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I have uploaded KAPIAN, the shareware Chinese character
flashcard program, to ahkcus.org:incoming.

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              xjzhu@violet.waterloo.edu, ygz@cs.purdue.edu,
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              yulin@ucs.indiana.edu, zhaoxin@convex.csd.uwm.edu
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A package of programs for MS-DOS systems that reads zW/HZ coded Chinese
text is now available.  It is currently available in the following
anonymous ftp sites (login ftp, password anything, binary mode):

  cs.purdue.edu:pub/ygz/zW-hz/zwdos.zip  (curtesy of Zhang Yongguang)

You will need the MS-DOS program "pkunzip.exe" for unpacking the
package. (pkunzip should be available in ahkcus.org:src/pc/pkz110eu.exe.)


Program features:

  *  Read Chinese e-mail and news effortlessly. After loading the
software, you can use any of your ms-dos programs for Chinese. Your
programs should run just exactly as it would under ms-dos, except
that Chinese texts are automatically displayed as Chinese
characters without your intervention.

  *  High degree of compatibility with ASCII-based programs.

  *  Reads both zW and HZ codes, simultaneously.

  *  Runs on CGA, EGA, VGA, and Hercules monochrome graphic systems.
(Doesn't look very good on CGA though.)

  *  Small memory consumption - it takes only 27KB of memory (50KB
on CGA). If you use DOS5 or QEMM, you can load it into high
memory area so that it doesn't take up any DOS memory.

  *  Inteligent Chinese (pinyin) input. Most of the times you just
type in the pinyin and the program chooses the right character
among the homophones for you.

  *  Personal non-profit use is free of charge.


  Ya-Gui Wei  ~{N:QG9p~}

From sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!utcsri!torn!cunews!s187318 Wed Jul  8 23:20:34 EDT 1992
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From: s187318@alfred.carleton.ca (Bing Wen ~{NB1y~})
Subject: Re: DBASE in ZWDOS?
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In <1992Jul6.090605.2252@nic.csu.net> wma@futon.SFSU.EDU writes:

>I posted this question yesterday, but I don't know why the title is left out.

>Question:: Does anyone know any database program working under ZWDOS?
>I have a CDBASE-3 working under CCDOS. It seems that database program cannot
>work under ZWDOS due to the different chinese coding.
>	-wm 
>zWBmN,U?

I am using a diary program which I wrote in Clipper 5. The other day I
accidentally pressed the CapsLock key while typing a name in pinying,
the screen jumped into Chinese mode and what I typed appeared in
equivalent Chinese characters. As an experiment, I saved the entry and
retrieved it without any problem. The screen output was just like what
we see reading this group: English and Chinese sitting together
peacefully :)

zWNB1y



From sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!rpi!bu.edu!dartvax!coos.dartmouth.edu!abs0 Sat Jul 11 13:57:17 EDT 1992
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
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Subject: Re: Info Needed: Chinese tutorial software
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yuechen@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (yueting chen) writes:

>One of my American friends is interested in learning chinese. He wants to know if there is any kind of Chinese Tutorial Software to help people to learn Chinese characters. If anyone knows relevant information about this question, please e-mail to me at yuechen@silver.ucs.indiana.edu. Your helps are greatly appreciated!

What kind of computer does your friends have?  If they have Macintoshes
and have access to a CD-ROM drive, there's one (CD-verison) package
which teaches users how to write and pronounce words in Chinese (Mandarin).  

I also know that there's another one for the Amiga.  Not sure about 
other computer formats.

>Yueting Chen

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


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Hello, I am a recent subscriber to the CCNET. I don't know if this information
has been posted yet or not, so I will post it anyway.

I found out recently that the Hiroshi Kuribayashi and a co-worker at Omron in
Japan have completed a Chinese conversion server using a dictionary from the
Peking KOUKU KOTEN University. This server is similar to Wnn which is the
Japanese conversion server. I understand that this group is also working on
input methods for X11 for Japanese, Chinese, and European languages.
I am also told that they will be showing their work at the XHIBITION in
San Jose, California in May.

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mleisher@nmsu.edu                      "I laughed.
Mark Leisher                                I cried.
Computing Research Lab                          I fell down.
New Mexico State University                        It changed my life."
Las Cruces, NM                     - Rich [Cowboy Feng's Space Bar and Grille]

From sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cica!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!xylogics!bu.edu!dartvax!eleazar.dartmouth.edu!tang Sat Aug 25 16:14:20 EDT 1990
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From: tang@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Charles W. T. Tang)
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Subject: Hanzi Assistant
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Dartmouth College has released a software product (using HyperCard)
named "Hanzi Assistant" a few months back.  Here's a basic description
of it.  If you have any question about this product, please write to:

          David.Bantz@dartmouth.edu     or
          Nancy.Davies@dartmouth.edu,   or ask for either of them at
          (603) 646-2712  [Humanities Computing, Dartmouth College]

-Charles

=======================================================================

Hanzi Assistant on CD ROM, a tool for learning Chinese, is a database
of the 2500 hanzi, or Chinese characters, which make up the Chinese
basic literacy set and which constitute the focus of the first two
years of instruction in the Chinese language.  It  has been developed
by Dartmouth faculty and staff and is distributed by Panda Software.
Each card contains a single character, represented in multiple ways:

*brush image.
    One area of the screen displays an image of the character written
    with traditional brush/pen by a calligrapher.
*pencil/ball point pen image.
    Another area of the screen displays a "pencil" version with strokes
    of uniform width like those of a pencil or ball point pen.
*animated character writing.
    The user can view a smooth animation of the writing of any
    character.  Hanzi Assistant actually animates the complete writing
    of the character in the pencil version instead of using the less
    satisfactory device of showing each stroke in order, which would
    not indicate correct direction or speed of the stroke.
*characters in two linked forms.
    Some characters exist in two forms, the traditional character and a
    simplified form introduced in the People's Republic of China.
    Graphic links enable users to toggle between these simplified and
    traditional forms.
*sounds.
    Hanzi Assistant includes digitized pronunciation by native
    speakers, with both male and female voices available for each
    character (Chinese is a tonal language, and Western students need
    to recognize the intonation).
*Pinyin.
    For each character, users may view or hide the pinyin, or  phonetic
    representation using Roman letters.  They may also choose to be
    prompted to type the pinyin as each new card appears, thus using
    the stack to "drill" on characters.
*English translation.
    The user may choose to show or hide the short translation or set of
    translations included for each character.

In all, the CD ROM includes more than 3500 cards representing the 2500
characters included in Hanzi Assistant.  In addition to the information
in multiple media about each of the characters, Hanzi Assistant CD ROM
provides:

  *tools to search for a character, given its pinyin,
  *on-line help files,
  *the option to create subsets - "lists" which restrict one's view to the
   subset of interest, and
  *the option to download stand-alone subsets which can be used
   independently of the complete Hanzi Assistant.

Complete interactive help is available directly from Hanzi Assistant.  A
detailed printed manual, including a complete list of the characters in
Hanzi Assistant, is also included.

This CD-ROM includes Mr. Wang and Ms. Li, software developed at
Dartmouth by Hua-Yuan Mowry and Ted Yao which illustrates language in
context in a lighthearted way, and the Dartmouth XCMD's, which provide
useful extensions to the functions of HyperCard.

The Hanzi Assistant CD ROM requires at least a Macintosh Plus,
preferably with a hard disk,  a CD ROM drive, and Hypercard 1.2.2
(preferred) or 1.2.1.  For some operations, performance is
significantly enhanced by running on a Mac II, IIx, IIcx, IIci or
SE/30.  The program was developed under Macintosh operating system
"System 6"; users should have this version of the system (i.e., System
file 6.0.2 or later and Finder file 6.1).

If you're interested in receiving an order form or information about the
one-disk or six-disk demonstration sets available, please write to Panda
Software, 101 Bartlett Hall, Hanover, NH  03755 USA.

=========================================================================
-- 
  **** Om Ma-Ni Be-Me Hung **** | "All the world's phenomena and ideas
  ==============================|  Are unreal, like a dream,
      Charles Wei-Ting Tang     |  Like magic, and like a reflected image."
    charles.tang@dartmouth.edu  |  -- The Diamond Sutra


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From: Jinfu Chen <chen%DIGITAL.SPS.MOT.COM@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Listing of Chinese Word Processors
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Someone suggested I should repost this to CCNET. I hope readers of
CCNET may find this helpful in search of Chinese word processors.

Path: digital!chen@digital.sps.mot.com
From: chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: List of Chinese word processing programs
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I found this in a local newspaper about foreigh language software. The list
may be partial but it has something I haven't seen before.

========================================================================
Excerp from article by Bob Schwabach, Univeral Press Syndicate (w/o
permission):

o	Brush Writer, from Cheng & Tsui, Boston, comes in Chinese, Japanese and
several other Asign languages as well as European ones. Versions are
available for both IBM and Macintosh, $600 to $750; (617)426-6074.

o	Linguist Software, in Edmonds, Wash., has MacChinese, MacKanji,MacKorean,
MacHindi and LaserThai, all less than $100. It has word processors in 200
languages; (206)775-1130.

o	The Duke Chinese Typist, from Duke University's Asian Studies Institute
in Durham, N.C., handles Mandarin Chinese on an IBM and is only $25;
(919)684-2604.

o	TianMa, from Asian Communications in Montreal, is expensive, $695, but it
handles Mandarin Chinese and Japanese so well that many consider it the best
available for these languages. It's for the IBM; (514)434-9373.

o	ChineseStar, from JHL in Anaheim, Calif., is $895 for the IBM and handles
Chinese and Japanese. It has 40,000 Chinese characters; (714)939-9898.

o	ZLZ Chinese, from Intex Software in Stamford, Conn., is $195 for the IBM
and allows you to mix Chinese and English on the same page; (203)975-7412.

o	China Books & Periodicals, in San Francisco, has a free catalog of Asian
language word-processing software and books; (415)282-2994.

From sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cica!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!DAYTON.BITNET!LUMINZZZ Mon Jan 26 23:43:24 EST 1987
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Subject: Chinese character set and Ada
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I am working on my graduation software engineering project --
a simplified Chinese computer language compiler.  This compiler will porcess
source code which involves both Chinese character and the standard ASCII
character set.  I am going to write it in Ada, and I am having some problems
with input and output routines for the mixed character set since Chinese use
16 bits and ASCII use 8 bit.  An article that appeared on Ada Letter,
March/April 1990, has helped me a lot.  However, I still have a lot problems.
   As I understand, BISE (Beijing Institute of Systems Engineering) has been
working on mixed character set application softwares with Ada.  What compiler
do they use?  Is that compiler written also in Ada, or in that special
compiler language Chinese design a few years ago.  I use Janus Ada and VAXada,
but they use standard Ada character input and output routines.  So, they cannot
pick up 16 bits unless we define another new character type with the ASCII as
a subset, yet I have problem in instantiating the existing package.  I don't
know how to solve this problem.
   Also, the memory requirement seems to bother me.   I am doing my working
on NCR PC 386 machines with my CC-DOS version 4.0.  Howver, once I boot up
the system and load 2nd degree character deposit, the Janus Ada would not run
because the system by now does not have enough memory to run Janus.  Do I have
to go to machines with greater memory, or there is an easier way?
   I will appreciate if someone can give me some advice on the above
and some other issues.
   I am at the University of Dayton, and my bitnet address is:
              luminzzz@dayton.bitnet

Thank you very much, Xiexie!


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The Institute, the IEEE newspaper, reports in its October issue:

> VERSATILE CHINESE LANGUAGE SOFTWARE PACKAGE. Bipolar Culture and
> Technology, a company in Shenzhen Science and Industry Park, Shenzhen,
> China, has developed Collected Treasures, a software package that offers
> word processing, graphics, database, spreadsheet, windows, and typesetting
> in Chinese on only two floppy disks.  In contrast, other packages -- in
> any language -- may require up to two dozen disks.  The sponsor of the
> project, an entrepreneur from Taiwan, reportedly spent only Renminbi
> 800 000 (US $170 000) on 15 programmers who used assembly language to
> develop the package.

[It sounds too good to be true.  Is there anyone who knows more about this
package/project?  TF.]

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The following message was posted to Hua Xia Wen Zhai list two days
ago.  I repost it here for those of you who are not in HXWZ list.
Thanks.    --- Rupert Zhu

------------------------------------------------------------------

                Text Format And Utility Programs
                ================================

      As you may have noticed, CND Chinese Magazine (Hua Xia When Zhai)
has experimented two different text formats in the first three issues.

      In issue #1 and #2, each paragraph is actually a very long line.
(The <return> key is pressed only at end of each paragraph.)  This format
performed quite well on PC.  On PC screen, each over-long line (a paragraph)
breaks into several lines nicely and naturally.  However, some users of X
Window system suffered from this "no hard return" format, because some
existing softwares for X Window cannot handle an over-long line properly.

      In issue #3, we experimented the "hard return" format, that is, press
<return> key at end of each line.  In this case, a paragraph consists of
several real lines, instead of one over-long line.  This format saved users
of X Window, but annoyed many other users.  One problem is that different
Chinese viewers have different width of text display.  While some users feel
the text width is too narrow, other users may think it is too wide.  Another
problem is: Some popular printing programs (including BYX print command)
prefer the "no hard return" format.

      After consulting experts in CCNET-L (Chinese Computing Network) and
careful evaluation, we decide to adopt the "no hard return" format for
future CND-CM issues.  Meanwhile, we provide utility programs, so that users
can easily break each over-long line into lines of required length to fit
their own need.  The text width can be specified by users.

      The following are brief descriptions of two utility programs.

(1) Folding Program  (folding.c)
    This program adds a "hard return" (LF) after every  n  Chinese characters,
    where  n  is specified by user.  The default is  n = 36.  This program
    also strips off all <CR> code (ASCII 13) so that X Window users and PC
    users will both be happy.  (Those who prefer using a  CR/LF  pair as line
    separator, please see the next program.)
         To remove all <CR> code while leaving text format (line length)
    unchanged, just specify a very large text width ( such as n = 5000 ).
        |--------------------------------------------------------|
        | Usage 1:  folding [-wn] file_name       (Recommended)  |
        |    Option -wn: width = n Chinese characters.  Default  |
        |             n = 36.  (no space between w and number n) |
        |    Formatted text in file_name.gb0                     |
        | Usage 2:  folding  [-wn]  -s        (Not recommended)  |
        |    Flag -s:  input = stdin,  output = stdout           |
        | Example 1:  folding  CM9104A.GB                        |
        |     Formatted (folded) text in file CM9104A.gb0        |
        | Example 2:  folding  -w35  chinese                     |
        |     Formatted (folded) text in file chinese.gb0        |
        |--------------------------------------------------------|

(2) Adding <CR> Program  (addcr.c)
    This program replaces a UNIX style line separator (LF) by an MS-DOS
    style  (CR/LF)  pair.  It also reports the length of the longest line
    in input file.
        |---------------------------------------------------|
        | Usage 1:  addcr  file_name         (Recommended)  |
        |     Resulting text in file_name.gbm               |
        | Usage 2:  addcr  -s            (Not recommended)  |
        |     Flag -s:  input = stdin,  output = stdout     |
        | Example 1:  addcr  CM9104A.GB                     |
        |     Resulting text in file CM9104A.gbm            |
        | Example 2:  addcr -s  < input_file > output_file  |
        |---------------------------------------------------|


Who Need These Two Programs
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
PC Users:       Need neither of them (unless one wants to adjust text width);
X Window Users: Need folding program but not the adding <CR> program;
Mac Users:      Need both;
VT240 Users:    Need both.

      The C source code of these programs are available on request.
They can be compiled using any C compiler on any machine.

Prepared by: Rupert Zhu
           (For CND-CM)
April 24, 1991
==========================================================================

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In the list "zhongwen" Hartmut Bohn from Trier ask a few days ago,
where there exists or could be build up a database with information 
on Chinese software. Since I myself had thought about such a database 
it gave me a the kick to start it right now. Please comment on it, 
I would like to make it better and better.

Thanks to you all for your cooperation.





                  ************************************
                  * List of CJK-systems and programs *
                  ************************************


The following list contains some information on existing programs and
systems useful for CJK data processing. The structure and the items
already included is by no means final. Please comment on it. If you
consider it useful, I would like to update this list regulary. So be so
kind to send corrections and additions. 
 
The list comes in a format that makes it easy to incorporate the data
in a DBS system if need arises. In the present form it is also very 
easy to make changes to the structure. 

Of cours the administrator of these product informatins cannot be 
held responible for mistakes and omissions. This holds true especially
for prizes and addresses. 

The two character headers are defined in the following way:



TI Name or title of the program; notes on version
FA Company or individual person who developed the program or is the 
   owner of it
US The main usage of the program
SY System requirements
SC Screen requirements
DS Harddisk/disk requirements
PR Supported printers
FO Fonts that go with the system or program
CO Coding system (GB-2312, JIS, BIG-5 etc.)
IN CJK-Inputsystem
MO How much money it will cost. (The code "PR" is already used for 
   "printer"    ;-)
MA Information on manual
VE Vendor, addresses of local vendors if different from FA
NO Notes on the programs
LI Articles and other text where one can find information on the
   system or program
DA Date of the information or the last update of it
 
                          ********************

TI ET-System, vers. 2.00 (Feidie 4 hao), five 1.2 HD disks
FA ETEN
US Extension to DOS-operating system, allows use of standard Western
   software to handle Chinese (WS, dBASE etc.)
SY DOS
SC Hercules, EGA, VGA
DS Without the 24x24 printer fonts the system can be run on just
   one diskdrive
PR very wide variety of 24 and 9 needle printers
FO Standard 24x24; Kaishu, Lishu
CO BIG-5
IN Internal code (neima), BoPoMoFo, Telecode, Three corner (Sanjiao),
   Cangjie, Associativ-input extension
MO 100 US $
MA Well documented manual in Chinese;  
VE DruckWorks, D. Meyer/W. Kleinbach; Eisenbahnstrasse 120; D-7400 Tuebingen
NO A very common and popular system in Taiwan which - because of
   Western software compatibility - is also highly recommended for
   Western use.
LI 
DA 3.6.1991

TI TIANMA 2+
FA Asiacom, 2761 McColl Place, Victoria. B.C. Canada V8N 5Y8; 
   phone: (604)477-7829, fax: (604)477-5104 
US Hardware based wordprocessor for Chinese. One can switch between
   traditional and simplified characters, but within one document
   only one type of characters possible.
SY DOS
DS Harddisk for installation necessary
SC Hercules, CGA, EGA, Colour-EGA, VGA, Colour-VGA
PR HP LaserJet series, IBM Graphics Printer, Toshiba P300, Itoh M1570,
FO 24x24 (for screen display); 40x40, 64x64
CO Special TIANMA-code, with convert utility to GB 2312 and back
   (not yet fully working)
IN Pinyin and Bopomofo word input (very convenient for modern Chinese)
   with large word dictionary on the card, user dictionary on hard disk
MO DM 2000.-
MA English and Chinese manual
VE JiTong s.a.; Grand Rue 63; CH-1180 Rolle; Switzerland.
   Tel.: (0041)21-825 44 25
   H&P Computertechnik GmbH; Schierholzstrasse 59; D-Hannover 1.
   Tel.: (0049)511-6498411
NO Very useful for short texts and (business) letters, not enough
   formatting options for scientific text processing
LI Urs Widmer: TIANMA, ein chinesisches Textsystem - Testbericht, in:
   "Chinesisch und Computer", 3/1989, S. 124-127
DA 1990

TI CCDOS ver 4.0
FA
US Mainland China extension to DOS operating system. Only sinized
   programs can be run as CWordStar, CDBASE, and many others
SY DOS
DS Without the 24x24 printer fonts it can be run from disk drive.
   Software protected, can only be run with systemdisk in drive A:
SC CGA, HERC and EGA, adapts automatically
PR Standard dot matrix printers
FO 16x15, 24x24
CO GB-2312
IN Wubi, short pinyin, neima, Quwei
MO 
MA Different Chinese manuals available seperatly in China
VE 
NO 
LI
DA 1990

TI SINOTEXT
FA PC-Lab, Bremen University, D 2800 Bremen 33
US Chinese and Japanese wordprocessor
SY TOS (ATARI), MEGA 1, ST 1024
DS Possible on one or two disk drives; better performance with program
   on harddisk
SC ATARI black/white screen
PR NEC-P6, Starwriter, HP LaserJet
FO 16x15, 24x24
CO GB-2312, BIG-5, JIS
IN Pinyin word input, Quwei,
MO DM 250.- for standard version, extensions DM 50.- to 100.-
MA German manual included
VE as in FA
NO Not many text formatting facilities; For high quality output use
   some Chinese/Japanese TeX with SINOTEXT as input system. It's easy
   to build new dictionaries for pinyin input
LI
DA 3.6.1991

TI XingXing
FA Dr. X.-D. Wang; Mathematisches Institute der Universitaet Bonn;
   Beringstr. 1; D-5300 Bonn 1; Tel.: (0049)228-254591
US Chinese wordprocessor
SY DOS, AT, 386, min. 512 KByte RAM
DS
SC Hercules, EGA, VGA
PR 24 pin EPSON compatible; HP LaserJet
FO Songti, Kaiti, Fangsongti, Heiti, Fanti
CO GB-2312
IN Pinyin word input
MO
VE as in FA
NO
LI Wang Xiaodong: Das chinesische Textsystem XingXing 2.0, in:
   "Chinesisch und Computer", 5/1990, p 65
DA 1990

TI SPRING
FA Zhang Zhaoyuan/Li Zhizhi,Wuerzburg
US Chinese text system
SY DOS 3.3, 640kB main memory
DS needs harddisk, copy protected
SC VGA color monitor
PR HP LaserJet+ or 24needles printer
FO 1 16x16, 5 24x24, 2 32x32, 4 40x40,2 48x48,5 64x64
CO GB 2312; BIG-5 (planned)
IN Pinyin word input, Quwei
MO DM 2400.- (25% off for educational institutions); Very much
   reduced system: DM 500.- (300.- for students)
VE Dipl.-Ing. S.K. CChen, Katzenbachstr. 99, D-7000 Stuttgart 80;
   Tel.: (0049)711-735 2239; Fax: (0049)711-735 3144
NO WORD like formatting capabilities, WYSIWYG
LI Zhang Zhaoyuan, Li Zhizhi: SPRING (Zeichenquell) Textsystem fuer
   chinesische und westliche Spachen
DA 1990

TI LASER, DRUCK
FA DruckWorks, D. Meyer/W. Kleinbach; Eisenbahnstrasse 120; D-7400 Tuebingen
US Printing program for mixed Chinese-Western text formatted with
   WORD. LASER.EXE for Laserprinter, DRUCK.EXE for NEC P6 compatibles;
   In one document there can be use different GB-2312, BIG-5 or JIS coded
   fonts. 
SY DOS
DS Needs harddisk for fonts
SC HERC, VGA, EGA
PR HP LaserJet and HPPCL-compatible printers (LASER);
   NEC-P6 printer family (DRUCK)
FO Songti, Kaishu, Fangsongti, Fanti 24x24 (GB-2312 coding) included in 
   the program. Other fonts can be added as long as the bit coding is
   standard.
CO BIG-5, GB-2312, JIS
IN 
MO DM 200.- to 300.- (DUCK.EXE) DM 700.- to 900 (LASER.EXE) (special 
   conditions for bulk ordering)
MA Extensive documentation in German; also explaining 
VE as in FA
NO This is just a printing program. What Chinese and textprocessing system
   should be used, is up to the user
LI Dirk Meyer, Wolfgang Kleinbach: Druck-Ausgabe gemischtsprachiger Texte:
   Die Programme DRUCK.EXE und LASER.EXE, in: "Chinesisch und Computer",
   5/1990, S. 44-52
DA 4.6.1991

TI SHI-YONG-CCDOS
FA Hu Bo; Aubingerstr. 49, D-8000 Muenchen 60,
US Chinese extension to the Western operating system; Allows the use
   of Western software without modification as WORD (4.0, 5.0), WordStar
   (2.x, 3.x) WS2000 (2.x, 3.x), WordPerfect, Edlin, Edit, dBASE II, III+, IV
   MultiPlan, PCTOOLS, AFD, SideKick, Norton Commander, Turbo Pascal,
   Turbo Prolog, Microsoft C, Basic etc. 
SY DOS 2.11 and higher, 300 kB internal memory
DS Installation only on hard disk
SC Hercules, EGA, VGA
PR NEC P6, HP Laser, Postscript printer
FO 16x16, 24x24 (simplified and traditional)
CO GB-2312
IN Quwei, Jian-Zi-Shi-Ma, Pinyin, Shouwei, Shuangpin, Bixing, Cangjie,
   Dianbao, Pianpang, Yima, Wubi, YinYvn, Qianma, Cizu.
MO DM 220.-
MA German manual included
VE as in FA
NO Heavily copy protected, thus somtinmes hard to use.
LI Hu Bo: Das praktische Chinesisch-System, in: "Chinesisch und Computer",
   5/1990, p. 39-40
DA 1990

TI KanjiTalk
FA 
US Japanese extension for operating system. Standard Mac-software may
   be used with Japanese characters, MacWrite, Hypercard 2 etc
SY 
SC Standard Mac screen
DS 
PR Apple Laserwriter etc
FO 
CO JIS
IN 
MO 
MA Manual included
VE Apple Program Developer's Association (APDA), or any Japanese Mac
   software vendor
NO 
LI 
DA 1990

TI CHINVOK
FA Prof. Klaus Bayer; University of Hannover; FB Erziehungswissenschaften;
   Bismarckstr. 2; D-3000 Hannover 1 
US Chinese vocabulary trainer with a build in standard vocabulary
   which can be extended. 
SY Needs ET or KUOQIAO as Chinese system
SC as ET-system
DS The dictionary data need installation on hard disk
PR as ET-system 
FO as ET
CO BIG-5
IN -
MO DM 25.-
MA Short German manual included
VE as in FA
NO Vocabulary entries are presented to the user. If an entry is not
   remembered well, it will be presented again within a relativ short time.
LI Klaus Bayer: Lernen und Nachschlagen chinesischer Vokabeln mit der
   neuen Version 3.0 von CHINVOK, in: "Chinesisch und Computer", 6/1991)
DA 4.6.1991

TI CTeX
FA Tzao-Lin Lee; Associate Professor; Department of Computer Science and
   Information Engineering, National Taiwan University; Taipei 10764;
   Taiwan, R.O.C.; Fax: (00886)2-735-4849
US Chinese extension to standard Western DOS-TeX-systems (PC-TeX, emTeX
   etc.)
SY 640 kB RAM
SC Standard
DS Harddisk necessary for some 60 MB of fonts
PR HP LaserJet II and compatible
FO Kaishu, Lishu and Songti, each in 32x32, 48x48 and 64x64
CO BIG-5
MO US$ 2.000.-
MA Some Readme-files
VE as FA or Urs Widmer, PC-Lab, FB 3; University of Bremen; 
   D-2800 Bremen 33
NO The system is actually a preprocessor which actually extracts the 
   Chinese characters from a document and replaces them with the TeX-
   calls of the characters. The system generates automatically for each
   document TeX-managable fonts and TMF-files. 
LI 
DA 4.6.1991

TI JTeX
FA Yasuki Saito, R&D Info., Patent and Licencing Center; 
   3-9-11 Midori-cho; Musashino-shi; Tokyo; 180 Japan.
   phone: (0081)422-59-2294
US Japanese TeX version which is able to handle 1st and 2nd level of
   JIS-Kanji
SY UNIX, SUN
SC 
DS Harddisk necessary
PR PostScript printer
FO 24x24 characters, mechanical enlarged to 36x36, 48x48 and 72x72.
   This font is included in the package
   A set of better 300 DPI fonts available from Dai Nippon Printing 
   Co., Ltd. They include Mincho and Gothic fonts in the sizes from
   5pt up to 20pt.
CO JIS
IN No Japanese editor included
MO public domain; get in contact with Yasuki Saito. The fonts from 
   DAI NIPPON cost Japanese Yen 115.000.- (+ delivery charges for
   USA and Europe: 60.000.- to 75.000 Yen)
MA Some simple readme and demo files.
VE as FA
NO The system comes at tape. The files must be compiled with regard to
   the local environment. To install the system you need programming
   experience. In Bremen we are work on a version for ATARI which 
   is not yet ready. 
LI 
DA 1.8.1989

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PR 
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This is a software release announcement.


          lunar (version 2.0) - a calendar conversion utility

          lunar [ -h ] [ -b ] [ -i ] [ -l ] year month day [ hour ]

     DESCRIPTION
          The lunar program performs date conversion between the Gregorian
          Solar Calendar (SC) and the Chinese Lunar Calendar (LC).  Given a
          date in either calendar, the program also outputs the correspond-
          ing "shengxiao" (animal of the year) and "ganzhi" characters.
          Output may be displayed in English or Chinese.  The date range
          currently covered is from about 1900 A.D. to 2000 A.D.

Reported bugs in version 1.0 have been fixed.
Thanks to those who have reported the problems in version 1.0.
If you run "lunar 2.0" with "-h" option in a Chinese environment, such as
cxterm, you will see the output in hanzi.

The program "lunar 2.0" is now available on the ftp site "ahkcus.org".
The pertinent file is
ahkcus.org: src/unix/lunar-2.0.tar.Z

Enjoy!

Fung F. Lee and Ricky Yeung

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Hi, everyone,

GB2PCX now available with NJSTAR, It will convert Chinese GB file to PCX file
page by page, then It can be processed by other graphic software,
The FaxModem can also read it for FAX transmission.

Anyone who interested should contact me by E-mail

Hongbo NI.
---------------

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Another helpful reply to Carlos McEvilly's query.
        --Dorothy Day
----------------------------------------------------

Date:         Wed, 31 Jul 1991 15:39:44 EDT
From:         LUAKT@NUSDISCS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: seeking info. on Chinese computer systems

 Hi!

 In Singapore, we are using the following systems:

 1. LXPC Han-card - this card has 1MB on board and is compatible
 to most software, ie Wordstar, dBASE 3+, Lotus, C, Prolog etc.
 It also provides its own desktop typesetting software DTP.

 2. Synetone System - this is a software system. But it also
 provides a Han-card for storing Chinse fonts. We can use PE
 or Wordstar on this system.

 3. HDCCDOS - like above.

 4. PJY/PYS system. A quite intelligent Pinyin input system. The system
 automatically memorise the characters selected by the users. It also
 segment a sentence automatical and translate the pinyin codes to
 characters.

 5. Brushwriter system - Chinese word processor developed locally.

 I do not know which one is most popular here. Of course, there are
 also small number of Chines wp systems using IBM 5550, Apple talk (Mac),
 and even the CCDOS/CCBIOS.

 Hope these information are useful.


> lua kim teng (LUAKT@NUSDISCS.BITNET)
> National University of Singapore
> Department of Information Systems and Computer Science

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 > I am an American student of Chinese, and wish to use my PC as a learning
 > tool.  My basic problem in studying Chinese is that frequent resort to a
 > dictionary is a nuisance and disrupts the flow of reading.  It seems
 > like the PC should provide a better way.
 >
 > My hope is to find a GuoBiao or BIG5 reader for the PC with a
 > mouse-driven help feature: just point the mouse at an unrecognized
 > character, click, and the software gives the pinyin (maybe even an
 > English definition!) for the character; having the pinyin would speed up
 > a subsequent dictionary search.  I would think that it would not be too
 > difficult to add such a feature to a program like WINGB, which is a
 > GuoBiao reader for Windows.

Yes, something like this would be very nice.  I am in the same boat
with you.

 > If the above does not exist, could someone recommend a 'flashcard'
 > program or other educational Chinese program for the PC?

There are a number of commercial programs in the Cheng & Tsui and
Pacific Rim Connection catalogs.  They look nice but expensive.

Cheng and Tsui Inc.
25 West Street
Boston MA 02111
+1 617 426-6074

Pacific Rim Connections Inc.
3030 Atwater Drive
Burlingame CA 94010
+1 415 697-0911
FAX +1 415 697-9439.

A guy named Phil Mosier in Sacramento, California, developed a
shareware Chinese flashcard program, KAPIAN, which he has recently put
up on IBM PC bulletin boards.  It runs on CGA or Hercules, i.e.
essentially any PC graphics card.  It has a lot of nice features:
choice of traditional and simplified characters, pinyin, English
translation, draws characters on the screen as slow as you want, in
correct stroke order.  The biggest limitation is that he has only
coded in a few characters, on the order of 400, and it is a lot of
work to enter new characters.  And apparently this guy never heard of
standards like GB or BIG-5.  But the concept is interesting.  If you
can't find KAPIAN on bulletin boards, give Phil a call, I don't have
his phone number handy but you can get it from directory assistance.

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Dear bitnet user;

I have read quite a few mail messages inquiring about Chinese software
and hardware products.  I know of a mail order company that sells nothing
except Chinese software and hardware for PC, Mac and UNIX systems.

Product categories include word processors, business packages, CAI's, graphics,
Chinese MS-Windows 3.0, translators, Chinese fonts, Chinese systems, CTP's,
and dictionaries to Chinese keyboards.

Chinese translator software for persons working for universities or big
international companies:
You may be wondering if there is software that can translate English
to Chinese, Chinese to English, or any other languages to Chinese.
There is such software!  There are, to my knowledge, at least five
companies making such products.

One of these companies, OTEK, makes this kind of software with the
North American market in mind.  All of the menus and screens: are in English,
which is good for those who know a little bit of Chinese but need to do a lot
of English to Chinese translation.  You can easily translate books, menus,
letters, and faxes using this software.

For more information, please contact:

Data Station
P.O. Box 91654
City of Industry, CA 91715-1654
(213)344-8595

12/19/91
James Chen

P.S. Write to them before december 30th, you will be able to get a free gift.

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Taipei International Computer Applications Show

Most of the CAD softwares are localized AutoCAD.

company                            localized platform       application


Sunex Tech Co, Ltd, (02)7516797,   AutoCAD   DOS: EGA,
7417716, Fax:7722745                         VGA, SVGA

as above                           OrCAD                    drafting

as above                           Silver                   mechanical design
                                   Screen

as above                           3-D
                                   studio

TOPONE Tech Inc, 02-3620252,       AutoCAD   DOS, SPARC,
Fax:3914794                                  HP-UX, DEC
                                             Ultrix, SGI
                                             IRIS Indigo

Design Companion                   AutoCAD   DOS, SPARC,
                                             SGI IRIS
as above                                     Indigo

AutoWork, (02)2018708,2016708,     AutoCAD   DOS            interier design
Fax:2017975

ChinaCAD, (02)773-5327,781-3529,   AutoCAD   DOS            architecture,
Fax:772-3159                                                interier design

S&T, (02)785-2828, Fax:788-6356    Caelum    DOS            mechanical
                                                            CAE,CAM,CAT

Desgin Companion from TOPONE and Caelum may not have Chinese capability.

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Dear bitnet user;

I have read quite a few mail messages inquiring about Chinese software
and hardware products.  I know of a mail order company that sells nothing
except Chinese software and hardware for PC, Mac and UNIX systems.

Product categories include word processors, business packages, CAI's, graphics,
Chinese MS-Windows 3.0, translators, Chinese fonts, Chinese systems, CTP's,
and dictionaries to Chinese keyboards.

Chinese translator software for persons working for universities or big
international companies:
You may be wondering if there is software that can translate English
to Chinese, Chinese to English, or any other languages to Chinese.
There is such software!  There are, to my knowledge, at least five
companies making such products.

One of these companies, OTEK, makes this kind of software with the
North American market in mind.  All of the menus and screens: are in English,
which is good for those who know a little bit of Chinese but need to do a lot
of English to Chinese translation.  You can easily translate books, menus,
letters, and faxes using this software.

For more information, please contact:

Data Station
P.O. Box 91654
City of Industry, CA 91715-1654
(213)344-8595

12/19/91
James Chen

P.S. Write to them before december 30th, you will be able to get a free gift.

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The following message is from a Catalog 23 (Spring 1990) from
CHENG & TSUI COMPANY, 25-31 West street, Boston, Massachusetts
02111 (617)426-6074

There are some other Chinses software provided by this company.
I'll send some more info about them. I would like to see more
info if someone knows these software or other catalogs from
CHENG & TSUI.


D. Chu

---------------------------------------------------------------

HANZI ASSISTANT: A CD
ROM Chinese Study Tool
Dartmouth College

    HANZI ASSISTANT is a database of the 2500 hanzi, or Chinese
basic literacy set and which constitute the focus of the first
two years of most Chinese language course. In all, the CD ROM
inlcludes over 3500 cards, each card containing a single character
represented in multiple ways: Tranditional brush-style calligraphy
of the character; its pencil version shown in animated stroke order;
choice of tranditional or simplified forms; digitzied pronunciation
by native speakers, both male and female, for each character; pinyin
romanization to view or hide for drilling purposes; viewing or hiding
of English translatios for each character. It also allows the option
to create subsets and to download stand-alone subsets which can be
used independently of the complete HANZI ASSISTANT.

    This CD-ROM version also includes Mr. Wanf and Ms. Li, software
developed by Professors Hua Yuan Mowry and Ted Yao, which illustates
language in context in a lighthearted way.

    HANZI ASSISTANT requires at least a Macintosh Plus (preferably with
a hard disk), a CD ROM drive, and Hypercard 1.2.2 (preferred) or 1.2.1.
For some operations, performance is significantly enhanced by running
on a MAC II, IIx, IIci or SE/30. Users should have System file version
6.02 or later and Finder file 6.1 or later.

    There are plans to provide selections from HANZI ASSISTANT broken down
onto floppy disks correponding to various Chinese language textbooks. If
you are interested in such selections, please write us about your specific
needs, and we will pass them onto the developers.

    A demo version on 6 disks--one program disk, 3 with sounds, one with
help files, and one with the editor to create lists-- is available. The
103-character sample includes characters whose pinyin begins with "B".
Copying all these files into the same folder on your hard disk will
allow a fully functional demonstration of the software.

Panda Software, Hanover
0-88727-155-3 For Individual US$100.00
0-88727-156-1 For Institutions *$300.00

* Includes permition to make subsets and copy them to floppy disks for
multiple users; free upgrates to next versionl telephone support directly
with developer.
HADEMO Demo/6 disks  $25.00
(Add $4.00 for shipping & handling.)

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Excerpts from mail: 25-Sep-92 no subject (file transmission) by Cen
Huang@EDUC.UCALGARY.
>The following message is from a Catalog 23 (Spring 1990) from
>CHENG & TSUI COMPANY, 25-31 West street, Boston, Massachusetts
>02111 (617)426-6074
>........
The address is now just 25 West Street; everything else is unchanged.
They now have a FAX number (617)426-3669

This catalog is two years old, and no longer up-to-date. The most recent
Cheng & Tsui catalog (#25, Spring 1992) now has four pages devoted to
Chinese language software, too much to describe here, but because there
have been so many recent inquiries about Xia Li Ba Ren, I will reproduce
verbatim the section of the catalog describing XLBR.

*****************************************************************************
XIA LI BA REN 3.0
Chinese-English Word Processor for the IBM PC & Macintosh

This newly available program is highly regarded as being very easy to
use and versatile. This full featured Chinese-English word Processor
uses pinyin and other popular input methods. The newest versions will be
available in June, 1992.

The Basic Version contains both simplified and traditional Songti, which
are scaleable up to 64x64 pixels PC version; off-line printing; full
functions for Chinese editing; open architecture; command key
redefinition; and a proportional English font. It is also Windows 3.1
compatible and has PCX and TIFF file format for export. (Mac-based Basic
Version only has font 24x24.) The Enhanced Basic Version has all of the
above listed features and an integrated environment, plus print preview,
font editor, customized Chinese abbreviation library, and key board
remapping. The Advanced Version contains 8 fonts in all, both simplified
and traditional Kaiti, Fansonti, Heiti Jian and Heiti Fan. Future,
exciting add-ons will be available.

Requirements: PC BASED VERSIONS- IBM XT/AT, IBM PS/2 and 100%
compatibles; hard disk required, 6MB for Basic or Enhanced Versions, 18
MB for Advanced; 512K free of RAM; Mono/CGA/EGA/VGA display; DOS 3.0 or
later (5.0 recommended; MS-Mouse or compatible recommended. Extended
memory (XMS) may be required for Preview function. Supports most
standard dot matrix, ink jet and laser printers. MAC BASED VERSIONS -
English system 6.0.7 or above; hard disk required for Enhanced (6 MB) or
Advanced Versions (18 MB).

Easternwell Technology, Inc.

    PC BASED VERSIONS
XLBRBP   Basic 3.0 - PC         $69
XLBREBP  Enhanced Basic - PC   $139
XLBRAP   Advanced - PC         $279

    MAC BASED VERSIONS
XLBRBM   Basic 3.0 - Mac         $54
XLBREBM  Enhanced Basic - Mac   $139
XLBRAM   Advanced - Mac         $279

*****************************************************************************
Here are some additional things I learned in a recent telephone call to
Cheng & Tsui.

All versions are now available, except that the English documentation
for the PC version is not yet ready.

Cheng & Tsui has brochures that describe the program in more detail;
they will send them on request. I have asked for one, and when I have
it, I will summarize any additional features to the net.

They have demo disks for $10 (plus $3 S&H). The cost of the demo disk
can be applied to a subsequent purchase.

If you buy a less-expensive version, you can upgrade later to a more-
expensive version for the price differential.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
According to the person I talked to, the developers of the Mac and PC
versions have recently separated. The address of the Mac developer was
posted recently by Yuan Jiang; I'll repeat it here:

Easternwell Technology Inc.
6448 Eagle Ridge
Kalamazoo, MI  49004
800-484-7881,7724, Fax:616-349-4601

If you dial this number you get only MCI phone mail.

I don't know where the PC developer is, but it is not at the old
Brookline, MA address.

I have urged Cheng & Tsui to consider getting on CCNET, and they seem
interested in doing so.

Although I have never ordered software from them, I have ordered books
on several occasions. Their service is good, albeit a little slow, and
they are always helpful and cooperative. They have an extensive listing
of books, videos, dictionaries, study materials, and software in
Chinese, Japanese, and Korean.

Ned S. VanderVen
Dept. of Physics
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA

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> I wonder if anyone knew of any software that can be used as a tool
> for learning Chinese. A friend's teenage daughter speaks Chinese but
> can't read or write. Any suggestions? Thanks much.  Rex Shee

One shareware program I know of is KAPIAN -- Chinese character
flashcards for IBM PC.  It is available for anonymous ftp at
ahkcus.org in /src/pc/kapian.zip.  Unpack it with PKUNZIP.EXE.

Has anyone tried any of the educational programs in the Pacific Rim
Connection or Cheng & Tsui catalogs?

Let's see more discussion of educational software on CCNET!

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Yes, this is partly the timing, and partly (I think) that not much has been
happening.  Of course, Mac System 7.1 did recently come out, there is a new
version of Eten, new entering systems are in the works, and there are even
potentially exciting developments for Unix (Chinese text entry in "Mule,"
a CJK-capable GNU-Emacs text editor; Framemaker for Unix -- and Mac; to
mention two).  Not much has been said about this stuff on this list,
although I have seen discussions (non-technical in nature) on some of these
issues and products...

Perhaps Ping Zhou has a point, however -- it would be nice to see more
informed discussion hereabouts on the topics suggested in the list
guidelines.

Avron Boretz
Cornell University C/J/K Computing and Database Facility

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A friend was at IBM Taiwan on Friday and said they have the new
Chinese version of OS/2 2.0 out now.  It is being sold through
the ETen company and also Sung Kang.  List price is NT$4,900.

Disappointingly, it uses IBM 5550 internal codes for storing
Chinese.  Surprising that IBM is not jumping on the Unicode
bandwagon; we can only hope they will do so later.  Anyone know
about this?

Good news is that you can run ETen in an OS/2 window, either as
one of many windows on the screen or as a full screen session.
So it sounds like you can use Big-5 or any other code ETen supports.
However, if you use ETen 3.x, the window must be an MS-DOS5
window booted from within OS/2.  This is how it was explained
to me; perhaps OS/2 users will understand the exact implications.
The bottom line seems to be: it works.

All menus in this version are displayed in Chinese.  Of course,
you don't need to have ETen--the above was just to say that ET
will run fine in an OS/2 DOS window.

- Carlos

From sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!gatech!pitt.edu!yding Wed Nov 25 01:08:10 EST 1992
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I have uploaded dingdang.zip to cs.pitt.edu.  To download:

 ftp cs.pitt.edu     (130.49.2.61)
 name: anonymous     (anonymous login)
 password: guest
 cd /pub/incoming
 get dingdang.doc    (more information)
 tenex               (if your machine is unix)
 binary              (if your machine is VMS, or PC)
 get dingdang.zip    (the program)
 get unzip50.exe     (if you don't have a file called UNZIP.EXE)
 bye

This update added pinyin input support.

Yijun, 11-24-92

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.


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Greetings,

About the HBF or "standardization_chinese_bitmap_fonts" discussion
group.  I have not heard anything from the group recently.  It appears
that a pretty good consensus has emerged, but nobody has time to sit
down and write the detailed document describing the proposed standard.

Would someone care to give at least a sketch or summary of the
proposed standard?  Hopefully this summary could serve as a working
document for software authors who are in need of guidance.

For example, I am writing a small MS-DOS educational program,
tentatively called FLASH, for use by people like me, i.e.
English-speaking students of the Chinese language.  The program
including source code will be freely available.  The purpose of the
program is to display flashcards for Chinese character drill, using
24x24 bitmaps for both GB/simplified and BIG5/traditional characters.

Consider my perspective as a software author.  I am willing to rewrite
FLASH to conform to any reasonable standard for bitmaps, but I am
waiting for the standard to emerge.  If the standard does not emerge
by the time I am ready to release FLASH, I guess I will simply
distribute it with the bitmaps that I happen to be using.  This means
that FLASH.ZIP will be on the order of 500 to 1200 K, instead of 60 K.

One problem I have is that the traditional character bitmaps that I am
using are derived from ET's, so maybe I am not allowed to distribute
them freely.  One possible solution is to distribute FLASH without
traditional character bitmaps, but in a form that can be used with
ET's bitmaps.  The user of FLASH would then have to buy his own copy
of ET.  In addition to the obvious disadvantages, there is also the
possibility that ET Inc. could change its font format, so that the
needed bitmaps will no longer be easily available.  There are also
advantages -- people who already have ET could use FLASH with no need
for additional fonts.  Any comments?

Once again this points up the need for a set of public domain 24x24
traditional character bitmaps.  But, until such bitmaps appear, the ET
bitmaps are the closest approximation.  Therefore, one suggestion I
have for the HBF group is that the ET bitmaps should be somehow
incorporated into the proposed standard.

Best wishes,

Stephen G. Simpson
Department of Mathematics, Pennsylvania State University
333 McAllister Building, University Park, State College, PA 16802
Office phone: +1 814 863-0775      Internet: simpson@math.psu.edu
Home phone: +1 814 238-2274        Bitnet: T20@PSUVM
FAX: +1 814 865-3735

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>Is there any Chinese BBS package? Would someone be interested in writing one?
>Just wondering...


I have written a Chinese BBS package one year ago. I can communicate between two
computers I have and a few friends. Can display chinese and have all-Chinese
user interface, supports upload and download with XMODEM, YMODEM, ZMODEM,
XMODEM-1K, YMODEM-1K, KERMIT. Cannot handle all the modems out there, cannot
handle multiple callers at the same time. Dropped for a while now. Other "more
urgent" things always got in the way. Always want to pick it back, just need
someone to give me a good enough reason.

Yan Yong-Xin

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> > Dear netters,
> >
> > clhuang@uz.nthu.edu.tw worte:
> > > Do someone give me some data about IRC use ? ( chinese better )

There are simple IRC commands in chinese in published form. You have to be
in NCU CC to get them. We will work on placing an electronic copy online.

> > It would be interesting if anyone has tried Chinese on IRC.

It has been done, you will find the BIG5 chatters on #Chinese.

> > First of all, I think it requires users to be able to type very fast.

Forces you to think more carefully, so much the better. You can use mixed
 Chinese
English. There are critical Chinese terms that require the use of Chinese
rather an obscure English translation. Especially person names, places, food...
 etc.

> > Secondly, we would require the support of ZWDOS or CXterm for a very fast
>  input
> > method (e.g. Cangjie and Wubizixing)

Keyboard rate is not an issue, what can I say, try it and you'll know.

> > Do you think Big5 code can passed through IRC? I am sure HZ code can.
> >

The server accepts BIG5 OK, better not use Chinese names for channel names and
 topics.
The discussion can be in Chinese, and it is hidden inside a channel which others
who wish to join shold have the proper equipment to communicate. ( ie, BIG5
 chinese
system and Chinese IRC)

> > For your information, IRC -- Internet Relay Chat is a fantastic service
 which
> > allows multuple users talking at the same time. So far the most active IRC
> > forum I have been to is #malaysia (they use a mix of English, Malay and
>  Chinese
> > dialects, but only in Roman alphabets).
> >

The #taiwan channel averages 30 online users any momemnt (peaks during the
 night)

> > If you have tried Chinese on IRC please tell me. Anyway, I eagerly hope that
> > Yagui Wei will support Cangjie and Wubizixing on his ZWDOS so that we can
 IRC
> > Chinese.
> >
The Input method is not an issue, we use BIG5 code, you might not have to
if you use a separate channel. Get the Chinese IRC (For Unix) that is placed
on imftp.mgt.ncu.edu.tw:/pub/pds/irc. I do not have a list of which IRC clients
allow chinese IRC, but I know many use Chinese from the PC clients. You might
want to ask the IRC enthusiats on the irc-l@im.mgt.ncu.edu.tw mailing list. OR
 the
NSYSU IRC admins on the list of Chinese IRC clients availiable.

> > Won't it be an event to celebrate when we can IRC Chinese?

It's been going on for 1 year now. I have the opinion that most people
still use the English channel.

> >
> > Sincerely
> > Liangsheng Wu
> >
>
> IRC might be possible, but difficult... Talk, on the other hand, is
> possible if both parties are using cxterm (haven't tried this on a PC
> under ETen yet, but I'll bet it works).  Using cxterm, though, the remote
> screen will show ascii only until you press ctrl-l, which will convert to
> Chinese font (if you have set the parameters correctly, of course).
>
> Avron
>
> Avron Boretz
> Cornell University (Anthropology/East Asia Program)
> Cornell Chinese-Japanese-Korean Computing and Database Facility
>
> aab2@crux2.cit.cornell.edu
>

Jymmi C. Tseng

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Dear List Member,

You may be interested in a new book, The Multilingual PC Directory.
It is a source guide to about 400 multilingual and foreign language
programs for IBM PCs and compatibles. It includes product descriptions
and publisher's contact details.

I have details in a file called BABEL (12,000 characters) which I can
forward on request. If you use CompuServe, you can download the
file BABEL.ZIP from the Foreign Language Forum (GO FLEFO, Lib 0).

You may find the book useful, if for example, you need a wordprocessor
for Arabic, a spelling checker for Russian, or a program to translate
between English and Japanese.

-Ian Tresman.
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|The Chinese schools in Malaysia are looking for a Chinese system which
|can run a spreadsheet and is able to support Chinese characters (GB

  Linux+cxterm+xspread can be a good combination. Xspread is a
very friendly spreadsheet which I'v ever seen. It's basically mouse-
driven package with a pretty compatible command-driven operation
to Lotus 1-2-3. Plus it's free.

 No need to mention that both cxterm and Linux are free too. I
guess this combination package may not meet your requirement,
but it perfectly suite your need. Linux is a wonderful multi-tasking
,multi-users, UNIX System V and BSD UNIX compatible, POSIX
compliant, and is FREE. The famous SLS Linux packages contains 400-500
utilities/softwares (the above Xspread is in it). The cheapest
mail order is US$45 for this. Ftping them is free, ftp sunsite.
unc.edu  login: ftp  passwd: your-email-address. The directory
is /pub/Linux/SLS.

  I have a series of articles for Linux, from basica installation issue
to concise system management. You may find it useful if you have
no idea what this wonderful thing is and want to know it. These
articles are original in BIG5 code, but GB one is also there.
EVen you have no any Chinese viewer, you have also ready-to-view
virsion for you. This version will beautifully and automatically
display themselves on your screen running under DOS or Linux
(with dos emulator support). Try

   ftp  NCTUCCCA.edu.tw /Chinese/YuanInfo/Linux

   CXterm is a very good Chinese X window terminal program. It
doesn't come with SLS Linux packages, but you can get it everywhere.

   (By the way, my articles are free but copylefted. The copyleft
notice comes with each article. Please read it in case you want to
do something rather than just "reading" or "printing".

|coded) running on MSDOS 3.3 and above. We have tried LSCDOS but were
|not happy with the speed and irratic performance. Any suggestion with
|regards other systems and place to purchase it from ? Input methods
|should include PINYIN with WBZX...Printer support should be for 24 pin
|dot matrix. Computers in use are 386 and 486 with 4 MB Ram and VGA
|displays. Thanks.
|--
|MHFoo  Tel: 609-783518   Fax: 609-783455  Internet: foo@mhfoo.pc.my

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The Chinese schools in Malaysia are looking for a Chinese system which
can run a spreadsheet and is able to support Chinese characters (GB
coded) running on MSDOS 3.3 and above. We have tried LSCDOS but were
not happy with the speed and irratic performance. Any suggestion with
regards other systems and place to purchase it from ? Input methods
should include PINYIN with WBZX...Printer support should be for 24 pin
dot matrix. Computers in use are 386 and 486 with 4 MB Ram and VGA
displays. Thanks.
--
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Went to the annual Computer Applications Show in Taipei today.
At one booth I saw classical (traditional) and simplified
characters together on the same screen.  The name of this
company is FORYOU; in Chinese it is xiang2rui4 (xiang2shi2 de
xiang2; a yu3--feather--on the right and a sheep radical on
the left, and the rui4 from rui4dian3--Sweden).  [now we see
how great the need is for Chinese computing--it took three
lines to express two characters!]

Their phone is 886-2-701-4164 or 755-7896; fax is 755-3344.
An interesting side note is that they were not showing off
this ability of their own initiative; I had to ask about it
and they scratched their heads to think for a while before
responding that it could be done.

Since Windows allows you to mix several fonts in the same
document, even in on the same line and even having different
fonts for each character of a word, it is no problem to mix
a simplified and a classical font.  We changed two characters
out of a full line of classical characters to simplified, and
it worked fine.  This is the normal way of dealing with fonts
in Windows so there are no kludges.  One fact that will affect
some applications such as email is that when text is saved as
plain text, the formatting (including the fonts) will be lost.
And a simplified character using this method will be stored as
the same Big-5 codepoint as its classical counterpart--so this
is still not an extension with new codepoints; rather it is a
way of marking up the text, letting Windows deal with the work
of showing the characters in the chosen font.

So imagining an online system that would transmit plain text
in Chinese Big-5 codes for email use, it would appear some sort
of escape code system (or perhaps a direct insertion of the
codes Windows uses in documents to identify font changes) would
be necessary.

Several other vendors were also selling fonts for Windows, and
the ones I asked were "working on" simplified versions--although
it is a lower priority for them.  I didn't find the Hwa Kang
(DynaFont) booth today; they were no doubt there but I was in a
hurry--last day in Taipei :(.  People I spoke with said there
were WIFE (Windows Intelligent Font Environment) solutions now
but they are all scrambling to make TrueType versions of their
products.  Apparently either kind of font works fine under
C-Windows 3.1, but the market is asking for TrueType.  One set
of WIFE fonts was advertised as having 15 fonts in 1 megabyte
(but actually it was only 4 fonts; they were counting varying
degrees of thickness as separate fonts)--Fang1Ling2 Co.,
886-2-516-2345 or 515-2770; fax 505-3399.  They say they plan
to release simplified fonts "at the end of the year."

(The below items do not relate to fonts)

I did not talk to IBM myself today but heard from a friend that
they will add Big-5 code capability to the Chinese version of
OS/2.  The scheduled release date for this is 12/93.  IBM 5550
code compatability will also be retained.  There was no word
on whether or not they would remove the current limitation
that allows the Chinese version to run only on Microchannel
(IBM) machines.  In the meantime OS/2 (English version)
continues to be a good platform under which to run ETen,
NewWin, TwinBridge, China Star, and other DOS/Windows/
Unix (ported) programs.

Saw a Chinese version of NeXTSTEP, which looked very nice, but
didn't have time to play with it.  NeXTSTEP 3.1C, from Neng2shi4
(ability/shi4jie4 de shi4) ke1ji4, tel: 886-2-752-1451; fax:
752-5065.

There was a Chinese WP windows program that looked a lot like
Word for Windows, called WinWord.  Not made by Microsoft.
The special feature I was shown was the ability to show text
in a vertical format on the screen, something the MS product
does not do.   Ares International Corp., Tel: 886-2-522-1351;
fax: 551-6448.  Requires Chinese Windows.

TianMa was there (XinTianMa) but only had pinyin input, no
bopomofo--so this market might not welcome the product, even
though it has a very nice approach.

I bought an input method called "Going" in English and Guo2yin1
in Chinese (zhong1guo2/pin1yin1) for NT$199 (US$8); this is a pinyin
phrase input method; it requires you to type the entire sound
(including tone) for each character and does not present choices,
rather it figures out from context which character you wanted to
type.  If it guesses the wrong character you can go back and
correct it by choosing from a list as in most input methods.
It accepts either Pinyin (some of which is incorrect; for example
shi is listed as sh) or another system that resembles Yale.  These
are both in memory simultaneously so they can be freely interchanged,
making this program rather forgiving.  For example you can type
either zhuang4 or zhwang4 and get the same result!  This is being
sold by the people who publish ZhenHan, a Chinese system that
competes with ETen.  Tel: 886-2-363-1373; fax: 363-4159.   They
said this input method will work under ETen but I vaguely remember
having heard otherwise (but perhaps in reference to an earlier
version) and haven't had a chance to try it out at home yet.


- Carlos
  new address: 72672.3462@compuserve.com

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Dear netters,

the most current versions of ShiYong CCDOS (V.2.00), Munich System (V.2.00)
and JitsuYou JKDOS (V.1.00a) are available now at

        ftp.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.10.35] in
        /pub/culture/east-asia/sw/IBMPC/C/ShiYong.200
                                ..IBMPC/C/MunichSystem
        ..IBMPC/J/JitsuYou

A possiblity to build up a bilingual (C+J) version is shown in .ReadMe in

                                ..IBMPC/C+J

These systems enable the usage of character based standard western software
for Chinese and Japanese applications. Using a multi font setup, upto
8000x4 = 32000 different double-byte characters can be handled on the DOS
level without any signifficant conflict with major European character sets.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or suggestions.

Hu Bo ucc02au@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de

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Hi, everybody,

Thank you for NOT sending me your e-mail for ordering Auto-Executible file to print HXWZ. I already put it on ifcss.org /incoming, which named hpjian.exe and hpfan.exe. You can pick it up on that director. Please do not ask me for sending the files! Thank you very much.

Any question about Super Chinese System DCDOS, Please take the file prdcdos.exe at first, which I put in ifcss.org /software/dos/chinese-sys. I am happy to answer your question after that step. The following is the abstract of DCDOS. Thank a lot.

Super Chinese System DCDOS, which combats much advantage from many
Chinese systems in both of Taiwan and China, lets you input,
edit and output Chinese character under DOS easily. DCDOS supports
more than thirty ways to input Chinese characters, in which all the
Chinese characters are sorted by high-frequency and have an
associating character with next one or word group automatically.
You can redefine the keyboard, function keys (single and double),
batch process, Chinese-English phrases and associate word easily so
that you can use computer by your original habit. By DCDOS, you can
print very beautiful Chinese-English reports with many fonts(more
than ten Chinese fonts), sizes, rotations, tables, subscripts,
mathematical symbols, etc. The disk space is required from several
hundreds Kbytes, such as 360K in floppy disk, to several millions
bytes chosen by users. You can simulate on screen without print out.
Just like other general utilities, DCDOS does not occupy the memory
space for the Chinese character library and can display Chinese
character fast.

Dongchu Sun

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 Dear Weiting Ni:

Thank you for your letter.

I will answer some question about Super Chinese System DCDOS and Auto-Exectible files for HXWZ here include your question. Thanks for your attention.

1. DCDOS just have a demo version which include editor CE and readme right now. I try to put theis file on ifcss.org later.

2. The file prdcdos.exe include five page printout samples of DCDOS and readme. You can look these files at first and contact me if you are interested.

3. The Auto-Executible files for printing HXWZ on HP Laser Printer is 150DPI with 16x16 fonts. I want to make this file smaller. (13 pages in one file)

4. DCDOS can print very beautiful Chinese characters and English word. It has English word wrap.

5. DCDOS also can support Japanese.

6. DCDOS can print on LaserJet, DeskJet, 24PIN, 9PIN printer.

7. DCDOS can print mathematical symbols, subscripts, etc.

8. DCDOS support moniter 640X200, 640X350, 640X480, 800X600, you can change the mode even wen you are using.

9. DCDOS can install to PC with 360K space, even without harddisk.

Thanks a lot. Please feel free to ask me if you have any other quetion.

Sincerely,


Dongchu Sun


>From WNI@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu Tue Aug 17 17:51:18 1993
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 93 17:49 CDT
From: Weiting Ni <WNI@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu>
Subject: DCdos
To: dongchu@CS.UH.EDU
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Hi,
after I printed several pages included in your prdcdos.exe, I really like
the output.  Is the DCDOS a commercial software or you have a shareware
version that we can try before buy?  Thank you for your effect to make
such a nice software.
I think It is a popular question, could you please post an answer on
ccnet?   Thanks again
Weiting Ni

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From: Martin Heijdra <MHEIJDRA%PUCC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      TurboWriter/Canvas
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Status: R

I have some new info on TurboWriter and Canvas as 7.1-compatible programs.

TurboWriter 2.2.1 and up is fully 7.1-compatible, with direct inline input.
There are three versions, Traditional Chinese, Japanese and, in Japan,
FlashWriter. They differ mainly in which language you want vertical writing
in: that is OR Chinese OR Japanese; the codes, not resources, supporting the
vertical modes are mutually exclusive for the moment. In horizontal mode,
since TurboWriter is script-manager compatible, these languages, including
Simplified Chinese and Korean, can be freely mixed. As I was told, TurboWriter
is mainly sold in Japan and Taiwan; the multilingual market in the US and
Australia is not yet large enough to warrent the effort of a truly multilin-
gual version including vertical writing.

In the US TradChinese and Japanese are available; there is no version which
would allow you to use vertical text under the SimplChinese OS, BUT the
(Trad)Chinese version since version 2.0.2
comes with a Big-5-coded Simplified Chinese FONT, so
that you can mix the two freely under the TradChinese OS. Of course, as some
people on this net don't seem to realize, SimplChinese <--> TradChinese is
NOT a one-to-one, or even one-to-many correspondence: one simplified character
can have more than one traditional equivalent, AND the opposite is also
true: one traditional character can have more than one simplified equivalent.
The translation of traditional to simplified is therefore never completely
automatic.

The TradChinese and Japanese TurboWriter versions in the US come with a
choice of English or Chinese/Japanese menus; the FlashWriter version sold in
Japan has no choice, only Japanese menus. Support of the Chinese version comes
from Pacific Rim, the Japanese version from SystemSoft.

As far as Canvas is concerned (a draw/painting program with many text capa-
biltities), they have a 7.1-compatible 2-byte version, which is guaranteed
to work with the two Chinese OS and Korean; it most probably is also compa-
tible with Japanese, but since there IS a fully localized Japanese version,
they do not want to guarantee it. The language of the menus is English.

There is a catch: this is NOT the discounted version available at mailorders;
for the compatible version, you have to contact Canvas (Deneba) yourself, and
pay the official price, $399, specifying that you want the 2-byte version.

Martin Heijdra, Gest Library, Princeton.

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Dear folks of CCNET-L,
        I am sorry for such a lengthy delay in getting back with this
reply some of you requested, I lost access to tmy server for several months
and just recently got access back to it.

        My original quetion was regarding an Electronic Chinese Dictionary
an/or a Chinese/English and English Chinese electronic dictionary systems.
I also asked about Chinese word processors that you might recommend.

        I will try to summarize comments and have also included parts
of the comments that I did receive.  Thanks for all your replies, the
gave me some interesting leads.

        I did not get a lot of info regarding dicitonaries.  I did down
load a hugh electronic dictionary from Tiawan (NCTU's server?).  It was
easy to set up and run, including the setup of KC60.  The doctionary
was pretty neat, but as the original poster said it is an electronics
dictionary.  Doesn't do a whole lot for translating Tang Poetry! :-)
        Others mentioned dicitonary programs embedded in a Word
Processing Program.  I haven't much experience with these other then
an older version of NJSTAR and a demo verison of Twinbridge.  These are
ok, but what is really needed is a true dictionary with definitions and
are large vocabulary and preferably two directional: i.e. Chinese to
English and English to Chinese, to handle acedemic work.
        Newer versions of the Word processors may do a better job, but I
have not had a chance to investigate them.

        The word processing programs gave me a whole array.  NJSTAR was
the clear winner by number of recommendations.  There where several
other mentioned, please see below for all the revelant suggesitons and
comments.
        The issue we have os to print a document with the quality of a
Word Perfect or Microsoft Word, such as various font sizes and styles.
Underlining, bolding, etc.
        A 2.x veriosn of NJSTAR that I ftp'd only handled two fonts sizes
which isn't enough.  Although I did like the feel of the program.
        I also really liked the ability to read in several different
fonts as well as write out in PCX.  This is very helpful since my wife
does a lot of translation work and many people do not have the
ability to get E-mail (let alone handle a Chinese langugae document);
therefore, my wife can fax complete work directly without having to
go through the step of prnting the document.

        I have also tried the demo version of Twinbridge.  I have to say
I liked this the best as it is using a very popular and powerful Word
Processor.  The problem here is that fots that come with the demo
aren't fonts that you can get with a full blown system.  But it is hard
to lay out $200 to $800 on a system that you haven't seen print
for yourself.  It is really nice to scale fonts to anysize and then change
the sizes.  I would also like to see the different styles of fonts
such as song, kai, hei, etc.  I could not determine if it was possible
to have oth simplified or traditional in the same docuemnt.  Although
for all the work my wife has doen this has not been needed very much.

        I suspect I will be looking around some more at some of the
different word processors, but currently I am leaning toward
Twinbridge.

        Thanks for all your help and plaes feel fre to let me know if
anything new has been developed!  I would also be glad to answer any
ones quesitons would like to knwo more.

                        Thanks
                        Ed Hughes
                        ejhughes@sanluis.uccs.edu
                        ed@oldcolo.com
                        ehughes@mcimail.com



        The foloing is a compilation of the various comments and suggestions
I received.  Thanx again!


For your question one, I do not have a good answer. There is no
comprehensive electronic dictionary of Chinese-English. However, if you
have NJSTAR, a DOS Chinese software (version 3.0 will be available soon),
you may find it very useful. While you edit your Chinese text, you may
check each character (or word). This is a new function which is called
Dictionay Use.

As for second question, I recommend two: NJSTAR 3.0 and TwinBridge 3.1a.
NJSTAR 3.0 is a  ery versatile program which allows you to input words
without tone marks. It has many functions. I cannot elaborate them here
and if you are interested in it, you can read my article about it. The
article is in gb format (uuencoded).
TwinBridge is not very good in terms of input, but its professional
version has very beautiful fonts. You must use Windows and WinWord along
with TwinBridge, since it is a operating system.


=========================================================================

ETEN TECH Journal Aug, 1993 introduces & compares some chinese word processing
packages. There are Cwords 1.2, CAmiPRO 2.0 for windows, (as the name you know,
they are developed by microsoft and lotus), also there are lots of domestice
softwares are developed. Wordperfect is now trying to enter this market, too.
If you prefer windows environment, the two, Cword and CAmipro are excellent
for you, However, if you prefer dos environment, domestic packages are suitable
for you and they are cheaper. By the way, Dos edit.exe is a good word processor
I think. If you use any chinese system environent, try edit.exe. It is the
cheapest.

You can try Super Chinese System DCDOS which supports many printers and
printout is very nice. The disk space is required from 360K to 8.8M.
The ftp site is:    ifcss.org: /software/dos/editor


=========================================================================

I use Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.1, with either MS Word for Windows
and/or Ami Pro 3.0. For an input system, I use Hanin 3.11 for CWIN 3.1.
Its context sensitive. For fonts, I use Dynafont and CompuFont's
Fanjiantong for simplified characters. I also use Fontographer to create
IPA, tone marks, etc.

In DOS, I run WordPerfect 4.2 under ETEN. It's a cheaper solution iflaser
quality printing isn't required. It prints best with the Epson LQ series
and compatibles


=========================================================================

I don't know if there is a Chinese dictionary existing on the network, but
I know a good word processor called NJSTAR which supports all kinds of
printers. The registration fee is $69, but students get $20 discount.
For the functionality, which is good but not perfect, the price is very
good. The program supports many input methods, and supports many file formats
which is an important aspect of Chinese computing. Overall, I think
NJSTAR is a worthy investment.


=========================================================================

Did you try NJStar?  It is ftpable too.  (IFCSS.ORG softwar\dos\editor.)

I speak for NJStar.  SO I don't want to give a comerical statment.  :-)!
You need to try it out at your own.


=========================================================================

You may look into this anonymous ftp site, ifcss.org for goodies.
file /software/catalogue has description of all files available.
My collection of CCNET articles,
/china-studies/compute/ccnet-archive/chtranslate or dictionary
may of help too.


=========================================================================

1) For an elect. Chinese Dictionary, assume you have ftp access,
you can try ftp to this ftp site: 140.111.3.21 under /pub/Chinese/dict,
(I hope it is right).

2) If you have window V3.1, you may want to try the CStar For
    Windows Which was developed in Beijing, China. Try to get
    the version 1.2. It is an excellet Chinese Windows Program.
    It support several input method, and different fonts. If you are
    interested, you may contact this chinese software company:

    Data Station
    P.O.Box 91654
    City of Industry, CA 91715-1654

    Ask them for the catalog, they have almost all the word processor
    software from both China and Taiwan.

From @UGA.CC.UGA.EDU:owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Tue Nov  2 10:50:51 1993
Date:         Wed, 3 Nov 1993 00:40:19 0730
From: Saw Kew Seng <KSSaw@KBKB.PC.MY>
Subject:      Re: Chinese programmers needed for School Timetable
Status: R

I know of a very good school admin program call MacSchool. It includes
time table (a very powerful one indeed), exam analysis, students and
teachers database, attendance, etc. It can run under Mac Chinese
System. But it costs around US$4000.00 and you know, the Chinese
community is very cost consciuos.
---

From @UGA.CC.UGA.EDU:owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Wed Nov  3 00:40:41 1993
From: James Lin <chase@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: request for info
Status: R

It is really hard to say which product will be the BEST one.

I have some suggestions :

1) On DOS side, ETEN Chinese system is a really solid based Chinese
operating system under English DOS for about 10 years.  It is not a word
processor, that's the beauty of it so you can use Lotus 123, Dbase
III+...and lot lot more.  You can simply use one of those more than 10
different Chinese word processor produced in Taiwan to do the WP job.
ETEN has BIG-5 code version and it comes with more than 10 different input
methods used in Taiwan.  They also has GB-code based version comes with
more than 10 different input methods used in China.

2) On DOS side, Microsoft has released Works Chinese Edition, which is a
DOS based multi-feature application, it support word processing !

3) On Windows side, why not use Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.1 ?  There are
over 200 typefaces avaiable for this windows ! Why bother to have PCX or
BMP files for most of these 200 typefaces are true type scalable fonts.
Microsoft has two versions of Chinee Windows, the one in BIG-5 code is ROC
version, the one in GB-code is PRC version.  The beauty of these windows
is that several companies already have released HAND-WRITE pen based
products for these windows !  I found them perfect for kid who treat them
as amazing toys.

4) Sony also released one CD-Rom called "Languages of the World" features
12 different languages in it including Chinese and Japanese.  For Chinese
and Japanses, this CD-Rom also provides bitmap representations if user
choose the option.

James Lin

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From: mingfang li <mli@HUEY.CSUN.EDU>
Subject:      Where to get Chinese
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Status: R

To: CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
Subject: Where to get Chinese

This message was originally addressed to ejhughes@SANLUIS.UCCS.EDU
and a carbon copy was sent to you.
                    ----------------------------------------
E>Hello,

E>        I have a breif question.  Where can I purchase Chinese Micro
E>Soft Windows and Chinese Microsoft Word for Windows?  And what are some
E>approximate costs of this software?

This is probably a frequently asked question.  I will try to supply the
following information.

==================================================
Data Station
Evening & Weekend: (213) 344-8595
PO Box 91654
City of Industry, CA 91715-1654

According to their Summer 1993 Product List

MS Windows Chinese 3.1                    $198.00
MS Word for Windows Chinese Version 1.2   $650.00

This place specializes mail order of Chinese related software,
they also publish a free newsletter on Chinese computing.

=================================================
Chase Computers
Tel: (818) 300-8666
Fax: (818) 300-8693
210 E. Main Street
Alhambra, CA 91801

This business carries a wide range of Chinese related software.
==================================================

I believe there are a few other places.  Maybe someone can compile a
list and start an FAQ (so the list of vendors can be part of that
FAQ).  Just a thought.

HTH.
---
. Mingfang Li, Ph.D. ..............VTTTTTV............. Fax: (818) 885-4903 .
. Department of Management .........V.T.V............. Dept: (818) 885-2457 .
. California State U Northridge ......V............. Office: (818) 885-2421 .
. Northridge, CA 91330-8245  USA .............. Internet: mli@huey.csun.edu .

cc: Chinese Computing Network [CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU]
---
 ~ QMPro 1.51 ~ BTW, cc: in E-mail messages means Courtesy Copy.

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From: Curtis Smith <NTNUS239%TWNMOE10.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Chu Pang-fu
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Status: R

Hello!

A few months ago, there was some talk of Chu Pang-fu (~{Vl0n84~}), and I
mentioned that I was going to visit him. Well, I just returned a few days
ago. While I was there, he gave me a copy of his system ~{CwVi~}which
contains text editor, spreed sheet, data base, drawing, and desktop pub-
lishing utilities. It uses Cang-jie for input, and has over 60,000 characters.
It has three styles of outline fonts, which can be changed in many ways.
The best part of this is that the entire system is in one 449,802 byte file. I
have uploaded this system as ABQ.ZIP to ifcss.org ../incoming, and it should
be moved to ../software/dos/chinese-systems. Please read the README.1ST
file before trying this system. Chu asked me to be sure to mention that
this system still contains some bugs. He also said that it may be distributed
freely to anyone. After playing with the system myself a bit, I have found
what I believe may be a few bugs, but due to the rather "idiosyncratic"
nature of the system, it may be that I simply do not understand it well
enough yet. This is actually simply his earlier Chu-chen ~{>[Ud~}system,
with a few minor revisions. There is a book out on this system, although I
doubt that it could be bought any longer.

      As for the suggestion I was asked to pass on to Mr Chu concerning
getting on to the network, when I mentioned this to him, he simply laughed
and said "Tell them that Chu Pang-fu is too poor to be on the network!"
(He is not affiliated to any institution, academic or other.)

      At present, Mr Chu has his sights set on a much higher target than
simply building a Chinese computer system. He is working on something
called an "comprehension system ~{@m=bO5M3~}", which is an artificial
intelligence system, based on, if you can believe me, a foundation of the
cang-jie structure and the Lao-tzu. He explains that cang-jie is not simply
an input system, but a concept of the structure of the Chinese writing
system. After a look at his work so far, I was quite amazed. Testing is
schedualed for July of this year!

Curtis Smith
Bitnet: NTNUS239@TWNMOE10
Internet: s21008@cc.ntnu.edu.tw

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From: Curtis Smith <NTNUS239%TWNMOE10.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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Status: R

Sorry, but I forgot to mention one important detail about the ABQ program I
uploaded today: you need at least 2MB of EMS to run, and up to 4MB for high
resolution laser printers. I run it with just under 2 MB with no problem.

Sorry for not mentioning this earlier!

Curtis Smith
BITNET: NTNUS239@TWNMOE10
Internet: s21008@cc.ntnu.edu.tw

From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Wed Jul 12 12:22:24 1995
Reply-To: ITISH <itish@PUBLIC.STA.NET.CN>
Sender: Chinese Computing Network <CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
From: ITISH <itish@PUBLIC.STA.NET.CN>
Subject:      Re: Bilingual Business Software
Comments: To: chapple@simon.wustl.edu
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Status: RO

Yes! Shanghai Venus Software Co., Ltd. offers a very nice package in Chinese/
English. They are the main competitor of Fourth Shift in China. They have many
well know foreign companies as their clients. Its address is
        6/F 9# Building, 471 Gui Ping Road
        Shanghai, P.R. China
Its telephone number is 21-4753475, fax number is 21-4754135. If you want to
get more information, you can contact William Hu, manager of marketing & sales
department; or, you can send me a message.

Dennis


From BAMBOO@delphi.com Sun Jul 16 02:46:27 1995
From: BAMBOO@delphi.com
 id <01HSX7HICAZ49FS0KH@delphi.com>; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 02:43:06 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 02:43:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Chinese software for PC 7/95
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X-VMS-To: @EMAIL-1
MIME-version: 1.0
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Status: R

If you received more than one copy of this catalog, please let us know!
Thank you!
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               CHINESE SOFTWARES MAIL ORDER CATALOG
                       ***********************
                       **     July, 1995     **
                       ***********************
DATA STATION, EVENING, WEEKEND NUMBER: (818)968-1445  FAX(818)458-9295
             PO BOX 91654, CITY OF INDUSTRY, CA 91715
                     E-Mail bamboo@delphi.com

=======================================================================
= IF you read Chinese, you may send your address to us and request a  =
= printed catalog with newsletter (SoftNews) free.  U.S.A. only       =
=======================================================================
--------------------------------------------------------------
= CD-ROM products require Microsoft Windows 3.1, Sound Card  =
= and CD-ROM player.  Few of them run under DOS.             =
= Some CD-ROMs might require Chinese Windows 3.1             =
--------------------------------------------------------------


**********************
*    New Products    *
**********************

  Asia Magic (Standard Version)                                        $65.00
     Have you ever wondered if there is a Chinese input method that is:
     1) very easy to learn
     2) faster than hand writing?
     Asia Magic is your answer.  If you can write Chinese, you will be able
     to input Chinese with your keyboard within few minutes.
     It takes only few minutes to
     learn the the rules. The keyboard sticker comes with the package make
     the whole learning process even easier.  Run under DOS and complete
     with word processor.  Windows upgrade will be available soon.
     If you are not happy with Asia Magic, return it for refund.
     Three versions are available:
     1) "Standard version" is good for home use.
     If you have PC compatable computer, you may install and use rightaway.
     Nothing else to buy.  Some of the features in the standard version are:
     Traditional Chinese characters stroke, Traditional Chinese
     characters Pinyin, Rare Chinese character stroke, Rare Chinese
     characters Pinyin.
  Asia Magic (Plus Version)                                            $109.00
     Looking for more features? the "Plus version" may solve your business
     need.  "Plus version" include every features in the "Standard version"
     plue: Draw new characters, Export files in Big-5 code, Export into
     Chinese Windows.
  Asia Magic (Professional Version)                                    $149.00
     "Professional Version" has even more feature on top of "Plus version":
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     Table drawing, Simple graphic drawing, Search for characters and replace
     them, Input in traditional or Simplified Chinese, Convert a Single
     character to other form, Convert a whole block to the other form, Support
     for high density laser fonts, Very simple to use system macros.
  CD-ROM ABC Interactive Chinese (complete version)                    $189.00
     (This promotional price ended on 5/31/1995)  Regular price $249.00
     Yes, our popular Interactive Chinese finally comes to CD-ROM.
     New and improved features include: more games, PinYin section,
     Traditional/Simplified character display switchable and detailed
     on-line help.
     You get complete lessons: Book 1 to Book 9, PinYin and 500 words.
  CD-ROM Turning Turtle - Goes to school (Chinese/English display)     $39.00
     Learn Chinese/English with animation, music and sound.  Also 
     designed so that children can learn how to solve problems in their 
     daily live.
  CD-ROM Story Time (in five languages)                                $30.00
     Three popular stories: Golden Egg, Mice's Wedding and Bird's 
     story.  Through the animation and sound, children learn the 
     meaning of live.  Learn five language: Mandarin, English, Taiwanese, 
     Cantonese and Hakka.
  CD-ROM NewTek 54 Chinese True Type Fonts on CD-ROM  (Try and Buy)  $19.00
     54 Traditional/Simplified Chinese True Type fonts on one CD-ROM.
     You also get 10 free input methods for MS C-win and able to create your
     very own input mathod, a demo of font maker and a 2 bytes to one byte
     utility demo.
     Try these fonts with your Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.1 and order
     complete version later.
     In this Try and Buy version, you get all 54 TTF, hoever, only 2,000
     characters per TTF are available for use.  2,000 characters per fonts
     are enough for daily usage.  We would like you to try and see the
     easy of installation and beauty of the printout before you invest
     more money on these fonts.
     When you are ready to buy the real thing, you will receive
     $19.00 off the complete version price.
  CD-ROM NewTek True Type Fonts CD-ROM (5 fonts)                      $69.00
  CD-ROM NewTek True Type Fonts CD-ROM (10 fonts)                     $99.00
  CD-ROM NewTek True Type Fonts CD-ROM (25 fonts)                     $199.00
  CD-ROM NewTek True Type Fonts CD-ROM (54 fonts)                     $299.00
     If you ordered 5 fonts versin, you will be able to choose any 5 fonts
     out of 54.  Same when you ordered 10 or 25 fonts versions.
  CD-ROM NewTek True Type font maker                                  $139.00
  CD-ROM NewTek True Type font 2 byte to 1 byte utility               $59.00
  CD-ROM English Chinese Encyclopedia-Dictionary                      $69.00
     This is the first ever bilingual interactive multimedia
     encyclopedia-dictionary produced by the renowned reference books
     publisher in China, Far East Book Co., Ltd.
     English <=> Chinese Bilingual Dictionary; Search function for words and
     phrases in hundreds of categories; Search of rmultimedia pictures and
     illustrations according to different subjects; Recording function for
     comparison between student and the computer's 'live' audio voice;
     Thousand of sentences for vocabulary games; K.K. pronunciation table
     for listening and practicing; World Atlas with nation capitols, flags and
     detailed pronunciation; Timeline for important events of the East and
     West; Selective printout functions for word entries.
     Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.1, 4MB RAM, MPC sound card required.
  CD-ROM Five Millennia of Chinese Art:
     Images of a Spiritual Journey                                     $59.00
     A CD-ROM title for a digital video tour of the National Palace Museum,
     Taipei, Taiwan and its collection of Chinese art works and antiquities.
     The National Palace Museum in Taiwan is home to an unsurpassed
     collection of fine art objects representing the legacy of 5,000 years of
     Chinese culture. It is also one of the most visited museums in the world.
     Bring one copy of this CD-ROM back home with you, and you no longer have
     to travel all the way to Taiwan to tour the national Palace Museum in
     person.
  CD-ROM Chinese Life as Seen in a Chinese Painting                     $59.00
     "A City of Cathay" is a masterpiece of Chinese arts, fascinating both in
     theme and treatment. Its original creator was inspired by what he saw in
     the street life of Kaifeng, the ancient capital of the Northern Sung(A.D.
     960-1126), and he decided to paint the human landscape of the city he
     loved so much.  This 11 meter handscroll painting in a modern electronic
     multi-media presentation lets you travel through time and space, revel in
     the splendors of the 11th century Chinese capital, and witness many
     charming scenes from ordinary Chinese life.


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*  Direct form Taiwan  *
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    If you are looking for software that are not fund on the catalog,
    give us a call, fax or E-Mail.  We will order it for you from Taiwan.
    Price will be the same as in Taiwan plus S/H.
    Software such as:

  OS/2 Warp 3.0 Chinese Edition                                         $206.00
  AMIPRO V3.0 Chinese Edition                                           $169.00
  MS Windows NT Chinese Edition                                         $call




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* Learning Chinese for everybody *
**********************************

  CD-ROM Audio-Visual Chinese-English Dictionary                       $45.00
      2,270 most frequently-used Chinese characters. (English display)
      Artistic drawings with each word. Phrases and sample sentences.
      Animated stroke instruction. Displays homonyms and antonyms.
      Short stories, songs, riddles and poems. Video clips and 
      animated cartoons.
   CD-ROM Simple Business Chinese                                      $35.00
      Learn Business Chinese.  You may us them rightaway in your trip to
      China.  Learn how to ask question in many situations.
   CD-ROM Learn BoPoMoFo as easy as ABC (Windows 3.1)                  $49.00
      Switchable display in Japaness, Chinese or English.  Teach your
      children BoPoMoFo with game, sound and animation.


******************************
*   Learning Chinese for ABC *
******************************

  CD-ROM ABC Interactive Chinese - Try and Buy version                 $10.00
      --  Learning Chinese the Multi-Media Way --
      Learn Chinese with sound, music and games. Teaches you how to 
      speak and read Chinese. English Windows 3.1 and Sound card required.
      Try it! Makes learning fun. This CD-ROM is a subset of the 
      complete package offered below. (English display)
  ABC Interactive Chinese "SYSTEM" + one "Add-On"                      $64.00
      Learn Chinese the Multi-Media Way!  You will learn how to read
      and speak mandarin. You set your own pace. Many ADD-ONs for variety
      of subjects. Learn with games. It is better than tape, video or even
      live teacher. Any time, any place, when ever you are in the 
      mood. "INTERACTIVE" is the key word of this computer language 
      learning system.  You may purchase more ADD-ONs (see items below)
      in order to study Chinese. English Microsoft Windows 3.1
      and Sound Card required. (English display)
  CD-ROM ABC Interactive Chinese (complete version on CD-ROM)          $195.00
  ABC Interactive Chinese "SYSTEM" + "Add-On #1 to #10"                $235.00
  ABC Interactive Chinese Add-On #1 - #9                    each       $19.00
      Add-On 1 to 9. These Add-Ons are based on the most popular text
      books used by hundreds of Chinese school in the North America.
      Each Add-On has 6 to 12 lessons.  Add-On one is about first grade
      level. Add-On nine is about 12 grade level. YOU NEED TO PURCHAS
      "SYSTEM" in order to access these Add-Ons.  Many new Add-Ons are
      coming soon! (English display)
  ABC Interactive Chinese ADD-ON 10 "500 words"                        $48.00
      Firt of its kind.  Learn how to write Chinese with your PC.  
      Yes, you can really learn how to write Chinese without any 
      additional hardwares.  Your mouse does it all; "SYSTEM" needed.
      Do you want to learn how to write Chinese?  Yes, with this
      specially designed add-on, you will enjoy writing Chinese without
      addition hardware to buy. You will learn how to write Chinese
      correctly.  You can also select any word(s) and make dotted 
      outlind of the word(s) on paper for actual hand writing practice.
  CD-ROM 15,000 Chinese reader (MS Chinese Windows 3.1 version)        $10.00
      Read 15,000 Chinese words out loud.  Feed the program with a
      Chinese text file and it will read out loud in Mandarin Chinese
      for you.  SoundBlaster compatable sound card and Microsoft Chinese
      Windows 3.1 required. Comes with many Chinese text files.  You may
      get additional text files from Data Stations.
   Learn BoPoMoFo  (DOS)                                               $19.00
      Yes, your children will be thankful for this teaching software.
      It uses games, color and sounds to help them learn BoPoMoFO 
      in a fun way

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* Translation Software *
************************

  OTEK English to Chinese translation (MS C-Win) Basic version       $89.00
      This version is designed for student and general use.  You may add
      your own vocabularies to the system for better translation. It also
      install a English to Chiense input method onto your Windows 3.1.
      You may check any English words at any time. Does word by word,
      sentences and large text file translation.
  OTEK English to Chinese translation (MS C-Win) Prof. version       $320.00
      Prof. version allows user to add many dictionaries which will
      enable the translation of many type of fields such as engineering,
      medical, business etc...(11 types) more accurately.  These additional
      dictionaries are sold separatly. Prof. version comes with one free
      dictionary of your choice.
  OTEK English to Chinese translation (ETEN DOS) Prof. version       $320.00
  OTEK English to Chinese translation (ETEN DOS) Basic version       $136.00
  OTEK Chinese to English Translation (ETEN DOS) Basic version       $136
  KS ENGLISH TO CHINESE TRANSLATION (MS C-Windows 3.1 required)      $550.00
      It offers a very natural translation.  Requires Microsoft Chinese
      Windows 3.1 to run. Ask for sample translation sheet.
  KS CHINESE TO ENGLISH TRANSLATION (MS C-Windows 3.1 required)      $650.00

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* Learning Language *
*********************

  CD-ROM Lexicomp Talking Dictionary (In Chinese)                     $45.00
  CD-ROM Around the World 80 Days (In Chinese)                        $30.00
  CD-ROM English+FUN(2)  learn English with multi-media technology    $48.00
      English+FUN is a very interesting software.  Combine music, Films,
      Stories and Games.  Interactively teaches you how to speak and
      read English. (MS Windows 3.1 required) (Chinese display)
  CD-ROM SIX Languages - stories    (display in English)              $10.00
      Tells many classical stories in six languages of your choice.
      English, Chinese, Japaneses....
  CD-ROM SIX Languages - Conversation   (English display)             $10.00
      Pronounce useful day to day sentences in six languages of your choice.

******************
* Entertainments *
******************

  Chinese Chess III (DOS version)                                    $44.00
      Support Sound Blaster. 70% English screen. Easy to use. VGA displaies.
      Good for advance player and beginner as well.  Beautiful graphic and
      36 opponents to choose from. (We have book that can teaches you 
      how to play Chinese Chess, call for price.  It is in English)
  Chinese Chess book                                                 $12.00
      In English.  Teaches you how to play this popular Chinese Chess game.
  Mah-Jong   (Chinese display)  (SOLD OUT)                           $19.00
      DOS version. The most popular Chinese board game. Color screen.
      New version will be available soon.
  C-Games #1                                                         $5.00
      Chinese related Shareware Games. Board Games etc... Some are in
      Chinese and some are in English.
  Many game software available                                       CALL


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* Educational *
***************

  CD-ROM 5000 Years of Chinese Culture series 1 (Bilingual Edition)   $38.00
  CD-ROM 5000 Years of Chinese Culture series 2 (Bilingual Edition)   $38.00
      The most beautifully done Chinese CD-ROM series.  Chinese folktale
      such as The Formation of the Earth(1) and The Great Flood of China(2).
      With animations and interactive technology, you and your child can
      learn about Chinese culture and language while either enjoying the
      exciting story of Tony's trip back in time, or through the interactive
      storyteller. Keep your youngest happy for monthes.
      This is a English/Mandarin Chinese bilingual product.
  CD-ROM 5000 Years of Chinese Culture series 1 (Chinese Edition)     $58.00
      This version has more than just the interactive storyteller. It has
      Karaoke and Games.  The whole family can be blessed by the CD-ROM.
      (Mandarin/Taiwaness switchable during play)
  CD-ROM Chinese Festivals   8 major Chinese holidays (In Chinese)   $48.00
      Introduce to you the eight most important Chinese Festivals such
      as New Year and Moon Festivals.  After hundreds of year, time makes
      each festival very unique. Each festival has its own music,
      history background, food and games. Good for ABC, Chinese school,
      Chinese study and library collection.
  CD-ROM 300 Chinese Poems (In Chinese)                               $25.00
      300 poems are indexed in authord, time and type.  Beautiful 
      display and music.
  CD-ROM Chinese Proverbs in Stories (In Chinese)                     $25.00
      Indexed for fast search. More you read these stories more you 
      will become a true Chinese. Do you want to know why Chinese 
      think differently from westenner? Have you wonder why Chinese acts 
      such way that is so different from other races?
  CD-ROM Chinese Folk Arts (English Edition)                          $25.00
      Good for school and library.  A good media to understand 
      Chinese culture.  Sound, music and many pictures.
  CD-ROM Chinese folk Arts (Chinese Edition)                          $25.00
  CD-ROM War Strategy of Sun_Chi                                      $25.00
      Yes, you war lovers have to read this.  Sun_Chi is the greatest
      General in Chinese history.  If you want to learn how Chinese 
      make their moves during the war, study General Sun_Chi's strategies.
  CD-ROM Children's Song                                              $20.00
  CD-ROM Ancient Chinese Beauties                                     $20.00
  CD-ROM Practical Encyclopedia                                       $25.00
  CD-ROM Chinese Pictures CD-ROM (Travel to China)                    $10.00
      Hundreds color picture of beautiful China scenery.
  CD-ROM Chinese Common Idiom and Games    (English display)          $10.00
      Like "Interactive Chinese CD-ROM".  It teachs Chinese through
      Common Idiom.  Few Games are included to keep user interested.
  CD-ROM Chinese Recipes      (English display)                       $10.00
      Get this if you like Chinese food.  Color pictures.
  CD-ROM Paintings by Madame Chiang                                   $10.00
  CD-ROM Taiwan Country Music 1                                       $10.00
      Many popular Chinese musics played by Moscow City Orchestra.
  CD-ROM Taiwan Country Music 2                                       $10.00
  CD-ROM China Bookshelf (English version)                            $75.00
                         (Chinese version)                            $75.00
      Subjects included: China Atlas, Nationalities of China, China
      Attractions, China Wild Animals, Historical Chinese Architecture,
      Classical Chinese Music, Chinese Cooking, 5,000 words Audio-Visual
      Chinese-English Dictionalry. English Windows 3.1 and Sound card
      required.
  CD-ROM China Tour (1)  "Capital - Beijing"                          $35.00
      500 pictures, musical, movies, articles, narrative and user switchable
      Chinese/English mode.  This is a very detailed travel guide to the
      China's most beautiful city - Beijing. Subjects include people, places,
      music, food, arts and more.  English Windows 3.1, CD-ROM player and
      Sound card  required.
  CD-ROM China Tour (2)  "Greatest Man Made Stone-Carving Caves"      $35.00
      5 most amazing man made stone-carving caves in China. Hundreds of
      pictures, musical, articles and narrative.  For serious artists or
      those who can appreciate stone carving.  (Chinese display)


*************************************
* Chinese Systems for the Macintosh *
*************************************

  MacChina (Basic version)                                           $95.00
      This Chinese system provides an interface between Macintosh and user.
      Allows user use Macintosh to input and output Chinese. Comes with
      one Bit-Map font (Fong Song). Three input methods: BoPoMoFo,
      Tsang-Chi and Tsang-Chi easy.  Hardware requirement: Mac+, SE, Clasic,
      SE/30, LC, IIcx, IIsi, IIci, IIx, IIfx, Protable...
      Use with System 6.0X or 7.0.  1MB RAM, 20MB HD.  Printer supports:
      Laser Writer, ImageWriter I & II, StyleWriter.  Can be used with
      Finder 6.0X; System 6.0x or above.  If use System 6.0x, need System
      Font/DA Mover 3.8 (or above). Big5 code. 13053 characters.
  MacChina Junior (Junior version)                                   $295.00
      Like Basic version.  Comes with one font.  Two more input methods:
      PinYin and Phrase.
  MacChina Junior Site License (Junior version)                      $75.00
  MacChina Pro (Pro version)                                         $645.00
      Like Junior version. Five fonts: Sing, Kai, Li, Song, Fong Song.
      User may create their own fonts.
  MacChina Pro Site License (Pro version)                            $160.00
  MacChina (Pro-T V5.1)                                              $800.00
      Most easy and powerful Chinese system for Macintosh. Works
      on any Macintosh with 4MB RAM, System 7.1, LaserWriter 7.1 or
      7.2 and 10MB hard disk space.
      Comes with many input methods include English to Chinese.
      Works with hundreds of Macintosh English softwares such as MS 
      word 4.0/5.0/5.1, MacWrite, TurboWriter, WordPerfect, 
      PageMaker 4.2, QuarkXpress 3.1/3.11/3.2, Publish It!Easy, Excel 
      1.5/2.2/3.0/4.0, Photoshop, MacDrawII/MacDraw Pro, ...
  15 True Type Fonts for MacChina Pro-T                              $1170.00
      15 font styles of traditional Chinese characters. Hei, Ming, 
      Round, Kai, Sing, Song, Li....
  1 True Type Font for MacChina Pro-T                                $120.00
      1 Simplified font style (Ming)
  MacChina Pro-T + 16 True Type Fonts (Limited Quantity)            $1500.00
  Upgrade Pro to Pro-T + 15 Traditional Fonts                        $995.00
      Please return the KeyDisk.
  CD-ROM Chinese Festivals   8 major Chinese holidays (In Chinese)   $48.00
      Introduce to you the eight most important Chinese Festivals such
      as New Year and Moon Festivals.  After hundreds of year, time makes
      each festival very unique. Each festival has its own music,
      history background, food and games. Good for ABC, Chinese school,
      Chinese study and library collection.

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*  Input Methods  *
*******************

  CD-ROM  NewTek input methods for MS C-Windows 3.1 (on CD-ROM)      $19.00
      Add PinYin, Cantoness PinYin, Five strocks, Mouse and many other input
      methods onto your Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.1.  You can even add
      your frequent used phrases into the input method for faster input.
      Good news.  With this Cd-ROM, you get 54 Chinese TTF free. (Each
      TTF has 2000 characters)
      -- You may also create your very own personal input method --
  PinYin/BoPoMoFo input methods for MS C-Windows 3.1                 $48.00
      Not a regular input method.  It is using the AI technology so
      that you may input 100% faster than regular PinYin method.
      It is smarter than phrase input method.
  Learn BoPoMoFo input method (CAI)                                  $19.00
      Through games and lessons interacitvely teaches you how to input
      Chinese fast.
  Learn Chai-Chi input method (DOS) (CAI)                            $19.00
************  HAND WRITING INPUT
  Mo-Hai hand writing input system                                   $59.00
  ETEN hand writing input system                                     $280.00
  MonTen hand V3.0 (Pen P Wer) writing input system (DOS/Windows)    $249.00
  MonTen hand V1.0 (Pen P Wer) writing input system (Mac)            $249.00
************  VOICE INPUT
  Big Mouth voice input system for DOS and MS C-Win                  $380.00
  ETEN voice input system for ETEN and MS C-Win                      $380.00
************  BOOKS
  Input Method book                                                  $15.00
      Many input method books available.
  
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* Chinese Windows 3.1 (works with English Windows) *
****************************************************

  NewWin Chinese Word Processor for English Windows 3.1 & OS/2       $10.00
      You may not believe your eyes.  However, this low low priced
      word processor for your English Windows 3.1 and OS/2 is the best
      entry lever Chinese software. Edit a Chinese letter or print a
      Chinese report will be easy and cheap. Comes with 24x24 BitMap font.
  Union Way Chinese Windows   (TRY AND BUY)                          $15.00
      The most wonderful Chinese Windows available.  Many input methods
      to help you start your Chinese computing.  Making report, newsletter,
      FAX or poster.  Works with many popular English programs such MS word,
      Excell, CorelDraw and PageMaker.
      A Complete working demo except printing function disabled.
      9 diskes. Full manual. Try it, if you like it, buy the complete version
      and has 9.00 off the regular price.
  Union Way Chinese Windows SUPER-PACK
      Prof. version + Font Maker (basic) + 4 traditional + 
      4 simplified Chinese True Type fonts only                      $249.00
      Do you want to write Chinese love letter to a friend? Have you 
      ever dreamed that one day you may use your PageMaker 5.0 to publish
      a Chinese Newsletter for your club? Do you have a copy of Windows 3.1 
      in you PC compatable PC? This Chinese Windows is the answers.
      Works with your English Microsoft Windows 3.1 and 3.11.
      Allows hundreds of your English Windows software to show Chinese
      on the screen and print Chinese on paper.  Also provides a very
      popular True Type Chinese font (Black). Now supports CorelDraw 6.0.
      Comes with English to Chinese, PinYin phrase, BoPoMoFo phrase and
      few other popular Chinese input methods. You may create your own
      input methods and create your own phrase input methods.  Each phrase
      input method has 50,000 + phrases that can really speed up your input.
      Many features that TwinBridge or MS Chinese Windows 3.1 can 
      not provide. Loaded features with smallest cost.
      Are you good at Chinese? Would you like to write Chinese letter to
      friends? This version has a very nice input method that allows you to
      input English word and it will translates for you into Chinese.
  TwinBridge CHINESE WINDOWS V3.3  /11 BITMAP FONTS                  $96.00
      English manual. Works on top of the MS English/Chinese Windows 3.1.
      Supports Mainland and Taiwan input methods plus a special Engslih
      to Chinese input method (enter "LOVE", system will show Chinese).
      Supports both Taiwan and Mainland China text file. Allows 80% 
      of the English Windows 3.X softwares on the market to take Chinese
      as input and Chinese as output.  The only Chinese environment supports
      Windows For Workgroup 3.11. Made in U.S.A.
  TwinBridge V3.3   /6 OUTLINE FONTS                                 $196.00
      Comes with 3 simp. and 3 trad. outline fonts. Plus a dictionary
      Manager and Font Editor free.
  More Outline fonts for TwinBridge (Three fonts package)            $99.00

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* Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.1  *
**********************************

  Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.1                                      $198.00
       No need for more introduction.  It is the REAL THING!
       From Microsoft.  Supported by many software venders in Taiwan.
       If you are looking for professional quality output, this is it!
  Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.1 (Simplified Character Version)       $198.00
      Same as standard version except it is designed with Mainland
      China user in mind. Simplified character screen display. Comes
      with many Mainland China input methods.

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*  Chinese True Type Fonts, Fonts, Font Utilities  *
****************************************************

  CD-ROM AllTrue I (30 Chinese True Type fonts)                      $149.00
     You get 30 traditional (15000 characters) Chinese True Type fonts
     on one CD-ROM.  The best product for those who need all kind of fonts
     but not have enough hard disk space.  You don't have to install the
     fonts onto your harddisk drive, use directlly form CD-ROM.
  CD-ROM AllTrue II (19 Chinese True Type fonts)                     $65.00
     13 Traditional and 6 Simplified fonts.
  AllTrue True Type Chinese for MS Chinese Windows       Each Font   $65.00
     Li, Bold Hei, Sing, Bold Round, Bold Ming, Overlay Bold Round and
     Bold Flyer. Each Ocean True Type font style has additional hundreds
     of useful symbols that might help you create professional looking
     outputs. No copy protection.
  UnionWay Chinese Fonts for Microsoft Chinese Windows   Each pack   $150.00
      Order any pack now and get a $199.00 UW Chinese Windows tool box
      basic version FREE! Each pack contains 4 styles. 13000 characters
      per font style.
     (Traditional) Pack #1 Ming, Song, Kai and Hei;
                   Pack #2 Li, Sing, Round and Bold Hei;
                   Pack #5 Wei, New, bold Round, Thick Hei;
                   Pack #6 Super Thick Ming, Hei and Sing, Overlapping Round;
                   Pack #8 Old 1, Old 2, Poster, Point Li;
     (Simplified)  Pack #B Song, Fong Song, Kai and Hei;
                   Pack #C Sing Kai, Li, Wa, Round;

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* Chinese Systems for MS-DOS *
******************************

  ETEN CHINESE SYSTEM V3.5 for Microsoft DOS                         $65.00
      The most popular Chinese system in the world. Comes with 6 style
      Chinese fonts.  Supports faster PinYin and many other standard
      input methods.  Better memory usage.
  ETEN 24 Chinese System V3.5                                        $128.00
      Utilize your SVGA 1028 x 768 display.  Easy on your eyes, display
      beautiful and large 24x24 Chinese on screen. Comes with a very
      beautiful and enlargeable Chinese font.
  ETEN BoPoMoFo V3.5                                                 $120.00
      Will print BoPoMoFo beside your Chinese characters. Package also
      includes a DTP software.

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*  Christian Software  *
************************

  PC Bible (DOS version)                                             $10.00
      English/Chinese Bible text.  It is a Public Domain software.
      Requires DOS based Chinese system such as ETEN, KC to run.
  PC Bible (MS Chinese Windows version)                              $59.00
      Requires Microsoft Chinese Windows 3.1 to run.  Chinese/English
      Bible text. Search words, take notes or print verses.
  PC Bible (TwinBridge Chinese Windows version)                      $59.00
  BIble tools (MS Chinese Windows 3.1 required)                      $290.00
      Fast search. Chinese/English.
  CD-ROM Karaoke Gospel Songs (Jesus In China I)                     $10.00
  CD-ROM Karaoke Gospel Songs (Jesus In China II)                    $10.00
  CD-ROM Karaoke Gospel Songs (Jesus In China III)                   $10.00
  CD-ROM Karaoke Gospel Songs (Sing & Praise)                        $10.00
      Just like you are owning a Laser Karaoke system at home. Music only.

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*  Other Software  *
********************

  WordExpress                                                         $5.00
      This English wordprocessor has been tested on Microsoft Chinese
      Windows 3.1 and work very well. Features rich as MS Word for Windows.
  Chinese Word Processor (DOS, ETEN Chinese system)                  $30.00
      Are you looking for a true Chinese Word Processor for your
      ETEN Chinese system? This is a powerful yet very low priced
      Chinese word processor. Enough for a writer.
  CWD Chinese wordprocessor                                          $5.00
      This is a shareware Chinese wordprocessor.  No Chinese system
      needed.  You may star input, output Chinese right away. Nothing
      else to buy. (a final version is  $59.00)
  Public Domain Games collections #1-#15                             $5.00
      Good games. (Not Chinese games.)  Most are action type games.
      Good graphic and sound supported.  Each disk is full of files.

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* OTHER LANGUAGES *
*******************

  Japanese wordprocessor for MS-DOS (a P.D. software)                $5.00
  Korean wordprocessor for MS-DOS (a P.D. software)                  $5.00
  Viet-Nam wordprocessor for MS-DOS (a P.D. software)                $5.00
  Hebrew wordprocessor for MS-DOS (a P.D. software)                  $5.00

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  Many other Chinese CD-ROM, educational, wordprocessor etc... softwares
  are available, Please Call!
  If you can read Chinese or someone can translate for you, in our Chinese
  edition of the catalog, hundreds of Chinese softwares are available from
  Data Station.  Please call for more information.

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From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Tue Jul 25 03:12:44 1995
Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:51:48 +0900
Reply-To: Guan Yang <guan@SPARC5C3.UMDS.AC.JP>
Sender: Chinese Computing Network <CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
From: Guan Yang <guan@SPARC5C3.UMDS.AC.JP>
Subject:      Re: Chinese programs on PC
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Status: R

Hi, here are something about Chinese DTP programs on PC:
        1. BeiDaFangZheng , a DTP system (running on Windows, I think)
developed by Beijing Univ for professional use. It has a plenty of fonts,
and is said to be used by several major newpaper agency in China. There is
a official dealer in Japan, so there maybe one in U.S. too.  The output of
it is really beautiful, and it is Expensive!
        2. Aldus Pagemaker for Windows. Although it does not formally
support Chinese, it deserves to have a test. I have been using PageMaker
for Mac ( Japanese Version, does not formally support Chinese too) for
years  and it works very good.

If you are using a Macintosh, you can have Chinese version of PageMaker or
Quark Xpress.  I have no idea about is there any Chinese version of these
softwares on Windows.

By the way, does anyone know where can I find a truetype PinYin font ?

>Hi, I am looking for a chinese software on PC for desk publishing
>purpose. It's input methods should include both pingying and wubi (five
>strokes). And it has vector fonts of both simplified and complex
>chinese characters. It should also support graphics and English and
>other languages (such as French). Please let me know if you know any such
>software (either commercial or freeware). Thanks.

----------------------------------------------------
Yang GUAN  (KAN YOU)
University of Marketing & Distribution Sciences  (UMDS)
 3-1,Gakuen-Nishi-Machi,Nishi-Ku,Kobe 651-21,JAPAN
Tel: 078-794-3517 ext.656,   Fax: 078-794-3054
 E-mail : guan@umds.ac.jp
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From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sat Aug 12 02:11:24 1995
Date:         Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:42:16 -0800
Reply-To: g3105@ROSE.CNC.AC.CN
Sender: Chinese Computing Network <CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
From: Ting Wang <g3105@ROSE.CNC.AC.CN>
Subject:      Thanks for all helps to me on reading BIG-5 on-line.
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Status: R

Hi, every friends,

After I sent my request, many kind friends reply to me directly, giving me
advice on how to read BIG-5 characters on my system. There are mainly two
solutions. One is Uniway system, another is SimpTerm communication software.
I have downloaded both of them and tried. Uniway does not work with my system,
that is P-Windows 3.1 with Procomm Plus for Windows. With Uniway, I still can't
read ACT news group alt.chinese.text.big5. SimpTerm works fine.

As I am running SimpTerm on P-Win 3.1, it is convient for me to select default
font of SimpTerm as BIG-5, thus I can view both HZ and BIG-5 characters in ACT
news at the *same time*.

But SimpTerm is too simple. As an user of Procomm Plus for Windows, I am used tomost powerful function provided by it, such as CAPTURE, DIAING DIRECTORIES, etc.SimpTerm is just for viewing, it is not so convient and powerful for Internet
use. But what I can do now?

I know most Internet users in China are using UCDOS+ZWDOS+PROCOMM(for DOS). The
reason why they do not switch to powerful MS-Windows platform to access internetis mainly the problem of Chinese characters displaying. There are GB, HZ, nad
BIG-5 on Internet. These are meaningless to us if we only use P-Win and
general communication software. Thus, there are many kind volunteers providing
solutions on Internet. But when can we have a final solution, to read Chinese
without caring for coding on Internet? Will  Microsoft develop such Windows
for us, that has all sets of codes and can process, convert, display all sets
of codes of Chinese characters * at the same time*? Or will any software
company in China can provide such products based on both P-Win and C-Win?
Only in this way, we can access Internet with any general communication
softwares to read chinese easily.

All my regards and thanks to those friends who helped me.

Ting Wang, g3105@rose.cnc.ac.cn


From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Fri Oct  6 10:52:07 1995
Reply-To: Yuan Jiang <yjj@ENG.UMD.EDU>
Sender: Chinese Computing Network <CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
From: Yuan Jiang <yjj@ENG.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Review of Chinese Windows 95, by Mr. Wang
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Status: RO

From: (Lao Wang)
Subject: Something about Win95 in China

---------Begin
Win95 is hot now. And it is said the Chinese version will be announced
in few months. As I have the chance to install it on many PCs and use
it for about a month, I wish to introduce something about Win95. Wish
this helpful to Chinese users.

Win95 is more powerful and safe, and easy to use if you are familiar
with old Windows versions. But it has some special properties which
might be unconvenient to domestic users in China mainland. The reason
is mainly because that the most softwares and hardwares are not very
standard, or compatiable, not developed strictly according to
compatiability demand, and Win95 will check these softwares and
hardwares out as something might working un-normally which will cause
system errors.

For instance, there is one compatiable 486/33 PC with 8MB RAM and 400MB
HDD running with Win95. Win95 often fails to pass starting-up
self-checking and enters the safe mode. The same PC works well with
P-Win 3.x. It takes me a long time to find the reason: the external cache
is set to ON and should be set to OFF, because most IC-chips adopted to
be external cache in the machines sold in China are not working steadily.

After I change the CMOS setting to disable the external cache, Win95
prompts me that the display setting is not correct. This PC use a VL-bus
Trident TVGA 8900C card, which supports 800x600(65536 color) display mode
under P-Win 3.x. But since the driver is not compatiable with Win95 and
Win95 does not provide all drivers for all OEM display cards, I have to
change the display mode to 800x600(256 color).

Then the PC is suffered from softwares. Most foreign softwares such as
MS WORD, EXCEL, ProComm Plus, PhotoStyler work very well both in Win 3.x
and Win95. But some softwares developed by some Chinese companies report
un-compatiability. I know it is more difficult for Chinese developers to
develop softwares for Windows as we are lack of tools and knowledges of
resources, also lack of time and money to do necessary tests and
improvments. The Chinese versions of Win95, MS Word, Excel are all
experienced long and wide-area Beta tests in China by Chinese users.

Win95 is a challenge and chance to Chinese users and computer related
enterprises. To make full use of Win95, the users will need more
compatialbe and reliable softwares and hardwares. I am one of the first
Chinese users of Microsoft's products and have successfully developed a
muti-media database system under Windows 3.x from 1991 to 1993, so I wish
we can hold this chance, to seek more co-operation with Microsoft and
other foreign companies to make Chinese users enjoy Win95 and computers
well. Will Microsoft sponsor some selected Chinese companies to develop
better softwares and hardwares? I wish some friends there can pass the
suggestion above to Bill Gates. ;-)

--------End

Wang


From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Thu Oct 19 15:52:20 1995
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Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 03:47:02 +0800
Reply-To: Y M Chan <chanym@HK.SUPER.NET>
Sender: Chinese Computing Network <CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
From: Y M Chan <chanym@HK.SUPER.NET>
Subject:      Chinese Mac products
Comments: cc: chinese-mac@YorkU.CA
To: Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L <CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Status: R

Hello netters,

Last time when I did the Chinese computing usage survey, a lot of interests
were generated concerning Chinese software for the Macintosh. I have
received many queries on how to obtain those products (Chinese Nisus
Writer, Chinese PageMaker, Chinese QuarkXPress, Chinese WordPerfect,
Chinese ClarisWorks, etc.)

I have prepared the following contact lists for software vendors in Hong
Kong. So you can give them a call/fax on how to obtain Chinese software for
Macintosh. Sorry that I did not dig deeper on who carries what as most of
them are dealers and carry not only one brand.

If any fellow netter in Taiwan can come up with similar list, we'd all be
much grateful.

====================
Hong Kong:
o APDA Hong Kong/ Mr Thomson Lee/ T:(852)2730-7873 /F:(852)2730-5025
o Automated Systems/ Mr Ringo Hung/T:(852)2601-6998 /F:(852)2601-6936
o Business Essence Ltd/ Mr Alan Chan/T:(852) 2415-2113 /F:(852)2413-0651
o Glory Tech Int'l/ Mr Tom Lam, K.K. Chang/T:(852)2302-1489 /F:(852)2375-6213
o JOS/ Mr Ken Siu /T:(852)2880-3118 /F:(852)2516-9158
o PacRim Technologies/ Mr Henry Cheuk /T:(852)2832-9322 /F:(852)2838-3603
o Polaroid Far East/ Ms Denise Alfano /T:(852)2894-0322 /F:(852)2895-1382
o SiS International Ltd/ Ms. Sherry Chan /T:(852)2565-1682 /F:(852)2562-7428
o SystemPro Computers Ltd/ Ms. Cindy Wong /T: (852) 590-8218 /F:(852)805-5755
o Tech Pacific/ Mr Simon Cheung /T:(852)2564-9200 /F:(852)2561-6537
o Trend Enterprises/ Mr Bobby Cheng /T:(852)2950-6888 /F:(852)2950-6889
o Tricom Computer/ Ms Lydia Tse /T:(852)2881-4882 /F:(852)2882-3373

Hope this helps.

Y M Chan
HK SuperNet

From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Sun Dec  8 21:42:41 1996
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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:25:11 +0800
Reply-To: Jake Morrison <Jacob.Morrison@CDC.COM>
Sender: Chinese Computing Network <CCNET-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
From: Jake Morrison <Jacob.Morrison@CDC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Chinese OCR
Comments: To: Lars Bo Christensen <larsbo@vip.cybercity.dk>
Comments: cc: Boon Kang <BOONKANG@BCSC02.GOV.BC.CA>
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Status: RO

Lars Bo,

ComStar sells a lot of Chinese (and other language) software, including
Dan Ching OCR. Have a look at http://www.gy.com/ccd/cos1.htm

Some other contact info:
                                  info@gy.com
                          phone us at +1 408-257-9480
                    or FAX your request to +1 408-446-5359.
              20432 Silverado Ave., Suite 212, Cupertino, CA 95014
          All contents Copyright =A9 1995,1996 ComStar Company, U.S.A.

It looks like Dynalab
(http://www.dynalab.com/dynalab1/csoft/danchin.html)
also resells Dan Chin.

Regards,
Jake

> On 96.12.07 01:04, "Lars Bo Christensen" <larsbo@vip.cybercity.dk>
wrote:
>Jake Morrison wrote:
>> I could probably track the company's address down if you are
interested...
>Hi Jake
>Thanks for the answer!
>If you can find the adress that would be very nice :)
>Sincerely   Lars Bo
>

--
Jacob Morrison
Control Data Asia/Pacific Region         E-mail: Jacob.Morrison@cdc.com

From owner-ccnet-l@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Thu Jan 16 15:20:37 1997
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Date:         Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:12:26 -0800
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From: Charles Ma <charlma@MICROSOFT.COM>
Subject:      Re: How to read Chinese in NT Netscape
Comments: To: Ji Zhang <zhang@TAPPET.IME.NRC.CA>
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Status: R

Why not use IE? Install language pack (incl. Gb and big5) from NT CD, then all set. Plus, IE is free.

Charles Ma
Microsoft Consulting Services
Microsoft Corporation

Disclaimer: All posts to the Internet represent my own opinion.
----------
From:  Ji Zhang [SMTP:zhang@TAPPET.IME.NRC.CA]
Sent:  Thursday, January 16, 1997 9:13 AM
To:  Multiple recipients of list CCNET-L
Subject:  Re: How to read Chinese in NT Netscape

>Anybody know how to setup the Chinese font in the Netscape Navigator
>(Windows NT version) so I can read chinese in my netscape browser?
 Good question. It seems nobody on CCNET knows.

>on NT, even I put the Chinese font in /windows/fonts directory,
>I could not see it in the netscape fonts preference window.
 NT 3.51 or NT 4.0* ?
 did you run control.exe to install font to Windows environment ?
 or run self extracting  MS font ie3lpkcn.exe ?
 ie3lpkcn.exe needs NT 4.0* :-(

 So far, I have not seen any Chinese chars in netscape
 window on NT 3.51 that I use :-(

Ji Zhang

From wenlin@wenlin.com Thu Jun 19 15:12:36 1997
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:58:59 -0700 (PDT)
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From: Thomas Bishop <wenlin@wenlin.com>
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Werner Lemberg <xlwy01@uxp1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de> wrote:
>
>Morituri salutant!
>
>
>Either this list is no longer existent, or you all have passed away...
>
>A few years ago a professor of HongKong has presented an intelligent tool
>for converting GB to Big5 using some word patterns.
>
>Has somebody still some information on this? I remember that it was
>special to a certain operating system (Sun I think), and that I was not
>able to port it (which I believe has changed meanwhile :-), thus I deleted
>the stuff again.
>
>
>    Werner

Women hai huozhe ne!

I don't know anything about the HongKong GB to Big5 converter, though
there seem to be a lot of converters around.

My company's program, Wenlin Software for Learning Chinese, can do
conversion between simple and full form characters (and thus
between GB and Big5, as well as Unicode), that is semi- "intelligent" in
two respects:

(1) it recognizes multisyllable words like TOUFA 'hair', to determine
the appropriate full form character for FA; and

(2) when the context does not permit automatic disambiguation, the
program prompts the user to determine which character is correct. For
example, if the simple form of the character FA as in TOUFA 'hair'
and in FAXIAN 'discover' needs to be converted into a full form
character, but the surrounding characters don't combine with it to
make a word in the dictionary (like TOUFA or FAXIAN), then the user
must decide, based on an understanding of the context, between the
two full form characters.

However, Wenlin wasn't designed just to be a GB to Big5 converter, so
it's not streamlined for that task; you have to open the GB file by
choosing Open from the File menu; then make a full form copy by
choosing Make Full Form Copy from the Edit menu; and finally save it
as a Big5 file by choosing Save As from the File menu. Wenlin runs
under Macintosh or DOS.

Zhu hao,

Tangmu

Wenlin Institute, Inc.         Software for Learning Chinese
4405 Walnut St. Oakland, CA 94619      Phone: (510) 534-1675
E-mail: wenlin@wenlin.com         Web: http://www.wenlin.com



