Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #953
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 94 22:13:44 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #953, Volume #2                Sun, 16 Oct 94 22:13:44 EDT

Contents:
  Re: A badly missed feature in gcc (Thomas D. Hite)
  [Help] SCSI cdrom "swap file out of sync... (david her)
  rayshade binary (Paul Kolonay)
  XVGR Builds but doesn't RUN... (Fred L Ogden)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Trevor Lampre)
  Re: IS anyone reading users' complaints? (Mr D R Barlow)
  Re: Tar | Seyon Problems (Steve Champagne)
  Re: nedit for Linux? (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
  Re: Smallest Linux Box (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
  Re: Converting DIALOGIC's adpcm... (Birkinbine Brian L)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (Reagan Blundell)
  Re: Mosaic Communications NetScape 0.9 beta released (Jamie Zawinski)
  Re: How to setup Linux to be a WWW server? (Steve VanDevender)
  HELP !! FILESYSTEM CRASH (Tony Schwartz)
  Re: Syquest and Linux (Jonathan C. Solomon)
  Re: Linux & Windows... (J.J. Paijmans)
  Re: unctrl.h: No such file or directory (Matthew Hannigan)
  Re: IS anyone reading users' complaints? (Sven Goldt)
  Re: HELP: Linux cannot be installed on 2GB HD ?! (Stephen Wong)
  Re: HELP !! FILESYSTEM (Fixed Now) (Tony Schwartz)

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From: [email-masked] (Thomas D. Hite)
Subject: Re: A badly missed feature in gcc
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 16:19:11 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Orc <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>H. Peter Anvin <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>  /* ... */ is supported as backward
>>compatibility, but you will be hard-pressed to find a C++ programmer
>>who uses them more than once in a blue moon.
>
>   I prefer to use them when writing C++ code. // makes my code
>look like assembly language.
>
since we're talking about comments and why /**/ is still useful,
consider:

class A
{
 ...

 public:
  virtual void JustAMethod();

 ...
};

/* virtual */ void
A::JustAMethod()
{
  // who cares what's in here..
}

the same holds for static methods, since they differ in that special
way from normal methods.

This is VERY useful to the reader, no header perusing should be required
just to read code.  Particurlarly with syntax chroma-coding...
The former can't be done in the same fashion with // comenting.
thus, you'd end up with something like:

// virtual
void A::JustAMethod()
{
  // who cares what's in here..
}

or something similar.  Obviously its the same thing, essentially, but
its 'nice' to have function type/attributes on the same line...

Tom Hite
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (david her)
Subject: [Help] SCSI cdrom "swap file out of sync...
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:44:02 GMT

The SCSI CDROM encountered "SWAP file out of sync.... buffer busy ....." then
the whole system hang. whenever try to browse a big ascii file in cdrom or
long file listing(ex. ls -l) etc. Most of time the cdrom function properly, is
any reason to cause it. How caould it be elimiated ? Please help, Thanks in
advance.

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From: [email-masked] (Paul Kolonay)
Subject: rayshade binary
Date: 16 Oct 1994 14:59:55 GMT

I got the rayshade binary from sunsite and have been having
some problems gunzipping...

Anybody hav ethis running from these binaries ?

thanx
Paul

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From: [email-masked] (Fred L Ogden)
Subject: XVGR Builds but doesn't RUN...
Date: 16 Oct 1994 20:24:00 GMT

Linux fans:

        I retrieved xvgr-2.09.tar.Z from export.lcs.mit.edu, edited
the Makefile as instructed and compiled.  The compile was uneventful.
When I try to run xvgr, however, it crashes due to a floating point
exception.

1) Has any one of you wizard's gotten xvgr to run?

2) How?

I'm running slackware 1.1.18.

Thanks in advance,

Fred Ogden 

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From: [email-masked] (Trevor Lampre)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
Date: 13 Oct 1994 12:21:21 +0930

In article <[email-masked]>,
Steve Kneizys <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>I have started a couple such threads...nobody posted a solution.  It 
>does not bother me that there is a problem, especially with development
>versions, but that so many people have posted and never an acknowledgement.  
>I would feel better about things, especially in the era of a code freeze
>where release 1.2.0 is imminent, that somebody is working to try and patch 
>this before that version is out :)  What post was it that you saw this
>possible fix with the newest networking code?  
>
I can'r remember exactly. I thought I'd saved the article but can't find 
it now :(. The post was to do with fragmentation problems that should be
fixed in the next release of the the Net-3 code.

Trevor.

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From: [email-masked] (Mr D R Barlow)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: IS anyone reading users' complaints?
Date: 16 Oct 1994 18:04:23 +0100

In article <[email-masked]>,
        [email-masked] (Breakdown) writes:
>                                         If I were deve-
>loping the kernel, I'd probably make sure I went through 
>all 200+ daily problem reports and figure out if there's
>a real problem behind each and every one of them....

Fine.  Are you developing the kernel?

If I were developing the kernel I'd get EXTREMELY PISSED OFF when
people post crap like this to newsgroups.  It's FREE, remember.  If
you want guaranteed support, go and buy it from someone.

Followups to .misc in the absence of an advocacy group

Daniel

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From: [email-masked] (Steve Champagne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Tar | Seyon Problems
Date: 14 Oct 1994 08:59:46 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>,
David J Topper <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Seyon Question:
>So in order to rectify the above situaion, possibly, I tried to download the
>file again with seyon.  Whenever I try to:
>       sz Cmix.manual.tar
>I get a bunch of timeout errors.    [....]

When I issue an 'sz' on the remote system while inside the terminal window
("downloading") Seyon simply receives the file on the local system.  There's
an "auto detect zmodem" button on one of the menus.  Perhaps you don't have
it set?  Give that a try.

To upload, you need to issue the 'sz' in Seyon's "shell" window.  This wasn't
completely clear to me the first few times I tried uploading (I found an
obscure reference to this in the "help" within Seyon... in the section where
issuing shell commands within Seyon is discussed, an example happens to be the
issuing of 'sz').  I'm not sure what you need to do on the remote end, because
my online provider seems to have "auto detect zmodem" in effect so that when
I upload, the file just ends up in the current directory.
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From: [email-masked] (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
Subject: Re: nedit for Linux?
Date: 16 Oct 1994 14:56:05 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (dave delaune) writes:
>In article [email-masked], [email-masked] (Marc Fraioli) writes:
>> In article [email-masked],  [email-masked] (Brian Lane) writes:
>> >Frank Conway ([email-masked]) wrote:
>> >: I have recently dicovered an editor for my Sun called nedit.
>> >: Source code is available.  I really like this editor, and
>> >: will be porting it to Linux for home use.
>> >
>> >  NEdit's home site is ftp.fnal.gov in /pub/nedit/v3_1

>Already been done, check sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/X11/xapps/editors/nedit.tar.gz
>
>Dave Delaune

Good.  I was about to go re-install my static libraries so that I could do this.
I got my curiosity piqued when this thread started, and tried it out.  I'm 
impressed.  I had been using asedit, but this is better.  The external
commands are better set up, and easier to configure.  The split window
is a great feature, and the changable fonts (to any you have installed) is also
very nice.  You can set any defaults you like on-the-fly.  I don't know why
it's better to change configurations in $(HOME)/.nedit than in the app-defaults, 
but it does work well.

-- 

David L. Johnson                        [email-masked] or 
Department of Mathematics               [email-masked]
Lehigh University
14 E. Packer Avenue                     (610) 758-3759
Bethlehem, PA 18015-3174                (610) 828-3708

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From: [email-masked] (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
Subject: Re: Smallest Linux Box
Date: 16 Oct 1994 14:59:34 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Phillip Burgess) writes:
>The "Weakest Box" thread is a hoot.  What I'd like to know is what's the
>physically *smallest* Linux box?   All the palmtops I've seen are ROM-based
>and floppyless (and few have enough RAM), so I would imagine those are out
>of the question.  I've heard from folks running it on a Thinkpad 500 (at
>least the textual portions, dunno about X11 yet) and some other machines
>around four pounds (Compaq, Toshiba, Canon), 

My Compaq Aero 4/25 runs X just fine, thank you.  Probably the smallest, and
more like 3.5 pounds.

but not on any of the handful
>(pun!) of machines that are even smaller.  The Handbook, Omnibook, and DTR-1
>all come to mind.  The consensus seems to be that Linux probably won't get
>along with the funkier hardware & power conservation features in these
>systems (and good luck getting the whacky input devices to work), 

More to the point, on these things the OS is at least partially in ROM.  Bet the
floppy, if there is one, is nonbootable.

but I
>don't know if anyone's actually tried yet, or perhaps there are some other
>wee systems that I'm overlooking.
>
>It's kind of both funny and appealing at the same time...  Pocket Linux!
>
>-- 
>    Phillip Burgess ([email-masked])                            >belch<

-- 

David L. Johnson                        [email-masked] or 
Department of Mathematics               [email-masked]
Lehigh University
14 E. Packer Avenue                     (610) 758-3759
Bethlehem, PA 18015-3174                (610) 828-3708

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From: [email-masked] (Birkinbine Brian L)
Subject: Re: Converting DIALOGIC's adpcm...
Date: 14 Oct 1994 08:39:53 -0500

Jan Willems ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Dear netters,

:       Sorry for this non linux subject but I do not know
:       another way to reach the linux dialogic users!

:       I am looking for the algorithm that can convert
:       the dialogic compressed voiceformat to the
:       original sample values. 
:       They use something like ADPCM but it's their own
:       version.
:       Is there any existing software that could do it for me?

:       Anyone who can help me?

:       Thanks in advance.

:       BTW: I use the older D41 boards.

:       Regards,
:       Jan Willems.
: --
: -- Jan --                                            _
: Jan Willems, Department of Computer Science,|      -0-0-
: Utrecht University, the Netherlands,        |        |   
: tel: +31-30-534114, e-mail: [email-masked]  |       \_/

   Sorry, I don't know anything about their compressed format.  Although I
do have a secondary question for you.  I am currently working on a
Time & Temp. service with Voice Mail, Information server with a dialogic voice
card.  Do you know of anything that will allow me to use the dialogic card
with Linux (or any Unix) for that matter.  The only development software
I have is for DOS.

                Any help is appreciated

                Brian Birkinbine <Studying Computer Science>
                finger <[email-masked]> for PGP key.

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From: [email-masked] (Reagan Blundell)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 16 Oct 1994 19:48:08 +1000

Alexandra Griffin ([email-masked]) wrote:
> In article <[email-masked]>,
> John Palaima <[email-masked]> wrote:
> > [re: heat problems when overclocking...]
> >Not necessecarily.  Try putting the system unit sans case in a freezer.  I
> >read someone's post in another sub-tree of this thread and he said he used to
> >do that with minis. :)

> OK, but how does one deal with the problem of frost/moisture buildup
> on the PCBs??

Simple. Use a frost-free freezer :)

-- 
Reagan Blundell                 The bats have left the bell tower
[email-masked]       The victims have been bled
                                Red velvet lines the black box
                                Bela Lugosi's dead         -- Bauhaus

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From: [email-masked] (Jamie Zawinski)
Subject: Re: Mosaic Communications NetScape 0.9 beta released
Date: 17 Oct 1994 00:19:13 GMT

Mike Batchelor <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> AND there is no port for Linux or FreeBSD.  They have Windows, Mac, IRIX,
> OSF/1, HP/UX, SunOS, Solaris, AIX - but nothing for any free OS.
>
> Connect to http://www.mcom.com/, find the feedback form, and give them a
> piece of your mind.  I find it really disappointing that they have chosen
> to ignore a huge part of the user base that has made their new product
> possible.  Call 'em on it.

What's great about the net is the benefit of the doubt that everyone gets by
default.  Why do you people have to make everything a crusade?  Why can't you
just lighten up?  It's all just ones and zeros.  It's not necessary to look
for an enemy everywhere.

We fully intend to release Netscape for the most popular platforms, whether
they're "free" or not.  I just haven't had time to install the OSes yet.

        -- Jamie

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From: [email-masked] (Steve VanDevender)
Subject: Re: How to setup Linux to be a WWW server?
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 08:40:20 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Paul Pearson) writes:

   Can Linux be used as a WWW server?  I assume it can but unsure how.  If you 
   could point me in the direction of some information, that would be very 
   helpful.  I have looked through most of the HOWTO's but can't seem to find 
   anything.  Perhaps I overlooked it?

Get the httpd distribution from
ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Network/info-systems and
install it (it includes precompiled binaries and an
installation/configuration guide in HTML).  I just did this today
for a Linux system I set up for somebody else so their system
could be a WWW server.

In just a day's work, I was able to install Linux, networking, X,
sendmail, and set up an HTTP server and home page, all on a lowly
486/25 clone system.  I love Linux.

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From: [email-masked] (Tony Schwartz)
Subject: HELP !! FILESYSTEM CRASH
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 10:26:11

In the wee early hours of this morning, I was Linuxing away and my entire 
system froze up on me.  Finally after a long time, I had to hit the RESET 
button.

Now, when I boot up, it gives me a prompt with the none in it.

(none)~/                                          (now)
brutus/                                           (in the past)

It appears all my stuff is there but I cant do anything with it.  I tried to 
do a fsck but couldnt find it.  I tried to mount, dismount, halt, shutdown.  
Nothing seems to work.  In fact, only mount and dismount are even found.  This 
may be a path issue but I am not sure.

The mount and dismount commands produce an error saying something about 
/etc/mtab~ cannot be created because file system is read only.  I then went to 
my boot diskettes and brought the system up also with read only.

I really need to get this back up and running soon.  Any help or suggestions 
would be greatly appreciated.

Tony Schwartz

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From: [email-masked] (Jonathan C. Solomon)
Subject: Re: Syquest and Linux
Date: 13 Oct 1994 16:54:17 GMT

Georg Pietrek ([email-masked]) wrote:
: I have a Syquest drive (SCSI, 270 MB) and my question is very
: simple (hopefully the answer will be simple, too):
: How can I use it with Linux ?

The answer is quite simple. You need a Linux compatible SCSI
interface (see the Hardware-HOWTO to see if yours is). My
Syquest drive shows up as /dev/sda since it is the only
SCSI drive I have. You'll have to create filesystems on your
cartridges, of course, but you do this just as if the
Syquest drive was a hard drive.

You may have to reconfigure/recompile the kernel to get the
SCSI support for your particular SCSI interface.

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From: [email-masked] (J.J. Paijmans)
Subject: Re: Linux & Windows...
Date: 16 Oct 1994 14:51:25 GMT

I understood the question as whether Windows would run in standard mode.
"Real mode" was nowhere mentioned by the original poster, but he/she might
have confused me.
Nevertheless I don't think it is worth it to wait for WINE (no slight to
the developers implied). If it only runs 'certified' apps, you probably
will find that even those don't run as well under WINE as under original
MS-Windows, but perhaps I am a cynic.

Anyway, Unix and X Windows fit me better than DOS & MS Windows, however
much applications exist under MS Windows. This is a very *personal*
observation and the next person may feel different.

Paai.

>MS acquiring Quicken, they will push ever harder to make their software
>unworkable on anything but their own system.
>
>
>-- 
>
>David L. Johnson                       [email-masked] or 
>Department of Mathematics              [email-masked]
>Lehigh University
>14 E. Packer Avenue                    (610) 758-3759
>Bethlehem, PA 18015-3174               (610) 828-3708

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From: [email-masked] (Matthew Hannigan)
Subject: Re: unctrl.h: No such file or directory
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 09:13:37 GMT

[email-masked] (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:
>In article <matth.781438270@extro>,
>Matthew Hannigan <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>[email-masked] (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:
>>> [ .. ]
>>>If you are using ncurses then you SHOULD be using the <termcap.h>
>>>that comes with it. This is kinda the point!
>>
>>Ok, but why don't you use the standard termcap.h?
>>Is ncurses' termcap.h is just meant for ncurses?

>Yes. It emulates termcap via terminfo. You have to link with ncurses
>to use it.

>>If so, perhaps you could use a different name (ntermcap.h?)

>I guess so. The makefile offers an option to link curses.h to ncurses.h.

If it doesn't cause too much trouble, I think it would be a good idea...
(And it shouldn't, if ncurses termcap.h is only used by ncurses. Same
goes for unctrl.h (nunctrl.h?)

>>>>I just have a feeling that it is safer to #include <pkg/somefile.h>
>>>>in general rather than -I/usr/include/<pkg> , #include <somefile.h>
>>
>>>So how do you propose handing your problem? <ncurses.h> includes
>>><unctrl.h>. Without the -I you won't find it. Besides ncurses 
>>>could be installed elsewhere (eg. /usr/local/include).
>>
>>I would hope that it would be installed in
>>/usr/local/include/ncurses, myself.  Gcc, and most other
>>compilers search there without -I flags. (I think!)

>That won't work. Without the -I flag gcc will not find <unctrl.h>

Yeah, I meant for <ncurse/unctrl.h>;  I thought (hoped) that gcc
would search /usr/local/include just like SunOS and other compilers.
(A quick check of the man page just now didn't reveal the answer)
Of course, even if it worked, it wouldn't be a general solution.

Regards,
        -Matt

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From: [email-masked] (Sven Goldt)
Subject: Re: IS anyone reading users' complaints?
Date: 16 Oct 1994 21:23:24 GMT

Mr D R Barlow ([email-masked]) wrote:
:       [email-masked] (Breakdown) writes:
: ....

: Fine.  Are you developing the kernel?
That was not his allegation.

: If I were developing the kernel I'd get EXTREMELY PISSED OFF when
: people post crap like this to newsgroups.  It's FREE, remember.  If
Why should you ? You would get pissed off if people report bugs ?
Then you are in the wrong newsgroup. And the developers need
bug reports - therefore the 1.1 series is publicy available for
finding bugs. 
: you want guaranteed support, go and buy it from someone.
This is no matter of support ! This is helping the development.

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From: [email-masked] (Stephen Wong)
Subject: Re: HELP: Linux cannot be installed on 2GB HD ?!
Date: 16 Oct 1994 21:18:20 +0800

In article <[email-masked]>, Brian Lane <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Technology Research Division ([email-masked]) wrote:
>
>: Hi :
>:   We try to install the Slackware Linux 2.0.1 (1.1.1)
>:   on a 80486 pc with the AHA1542CF SCSI card and 2 GB
>:   hard disk.
>:   During the installation, somethings happened:
>
>: # fdisk /dev/sda
>
>:   The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 2006
>:   This is larger than 1024 , and may cause problems with
>:   some software.
>
>  I had similar messages installing to my new Maxtor 540meg drive 
>tonight. I just ignored them and continued with the install. I'm not sure 
>how wise this is, but it's been up for about an hour with no problems 
>yet(I've been compiling, etc.)

The message means you SHOULD NOT put something you want to boot in the
1024th cylinder or above.  It's because your BIOS which control the
very initial boot process cannot access more than 1024 cylinders.  But
after the inital phase is loaded, it's up to your OS to implement
routines to handle hard disk I/O.  In linux, it's okay to use more than
1024 cylinders, but before linux can get started, you have to boot it,
and therefore the warning message.

As the partition cross over the 1024th cylinder mark, you will be very
confused, as sometime, you can boot off the partition, but sometimes,
just after a recompile, you may not boot linux. Because, sometime, your
linux image will be located before the 1024th cylinder, and everything
is fine, but a recompiled image may be placed outside the 1024th
cylinder.  Just bear in mind the above, you can proceed.

That's my 2 cents.

                                                          \//////
Stephen Siu Ming Wong     Internet: [email-masked]   [ O O ]
Dept of Computer Science              [email-masked]    \_-_/
Chinese University of                                      _| |_
Hong Kong                                                 / \_/ \
________________________________________________________oOOO___OOOo__

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From: [email-masked] (Tony Schwartz)
Subject: Re: HELP !! FILESYSTEM (Fixed Now)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 10:53:57

It's fixed now, thanks.

Tony

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Tony Schwartz) 
writes:>From: [email-masked] (Tony Schwartz)
>Subject: HELP !! FILESYSTEM CRASH
>Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 10:26:11

>In the wee early hours of this morning, I was Linuxing away and my entire 
>system froze up on me.  Finally after a long time, I had to hit the RESET 
>button.

>Now, when I boot up, it gives me a prompt with the none in it.

>(none)~/                                          (now)
>brutus/                                           (in the past)

>It appears all my stuff is there but I cant do anything with it.  I tried to 
>do a fsck but couldnt find it.  I tried to mount, dismount, halt, shutdown.  
>Nothing seems to work.  In fact, only mount and dismount are even found.  This 
>may be a path issue but I am not sure.

>The mount and dismount commands produce an error saying something about 
>/etc/mtab~ cannot be created because file system is read only.  I then went to 
>my boot diskettes and brought the system up also with read only.

>I really need to get this back up and running soon.  Any help or suggestions 
>would be greatly appreciated.

>Tony Schwartz

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