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Subject: Chinese BIG5 environment: FAQ of alt.chinese.text.big5
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Archive-name: chinese-text/big5-faq
Last-modified: November 22, 1993
Version: 2.5

  This article contains the answers to some Frequently Asked Questions
often seen in alt.chinese.text.big5. It also contains some FAQ mailed
to help@csie.nctu.edu.tw. We hope before you post or mail a question
about alt.chinese.text.big5, please make sure that the answer is not
already here. If you find this article doesn't include your questions
or some answers of this articles are not complete, please e-mail to 
help@csie.nctu.edu.tw. We will try to help you.

		   BIG-5 ~{Bk~} ~{VPND;7>3~} ~{5D~}  ~{NJ~} ~{Sk~} ~{4p~}
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>>> Table of Contents <<<<

	[0] How many people read a.c.t and a.c.t.b ?
	[1] Where can I find the latest version of this FAQ ?
	[2] If you have trouble with this group, and you cannot find
	    any solutions in this FAQ, how can you do ?
	[3] What's the differences between alt.chinese.text and 
	    alt.chinese.text.big5 ?
	[4] What should I know before I want to read alt.chinese.text.big5 ?
	[5] Do I need to crosspost my articles to both alt.chinese.text
	    and alt.chinese.text.big5 ?
	[6] Where can I find most of the software mentioned here ?
	[7] How can I view articles in alt.chinese.text.big5 from UNIX
	    hosts ?
	[8] What should I prepare if I want to input Chinese BIG5 code 
	    under UNIX environment ?
	[9] How can I make "cxterm" work in my system ?
       [10] How can I remotely display cxterm to my local X host if I don't 
	    have cxterm installed in my local host ?
       [11] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 chars in PC ?
       [12] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 chars via modem connection 
	    in PC?
       [13] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 chars via NCSA Telnet
	    utility in PC?
       [14] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 chars via NCSA Telnet
	    utility in Macintosh?
       [15] How can I utilize ChiRK to read BIG5 Chinese text ?
       [16] Why can't I read Chinese BIG5 mail in "elm"?     
       [17] Why can't I send out Chinese BIG5 mail ?
       [18] Is it possible to mail my article to alt.chinese.text.big5 ?
       [19] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 code under GNU Emacs 19.XX ?
       [20] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 code under vi ?
       [21] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 code under joe editor ?
       [22] Where can I get the "talk", "screen", ... etc. which support 
	    Chinese BIG5 characters ?
       [23] Which gopher servers can I get Chinese BIG5 stuff from ?
       [24] Why can'n my gopher client display Chinese BIG5 directories ?
       [25] How can I write Chinese BIG5 code in IRC (Internet Relay Chat)
	    environment ?
       [26] Is the MUD game support Chinese BIG5 code ?
       [27] How can I read alt.chinese.text.big5 offline ? Is there ftp site ~

            which archives the articles in alt.chinese.text.big5 ?
       [28] What should I notice if I use MS-KERMIT to read BIG Chinese
            word in my PC ?
       [29] Where are the Internet BBS servers in Taiwan ?
       [30] I know there are many good stuffs in BBS. Can I read these good 
	    articles by newsreader (NNTP) rather than register in BBS ?
       [31] Where can I buy Chinese BIG5 commercial products outsides
            Taiwan ?
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[0] How many people read a.c.t and a.c.t.b ?

      The following is the set of data from USENET readership report which
    comes from the Network Measurement Project at the DEC Network Systems
    Laboratory in Palo Alto, California for Oct 1993.

        +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
        |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
        |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all~

        |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
        |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
        |     |     |      |      |      +-- Crossposting percentage
        |     |     |      |      |      |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr
        |     |     |      |      |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrder~
s
        |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |   who read this group.~

        V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V
   1 470000  6439   90%    17   163.1   100%  0.00  12.6%  news.announce.newu~
sers 
   2 300000  4136   56%   842 11829.9     3%  0.04   8.1%  alt.sex.stories
.............
  71 110000  1474   73%  2663  5797.6    36%  0.06   2.9%  soc.culture.china
.............
 144  88000  1200   72%  2901  4864.9     8%  0.06   2.3%  soc.culture.hongko~
ng 
.............
 290  66000   898   72%   572  1191.2    20%  0.02   1.8%  soc.culture.taiwan~

.............
 431  56000   770   55%  3660  6800.2     0%  0.11   1.5%  alt.chinese.text
.............
 999  35000   472   55%   541   980.1     2%  0.02   0.9%  soc.culture.singap~
ore
.............
1106  32000   434   45%  3665  6693.6     0%  0.15   0.8%  alt.chinese.text.b~
ig5 


[1] Where can I find the latest version of this FAQ ?

      a) The FAQ will be posted monthly in alt.chinese.text and 
	 alt.chinese.text.big5. The FAQ you can find in these two groups 
	 should be the lastest version.

      b) If you have ftp access, you also can get a fresh copy of this FAQ
	 from :
	   rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/chinese-text/big5-faq
	   ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw:/pub/Chinese/chinese-text/big5-faq.


[2] If you have troubles with this group, and you cannot find any solutions
    in this FAQ, how can you do ?

      Certainly, post your questions into alt.chinese.text or
    alt.chinese.text.big5 is the best way, we think. There are thousands of
    people reading these two group every day. They will share their 
    experience to you whenever they've seen your problems. If you 
    can hardly access these two groups, please mail your problems to
    help@csie.nctu.edu.tw. There will be people there trying to help you.


[3] What's the differences between alt.chinese.text and
    alt.chinese.text.big5 ?

      Generally speaking, the contents of these two groups are the same.
    The difference between these two groups is the encoding method of
    Chinese characters. In alt.chinese.text, we usually use "HZ" protocol
    and "simplified form" Chinese chars, which is popular in mainland China
    and is assembled by two 7-bit ASCII characters. In alt.chinese.text.big5,~

    we usually use "BIG5" character set and "complicated (traditional) form" ~

    Chinese chars, which is popular in Taiwan and is assembled by two 8-bit
    ASCII characters. To make consistency of contents between these two 
    groups, there is a gateway program running in news.csie.nctu.edu.tw. 
    In other words, if you post a "HZ" article into alt.chinese.text, you 
    will find an another your BIG5 posing in alt.chinese.text.big5, and 
    vice versa. 
      Consequently, all you must keep in mind is that if you want to post 
    "HZ" articles, you must and can just post them into alt.chinese.text;
    if you want to post "BIG5" articles, you must and can just post them 
    into alt.chinese.text.big5. If you post "HZ"'s into alt.chinese.text.big5~

    or post "BIG5"'s into alt.chinese.text, the gateway program in 
    news.csie.nctu.edu.tw will ignore them.


[4] What should I know before I want to read alt.chinese.text.big5 ?

      The most important thing you must know is that the BIG5 is a 8-bit
    protocol. In other words, before you want to access the a.c.t.b group
    or you want to send out BIG5 packets, please make sure your local network~

    is 8-bit clean. As you may know, UUCP is a traditional 7-bit network, so
    if your news are fed from a UUCP site, than you probably cannot read
    articles in alt.chinese.text.big5.


[5] Do I need to crosspost my articles to both alt.chinese.text and 
    alt.chinese.text.big5 ?

      No, you needn't and cannot. There is a gateway program running in
    news.csie.nctu.edu.tw to ensure the contents' consistency between
    these two groups. If you post a article to the both groups, you 
    will see duplicate articles in a.c.t and a.c.t.b. 
      Generally, if your articles contain GB code, please post those articles~

    into alt.chinese.text; if your articles contain BIG5 code, please
    post them to alt.chinese.text.big5.


[6] Where can I find most of the software mentioned here ?

      If there is no special indication, almost all the software mentioned
    here can be got from the following sites :

	ifcss.org[129.107.1.155]:/software
        NCTUCCCA.edu.tw[140.111.3.21]:/Chinese
	ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw[140.113.17.166]:/pub/Chinese


[7] How can I view articles in alt.chinese.text.big5 from UNIX hosts ?

      If you are sure that your hosts can accept 8-bit data packet, then :

    a) In X-windows, "cxterm" is the best utility to emulate Chinese BIG5
       environment.
    b) In PC or Mac, you must run a 8-bit terminal emulator under a Chinese
       BIG5 system.


[8] What should I prepare if I want to input Chinese BIG5 code under UNIX 
    environment ?

      In BSD-like system, you must set : "stty pass8"
      In SYSV-like system, you must set : "stty -istrip -cs8"

      If the utilities you are using have utilized the "setlocale" function,
    you can set the following environment variable :

      In SunOS and Solaris      : "setenv LC_CTYPE iso_8859_1"
      In IBM AIX 3.2.X[3.1.X ?] : set your language environment to those whic~
h
			 	  use 8-bit char set (such as ISO8859-?). You 
				  also can change your environment variable
				  "LANG" to an appropriate one. (such as
				  "En_US").
      SGI IRIX 4.X 		: "setenv LC_CTYPE english.iso88591"
      HP-UX 			: "setenv LC_CTYPE english.iso88591"
				  or "setenv LC_CTYPE american.iso88591"
				  or "setenv LC_CTYPE chinese-t.big5"
      Others			: Try to "man setlocale" for details or
				  ask the vendors how to re-define the
				  international language environment.


[9] How can I make "cxterm" work in my system ?

      Cxterm is a good terminal emulator for BIG 5 environment. If your
    cxterm has problems, please reference the following procedures step
    by step.

    a) Get the source of cxterm. You can get it from

	cs.purdue.edu:/pub/ygz
	ifcss.org:/software/unix/X-Window
	ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw:/pub/Chinese/x-win

         Remember that cxterm-11.4.X.tar.Z is for X11 R4 base system, whereas~

       cxterm-11.5.X.tar.Z is for X11 R5 base system. So before you want to
       install cxterm, you must confirm that whether your X is R4 or R5.
       (eg. Openwin 3.0 is R4 base).

    b) look at subdirectory "cxterm-platforms" under the above ftp site
       . There are some patches for different OSs. ( Solaris's patch is only
       available in ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw).

    c) Compile and install cxterm.

    d) Retrieve BIG 5 fonts and Chinese input dictionaries. You can
       also get some existed examples from (a)'s ftp sites. But if you
       prefer ETen Chinese system (a popular PC Chinese system in Taiwan),
       there are many good stuff in ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw:/pub/Chinese/x-win.

    e) Decide which directory you want to put all Chinese input dictionaries.~

       Convert .tit files to .cit files.

    f) Convert all .bdf fonts' file to which your system accept.( please try
       to look up man page of "bdftosnf", "bdftopcf", "convertfont" .....
       etc.)
	 Generally, X11R5 needs ".pcf" files, X11R4 needs ".snf" files, 
       X11/NeWS (Openwin) needs ".fb" or ".fm" files. And some systems
       need these font files to be compressed.


    g) Decide which directory you want to put all Chinese fonts. In that
       directory, you should run "mkfontdir <dir_path>". And in your
       .xinitrc, you should add "xset +fp <chinese_font_path>". To ensure
       your Chinese fonts can be searched, you may run "xlsfonts".

    h) In your resource file of xterm (eg. ~~/XTerm), add the following lines~
 :
       ------------------------------------
	cxterm*HanziEncoding:   BIG5
	cxterm*hanziInputDir:	<Dir where the chinese dictionaries exist>
	cxterm*HanziFont:	<Default chinese font's name>
	cxterm*Font:		<Default english font's name>
      -----------------------------------------------------------------------~
-
       Remember you also can override the above settings by giving command
       line options of cxterm.

     i) If you want to input Chinese chars, you may need to set up 
	different key-binding for different input methods in your
	resource file of xterm. Please refer to man page of "cxterm" for 
	detail. the following is an example :
----------------------------------------------
cxterm*VT100.Translations:      #override  		\       
	<KeyPress> F1:  switch-HZ-mode(ASCII)           \n\
        <KeyPress> F2:  switch-HZ-mode(IC)              \n\
  Shift <KeyPress> F3:  switch-HZ-mode(TONEPY)          \n\
 ~~Shift <KeyPress> F3:  switch-HZ-mode(PY-b5)           \n\
  Shift <KeyPress> F4:  switch-HZ-mode(PY)              \n\
-------------------------------------------------------------------

     j) In X-windows environment, run "cxterm".

	
[10] How can I remotely display cxterm in my local X host if I don't have
     cxterm installed in my local host ?

       First of all, you must confirm the cxterm resides in remote machine
     can work well.
       Second, you must have X-server running in your local machine.
       Third, reference (d),(f),(g) of question [9]. Setup all fonts needed
     in your local machine. Remember you must ensure that the fonts you want
     to use can be searched by your X-server ( local machine).
       And the last, open your local X access control, and run
		"cxterm -d <local_hostname>:0"

     Hope you can use the cxterm now....
       

[11] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 chars in PC ?

       Of course you must run Chinese system in advance. There are many 
     popular commercial products for PC, such as ETen, HAN, KC, C-Windows
     ...etc. All this software can be bought from Taiwan and Hong Kong. 
     By the way, KC system is distributed freely among TANet (Taiwan
     Academic Network), everyone in Taiwan can get a copy from
     moers2.edu.tw:/chinese-pub/chinese-sys/kc.


[12] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 chars via modem connection in PC?

       First of all, you must confirm that your terminal emulater and
     modem are set up 8-bit clean. Load BIG5 Chinese system in PC.
       Most of the problems why you can't read/write Chinese BIG5 chars
     through modem connection are due to your host system configuration. 
     In Taiwan, our terminal servers with tty service from tel lines 
     are set to 8-bits manually. But as we known, the setup in UNIX by 
     defaults is to pass 7-bits. So, if you have already BIG5 Chinese 
     system installed, but can't view BIG5 code, you must negotiate with
     your system admin to persuade them to set 8-bits in the tty line. 
     ( /etc/gettytab, and /etc/ttytab for SUN-OS)
     
       
[13] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 chars via NCSA Telnet utility in PC?

      Load BIG5 Chinese system in PC.
      You must use 8-bits clean telnet. Try to get it from :

        NCTUCCCA.edu.tw:/Chinese/DOS/NCTU-Telnet
        ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw:/pub/msdos/NCSA
        moers2.ecu.tw:/chinese-pub/ncsa/{ncu,nctu,itri,iii}.

   Or use "cutcp" (another NCSA ), in which only rlogin is 8-bits clean.
   The NCTU's version is highly recommended because it contains many enhanced~

   functions besides the 8-bit clean. The source code of NCTU's version is
   also available in above FTP sites for reseachers.


[14] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 chars via NCSA Telnet
     utility in Macintosh?

       Please get a modified 8-bit binary code from

     imftp.mgt.ncu.edu.tw[140.115.83.90]:/pub/chinese/Telnet2.5c.sea.bin
     ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw:/pub/Chinese/Mac


[15] How can I utilize ChiRK to read BIG5 Chinese text ?

       ChiRK stands for "CHInese Reader on teKtronics compatible graphics
     terminals". Now ChiRK 1.2a has been tested and works without any ( yet)
     problem on following terminals: Tektronics 4010/4014; GraphOn 225, 230,
     140; DEC VT240, VT330/340; XTerm; Tektool on SunView; EM4105 on IBM-PC;
     VersaTerm-Pro on Macintosh, etc. And it should work on any other type of~

     Tek compatible terminal with few, if any, lines of the codes changed. Fo~
r
     BIG5 characters, there is only one bitmap available (chinese.16). 

       ChiRK is available from ifcss.org:/software/unix/viewer/ChiRK-*.tar.Z,~

     please refer to its installation guild for detail.


[16] Why can't I read Chinese BIG5 mail in "elm"?

       Please reference Question [8] at first.
       And then please check your elm's configuration in installation. If
     you compile in "mime" option, the "character set" should be "ISO-8859-1"~
,
     and the "Content-Transfer-Encoding" should be 8-bit. [Note] These option~
s
     must be configured well before installation.


[17] Why can't I send out Chinese BIG5 mail ?

       Please check Question [4] to see if you meet the requirement. Then 
     you must ensure that your mailer won't strip out the 8th bit. If your
     host has a mailing relay host, you also must ensure that your relay
     host accept 8-bit mail and won't strip out 8th bit.

       If you finally find out you cannot send 8-bit mail, you may want to
     try "uuencode/uudecode" mail. Please "man uuencode" and "man uudecode".


[18] Is it possible to mail my article to alt.chinese.text.big5 ?

       Yes. you can mail your articles to 
     		alt.chinese.text.big5@usenet.csie.nctu.edu.tw.
     But you must confirm that you can send out 8-bit mail in advance.
     Please refer to [16].
       

[19] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 code under GNU Emacs 19.XX ?

   1. In your ~~/.emacs, including :

      (set-input-mode (car (current-input-mode))
		      (nth 1 (current-input-mode))
		      0)
      
      Then your emacs will recognize 8-bit input.

   2. To let emacs display 8-bit characters, type the following command
      in emacs :

      M-x standard-display-european


[20] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 code under vi ?

       Originally vi can accept 8-bit characters. If you want to use 
     original vi to write Chinese BIG5 chars, you'd better refer to [18] 
     to set proper LC_CTYPE environment variable. But you may have trouble
     with BIG5 2-byte codes. "celvis" is a modified version and a good
     substitute for Chinese BIG5 environment.


[21] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 code under joe editor ?

       joe is a popular WordStar-like editor in UNIX. You can get it from
     ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw:/pub/Chinese/unix/joe. 
       To enable joe can accept 8-bit chars, you must include "-asis" option
     in your ".joerc" file.


[22] Where can I get the "talk", "screen", ... etc. which support Chinese
     BIG5 characters ?

       There are some modified sources which you can find under
     ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw:/pub/Chinese/unix.


[23] Which gopher servers can I get Chinese BIG5 stuff from ?

       telnet gopher.csie.nctu.edu.tw 4270
     or
       telnet gopher.ccu.edu.tw
       telnet cc.nsysu.edu.tw	,  with login name : "gopher".
     
     or you can use gopher client utility to connect the above servers 
     directly. eg. "gopher gopher.csie.nctu.edu.tw"


[24] Why can't my gopher client display Chinese BIG5 directories ?

       If you are in BSD system, you must re-compile your gopher client
     program with SYSV curses library. For example, in SunOS, use :

       CC=/usr/5bin/cc
       CFLAGS=-I/usr/5include
       LDFLAGS=-L/usr/5lib -lcurses -ltermcap

     And remember change your PAGER to "cless", "more", or "pg", which won't
     strip out 8th bit.


[25] How can I write Chinese BIG5 code in IRC (Internet Relay Chat) 
   environment ?

     You can get the lastest version of IRC client from
		nic.funet.fi:/pub/unix/irc/ircII
   and put the following line in ~~/.ircrc
   		/set translation LATIN_1
   If you want to set system's default to 8-bit, you must include the above
   setting in $IRCII_LIBRARY/script/local.


[26] Is the MUD support Chinese BIG5 code ?

   * What is a MUD?

  A MUD (Multiple User Dimension, Multiple User Dungeon, or Multiple User
  Dialogue) is a computer program which users can log into and explore.
  Each user takes control of a computerized persona/avatar/incarnation/
  character.  You can walk around, chat with other characters, explore
  dangerous monster-infested areas, solve puzzles, and even create your
  very own rooms, descriptions and items.  You can also get lost or confused
  if you jump right in, so be sure to read MUD's document before starting.

   * What is a Chinese(BIG5) MUD?

    There are two definitions, they are:

        (1) a MUD which can receive Chinese(BIG5) messages and send 
	    Chinese(BIG5) messages.
        (2) Including (1), a Chinese(BIG5) MUD which enable Chinese(BIG5)
	    interface which you can find every message becomes Chinese(BIG5)
	    from English.

   * How to use a Chinese(BIG5) MUD?

    A Chinese(BIG5) MUD is the same as an English MUD, the difference is a
    Chinese(BIG5) MUD can receive and show Chinese(BIG5) characters just
    like Chinese(BIG5) talk.

    If you telnet from a workstation with UNIX system, and under a Chinese
    (BIG5) system. You can type Chinese BIG5 code and see Chinese BIG5 
    characters directly for you are under [stty pass8].

    If you telnet from PC, first, you must make sure your telnet software
    can transmit 8-bit characters. Second, your telnet must be under a 
    Chinese(BIG5) Environment. 

    If you telnet from UNIX on workstation, and you telnet to workstation
    by a PC, then you have to use 8-bit telnet software on PC under 
    Chinese(BIG5) Environment, and set stty pass8 in your account on
    workstation.
    
   * Where are Chinese(BIG5) MUDs?

    The following are available sites of definition (1) of Chinese(BIG5)
    MUD  :

    (a) telnet 140.113.17.168 4040 ( ccsun44.csie.nctu.edu.tw 4000 )
        Merc DikuMud 2.0
    (b) telnet 140.113.17.168 4000 ( ccsun44.csie.nctu.edu.tw 4040 )
        Reamls of Wind I
    (c) telnet 140.113.17.168 1234 ( ccsun44.csie.nctu.edu.tw 4040 )
        Reamls of Wind II
    (d) telnet 140.117.11.33 4000  ( irc.nsysu.edu.tw 4000)
	Merc DikuMud 1.0

    If you have problems of (a), (b) or (c) site, please e-mail to 
		mud_adm@ccsun44.csie.nctu.edu.tw
    If you have problems with (d) site, please e-mail to
		aries@news.nsysu.edu.tw


[27] How can I read alt.chinese.text.big5 offline ? Is there ftp site 
     which archives the articles in alt.chinese.text.big5 ?

    If your usenet sites haven't carried alt.chinese.text.big5
  or  your server can't be 8-bits clean, you can try to read
  them off-line via anonymous FTP service.

  Try anonymous ftp to
      ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw:/pub/Chinese/chinese-text/big5. 

  All files are in mail folder digest form. You can read them by many ways:
  
  1). by mail reader
        for example, 
   	  uncompress Sep-1.Z   
          elm -f Sep-1  
	or
          mail -f Sep-1

  2). Convert them to QWK format and read them by any QWK readers in
      your PC. To convert to QWK format, you can get uqwk and some 
      qwk readers in ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw:/pub/unix/uqwk.

  If you can't ftp access to our ftp server, you can try BITFTP 
  or ftp-mail. 

            FTPMAIL

            FTPMAIL is a mail server available to anyone  who  can  send
            and  receive  electronic  mail  to  and from Internet sites.
            This includes most workstations that have an e-mail  connec-
            tion to the outside world, and CompuServe users.  You do not
            need to be directly on the Internet. Here's how to do it.
            You send mail to  ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com.   In  the  message
            body,  give  the  name of the anonymous FTP host and the FTP
            commands you want to run.  The server will run anonymous FTP
            for  you  and mail the files back to you.  To get a complete
            help file, send a message with no  subject  and  the  single
            word  "help"  in the body.  The following is an example mail
            session that should get you a listing of the  files  in  the
            selected directory and the file Sep-1.Z.  The listing is
            useful in case there are other files you may  be  interested
            in.
                 % mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
                 Subject:
                 reply alan@ora.com    (where you want files mailed)
                 connect ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw
                 cd /pub/Chinese/chinese-text/big5
                 dir
                 binary
                 uuencode              (or btoa if you have it)
                 get Sep-1.Z
                 quit
                 %
            A signature at the end of the message is acceptable as  long
            as it appears after "quit."
            All retrieved files will  be  split  into  60KB  chunks  and
            mailed  to  you.   You then remove the mail headers and con-
            catenate them into one file, and then uudecode or  atob  it.
            Once  you've got the desired distribution, extract the files
            from it by following the directions under FTP.


            BITFTP

            BITFTP is a mail server for BITNET users.  You send it elec-
            tronic mail messages requesting files, and it sends you back
            the files by electronic mail.  BITFTP currently serves  only
            users  who send it mail from nodes that are directly on BIT-
            NET, EARN, or NetNorth.   BITFTP  is  a  public  service  of
            Princeton University.  Here's how it works.
            To use BITFTP, send mail containing  your  FTP  commands  to
            BITFTP@PUCC.   For  a  complete  help file, send HELP as the
            message body.
            The following is the message body you should send to BITFTP:
                 FTP  ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw NETDATA
                 USER  anonymous
                 PASS your Internet e-mail address (not your bitnet address)
                 CD  /pub/Chinese/chinese-text/big5
                 DIR
                 BINARY
                 GET  Sep-1.Z
                 QUIT
            Once you've got the desired distribution, extract the  files
            from it by following the directions under FTP.
            Questions about BITFTP can be directed to MAINT@PUCC on BIT-
            NET.


[28] What should I notice if I use KERMIT to read BIG Chinese
     word in my PC ?

       The following is the way to use Chinese system with Kermit 3.13:

     1. Add "DEVICE=C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS" in your "config.sys".
     2. Add the following commands in your "mscustom.ini":

          set port 2      ; modify when needed
          set term none
          set term character-set trans
          set term display 8
          set term control 8
          set parity none.


[29] Where are the Internet BBS servers in Taiwan ?

     BBS server's address               login name      status
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
bbs.csie.nctu.edu.tw (140.113.17.154)    bbs            24 hours
bbs.cis.nctu.edu.tw (140.113.23.31)	 bbs		24 hours
alab01.ee.nctu.edu.tw (140.113.218.1)    bbs            Up only on weekend
whitman.csie.nctu.edu.tw(140.113.214.68) bbs		24 hours
cc.nsysu.edu.tw (140.117.11.1)           bbs            24 hours
ba.mgt.ncu.edu.tw (140.115.83.210)	 bbs		24 hours
ew.ee.ntu.edu.tw (140.112.18.30)	 bbs		24 hours
worksun12.ttit.edu.tw (140.129.25.213)	 bbs		24 hours
bbs.ntu.edu.tw (140.112.8.19)		 bbs		24 hours
etc3.et.ntit.edu.tw (140.118.2.65)	 bbs		24 hours
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
   
   You also can "telnet bbs.csie.nctu.edu.tw 1234" to use CSIE, NCTU's BBS.

 Now 	bbs.csie.nctu.edu.tw
	bbs.cis.nctu.edu.tw
	ew.ee.ntu.edu.tw
	worksun12.ttit.edu.tw
				are exchanging BBS messages to one another.
				In other words, if you write a message in
				bbs.csie.nctu.edu.tw, you also can see it in
				ew.ee.ntu.edu.tw, ans others.


[30] I know there are many good stuffs in BBS. Can I read these good articles~

     by newsreader (NNTP) rather than register in BBS ?
				
	Yes. But now this facility is only supported in news server
    news.csie.nctu.edu.tw. You can first set your NNTP news server to
    news.csie.nctu.edu.tw, and then read news groups : csie.bbs.*


[31] Where can I buy Chinese BIG5 commercial products outsides Taiwan ?

       The following is a list of dealers from which you can purchase some
     popular Chinese BIG5 products outsides Taiwan. Thanks ETen Information
     System CO. LTD. for supporting this list.

        West Amercia

                CHASE Computer Co.
                210 E. Main St.
                Alhambra, CA 91801
                U.S.A
                Tel: 818-300-8666
                Fax: 818-300-8693

                Advanced Hi-Tech Corp.
                2221 Rosecrans Ave., #203
                El Segundo, CA 90245
                U.S.A.
                Tel: 213-643-7571
                Fax: 213-643-7572

        East Amercia

                ABEST Internatonal Inc.
                83-09 Northern Blvd.
                Jackson Heights
                NY 11372
                U.S.A.
                Tel: 718-507-8485/0411
                Fax: 718-507-7795

        Canada (Toronto)

                MIT Computer Supplies Co., Ltd.
                40 Shields Court, Unit 1 & 2
                Markham Ontario
                L3R OM5
                Canada
                Tel: 416-946-0908
                Fax: 416-946-8749

        Hong Kong

                Universal Electronics Trading Co.
                15/F., Sincere Insurance Bldg.,
                6 Hennessy Rd. Wanchai
                Hong Kong
                Tel: 529-4433
                Fax: 529-2308

        Singapore

                ETen Information System (S) Pte. Ltd.
                2, Soon Wing Road, #04-01/02,
                Soon Wing Industrial Building
                Singapore 1334
                Tel: 741-0155
                Fax: 741-4732

        Malaysia

                ETen Information Consultant Service Centre
                56-B, 2nd Flr.
                Jalan Sultan Ismail,
                50250 Kuala Lumpur
                Malaysia
                Tel: 3-242-4236
                Fax: 3-241-1557

        Korea

                KANAM Electronics Co., Ltd.
                4th Floor Samboo Building
                48-14, Shinwol 3-Dong,
                Yangchon-ku, seoul 158-095
                Korea
                Tel: 2-604-9138
                Fax: 2-690-3258


==== The End ================================================================~
=

Computer Center
Department of Computer Science and Information Engineering
National Chiao Tung University
HsinChu, Taiwan, 300


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*** big5-faq.sep	Tue Sep 21 21:08:54 1993
--- big5-faq	Mon Nov 22 10:36:33 1993
***************
*** 1,16 ****
  Subject: Chinese BIG5 environment: FAQ of alt.chinese.text.big5
  Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text.big5,alt.answers,news.answers
  Organization: Dep. Computer Sci. & Eng., Chiao Tung U., Taiwan, ROC
  Followup-To: alt.chinese.text.big5
  Reply-To: chinese-faq@csie.nctu.edu.tw
! Expires: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 00:00:01 GMT
  Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.Edu
  Keywords: chinese, big5, faq
  
  
  Archive-name: chinese-text/big5-faq
! Last-modified: Septemper 21, 1993
! Version: 2.0
  
    This article contains the answers to some Frequently Asked Questions
  often seen in alt.chinese.text.big5. It also contains some FAQ mailed
--- 1,16 ----
  Subject: Chinese BIG5 environment: FAQ of alt.chinese.text.big5
  Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text.big5,alt.answers,news.answers
  Organization: Dep. Computer Sci. & Eng., Chiao Tung U., Taiwan, ROC
  Followup-To: alt.chinese.text.big5
  Reply-To: chinese-faq@csie.nctu.edu.tw
! Expires: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 00:00:01 GMT
  Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.Edu
  Keywords: chinese, big5, faq
  
  
  Archive-name: chinese-text/big5-faq
! Last-modified: November 22, 1993
! Version: 2.5
  
    This article contains the answers to some Frequently Asked Questions
  often seen in alt.chinese.text.big5. It also contains some FAQ mailed
***************
*** 69,81 ****
         [29] Where are the Internet BBS servers in Taiwan ?
         [30] I know there are many good stuffs in BBS. Can I read these good~
 
  	    articles by newsreader (NNTP) rather than register in BBS ?
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  [0] How many people read a.c.t and a.c.t.b ?
  
        The following is the set of data from USENET readership report which
      comes from the Network Measurement Project at the DEC Network Systems
!     Laboratory in Palo Alto, California for Aug 1993.
  
          +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.~

          |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
--- 69,83 ----
         [29] Where are the Internet BBS servers in Taiwan ?
         [30] I know there are many good stuffs in BBS. Can I read these good~
 
  	    articles by newsreader (NNTP) rather than register in BBS ?
+        [31] Where can I buy Chinese BIG5 commercial products outsides
+             Taiwan ?
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  [0] How many people read a.c.t and a.c.t.b ?
  
        The following is the set of data from USENET readership report which
      comes from the Network Measurement Project at the DEC Network Systems
!     Laboratory in Palo Alto, California for Oct 1993.
  
          +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.~

          |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
***************
*** 87,106 ****
          |     |     |      |      |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrd~
ers
          |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |   who read this grou~
p.
          V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V
!    1 290000  4651   90%     1    13.8   100%  0.00  11.6%  news.announce.ne~
wusers
!    2 210000  3345   88%     5   138.5    80%  0.00   8.3%  news.answers
  ............
!   62  83000  1352   73%  3395  7685.7    41%  0.11   3.4%  soc.culture.chin~
a
  ............
!  153  61000   990   71%  1307  2452.6     8%  0.05   2.5%  soc.culture.hong~
kong
  ............
!  262  49000   801   71%   769  1686.2    25%  0.04   2.0%  soc.culture.taiw~
an
  ............
!  509  36000   584   55%  3491  6640.5     1%  0.16   1.5%  alt.chinese.text~

  ............
! 1075  20000   332   53%   516   986.4     7%  0.04   0.8%  soc.culture.sing~
apore
  ............
! 1331  16000   258   43%  3561  6832.5     0%  0.30   0.6%  alt.chinese.text~
.big5
  
  
  [1] Where can I find the latest version of this FAQ ?
--- 89,108 ----
          |     |     |      |      |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrd~
ers
          |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |   who read this grou~
p.
          V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V
!    1 470000  6439   90%    17   163.1   100%  0.00  12.6%  news.announce.ne~
wusers 
!    2 300000  4136   56%   842 11829.9     3%  0.04   8.1%  alt.sex.stories
  ............
!   71 110000  1474   73%  2663  5797.6    36%  0.06   2.9%  soc.culture.chin~
a
  ............
!  144  88000  1200   72%  2901  4864.9     8%  0.06   2.3%  soc.culture.hong~
kong 
  ............
!  290  66000   898   72%   572  1191.2    20%  0.02   1.8%  soc.culture.taiw~
an
  ............
!  431  56000   770   55%  3660  6800.2     0%  0.11   1.5%  alt.chinese.text~

  ............
!  999  35000   472   55%   541   980.1     2%  0.02   0.9%  soc.culture.sing~
apore
  ............
! 1106  32000   434   45%  3665  6693.6     0%  0.15   0.8%  alt.chinese.text~
.big5 
  
  
  [1] Where can I find the latest version of this FAQ ?
***************
*** 177,183 ****
      here can be got from the following sites :
  
  	ifcss.org[129.107.1.155]:/software
! 	nctuccca.edu.tw[140.111.3.21]:/Chinese
  	ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw[140.113.17.166]:/pub/Chinese
  
  
--- 179,185 ----
      here can be got from the following sites :
  
  	ifcss.org[129.107.1.155]:/software
!         NCTUCCCA.edu.tw[140.111.3.21]:/Chinese
  	ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw[140.113.17.166]:/pub/Chinese
  
  
***************
*** 305,312 ****
         Of course you must run Chinese system in advance. There are many 
       popular commercial products for PC, such as ETen, HAN, KC, C-Windows
       ...etc. All this software can be bought from Taiwan and Hong Kong. 
!      By the way, KC system is distributed freely among TANET (Taiwan 
!      Academy NETwork), everyone in Taiwan can get a copy from 
       moers2.edu.tw:/chinese-pub/chinese-sys/kc.
  
  
--- 307,314 ----
         Of course you must run Chinese system in advance. There are many 
       popular commercial products for PC, such as ETen, HAN, KC, C-Windows
       ...etc. All this software can be bought from Taiwan and Hong Kong. 
!      By the way, KC system is distributed freely among TANet (Taiwan
!      Academic Network), everyone in Taiwan can get a copy from
       moers2.edu.tw:/chinese-pub/chinese-sys/kc.
  
  
***************
*** 327,338 ****
  [13] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 chars via NCSA Telnet utility in PC?~

  
        Load BIG5 Chinese system in PC.
!       You must use 8-bits clean telnet. Try to get it from  
!    moers2.ecu.tw:/chinese-pub/ncsa/{ncu,nctu,itri,iii}. 
!    (nctuccca.edu.tw is a mirror site of moers2.edu.tw). Or use "cutcp"
!    (another NCSA ), in which only rlogin is 8-bits clean. If you want to
!    get the lastest version of NCTU's 8-bit telnet, please get it from
!    ftp,csie.nctu.edu.tw:/pub/msdos/NCSA.
  
  
  [14] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 chars via NCSA Telnet
--- 329,344 ----
  [13] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 chars via NCSA Telnet utility in PC?~

  
        Load BIG5 Chinese system in PC.
!       You must use 8-bits clean telnet. Try to get it from :
! 
!         NCTUCCCA.edu.tw:/Chinese/DOS/NCTU-Telnet
!         ftp.csie.nctu.edu.tw:/pub/msdos/NCSA
!         moers2.ecu.tw:/chinese-pub/ncsa/{ncu,nctu,itri,iii}.
! 
!    Or use "cutcp" (another NCSA ), in which only rlogin is 8-bits clean.
!    The NCTU's version is highly recommended because it contains many enhanc~
ed
!    functions besides the 8-bit clean. The source code of NCTU's version is
!    also available in above FTP sites for reseachers.
  
  
  [14] How can I read/write Chinese BIG5 chars via NCSA Telnet
***************
*** 363,369 ****
         Please reference Question [8] at first.
         And then please check your elm's configuration in installation. If
       you compile in "mime" option, the "character set" should be "ISO-8859-~
1",
!      and the "Content-Transfer-Encoding" should be 8-bit.
  
  
  [17] Why can't I send out Chinese BIG5 mail ?
--- 369,376 ----
         Please reference Question [8] at first.
         And then please check your elm's configuration in installation. If
       you compile in "mime" option, the "character set" should be "ISO-8859-~
1",
!      and the "Content-Transfer-Encoding" should be 8-bit. [Note] These opti~
ons
!      must be configured well before installation.
  
  
  [17] Why can't I send out Chinese BIG5 mail ?
***************
*** 661,666 ****
--- 668,753 ----
      news.csie.nctu.edu.tw. You can first set your NNTP news server to
      news.csie.nctu.edu.tw, and then read news groups : csie.bbs.*
  
+ 
+ [31] Where can I buy Chinese BIG5 commercial products outsides Taiwan ?
+ 
+        The following is a list of dealers from which you can purchase some
+      popular Chinese BIG5 products outsides Taiwan. Thanks ETen Information~

+      System CO. LTD. for supporting this list.
+ 
+         West Amercia
+ 
+                 CHASE Computer Co.
+                 210 E. Main St.
+                 Alhambra, CA 91801
+                 U.S.A
+                 Tel: 818-300-8666
+                 Fax: 818-300-8693
+ 
+                 Advanced Hi-Tech Corp.
+                 2221 Rosecrans Ave., #203
+                 El Segundo, CA 90245
+                 U.S.A.
+                 Tel: 213-643-7571
+                 Fax: 213-643-7572
+ 
+         East Amercia
+ 
+                 ABEST Internatonal Inc.
+                 83-09 Northern Blvd.
+                 Jackson Heights
+                 NY 11372
+                 U.S.A.
+                 Tel: 718-507-8485/0411
+                 Fax: 718-507-7795
+ 
+         Canada (Toronto)
+ 
+                 MIT Computer Supplies Co., Ltd.
+                 40 Shields Court, Unit 1 & 2
+                 Markham Ontario
+                 L3R OM5
+                 Canada
+                 Tel: 416-946-0908
+                 Fax: 416-946-8749
+ 
+         Hong Kong
+ 
+                 Universal Electronics Trading Co.
+                 15/F., Sincere Insurance Bldg.,
+                 6 Hennessy Rd. Wanchai
+                 Hong Kong
+                 Tel: 529-4433
+                 Fax: 529-2308
+ 
+         Singapore
+ 
+                 ETen Information System (S) Pte. Ltd.
+                 2, Soon Wing Road, #04-01/02,
+                 Soon Wing Industrial Building
+                 Singapore 1334
+                 Tel: 741-0155
+                 Fax: 741-4732
+ 
+         Malaysia
+ 
+                 ETen Information Consultant Service Centre
+                 56-B, 2nd Flr.
+                 Jalan Sultan Ismail,
+                 50250 Kuala Lumpur
+                 Malaysia
+                 Tel: 3-242-4236
+                 Fax: 3-241-1557
+ 
+         Korea
+ 
+                 KANAM Electronics Co., Ltd.
+                 4th Floor Samboo Building
+                 48-14, Shinwol 3-Dong,
+                 Yangchon-ku, seoul 158-095
+                 Korea
+                 Tel: 2-604-9138
+                 Fax: 2-690-3258
  
  
  ==== The End ==============================================================~
===


