Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #957
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:13:32 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #957, Volume #2                Mon, 17 Oct 94 10:13:32 EDT

Contents:
  Q: "Couldn't Open CONSOLE" (Helen Song)
  Re: getting linux to work dail-up
  Vertical Movement Died on Trackball ! (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
  Re: HHTP/HTML editor for Linux?? (Benjamin John Walter)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.09) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: Is there time out setting for DIP??? (Karl Keyte)
  IDE or SCSI CD-ROM (Janusz Smolak)
  Applets; was: Word (Text) processor (Ted Harding)
  Re: Automounter? (Mitchum DSouza)
  Re: [INFO WANTED] Memory required for 100 terminals? (root)
  Re: LOCAL: Meeting for Linux Enthusiasts in Atlanta (Robert Story)
  Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (zachary brown)
  Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Mat Ballard)
  WP Project --Info and Volunteers WANTED!!! (Cory Zito)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Lars Marowsky-Bree)
  Re: Mystery chip...AMD (Alberto Vignani)
  Re: Which file to auto-run X programs in? (Brian Lane)
  Re: More on word processors... svgalib? (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Frame Maker for Linux! (Mark A. Davis)

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From: [email-masked] (Helen Song)
Subject: Q: "Couldn't Open CONSOLE"
Date: 17 Oct 1994 09:53:01 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Kevin Martinez  <[email-masked]> wrote:
>#
># start console window (in background)
>#
>#######################################################################
>xconsole -geometry =650x100+115+1 -font fixed -fg blue &

I just put the line in my .xinitrc and typed xinit.
But the window for the xconsole displays "Couldn't open console."
Could any one tell me why, and how to fix the problem?  

Thanks,
Helen

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From: [email-masked] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: getting linux to work dail-up
Date: 16 Oct 1994 14:54:38 GMT

Jacob Zielinski ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Has anyone be able to hook their modem up so that you can dail into linux?

: The people on #linux suggested agetty, and mgetty. But I didn't get to far
: with those to commands. Could somebody who as done this explain how or at
: least point me toward some docs.

: Thank you

Really the one that I'm always using is getty_ps, it works flawlessly
and you can do dial in/out...

Remember to use setserial with hup_notify in the port..
MGM

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From: [email-masked] (Tim Bass (Network Systems Engineer))
Subject: Vertical Movement Died on Trackball !
Date: 15 Oct 1994 02:10:43 GMT

My new linux laptoy just had a mouse crash, or track ball
failure!  The trackball moves the cursor side-to-side,
but up-and-down is dead.  I've soft and hard rebooted
and tried differnet window managers, but Nothing.

Ideas on what to do next?

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From: [email-masked] (Benjamin John Walter)
Subject: Re: HHTP/HTML editor for Linux??
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 21:09:31 +0000

: Is there a compiled HTTP server and HTML editor available for Linux? If  
: so, what ftp site?

I've been playing with tkHTML and I'm impressed.  If you chose to
installed tc/tkl on your system then I'd recommend tkHTML.  It's
neat, I don't remember where I picked it up from... I'll look...
okay, here we go *finishes rummaging through a huge pile of printed
sheets*... its available from:

http://alfred1.u.washington.edu:8080/~roland/tkHTML/tkHTML.html
ftp://ftp.u.washington.edu/public/roland/tkHTML

peace,

Ben
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From: [email-masked] (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.09)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:03:02 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted biweekly to
comp.os.linux.announce.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not a contribution to the development
of Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration
- should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.

Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:25:50 +0100
From: [email-masked] (Karl Keyte)
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Is there time out setting for DIP???

Uri tells me that dip-3.3.7i has an inactivity timeout.  He tells
me that he put it in sunsite's Incoming directory.  Uri is on
[email-masked].

Karl

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From: [email-masked] (Janusz Smolak)
Subject: IDE or SCSI CD-ROM
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 01:58:41 GMT

I'm considering buying a CD-ROM kit and I need some help with selection
a good package. Can I install Linux and OS/2 using IDE CD-ROM, or do I
have to use a SCSI? Can anyone suggest a brand name of a good CD-ROM
drive and sound card that will work well with those two systems.
I'd really appreciate any info.ct.

Janusz... 

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From: [email-masked] (Ted Harding)
Subject: Applets; was: Word (Text) processor
Date: 17 Oct 1994 07:44:46 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Ted Harding)

Byron A. Jeff wrote:-
=====================
| Ted Harding <[email-masked]> wrote:
| -I don't think this is a primary goal - as such - of many people who
| -would like to see Linux working better as a workbench. To be frank,
| -one of the reasons many people stay with DOS is that the applications
| -are varied, in many cases excellent, and easy and quick to use - you
| -can get your work done efficiently using them. This is not yet the
| -case with more than a few applications on Linux. The work-horse areas
| -are
| -text-processing,
| 
| Big hole. EZ or doc for X windows. TeX or groff for formatting. No real
| easy to use console/terminal based Wordprocessor.
| 
* Agreed. Causes me no trouble 'cos I'm a hardened vi/groff type (even
  used to use groff under DOS), but you should hear some other people's
  comments on the WP question.

| -spreadsheets,
| 
| sc, xspread
| 
* 'sc': nice for small jobs, useful basic export interface
  (tables to tbl+groff), but not heavy-duty.
* 'xspread': getting there, but functionality patchy (roughly, basic
  use of Quattro). Again, hear comments of Quattro fans: "Where is ... ?".
* Also, by the way 'oleo', but weird interface (and doesn't work right
  for me).

| -databases,
| 
| ingres, postgress, FlagShip, metalbase, and others.
| 
* 'ingres': You have to program it by hand, terrible drag. Almost
  unusable for quick, efficient interactive database work (compared
  EVEN with CP/M dBASE-II, for those who remember that); thoroughbred
  concept though; Linux ("University Igres") version lacks the friendly(er)
  front-end of the commercial version. 
* 'postgres': Could be good for users who want sophisticated database
  concepts. Won't work for me (wrong kernel - and I ain't up-dating
  till I hear that something later is SOLID). Same front-end problem
  as INGRES.
* Flagship: Very good, but compiler ONLY of application already composed
  in dBASE-type language. Needs a dBASE-compatible prototyping workbench
  (see dBMAN below).
* Metalbase: interesting, but scruffy and primitive front-end. Also, for
  me, severe "ncurses" problems - writes at random all over the screen;
  not impressive yet (am trying to solve this with new ncurses).
* dBMAN: Commercial dBASE-III+ with extensions, recently ported to Linux.
  This could be what people are looking for (I have copy on order, will
  report whether it's as good as it's hyped).
* Others: I've scanned the info; mostly lab-benches for CompSci students
  and researchers, or special-purpose. Not on, in the present context.

| -graphics and (for some)
| 
| Xpaint, Xfig
| 
* Agreed graphics is better served in Linux than most other applications.
  Main problem is smooth interface with other (spreadsheet, dbase,
  computation) applications. Need svgalib graphics for when you don't
  (or can't ... ) use X (GLE is nice but quirky, not yet mature, I think
  -- ? arrested development ? ).

| -maths/stats/computation.
| 
| octave and others for math/computation. Not sure about stats.
| 
* 'octave' is not bad at all. I use it almost exclusively, for stats too;
  but it needs dedication (you have to construct a lot yourself), though
  it's the same for its cousin MatLab, of course. Newer version (in
  "snapshots" stage of development) promises well, but I'll have to
  upgrade gcc before I'll be able to use it. Suffers from depending
  on 'gnuplot' for graphics and for some aspects of the computation
  (like contouring) that it ought to do itself. However, it's almost the
  only "free" option worth looking at. Not to everyone's taste by any means.
* Maple: Commercial and good; ported to Linux.
* Mathematica and Gauss: Availability for Linux is a big Q-mark.
* LispStat (for stats): could be good, if compilable from the sources.
  I'm looking into this. Seems to be emacs-dependent.

| The point is that a lot of the tools exist for much of this work.
| 
* My point was that SOME of the tools exist for SOME of this work,
  and it's a very mixed bag. Most lack functionality and ease-of-use
  that users of run-of-the-mill DOS rograms take for granted. I'm
  not fundamentally grumbling (otherwise I'd not be sticking with
  Linux), but it's a very serious issue. Thanks for your comments.

Ted.                                     ([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked] (Mitchum DSouza)
Subject: Re: Automounter?
Date: 17 Oct 1994 10:40:40 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Well, my
name is Jesus...) writes:
|> > Hi
|> > Need advice if there is an automounter for Linux that works with YP and
|> > the automountd for Solaris 2.3 on a SS10.
|> >
|> > Please email reply...
|> 
|> Please don't Reply by eMail, post it in this group...
|> I Think there are some other netter's who want know about this
|> (Like me...)

No, not one which satisfy both those criteria. Each commercial vendor provides
his/her own automounter which is not compatable with other systems. Linux
however does support the AMD automounter which can be compiled and run
on a wide variety of machines. But AMD cannot talk the correct language to Sun
automountd.

Mitch

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From: [email-masked] (root)
Subject: Re: [INFO WANTED] Memory required for 100 terminals?
Date: 17 Oct 1994 12:22:44 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

You want to run how many terminals off of one machine??!?!!?!
(I think you'll need more than one machine.)

You can get terminals that run X, Xstations, and such. Sorry, don't have
the prices. You might want to consider just getting a bunch of fast 386es,
they're rather cheap, and the processing power will be more than you'll
ever get trying to run all of your terminals off aof one (or even a few)
Pentiums.

Good luck, for some reason schools are being sucked into the ugly world of
Macintosh. :-)

Jered

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From: [email-masked] (Robert Story)
Crossposted-To: git.general,git.cc.general,atl.general
Subject: Re: LOCAL: Meeting for Linux Enthusiasts in Atlanta
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 21:57:17 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>,
[email-masked] (Dan Newcombe) wrote:

:In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked]
(Vernard C. Martin) writes:
:>You are all cordially invited to come and join the first meeting of the
:>unofficial Georgia Tech Linux Enthusiast Organization on Wednesday October 
:>12th at 5pm at the Georgia Tech College of Computing in Room 201. All 
:>students, faculty, staff, and others are welcome to attend.
:
:(also a little more advanced notice would be nice :)
:        -Dan

Ditto on the advanced notice... did it go well enought that you expect to
have another meeting?

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From: [email-masked] (zachary brown)
Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 17 Oct 1994 07:44:20 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>,
Warwick Allison <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Marketers are looking for `mind share' these days.  Linux gains quality
>not quantity.

HEAR HEAR!!

-ZB-

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From: [email-masked] (Mat Ballard)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 17 Oct 1994 03:24:55 GMT

Grant Edwards says:
>
>Mat Ballard ([email-masked]) wrote:

[stuff deleted]

>What I don't understand is the wish to make Linux applications appeal
>to the "average dos/win" user.  When developing an application for
>Linux, shouldn't the concern be to make it appeal to the Linux user?
. 
. 
>There seems to be an assumed goal of "converting" dos/win users to
>Linux -- and I don't understand why this is a worthy goal.  I'm a bit
>of a relativist so I have my doubts that there is a "one true faith"
>(especially regarding OS/language/editor preferences).

i don't want an operating system that falls over once or twice a day,
software that costs about $50 - $100 per year to upgrade every package,
to fix the bugs in the current package, and that i have to buy extra 
bits (mail, etc) to make it work.

what i want an operating environment that is:
        a. robust
        b. cheap
        c. complete
        d. rich in applications.

linux scores well in the first two, and windoze + apps + bits & pieces
scores well in the last two.

however, if linux remains the province of the skilled and enthusiastic 
hobbyist, then it will _DIE_ and _DISSAPPEAR_, and we will all end up 
paying a yearly license fee to Mr Gates, just like what IBM, DEC 
et al did to their customers.

this is not an outcome that i want to see.

>Do we really care about "market share" like Bill Gates?

hence, _YES_ !

>Do we want Linux to be a mass-market product?

again, _YES_ !

the alternative is too awful to contemplate.

Mat

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From: [email-masked] (Cory Zito)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: WP Project --Info and Volunteers WANTED!!!
Date: 16 Oct 1994 17:26:57 -0600

After following the discussions on WYSIWYG Word Processing I have decided 
that its time to get together a development group to create such a beast.

Right now I am looking for input on exactly what people are looking for 
in a WYSIWYG WP, People who want to help out with the project, and other 
things that people feel pertain to the project.

In a couple of days I should have a web site and a project goals sheet up 
(after I get some input)

Thanks,

Cory Zito

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Date: 16 Oct 1994 20:45:00 +0100
From: [email-masked] (Lars Marowsky-Bree)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?

Quoting [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz) ,
topic 'Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?', group /comp/unix/questions, stardate 11.10.94:

>>Let's be  frank, what WYSIWYG word processor for other platforms has the
>>full functionality of TeX?
>Yeah.  And while we're at it:  What programming language has the full
>functionality of assembler?  

You are missing the point:

(La)TeX is portable.  Assembler is not.  If you want to compare text
systems and programming  languages,  it  would  be fairer to compare
Assembler to a pixel editor.

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From: Alberto Vignani <root@psie81>
Subject: Re: Mystery chip...AMD
Date: 17 Oct 1994 09:39:25 -0400
Reply-To: root@psie81

Having an AMD486DX2-66, I made some tests. By overclocking it at 40
(=80) MHz and slowing the bus accesses accordingly, I was able to
run DOS and (more important) Linux for more than a day.
The heatsink was quite cool.

Why only for one day? Because when I tried to run Windows my applications
crashed (general protection faults). And until someone will port serious 
music apps under Linux I need WinDog (sigh!), so I played for a while with 
BIOS hardware settings, and eventually I switched back to 66MHz.

I wonder why this happens: maybe because Windows uses a broader
instruction set than gcc? Undocumented instructions? Continuous
real/protected mode switches? Bad programming practices?
Do you think that getting a better motherboard and/or faster memory
will help?

My AMD CPU is quite new, so it's probably no more able to run at
80 MHz.

Alberto

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From: [email-masked] (Brian Lane)
Subject: Re: Which file to auto-run X programs in?
Date: 16 Oct 1994 22:30:56 -0700

Jay Ward ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Hi folks!

:   I'm trying to start up some programs (xclock, xbiff, etc.) when X
: starts, but everything in my .xsession is being ignored.  Does fvwm
: use some other file in my home dir to load from?  I've modified the
: system.fvwmrc in /usr/X11/lib/X11, but that's just for menus, colors,
: etc. right?

  Nope. Look farther into the .fvwmrc or system.fvwm -- there is a 
section titled Function "InitFunction" where you can add things to be run 
when fvwm starts up.

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From: [email-masked] (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: More on word processors... svgalib?
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:44:30 GMT

[email-masked] (Guess who?) writes:

>Just as a general question to all, how hard would it be to write a wysiwyg
>word processor to use the svgalib instead of x?  And can apps that use
>svgalib be run remotely?

I hate to sound like a recording- but using svgalib is *******NOT********
a good choice.  It is not a standard on multiple platforms.  This means
the software would be Linux specific and not portable to all the other
Unixes (SCO, Solaris, HP/UX, etc).  When we work hard on free software,
I think it should be available to as many different people and platforms
as possible.

In addition, X is the "official" graphics environment for Unix.  Writing
things which do not run in X will greatly annoy those who want integration
and flexibility.  X apps can run on any Unix platform, via modem, hardwire,
ethernet, Xterminals, remote workstations, consoles, distributed,
centralized, multihost, etc....   This flexibility and power is not
available in a platform & OS & hardware proprietary graphics environment.
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:49:34 GMT

[email-masked] (Byron A Jeff) writes:

>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Mark A. Davis <[email-masked]> wrote:
>[email-masked] (Byron A Jeff) writes:
>-
>->However what's missing is the functionality along the lines of early
>->WordPerfect or Word applications. Text based, formatting hidden from the
>->user, prints to lots of printers, basic wordprocessing functionality of
>->font size and type, text placement, highlights like bold, italics, underline
>->etc., and basic table generation.
>-
>-Actually, the current version of WordPerfect for Unix does ship with
>-a text based version (as well as the X based WYSIWYG).  There is no compromise;
>-choose which version you need, or run both.  (Inotherwords, you don't have
>-to go to an early version of WP to get that functionality).  MS-"Word" is
>-a different story.

>I knew that Mark.

Then why did you say "..the lines of early WordPerfect..."?  I was just trying
to prevent people from thinking that WordPerfect did not support text modes
anymore.  Trust me, if they did that, I would drop the product at work
like a hot potato!

> In fact I have a copy of SCO WordPerfect 5.1 sitting
>on my desk waiting for kernel upgrade and the IBSC2 installation necessary
>to install it.

Please do install- I was doing the same thing.  I put off upgrading the
kernel for 6 months before a took the plunge.  The insmod stuff is cool and
really works!  Too bad all drivers/kernel extensions aren't using insmod.

>But as you pointed out in another post I'm cheap. After getting used to
>free OS's, editors, compilers, and the like why should I pay for a
>WordProcessor? Even if it's the same price as the DOS product (which I 
>personally don't use anyway.)

Maybe "not everything in life is free"?   :)
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From: [email-masked] (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Frame Maker for Linux!
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:53:29 GMT

[email-masked] (Shannon Hendrix) writes:

>[email-masked] (Mark A. Davis) writes:

>>That is not a floating license.  It is locked to a single machine.  The
>>retail price for the rest of us for such a version is $1000.  Many sites,
>>our included, refuse to buy non-floating licenses.  And most people cannot
>>get a heafty educational discount.

>We are an OEM so we can get good prices.  Other times I think we can
>end up paying more than we should.  Go figure.

Well, buy software for ***US*** then!!

>>> and at school we used to run the single on
>>>multiple machines all the time.  No idea why.

>>That should not be possible.  ANd in any case, it would be illegal to do
>>so (according to the license wording).

>#1) Don't bet on it being impossible.  I know we found at least 5 major
>    packages that had a hard time enforcing user limits.

Actually, it does not surprise me.

>#2) Are you talking about those license that begin "By breaking this seal"?
>    Last time I heard, shrink-wrap licenses were only valid in about 3
>    states, illegal or void in the rest.

I had no idea.

>>>floating licenses are a ripoff.  I know people with more than one
>>>machine at home and it's stupid for them to not be able to log into
>>>either of them and run a program.

>>You have it backwards.  A floating license will allow you to run it anywhere.

>No, I didn't have it backwards.  I mean that people who cannot afford a
>floating license are forced to use only one of their machines and that
>makes no sense.  If I buy another Linux box I would have to purchase 
>another copy of /rdb and another copy of Motif to be legal.  Sorry but I
>think that stinks.  I can understand if it's for a company that will have
>many users but for me... if one machine is busy why should I have to wait?

Indeed, I agree.  But this is what a floating license allows.  You can
connect your two Linux machines via ethernet and have one running a
license daemon.  This way you can run the program on either.

>>Your cheap, $1000 node-locked version will NOT allow you to run it on
>>anything but a single machine or a single display on a single machine.

>And that sucks.  I want to see UNIX software at the pricing level I can
>get for Windows software.  Yesterday at CompUSA I could walk out with
>7 major business packages for under $200.

I know, it does suck.  It sucks big time.  It majorly sucks.

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