Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #958
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 94 13:14:51 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #958, Volume #2                Mon, 17 Oct 94 13:14:51 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware (Alan Cox)
  Reverse mtools for DOS? (Michael)
  Re: Comments about the Linux WP idea (Michael Babcock)
  Re: X-window help in Linux (please) (Alan Cox)
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Alan Cox)
  Re: Mosaic Netscape for Linux? (Alan Cox)
  Another spreadsheet for Linux (was: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux?) ([email-masked])
  Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? (Alan Cox)
  Re: Telnet & ftp freeze! (Alan Cox)
  Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Ted Harding)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Byron A Jeff)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Byron A Jeff)
  Re: I want SETUID scripts! (Mirko Dziadzka)
  Help getting HP Deskjet 500 to work under Linux (Ren B. Bitonio)
  Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux? (Richard L. Goerwitz)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil Fall 1994: buyers be aware
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:38:34 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Eric Silver) writes:
>4.) Mounting a dos disk and copying using the 
>    cp -p /mnt/unzip /home/root/unzip     command results 
>    in a properly copied file BUT the binary can not execute.

chmod 755 unzip; hash -r; ./unzip ... RTFM 8)

>I guess its my own fault. As consumers we should expect thirty-nine
>dollar performance from a $39.00 (plus tax) Unix. 

I guess I shall stick to Slackware for my recommendations still. It's a pity
because Yggdrasil has some great ideas, a commitment to free software and
seems to have their heart in the right place.

Alan
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From: [email-masked] (Michael)
Subject: Reverse mtools for DOS?
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:59:49 GMT

I'm in the situation where, by convention, I have to use DOS at work, 
although I prefer linux - which I use at home.  Most of my friends also use 
DOS...  (They've not seen the light ;)

I was wondering if there is something available like mtools, for DOS, i.e. 
reading, say, an ext2fs file system diskette from DOS?

I've not looked further into this idea yet, but would be willing to give it 
a bash (Hmm. Another idea: bash for DOS!  GACK!)

I could then have, say ext2fs on my floppies, and on ocasion, when I need to 
copy a file to DOS, I'll not have a problem...

At the moment most of my floppies are DOS formatted.  When I get something 
interesting by FTP (at work), I have to copy it onto a DOS disk. At home I 
then have to transfer everything back to linux, renaming truncated filenames 
as I go along!

So, am I the only one with this problem?

Let me know what you think...

Later
Mike

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The more things change, the more things stay insane.
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From: [email-masked] (Michael Babcock)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Comments about the Linux WP idea
Date: 16 Oct 1994 23:30:57 -0600

In article <[email-masked]>,
Richard L. Goerwitz <[email-masked]> wrote:
>[email-masked] writes:
>>...what will the data structure look like.  Fundamentally, a word processor
>>and an editor are very different.  I suspect that the best choice for a data
>>structure for the WP would consist of a linked list of paragraphs.  Perhaps
>>the paragraph should be implemented as a buffer gap. Also, how will the
>>character attributes be stored?  Should we store an attribute with each
>>character?  Should the data structure consist of a parallel stream of
>>attributes?  Questions like this are going to be fundamental to the
>>development of the WP.  I suspect that it is NOT a good idea to integrate an
>>existing editor into the WP.
>
>Always willing to play Miss Thistlebottom, let me just remind you guys to
>make sure those data structures can accommodate wide characters (e.g. what
>you'd find in Unicide) and that your wrapping and other algorithms aren't
>obsessive about text going left-right all the time!

ABSOLUTELY agree with this!  Also decouple input enough so that any
complex input method can be written on top of the wp without much trouble,
definitely without modifying the source.

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: X-window help in Linux (please)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:43:14 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Warwick Allison) writes:
>Do many Linux users use than MS-Windows crap (top and click to type)?

I've always used click to select on windows. The whichever window the mouse
happens to be over modes always drive me nuts - especially when playing
keyboard driven games and I bump the mouse

Alan
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:45:39 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>Nate Williams <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>Nope.  Ultrix is probably the last of the commercial OS that is still
>>primarily BSD based (excepting BSDI's offering).  However, it's being
>>phased out by OSF/1, so it's a dead-end OS as far as DEC is concerned.
>On the other hand I've several times pulled code out of the FreeBSD
>CDROM to replace buggy software shipped with OSF/1. Go figure.

Several people I know well have used bits of NetBSD to replace some
unfortunate bugs in a Sun supplied operating system on the Sparc. In this
case they number of files replaced was probably considerably larger 8).

Alan

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From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Mosaic Netscape for Linux?
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:54:35 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Mike Loseke) writes:
>Does anyone know if Mosaic Communication Corp.'s Netscape Web Browser is
>going to available for Linux anytime soon? I checked out the HP-UX version
>this morning and it looked pretty nice. And FAST! It says that it does multiple
>connections for faster loading of pages and has native support for jpeg
>images. It even has a native newsreader that works pretty good, and has 
>threading almost as good as trn (IMO). Kind of stingy on the colormap tho.

This goes for all such questions :-

                        ASK THE VENDOR

That also gives them a feel for market share.
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From: [email-masked]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Another spreadsheet for Linux (was: Re: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux?)
Date: 17 Oct 1994 05:46:02 GMT
Reply-To: [email-masked]

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (David E. Fox) writes:
 : While 'sc', 'oleo' and 'xspread' are nice, they just don't look as nice as
 : do the DOS spreadsheets.  I agree with this point mostly for the reason
 : that I've used DOS spreadsheets so much that touch-typing 123-style
 : commands is second nature, but not so with things like oleo (although they
 : do use emacs-style keystrokes for some things, which is a win).

You might want to check out what I have done to `sc'.  Earlier in the
summer, I rewrote much of the user interface because I found it too `vi'
like.  Now it supports user defineable keymaps, Lotus style menus, and cells
are color coded, e.g., formulas in one color, numbers in another, strings
... etc.  It is all user customizable. It also now as GNU-like readline
capabilites for editing and recall of expressions.  Finally, I installed a
print menu item.  In have included a print filter for the HP inkjed 5xx
series that will allow me to print out any size spreadsheet that it can
handle.

All in all, it looks alot better.  It is available from amy.tch.harvard.edu
in pub/slsc (I call it slsc--- it still read/write sc files though).

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one?
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:56:00 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Peter da Silva) writes:
>LINUS IS NOT SYSTEM V BASED. It was developed from scratch using Minix to

Linus is based on standard human wetware technology 8)

Alan

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Telnet & ftp freeze!
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:22:23 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Trevor Lampre) writes:
>I can'r remember exactly. I thought I'd saved the article but can't find 
>it now :(. The post was to do with fragmentation problems that should be
>fixed in the next release of the the Net-3 code.

The trouble is its multiple bugs :

o       People using newer kernels with PPP and installing the ppp.c/h from
        the package concerned
o       People with misconfigured modems
o       People with misconfigured ethernet
o       Faulty client software (eg older wintrumpet)
o       Linux bugs.

There's only been one fragmentation related bug fixed recently and that
was mishanding of the DF bit when using Linux as a router with some solaris
hosts (fixed in 1.1.52).

Alan
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From: [email-masked] (Ted Harding)
Subject: Applets; was: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 17 Oct 1994 12:02:25 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Ted Harding)

[email-masked] (Mat Ballard) wrote:
===============================================
| what i want an operating environment that is:
|         a. robust
|         b. cheap
|         c. complete
|         d. rich in applications.
| 
| linux scores well in the first two, and windoze + apps + bits & pieces
| scores well in the last two.
| 
| however, if linux remains the province of the skilled and enthusiastic
| hobbyist, then it will _DIE_ and _DISSAPPEAR_, and we will all end up
| paying a yearly license fee to Mr Gates, just like what IBM, DEC
| et al did to their customers.
| 
| this is not an outcome that i want to see.
| 
May I add my signature to this one? I heartily agree. In the short term
the honeymoon mood will keep it all going. In the long term - Mat is right!

Ted.                                     ([email-masked])

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From: [email-masked] (Byron A Jeff)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 17 Oct 1994 14:00:40 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Lars Marowsky-Bree <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Quoting [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz) ,
>topic 'Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?', group /comp/unix/questions, stardate 11.10.94:
>
>>>Let's be  frank, what WYSIWYG word processor for other platforms has the
>>>full functionality of TeX?
>>Yeah.  And while we're at it:  What programming language has the full
>>functionality of assembler?  
>
>You are missing the point:
>
>(La)TeX is portable.  Assembler is not.  If you want to compare text
>systems and programming  languages,  it  would  be fairer to compare
>Assembler to a pixel editor.

No Lars, he hit the point right on the head. While (La)TeX is a very powerful
tool, its level of interface is PERCEIVED (very important!) to be too low
level to be used effectively by the large majority of the Document perparation
crowd.

See we have two differing groups of folks here:

Group 1) Formatters are powerful. Everyone should use them.
Group 2) Formatters are hard to use. Everyone should use WordProcessors 
         instead.

I'm in Group 3) Put both out there and let people use what they want.

And we all have our pet peeves. Richard demands multilinqualness while mine
is that if all I have is a VT100 terminal and modem I should still be able to
WordProcess (not format. The interface is the real difference) without having
to resort to buying an ISDN line and an Xterminal.

Let's be inclusive people. The Linux movement is not in the practice of
excluding folk (especially industrious folk who write their own software ! ;-)
And one tool won't solve everyone's problems. So let's have 5 tools or 10 tools
or however many tools is makes so that each person can do the task the way they
want to.

Later,

BAJ
-- 
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Byron A Jeff)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Date: 17 Oct 1994 14:06:04 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Mark A. Davis <[email-masked]> wrote:
[email-masked] (Byron A Jeff) writes:
-
->In article <[email-masked]>,
->Mark A. Davis <[email-masked]> wrote:
->[email-masked] (Byron A Jeff) writes:
->-
->->However what's missing is the functionality along the lines of early
->->WordPerfect or Word applications. 
->-
->-Actually, the current version of WordPerfect for Unix does ship with
->-a text based version (as well as the X based WYSIWYG). 
-
->I knew that Mark.
-
-Then why did you say "..the lines of early WordPerfect..."?  I was just trying
-to prevent people from thinking that WordPerfect did not support text modes
-anymore.  Trust me, if they did that, I would drop the product at work
-like a hot potato!

Because while you're hooked on the Unix version I believe the DOS 6.0 and the
Windows 6.0 versions have dropped text support. I should be more specific of
the version and OS target.

-
-> In fact I have a copy of SCO WordPerfect 5.1 sitting
->on my desk waiting for kernel upgrade and the IBSC2 installation necessary
->to install it.
-
-Please do install- I was doing the same thing.  I put off upgrading the
-kernel for 6 months before a took the plunge.  The insmod stuff is cool and
-really works!  Too bad all drivers/kernel extensions aren't using insmod.

Will do when I get a chance.

-
->But as you pointed out in another post I'm cheap. After getting used to
->free OS's, editors, compilers, and the like why should I pay for a
->WordProcessor? Even if it's the same price as the DOS product (which I 
->personally don't use anyway.)
-
-Maybe "not everything in life is free"?   :)

True. But this is something that's not out of the realm of possibilty. The
legos (screen and keyboard management, mouse support, and renderers) already
exist in the freware world. It really only needs a handful a dedicated folks
to pull it together. I'd volunteer but I'm swamped.

Later,

BAJ
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Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Mirko Dziadzka)
Subject: Re: I want SETUID scripts!
Date: 17 Oct 1994 14:50:19 +0100

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Alex Ramos) writes:
>
>Does anybody have patches for allowing setuid shell scripts?
>Like many other Linux users, the only reason I even have a *user*
>account on my system is mostly to avoid shooting myself on the foot.
>So, I don't care if setuid scripts are unsecure. As long as I can't
>break one on accident, it's fine with me.

Quick and dirty:

=============================== cut here ===============================
fs/exec.c:
==========
                /*
                 * OK, now restart the process with the interpreter's inode.
                 * Note that we use open_namei() as the name is now in kernel
                 * space, and we don't need to copy it.
                 */
                retval = open_namei(interp, 0, 0, &bprm.inode, NULL);
                if (retval)
                        goto exec_error1;

+               current->euid = bprm.e_uid;
+               current->egid = bprm.e_gid;

                goto restart_interp;
=============================== cut here ===============================

        Mirko

+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Mirko Dziadzka                     | Linux - das beste Textadventure   |
| <[email-masked]> | aller Zeiten                      |
|------------------------------------+-----------------------------------|
| The Linux-Kernel book: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/topics/linux/|
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (Ren B. Bitonio)
Subject: Help getting HP Deskjet 500 to work under Linux
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 00:12:32 GMT

Trying to fix the staircase effect of my HP DeskJet 500 printer,
I modified my printcap with an inclusion of a filter.

However, I got nothing and I got a status saying 
"waiting for myprinter to become ready (offline?)" but it is online.

I am newbie in the sense of printing, and I was wondering if anyone
could guide me.

Is there an input filter suitable for the HP Deskjet 500?
By the way, I ran the printer daemon "lpd" each time after I modified
printcap.

Ren
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< Ren B. Bitonio ([email-masked], [email-masked], et. al. ) >
     "On your own admission, you raised up the knife
      And you brought it down ending another man's life."
          -- David Gilmour

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
From: [email-masked] (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: Word (Text) processors for Linux?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 14:25:01 GMT

[email-masked] (Byron A Jeff) writes:
>
>And we all have our pet peeves. Richard demands multilingualness while mine
>is that if all I have is a VT100 terminal and modem I should still be able to
>WordProcess (not format. The interface is the real difference) without having
>to resort to buying an ISDN line and an Xterminal.

It's not so much a matter of what capabilities are included as what
capabilities are *pre*cluded by sloppy or narrow design.  The multi-
lingual "problem" is really only a problem because so many packages
have been designed without any thought that anyone would be using
them with up-down or right-left languages, and without any thought
that millions (billions?) of people on the planet are multilingual.

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   -Richard L. Goerwitz              [email-masked]
   [email-masked]          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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