writes:
>AMD had a massive technology trade agreement with Intel that let AMD "copy"
>many chips from Intel, including the x86 series processors, just as Intel
>could copy many chips from AMD, including bit-slice processors, memory chips,

What's more, if I remember correctly, the original reason for this
agreement was that Intel wanted to sell to the government, who won't
buy anything unless there's a second source for it.  (an entirely
sensible rule, if you ask me).

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Carpenter)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 16 Oct 1994 15:44:05 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jim Graham) writes:

   Of course, the ``^M'' (two characters) is supposed to be a '^M'.  You'll
   need to replace it with a ^M (^V^M in vi, don't know if the '^V' is
   needed in emacs or not).

emacs: ^Q^M

   >However, thus far, I have been unable to get a Linux text editor like
   >emacs to do a search and replace of the ^M lf character.  

simple:
        M-x replace-string[Ret]
        ^Q^M[Ret]
        [Ret]

(M-x means (generally) "ESC x")

Later...
Mike 

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 14 Oct 94 21:36 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so m

Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom

To Kar Keung Isaac ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Jeff Kesselman) writes:
: >>
: >>Well, first off, I've heard that the code for Linux DOOM is pure C, whereas
: >>the DOS version has some optimized assembly in it for speed. So you should
: >>expect less performance.

: The following is just my guess, and I don't know whether there is workaround...

: First, DOOM in DOS have the permission to do anything on the machine, but Linux
: one can't. The DOS one actually use DMA to transfer data from memory to DMA,
: while the Linux one call X to display an image. What it means, with shared
: memory, is to copy the data to an area provided by X, then wait X to find
: whether any clipping is necessary (e.g. if another window obscure the DOOM
: window that shouldn't be displayed), and finally the X server will copy that to
: the video memory after a color mapping. That long process should be the
: bottleneck of linxdoom.

: Second, DOOM in DOS is near to the sole memory user. In Linux, it must compete
: with all other clients, like the Xserver, the 4 virtual console, the window
: manager, all system daemons, etc., and must also compete CPU time with them.
: This is another bottleneck of the linxdoom.

: That means that DOS is unique in providing such an environment. Even SGI doom
: can't beat it. (However, the superb computational speed and pipeline of the SGI
: should be able to compensate the problem completely)

: Isaac.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 15 Oct 94 04:48 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so m

Subject: Re: Curious: Why is Linux DOOM so much slower than DOS doom

Jeff Kesselman ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>, Ken Sorensen <ksore@atr-14> wrote:
: >Thomas Gschwind ([email-masked]) wrote:
: >: Sujat Jamil ([email-masked]) wrote:
: >: : I'd really like to know why does Linux DOOM run significantly slower
: >: : on Linux than it does on DOS for the same machine.  Is it because it
: >: : has to go through multiple layers of X and Linux?  I've also played it
: >: : on a SGI workstation, where it is reasonably fast.  Of course, the
: >: : machine also had a 150 MHz MIPS processor.  Is there any way to
: >: : make doom run faster on Linux besides getting a faster machine?

One thing I've noticed--
It runs a HELUVA lot faster in XFree3.1 than it did in previous versions...

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 14 Oct 94 18:59 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Beautifying Linux/Xfree

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Manuel Eduardo Correia) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Bill McCarthy) writes:
>
>>> Fer example, I idin't know that there is a FVWM homepage on the Web
>>> til one fella mentioned it in a post to me. Good stuff there for beginners and
>>> advancers alike.
>
>   Could you please tell us poor ignorant souls the location of such a
>   wonder ;-) ?
>--
(snip)

Manuel:

No problem. The url is http:/neutrino.nuc.berkeley.edu/neutronics/todd/
fvwm.html. It's got a lot of good info for fvwm. I for one wish I had known
about the page when I was first starting out in X. The dist I have had a 
sample system.fvwmrc, but the docs said nothing about GoodStuff, for example.
Check it out and have fun! buenas suerte

Bill McCarthy
[email-masked]

"Isn't it pretty to think so."
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usual disclaimer 

   

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 15 Oct 94 00:25 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Word (Text) Processors for Linux?

Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Jerry Leslie)
writes: 
 : Regarding "integrate existing editor", why not make it flexible like 'elm'
 : and 'tin', where a user can specify an editor like 'vi', 'jed', 'emacs',
 : or our favorite, 'ed' (not the line-mode ed, but an editor patterned after
 : DEC VMS's EDT editor) ?

The idea is that it will be a text-based WYS(Is kind of)WYG wordprocessor.
It would makes no sense to do what you suggest.   The best that could be
done is to make the keybindings customizable.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 14 Oct 94 14:37 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: [pine] where is spell(1) ?

In article <[email-masked]>,
 <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In Article <[email-masked]>
>[email-masked] writes:
>>
>>  Hello.
>>
>>  I just noticed that the Pine binary I have on my pC does not 
>>spell-check.
>>
>[Chomp]
>>
>>  Bill
>
>You need to find a spell checking program that is compatible with `spell'.
>I use gnu ispell-4.0, which is the obsolete version of ispell, but is
>compatible with spell.  ispell-3.x is the newer, better version (don't ask),
>but is not compatible.  You should still be able to find ispell-4.0 on gnu
>sites like sunsite.unc.edu.

If you have ispell, what you can do is make a symlink from ispell to spell.
This is mentioned in the ispell man page.  What it says, is that if you 
run ispell as "spell" (i.e. a symlink), it will operate as the original
unix spell did.  After creating a symlink from ispell to spell, my Pine 
spell-checking works great!  

-Bryan
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Linux -- The Choice of a GNU Generation  "Make it so, Number One." 

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 14 Oct 94 19:25 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Advantage of having sound card

Glenn Jayaputera ([email-masked]) wrote:

: WOndering if I have a lot of advantages if I buy a sound card for my
: linux box.

I bought one becuase the Linux distritribution I was trying to use
wouldn't boot without one.  I thought it was the coolest thing ever
(well, next to Linux itself) for a couple days.  A few months later I
realized I hadn't used it at all after those first couple days, so I
gave it away.

Now that DOOM is out for Linux, I might have to scrounge up a sound
card again.

--
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Rosemount Inc.                                |ashtrays in Dayton....
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From: (michael)[email-masked]
Date: 13 Oct 94 22:06 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box

[email-masked] (Stormy Henderson) writes:
> I ran Slackware 1.1.1 on a 386sx16 with 4 meg ram and a 20 meg hard drive for
> 3 months.  It had the a, ap, n, and d disks.  Was quite a tight fit.

My older machine is a 386-20 with 2MB RAM.  I use it to play with SLIP
to my 486.  It has two MFM drives connected to it and currently runs
Linux 1.1.52.  Enough to ftp to it, but unusable for serious work.

Michael
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From: setzerkl@grumpy
Date: 14 Oct 94 21:19 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box

Michael Haardt ((michael)[email-masked]) wrote:
: [email-masked] (Stormy Henderson) writes:
: > I ran Slackware 1.1.1 on a 386sx16 with 4 meg ram and a 20 meg hard drive for
: > 3 months.  It had the a, ap, n, and d disks.  Was quite a tight fit.

: My older machine is a 386-20 with 2MB RAM.  I use it to play with SLIP
: to my 486.  It has two MFM drives connected to it and currently runs
: Linux 1.1.52.  Enough to ftp to it, but unusable for serious work.

Would a machine along these lines be enough to serve as a terminal (via slip or
plip) for my _real_ linux box?

Kelly

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 14 Oct 94 23:23 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box

In article <[email-masked]>,
Kelly Lee Setzer <setzerkl@grumpy> wrote:
>: My older machine is a 386-20 with 2MB RAM.  I use it to play with SLIP
>: to my 486.  It has two MFM drives connected to it and currently runs
>: Linux 1.1.52.  Enough to ftp to it, but unusable for serious work.
>
> Would a machine along these lines be enough to serve as a terminal
> (via slip or plip) for my _real_ linux box?

Absolutely.  If I can get 8 256k 30 pin SIMMs, I'm going to set up my
old 386DX40 motherboard this way (I've got a few spare ethernet cards
laying around anyway).

You might just want to run free DOS/Windows TCP/IP software for that
function though.  If you just boot up and run KA9Q, you should get
bitchin' performance out of a box like that.  KA9Q should have better
network performance than the Linux kernel does, I would think.

-- 
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http://www.pitt.edu/~ddj/

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 15 Oct 94 19:33 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: What is Linux good for?

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Daniel Woodard) writes:

>>FAQ??? They even don't check the name of the group on which they are
>  That's an outright lie.  I looked for a faq.  Not finding one, I posted 
>this message.

Where did you look?

There is one.  There is quite a bit if you count the HOW-TO's etc...

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 15 Oct 94 01:58 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: What is Linux good for?

Daniel Woodard ([email-masked]) wrote:
: >FAQ??? They even don't check the name of the group on which they are
:   That's an outright lie.  I looked for a faq.  Not finding one, I posted 
: this message.

Did you go to rtfm.mit.edu??   That's where I go to look for a FAQ.  There's
always the chance that the posted FAQ has diappeared from my site.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 15 Oct 94 17:57 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: What is Linux good for?

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Dan Newcombe) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Daniel Woodard) writes:
>
>>>FAQ??? They even don't check the name of the group on which they are
>>  That's an outright lie.  I looked for a faq.  Not finding one, I posted 
>>this message.
>
>Where did you look?
>
>There is one.  There is quite a bit if you count the HOW-TO's etc...

But it is not posted to this group, which is probably the most logical
place for a newbie to look (based on names). I think this is a very
good argument for support of Ian Jackson's proposal to post the FAQ
in all Linux groups.

jw

>
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From: [email-masked]
Date: 15 Oct 94 00:06 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processor

Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux?

Mat Ballard ([email-masked]) wrote:

: more seriously, i'd like to suggest that what is needed, particularly
: to appeal to the average dos/win user, is a series of useful and capable
: applets, in roughly this order of need:

I'm not trying to discourage anybody from developing a nice X11
spreadsheet, word processor, drawing program, or whatever.  

What I don't understand is the wish to make Linux applications appeal
to the "average dos/win" user.  When developing an application for
Linux, shouldn't the concern be to make it appeal to the Linux user?

[...]

: after a while, this, i think, would get your average dos/win user
: happily chugging away on linux.

There seems to be an assumed goal of "converting" dos/win users to
Linux -- and I don't understand why this is a worthy goal.  I'm a bit
of a relativist so I have my doubts that there is a "one true faith"
(especially regarding OS/language/editor preferences).

Do we really care about "market share" like Bill Gates?

Do we want Linux to be a mass-market product?

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 15 Oct 94 07:49 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: MINICOM Downloading Not Working

Subject: Re: MINICOM Downloading Not Working

Eric Silver ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I tried several times to make the rz and rx part of MINICOM work.
: I was trying to download a file from a UNIX BBS and the system
: seems to just sit there. I can perform this same function using
: DOS based PROCOMM PLUS. The order I do things in is;

: $sz filename  [Enter]   from the shell prompt at the BBS
: ctrl-a r
: z             [Enter]
: filename    typed in pop up box

In the 'configuration' menu, under the 'File transfer protocols'
item change program names:

/usr/bin/rz -vv  and /usr/bin/sz -vv 

to

/usr/bin/rz -vv </dev/modem  >/dev/modem

and 

/usr/bin/sz -vv </dev/modem >/dev/modem

and all should work well.

Steve

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 14 Oct 94 02:05 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Syquest and Linux

[email-masked] (Georg Pietrek) writes:

>I have a Syquest drive (SCSI, 270 MB) and my question is very
>simple (hopefully the answer will be simple, too):
>How can I use it with Linux ?

What about: sort of removable hard disk ???

>Bye

>   Georg

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 14 Oct 94 23:14 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: A badly missed feature in gcc

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Orc) writes...
> 
>   I prefer to use them when writing C++ code. // makes my code
>look like assembly language.

More like IBM JCL.

John

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 14 Oct 94 18:44 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: I want SETUID scripts!

Followup to:  <[email-masked]>
By author:    [email-masked] (Kevin Lentin)
In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc
>
> Alex Ramos ([email-masked]) wrote:
> > Does anybody have patches for allowing setuid shell scripts?
> > Like many other Linux users, the only reason I even have a *user*
> > account on my system is mostly to avoid shooting myself on the foot.
> > So, I don't care if setuid scripts are unsecure. As long as I can't
> > break one on accident, it's fine with me.
> 
> I just searched the source for how this happens and can't find it. I can
> find the bit where it extracts the interpreter from the #! line but nowhere
> can I find where it inhibits setuid scripts. I'm stumped.
> 

It doesn't!  The setuid bit that applies for scripts is the one on the
*command interpreter*.  It is then up to the command interpreter to
decide if it wants to honour the setuid bit on the script (the command
interpreter has to be setuid root in order to be able to do this.  It
is doable with perl, but not with bash).

        /hpa
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From: ed@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE
Date: 14 Oct 94 16:07 GMT+0300
Subject: Frame Maker for Linux!

I was at UNIX open in Vienna and the general distributor for Austria
told me that Frame will bring with the new version of Frame Maker
in March also a Linux Version of Frame Maker.

Go on.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 14 Oct 94 17:49 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Frame Maker for Linux!

ed@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Edmund Humenberger) writes:

>I was at UNIX open in Vienna and the general distributor for Austria
>told me that Frame will bring with the new version of Frame Maker
>in March also a Linux Version of Frame Maker.

>Go on.

I wonder if it will cost $2000 for a single floating license like the SCO
version does.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 15 Oct 94 07:12 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Frame Maker for Linux!

[email-masked] (Mark A. Davis) writes:

>ed@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Edmund Humenberger) writes:

>>I was at UNIX open in Vienna and the general distributor for Austria
>>told me that Frame will bring with the new version of Frame Maker
>>in March also a Linux Version of Frame Maker.

>>Go on.

>I wonder if it will cost $2000 for a single floating license like the SCO
>version does.

You can get a single for $300 and at school we used to run the single on
multiple machines all the time.  No idea why.  I personally think
floating licenses are a ripoff.  I know people with more than one
machine at home and it's stupid for them to not be able to log into
either of them and run a program.

Yeah, I know all about loss of sales but I think most of that is BS.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 14 Oct 94 20:20 GMT+0300
Subject: WANTED: Metrolink Motif Update (1.2

Subject: WANTED: Metrolink Motif Update (1.2.2 to 1.2.4)

    Can anyone tell where can I get the update version of Metrolink Motif
for Linux update for 1.2.2 to 1.2.4?

                                                Thanks in advance
                                                Joe (jk94r)

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 15 Oct 94 00:45 GMT+0300
Subject: Comments about the Linux WP idea

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
(Byron A Jeff) writes: 
 : I think we can integrate existing editor (JED), menu(dialog), mouse(the
 : selection replacement of the Mouseless Commander), formatter (QuikScript),
 : and renderer (GhostScript) into a workable system that can meet the basic
 : wordprocessing demands of most folks.

The fundamental question is how the buffer is going to be implemented---
what will the data structure look like.  Fundamentally, a word processor and
an editor are very different.  I suspect that the best choice for a data
structure for the WP would consist of a linked list of paragraphs.  Perhaps
the paragraph should be implemented as a buffer gap. Also, how will the
character attributes be stored?  Should we store an attribute with each
character?  Should the data structure consist of a parallel stream of
attributes?  Questions like this are going to be fundamental to the
development of the WP.  I suspect that it is NOT a good idea to integrate an
existing editor into the WP.

The user interface should be fairly simple to implement.  For example,
consider my S-Lang library.  It already has routines for multiple keymaps,
keyboard tty input, Screen Managment Facility (with color), etc...  In fact,
much of JED is interfaced to this library.  The rest of JED consists of
routines to handle its representation of the buffer.  Finally, I am also
working on a Text based window library for S-Lang.  One could incorporate
this library into the WP to handle windows, Scroll bars, dialog boxes,
etc... to make it look pretty.

But, the fundamental question remains:  What will the representation of the
buffer look like?

Finally, is this project worth doing?  How well does DOSEMU run Wordperfect?
Can it run Wordperfect over a serial line?  If we ever do get a WP for Linux
off the ground and functional, will it be better than Wordperfect running
under DOSEMU over a serial line?   (I am emphasising serial line because I
would like to use something like it remotely from, e.g., a vt100)

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 15 Oct 94 08:48 GMT+0300
Subject: Re: Comments about the Linux WP idea

Subject: Re: Comments about the Linux WP idea

[email-masked] writes:
>...what will the data structure look like.  Fundamentally, a word processor
>and an editor are very different.  I suspect that the best choice for a data
>structure for the WP would consist of a linked list of paragraphs.  Perhaps
>the paragraph should be implemented as a buffer gap. Also, how will the
>character attributes be stored?  Should we store an attribute with each
>character?  Should the data structure consist of a parallel stream of
>attributes?  Questions like this are going to be fundamental to the
>development of the WP.  I suspect that it is NOT a good idea to integrate an
>existing editor into the WP.

Always willing to play Miss Thistlebottom, let me just remind you guys to
make sure those data structures can accommodate wide characters (e.g. what
you'd find in Unicide) and that your wrapping and other algorithms aren't
obsessive about text going left-right all the time!

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   [email-masked]          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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