Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #964
From: Digestifier <[email-masked]>
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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 94 12:13:20 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #964, Volume #2                Tue, 18 Oct 94 12:13:20 EDT

Contents:
  Re: tk3.6 w/Pixmap patches, shared lib incompatible? ("Eric Jeschke")
  Re: Weakest Linux Box (Steven Pritchard)
  Re: More on word processors... svgalib? (Larry Doolittle)
  Word processors for Linux? (Ted Harding)
  Re: [INFO WANTED] C/SLIP vs. PPP (Charles Liu)
  Re: Linux doesn't like my cache (C. Chan)
  Re: AHA1542CF and 2.1 GB drive (Scott Jennings)
  Re: Tar | Seyon Problems (James C Crump III)
  Excellent Linux CD-ROM (Michael Yaroslavtsev)
  Re: [pine] where is spell(1) ? (Bryan Vold)
  Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net (Irish)
  Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net (Binesh Bannerjee)
  Re: Linux T-Shirts! Second Batch of Shirts. (Phil Hughes)
  Re: PPP (Chat) problem! (Al Longyear)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (John Palaima)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (John Palaima)
  Re: Mystery Chip...AMD (John Palaima)
  Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net (just another theatre geek)

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From: "Eric Jeschke" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: tk3.6 w/Pixmap patches, shared lib incompatible?
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:33:59 -0500

[email-masked] (Thorsten Meinecke) writes:

:I've finally managed to rebuild tk3.6 with pixmap support under Linux, using
:  sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/devel/tcl/tk3.6p1l1-src.tar.gz
:as source distribution and adding the patch and additional module files from
:  ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de:/pub/tcl/contrib/extensions/TkPixmap3.6i.tar.gz

It would be great if you could make available a binary release.
Any chance you could add one or two other extensions like the
drag and drop or photo widget?

-- 
Eric Jeschke                      |          Indiana University
[email-masked]            |     Computer Science Department

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From: [email-masked] (Steven Pritchard)
Subject: Re: Weakest Linux Box
Date: 15 Oct 1994 16:28:30 -0600

[email-masked] (Colin J. Dunn) writes:
>[email-masked] (Christopher M. May) writes:
>>: To H.J.:  Go buy a 386DX/40.  I got one for $90 a while back, and it is 
>>: *so* much faster.  The SX/16 board now waits to replace a dead 286.  (And 
>>: the cycle begins again...)
>>Wouldn't a 486SLC33Mhz board be faster?  Upgradeability is 
>>not really possible on these though :(.
>>These boards are cheap, around $100.
>And a 486DLC/40 is probably not more than $130, and would run rings
>around everything. I have read that a 486DLC/40 approaches 486SX/33
>speeds. Of course, a 387DX math coprocessor would push the cost of
>the motherboard over $200... :(

There is a reason for buying a 386DX/40 MB now.  Like I said, I bought 
one for $90, but I've heard of them selling for around $50.  All of the 
good ones will take a 486DLC/40 and a math co (upgrade path!).  In the 
near future, I will probably be buying a DLC to get a bit of a speed 
boost.  Then again, I may wait, save my $$, and get a DX2/66 or 80.

Steve
-- 
[email-masked]  | Southern Illinois Linux Users Group
(618)549-8579             | Meetings the 1st and 3rd Mondays of every month.
Steven Pritchard          | http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~spritcha/home.html

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From: [email-masked] (Larry Doolittle)
Subject: Re: More on word processors... svgalib?
Reply-To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 14:57:57 GMT

Mark A. Davis ([email-masked]) wrote:
: [email-masked] (Guess who?) writes:

: >Just as a general question to all, how hard would it be to write a wysiwyg
: >word processor to use the svgalib instead of x?  And can apps that use
: >svgalib be run remotely?

: I hate to sound like a recording- but using svgalib is *******NOT********
: a good choice.  It is not a standard on multiple platforms.  This means
: the software would be Linux specific and not portable to all the other
: Unixes (SCO, Solaris, HP/UX, etc).  When we work hard on free software,
: I think it should be available to as many different people and platforms
: as possible.

: In addition, X is the "official" graphics environment for Unix.  Writing
: things which do not run in X will greatly annoy those who want integration
: and flexibility.  X apps can run on any Unix platform, via modem, hardwire,
: ethernet, Xterminals, remote workstations, consoles, distributed,
: centralized, multihost, etc....   This flexibility and power is not
: available in a platform & OS & hardware proprietary graphics environment.

I agree, but that misses a point - the world is full of applications that can
run under svgalib **or** Xwindows.  (real world examples: ghostscript, gnuplot)
That is the way to go for anything you are targeting at the "mass market".
Xwindows is a real hog, and there are lots of underpowered machines out
there.  Yes, they can be upgraded - but it's more effective to get
a whole new machine.  Then some other poor SOB gets stuck with the
underpowered machine (you sure won't throw it away).  What are _they_
supposed to do with it?  Run DOS?  You sure won't run Chicago - or
Chicago apps - on it <grin>.  Let's give these poeple something useful
to do with their cast off 386DX's with 4M RAM and 640x480 monitors.
Owners of laptops will like the choice, too!

        - Larry Doolittle    [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Ted Harding)
Subject: Word processors for Linux?
Date: 18 Oct 1994 06:01:10 -0400
Reply-To: [email-masked] (Ted Harding)

[email-masked] (Byron A Jeff) wrote:
================================================
| I sympathize with you (and Richard too). My proposal would have some kind of
| basic multilingual support, or at least the hooks so that it could be added
| on. But honestly in the multilingual crowds opinion is it possible to have
| a text based multilingual support? My opinion from my limited understanding
| is that it's probably not possible to do.
| 
Can I suggest a working hypothesis? It's on the lines of "If you can find
it printed on the page of a book then you can computerize the production
of that page". However, I want to avoid issues that involve the scanning-in
of images and colour laser printers that cost 6 figures in $$$.

A more humble paradigm is: If a black-&-white printed page could have
been set up by a traditional compositor placing pre-cast lumps of metal
in a block, then the production of that page can be computerized, and
what's more the user interface can be character-based if you wish to be
that "primitive" (and that's not meant to be an insult either - it can be
extremely efficient).

Now that paradigm covers the hand-setting of printed pages where you could
have representatives of many different languages and scripts all on
one page. It's been done many times, and excellent examples dating
from the 19th C can be found in libraries. To computerize it, however,
you need the complete set of founts for the languages you will use,
in a common "format" (i.e. each "lump of metal" needs reference-points
in a standard format, so that the computer knows what to do with them).
Standard PostScript does this with the commoner Latin characters and symbols.
Downloadable stroked definitions allow other "lumps of metal" to be
"cast". So ONE QUESTION is whether the PostScript approach is adequate
for all likely Multilingual needs. My guess is that it is.

Given that, the NEXT QUESTION is going to be HOW to represent
instructions to the computer to "compose" the page. Not WHETHER:-
according to the above "humble paradigm", it IS possible.

But I think, rather than spend time wondering how to jury-rig a job lot
of tools to do a rough and incomplete approximation to this, if
the ML-WP project is to be serious the basic planning has to start with the
issues just discussed.

Ted. ([email-masked])

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From: Charles Liu <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [INFO WANTED] C/SLIP vs. PPP
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:15:30 GMT

Here is my 2 cents opinion:

1. Still get a Linux (for the coming INTERNET/Distributed-Computing age)
2. Color terminals are too expensive $800 vs $195 PC VGA monitor.
3. With popular MS-Window, unless you get free Mac from Apple, stick with PC.

Charles Liu
ILA
-- 
End of Note

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From: [email-masked] (C. Chan)
Subject: Re: Linux doesn't like my cache
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:56:54 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Bob Kupiec <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
>After reading your message, it has me looking again into my problem.
>I'm still looking for the solution... ;-)
>
>I have a 486dx40 with 70ns SIMMS and 256k 20ns cache ram.  The machine
>has problems while running with the cache turned on.  (i.e.  kernel
>compile errors, garbage reads from disk, Slackware install crashed, etc.)
>With cache turned off, the machine runs fine, except ~10% slower on compiles.
>
>I've tried messing with the BIOS setups ad infinitum, with no luck.
>Your post made me look again in the motherboard manual, and I found a
>jumper setting.  Here is what it says:
>
>"VL-Bus Master Setting
>
>Set JP8 to configure the VL-Bus for zero wait state or one wait
>state (default)."
>
>It's currently set to ZERO wait states.   I don't remember exactly,
>but I think I switched this (to ONE wait state) to test the cache problem
>and the machine ran REALLY slow.  What does this jumper do?  It sounds
>Bus related, not memory related.
>
>Has anyone with an AMI BIOS had and fixed this problem?  What are your BIOS
>settings?  
>
>The motherboard I'm using is made by SI3 (p/n YM413201).
>
>-- 
>Bob Kupiec   (N3MML)        Phone: 1-609-897-7300      JvNCnet (GES, Inc.)
>Network Engineering         -or- : 1-800-35-TIGER      3 Independence Way
>Email: [email-masked]       Fax : 1-609-897-7310      Princeton, NJ 08540

I am running an AMD 386DX40 MB, OPTI chipset, AMI BIOS rev. 8/93,
20 ns cache RAM, 8 Mb 70 ns DRAM (3 chip/SIMM), and I have my VLB
IDE/F/S/P/G card set to 33MHz, no wait states. (The VLB I/O card is some
Made In China brand, Pine or something like that.)

I am running Linux and OS/2 2.1 at 2-1-1-1, and 0 wait states for
cache and memory access. DOOM runs fine under Linux and as a
DOS full window process under OS/2. (It isn't very fast but you'd
be amazed at what a 386/40+VLB+cheap S3 card can do.)

I am running the AT bus at CPU/3 or 13.3 MHz, w/o problems.

Under MS-DOS 6.2.1 however, DOOM flakes out on these settings, and
I have to change to 3-1-1-1 and 1 wait state to cache and main mem.,
and lower the AT-bus to CPU/4. Weird; another strike against DOS?

I have done 5 or 6 compiles of the Linux kernel w/o any problems;
on a 486/66 MB I had the compile would break until I added wait states
to the cache.

I suspect sample to same variations in MB and cache chips are
greater than touted, and may explain some of this flakey behavior
especially with low priced MBs.

-- 
C. Chan <[email-masked]> | " Proud to be a chordate! "

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From: [email-masked] (Scott Jennings)
Subject: Re: AHA1542CF and 2.1 GB drive
Date: 16 Oct 1994 01:12:44 GMT

Joern Rennecke ([email-masked]) wrote:
: [email-masked] (Oz Dror) writes:

: >Driver Segate ST12400N (2.1GB)

: >I am unable to get beyond the 1 GB boundary. If I try to partition above
: >the 1 GB boundary I get an error about mismatch of physical and logical.
: >I have disabled the BIOS support for extended mapping for > 1GB. I was told by
: >the manufacturer that this option is only for DOS, and for a unix driver I
: >should disable it.

: The linux driver takes the remapping for granted. So you better enable it.
: I have an 1542cf too and use it to access a 1.7 GB Micropolis drive, and
: it runs fine this way.

runs just fine here with mapping *disabled* too.  (2.1GB)
(but lilo does want one partition below 1GB to boot from)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: [email-masked] (James C Crump III)
Subject: Re: Tar | Seyon Problems
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:21:21 GMT

David J Topper ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Tar Question:

: My version of tar gives me the following error when I try to extract from the
: following file:

:       tar -x Cmix.manual.tar
:       tar: can't open /dev/nftape : I/O error

: Granted, I did download the file with a DOS comm program and then copy it over
: to a Linx directory (having my DOS partition mounted to /dosc).  Would that
: make a difference?  Or is there something esle at work here.  

: Seyon Question:

: So in order to rectify the above situaion, possibly, I tried to download the
: file again with seyon.  Whenever I try to:

:       sz Cmix.manual.tar

: I get a bunch of timeout errors.  Even if I try to time things exactly (i.e., 
: type the above command, then do a RECEIVE - Reg. Zmodem, then watch errors).  
: In general, I've been having bad luck getting seyon to upload and download
: files.

: Any help to either of the above would be greatly appreciated.

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From: [email-masked] (Michael Yaroslavtsev)
Subject: Excellent Linux CD-ROM
Date: 18 Oct 1994 01:55:49 GMT

After reading the thread about Yggdrasil 1994 Fall release,
I just want to let you all know that a week ago I purchased
a Linux+BSD rel.4 CD-ROM from TransAmeritech and enjoyed it
very much. It has this very attractive option to quickly install
full-fledged Linux on top of your DOS file system (they call
it 'test drive'). After trying this, I've made a regular
installation to discover no problem worth to mention.
I think the CD-ROM is a pretty good bang for its 30 bucks.

Just my $.02.

-- Mike

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From: [email-masked] (Bryan Vold)
Subject: Re: [pine] where is spell(1) ?
Date: 14 Oct 1994 16:37:02 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>,
 <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In Article <[email-masked]>
>[email-masked] writes:
>>
>>  Hello.
>>
>>  I just noticed that the Pine binary I have on my pC does not 
>>spell-check.
>>
>[Chomp]
>>
>>  Bill
>
>You need to find a spell checking program that is compatible with `spell'.
>I use gnu ispell-4.0, which is the obsolete version of ispell, but is
>compatible with spell.  ispell-3.x is the newer, better version (don't ask),
>but is not compatible.  You should still be able to find ispell-4.0 on gnu
>sites like sunsite.unc.edu.

If you have ispell, what you can do is make a symlink from ispell to spell.
This is mentioned in the ispell man page.  What it says, is that if you 
run ispell as "spell" (i.e. a symlink), it will operate as the original
unix spell did.  After creating a symlink from ispell to spell, my Pine 
spell-checking works great!  

-Bryan
-- 
[email-masked]               "The relentless pursuit of perfection"
Linux -- The Choice of a GNU Generation  "Make it so, Number One." 

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Crossposted-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc,misc.legal,gnu.misc.discuss
From: [email-masked] (Irish)
Subject: Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 12:06:02 GMT

        A couple of things.

        1). Every year Congress reviews various things, one of which is 
the cable act. In 1992 (or thereabouts), they asked Cable (or rather, 
their PACs) what they wanted changed to improve their service. Cable 
responded that they would like the ability to do NO-KNOCK SEARCHES of 
private residences with HIRED ARMED GUARDS (not cops). Why? "cable 
thieves" was the response. That's right, Joe Schmoe hooks up that black 
box he got from his buddy so he can watch Plaboy for free, and the next 
thing he knows his door is broken down without warning, and armed men are 
ripping apart his entertainment center. Fortunatly, Congress has a few 
more brains than most people account for, and of course told them no 
chance in hell.
        By now you are asking "what's this got to do with copyright 
violations?" Well, The essence here is that's exactly what ol' Joe was 
doing: Violating Copyright. And there are people out there that take it 
rather seriously, especially when they are losing money on it. And some 
of them have some clout where it can do a LOT of damage to the freedoms 
that are a basic part of America. So it boils down to respect; Respect 
someones freedom to protect something (even second-hand), and you won't 
force these people with (probably far too much) power to take action 
against EVERYONES freedom.

        2). (Yes, that was 1) Why is this thread being crossposted to 
comp.os.linux.misc anyway? (that's where I found it)
-- 
                        Irish
    "I'm Not the shell answer man, I just know some things about Linux"

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From: [email-masked] (Binesh Bannerjee)
Crossposted-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc,misc.legal,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net
Date: 18 Oct 1994 10:35:17 -0400

Irish ([email-masked]) wrote:

:       A couple of things.

:       1). Every year Congress reviews various things, one of which is 
: the cable act. In 1992 (or thereabouts), they asked Cable (or rather, 
: their PACs) what they wanted changed to improve their service. Cable 
: responded that they would like the ability to do NO-KNOCK SEARCHES of 
: private residences with HIRED ARMED GUARDS (not cops). Why? "cable 
: thieves" was the response. That's right, Joe Schmoe hooks up that black 
: box he got from his buddy so he can watch Plaboy for free, and the next 
: thing he knows his door is broken down without warning, and armed men are 
: ripping apart his entertainment center. Fortunatly, Congress has a few 
: more brains than most people account for, and of course told them no 
: chance in hell.

You have GOT to be kidding!

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Binesh
-- 
* Will sit by a pool and relax and have fun for money. *
Hey... it's going to work someday...

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From: [email-masked] (Phil Hughes)
Subject: Re: Linux T-Shirts! Second Batch of Shirts.
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:58:24 GMT

Neil Charley ([email-masked]) wrote:
:    Hmmm, what about the rest of the world? Not all Linux users are in
: the USA or Australia ya know *8-/

Linux Journal has both the "My Other Computer is a Linux System" and the
"Virtual Brewery" t-shirts available.  There are pictures of them (and
info on all the other Linux products that SSC/Linux Journal carries).
Call (206) 527-3385, fax (206) 527-2806 or e-mail [email-masked] to request
details or a catalog.
-- 
Phil Hughes, Publisher, Linux Journal (206) 527-3385
usually [email-masked], sometimes [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Al Longyear)
Subject: Re: PPP (Chat) problem!
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:46:20 GMT

[email-masked] (Pat Cai) writes:

>  I have a strange problem using PPP.  When I first boot my computer, I
>have no way to make PPP dial a number.  I would have to exit and goto
>DOS/ms-windows to make a modem connection.  Then when I come back to Linux,
>PPP behave perfectly.

The scripts typically work with what is called a "Hayes compatable" modem.
There is a very large list of modems which are in this category.

Read the manual page for chat. It is the primary documentation for the
program's use.

There are some sample scripts in the chat directory.
-- 
Al Longyear           [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (John Palaima)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 18 Oct 1994 14:20:49 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Michael Berthold <[email-masked]> wrote:
>|> wholesale relabling DX/2-66s to DX/2-80s.
>
>Why should they do that???

Because it is cheaper than making a new batch of chips. :)
--
Richard Cooley Extraordinaire           "Yeah.  Arrgh."
        [email-masked]      These are my opinions, not MIT's etc...
        [email-masked]           Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux
"LILO - it's not just a boot loader, it's a way of life" -- me

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From: [email-masked] (John Palaima)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 18 Oct 1994 14:28:14 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Brad Matthew Garcia <[email-masked]> wrote:

>performance than you would with an Intel 486DX2-66!  Now that AMD is 
>actually selling chips labeled 486DX2-80, this might mean that AMD
>is testing thier current batch of 486DX2-66's and relabeling the ones that
>are stable at 80 MHz.

This is what I was talking about, only I think Brad explained it better
than me :)
--
Richard Cooley Extraordinaire           "Yeah.  Arrgh."
        [email-masked]      These are my opinions, not MIT's etc...
        [email-masked]           Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux
"LILO - it's not just a boot loader, it's a way of life" -- me

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From: [email-masked] (John Palaima)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Mystery Chip...AMD
Date: 18 Oct 1994 14:38:06 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Michael Berthold <[email-masked]> wrote:
>In article <[email-masked]>,
>[email-masked] (Daniel Zappala) writes:
>|> In article <[email-masked]>,
>|>[email-masked] (John Palaima) writes:
>|> > take bets that new 66Mhz chips will be "crippled" so they can't be over-
>|> > clocked? :)  
>|> > --
>I have doubts.

It depends.  It would force you to buy a "genuine" DX2-80 (read: spend more
money) -- although someone said it was only about $20 more--in this case, it
seems to be almost stupid to continue to make the 66Mhz version!

>|> But a DX2-80 can't be just a relabeled, overclocked DX2-66.
>|>It's bus speed has to be 40 Mhz.

You're missing the point, I think:  A DX2-66 system has a motherboard with
a clock crystal that enables the system to run at 33Mhz (if I'm not mistaken,
the crystal *is* 66Mhz).  If I have a motherboard that allows me to set
multiple clock rates (and I do :) than I can rip the xtal out, replace it
with a faster one, and set the jumpers to say I'm running at 40Mhz, not 33.
"overclocking" in this case, means to run the chip out of spec by running a
chip designed for 33Mhz at 40Mhz.  I think you misunderstood me. Do you
understand now?  If not, maybe someone can do a better job than me:)

--
Richard Cooley Extraordinaire           "Yeah.  Arrgh."
        [email-masked]      These are my opinions, not MIT's etc...
        [email-masked]           Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux
"LILO - it's not just a boot loader, it's a way of life" -- me

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From: [email-masked] (just another theatre geek)
Crossposted-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc,misc.legal,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Copyright Violations Plague the Net
Date: 18 Oct 1994 15:08:26 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, Irish <[email-masked]> wrote:
> So it boils down to respect; Respect 
>someones freedom to protect something (even second-hand), and you won't 
>force these people with (probably far too much) power to take action 
>against EVERYONES freedom.

        Amen.

        Just respect other people's property. Period.

-- 
Roger Tang, [email-masked], Artistic Director  PC Theatre

        The most unAmerican thing you can say is "He/she makes too much money."

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