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Dear friends,

There is a typo in my previouse announcement about the termination of
council@ifcss.org as the public net. 

> From now on, the address "account@ifcss.org" will be functioning ...
                            ^^^^^^^

where "account" should be "council".  

Now, council-l@ifcss.org is the Council's communications net with public
auditing, and "council@ifcss.org" collects public opinions/comments.

Thanks to Chen Dong for pointing that out.

I apologize for the mistake.


Yungui Ding

From TWP66@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU  Sun Aug  8 01:28:41 1993
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I will be in the conference.
Phone: (515)296-7691

Yungui



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Since the list of phone numbers of the teleconference attendees will
have to be sent to the phone company ahead of time.

The deadline to report to the conference: 


Tuesday, AUg 10, 1993,  12pm midnight.


Yungui

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Dear colleagues:
 Please read Ifcss financial regulation(in council package) and 4th term fin
financial report( as a reference) very carefully. If you have any concern or
amendment,please contect members in financial committee. BE READY, for examining
and approving this term Ifcss budget ( I believe HQ will post it on few days).


ZHOU HONGGUANG, QI BING: I've faxed the budget and financial report from 3rd 
and 4th term to you as references for we pre-examine HQ financial plan(the draft
on your hand).We shall get the job down by end of this weekend and have a tele -
meeting to finish 1)the reference of HQ budget to council 2)amendment of Ifcss 
financial regulation 3)the resolutions from our committee for financial problems
ext..  I've discussed, applied, and approved the meeting with councilchair Dong Liqun.Now   
I am waiting for  finishing our work on hand.  
Please call me when things down. Thank you.                T.Shen 8/5/93
    

    I am very sorry this mail been delayed. Bacause of mistake of computer
    system.                                                T.Shen 8/7/93


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Hi,Yungui:
Thank you for the name list. My phone # for tele-conference 
is (619)658-0421.
Am I in council-l net list? I had truble in posting e-mail
on last Thursday.       T.Shen 8/7/93

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I will attend the teleconference at (617)773-2753

Songlin Ren



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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 93 10:09:58 -0700
From: Guyang Matthew Huang <ghuang@carson.u.washington.edu>
To: calboard@goren.u.washington.edu
Cc: dlq@u.washington.edu
Subject: the collaboration proposal to IFCSS failed

HI Board colleagues,

I'm very sorry to tell you the bad news that our collaboration proposal
to IFCSS is not gonna get through.

I talked to Lin Chengsheng, the current IFCSS president today. He's only
interested to fund the summer workshop/seminar project, which is fine
with me (since it's their money, it's their decision). However, he wants
us to write a very detailed proposal in both Chinese and English in a `short period of time so that IFCSS would take to Taiwan to apply for grant. I told
him that we don't have such a human resource to do that. Also, I don't
feel comfortable for CAL to get fund from the "san1 min2 zhu3 yi4 da3
tong2 meng2" (semi-official org of Taiwan). At that point Lin Changsheng
lost his temper and became hasty over the phone.  I hang up on him,
feeling that the conversation won't be productive anymore.

So you can say I brew it up or screwed up. My sense was that we won't get
much (a coupld of hundred) anyway. If they treat CAL as their subordinates,
we might just forget about it as well, since what we proposed was a
collaboration on equal base, and we stated explicitly it's IFCSS' job to
get the fund, not CAL. I don't feel like CAL should be the part to ahelp
IFCSS to get the Taiwan money.

I leave it for your comment and judgement.

Guyang
Cc: IFCSS Council speaker



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To:      IFCSS Council (5th Term)
Date:    August 9, 1993
Re:      Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS

Dear Members of IFCSS Council:

I hereby nominate the following persons to fill the offices in the
executive department of this term IFCSS and hope that they will
receive your favorate consideration. Please contact me if you have
any questions in this respect.

Sincerely,

Lin Changsheng
President of IFCSS

===================================================================

               Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
         (A proposal submitted to IFCSS Council for approval)

                      August 1, 1993

                          
                    Headquarters Office
                    -------------------

          President:   Lin Changsheng  (full time)
     Vice President:   Shi Heping      (temporary)
 Executive Director:   Liu Xiaozhu     (full time)
     Chief of Staff:   Huang Songyun   (full time)
         Newsletter:   Zhang Qingsong  (part time)
          Treasurer:   Jiang Zuihong   (part time)


                    Working Committees
                    ------------------

   Human Rights Committee:                Xiao Qiang
   Government Affairs Committee:          Liu Xiaozhu
   Grassroots Organizations Committee:    Huang Songyun
   Post Graduation Liaison Committee:     Deng Yuanpei
   Fund Raising Committee:                Shi Heping
   Theoretic Research Committee:          Wu Tao
   IFCSS Newsletter Editor in Chief:      Zhang Qingsong
   Chinese Community Information Center:  Ding Jian

P.S.  Budget proposal and HQ working plan will be sent to you later.
Thanks.


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SUBJECT:	Proposal for the Professional Affairs Committee (PAC),
		the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and 
		scholars (IFCSS)

FROM:	Dr. Yanpei Deng, nominee for the chairman of PAC, 
		the Oak Ridge National Laboratory

TO:		IFCSS HQ AND IFCSS Council

DATE:	August 11, 1993


I.	INTRODUCTION

	It has been four years since IFCSS was founded in 1989.  Since 
then, large number of Chinese students and scholars (CSS) have 
graduated from schools and started their professional career in the 
U.S.  Many of them are former IFCSS officials, the delegates of the 
previous IFCSS Congresses, and CSS who have supported and 
participated IFCSS and its activities.  These CSS are basically the 
people with advanced degrees and great deal of knowledge in their 
professional fields, some of them have already made great 
achievement.  

	For the past years, many CSS organizations have emerged as 
various fashions.  Some of the organization are established on the 
basis of common goals (e.g. Chinese Academy Link and China News 
Digest) or as fields of professions (e.g., the associations for political 
science and economics).  These two types are usually the nationwide 
organizations.  Their members are connected through the remote 
communication tools, such as, mail, computer networks and 
telecommunication facilities.  Generally, it is a loose connection.  The 
most majority of the organizations are formed on the basis of regions 
(e.g. East Tennessee Chinese Association and Midwest Chinese Science 
and Culture Association).  These regional organizations attract local 
CSS professionals and provide social, cultural, and entertaining 
opportunities for their members.  At same time, they also participate 
in the political activities involving their own interests both locally 
and nationally (e.g. CSPA lobby).

	It has been a common understanding both inside IFCSS and in 
general public among CSS that IFCSS must pay greater attention 
toward its grass root organizations and their needs.  The new IFCSS 
leadership has committed to work on this issue and put it as one of 
the highest priorities.  By doing so, two group of the CSS have to be 
considered.  One is the group of CSS who are still in the school, and 
certainly, another group are the those who have graduated.  The 
major task of the IFCSS Professional Affairs Committee (SHE4 TUAN2 
SHI4 WU4 GONG1 ZUO4 WEI3 YUAN2 HUI4 in Chinese), as the old 
name of the Professional Club, is to build the communication 
channels and strengthen the connections between IFCSS and the local 
CSS organizations; to increase IFCSS's influence among the CSS 
communities and in the American society.

	
II.	PLANS

1. Local CSS professional organizations

	PAC will emphasize on the local CSS professional organizations 
and encourage these organization to join IFCSS as members.  For the 
places where is no CSS organization exited, PAC will help to organize 
CSS in the towns, cities and regions.  The revised IFCSS charter 
during the third IFCSS Congress certainly has provided wider 
opportunity for these organizations involving IFCSS's activities.  
According to the suggests from IFCSS HQ and PAC's consideration, the 
membership fee can be collected on the basis of $10 per person 
through the local organizations as form of donation to IFCSS and the 
organizations will be registered with IFCSS as well.  PAC will improve 
the public outreach to introduce IFCSS and let CSS recognize IFCSS's 
achievements and activities.

	PAC will name four vice-chairpersons who will be in charge of 
East Coast, West Coast, Midwest, and South regions.  As a resident of 
the State of Tennessee, this nominee will involved daily operation of 
the Southeast region.

	Moreover, the IFCSS HQ is in the process of negotiation with the 
Asian American Association for the long distance telephone service.  
The IFCSS HQ and PAC have planned to provide telephone cards to 
the individuals whose organizations have joined IFCSS with charge in 
discount value.  The phone card can also be treated as identification 
of IFCSS membership.  In addition, IFCSS can financially benefit from 
the service as well.

2. IFCSS Golden Conference (IGC)

	Without exceptions, the CSS who come to the U.S. all face the 
enormous gaps between the east and west cultures as well as the 
different social values, social behavior and different societies.   
Although vary few incidents have happened, such as, the several 
suicides and homicides cases under the tremendous psychological 
stress which, more or less, may result from these cultural gaps, it has 
shocked the whole CSS communities.  It is our obligation, as part of 
CSS, to pay attention to these issues.  IGC will provide an opportunity 
for the CSS who have expertise in these fields to share their studies, 
to contribute and ease the CSS communities in this country.
q
	The China's economy has been booming for the past few years.  
Many CSS are interested in participating in this historical event.  IGC 
will also provide the platform for the discussion of the China's 
political reform and economic development.

	The name of Golden Conference is initially from a series 
conferences in the scientific world, which are usually held in small 
colleges during the season of summer vocation in order to save 
budget.  Generally, the conferences are in relatively causal fashions.  

	IGC will be held in a small college of a big city in the summer 
next year.  PAC will take the obligation for the found raising, and 
hopefully, IGC can also get financial support from IFCSS HQ.

	PAC form a IGC organization committee, including committee 
chairperson and several program chairpersons in charge of various 
sessions of sociology, psychology, political science, and economic, etc.

3. Professional Data Bank

	PAC will set a computerized CSS Professional Data Bank (PDB) 
to help the CSS professionals seeking employment in various fields.  
PDB will collect information from the CSS professional and provide 
the information to potential employers, the employment service 
agencies, and related information centers.  PDB will also provide the 
information to the different levels of governmental Human Resources 
Offices, companies, and information centers in China.  The service of 
PDB for CSS will be free of charge, however, fee will be charged for 
the information and service for these interested employers, agencies, 
and centers for their needs.

	PAC will name a director for the PDB and several associated 
directors in charge of the different field, such as, physical sciences, 
life sciences, social sciences, and engineering, etc.

4. Nationwide CSS professional organizations

	Most of the members of these national CSS organizations are 
also the members of the local CSS organizations.  As the nationwide 
organizations, they have made great progress in certain fields.  PAC 
will form an Advisory Board consist of the officials of these 
organizations in order to improve their communication and 
cooperation with IFCSS.  The advisors will be named by the joined 
invitation of the president of IFCSS and the chairman of PAC.

5. Legal advisor

	PAC will invite a U.S. law attorney as the legal advisor for 
handling the cases requiring legal service.


III.	CONCLUSION

	As a national organization for the CSS in the U.S., the future of 
IFCSS will be determined by the support and participation of large 
majority of the CSS in this country.  On the another hand, lot of CSS 
have realized that it is necessary having a such organization to 
protect their interest and to express their voice.  The driving force 
for CSS to involve the IFCSS activities has to be the combination of 
the basis of both spiritual and materialized values.  By recognizing 
the importance of the ordinary CSS and these basis, IFCSS shall have 
a bright future. 



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I will attend the teleconference meeting at 305-326-8902
Hongran Fan

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
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From: Guyang Matthew Huang <ghuang@carson.u.washington.edu>
To: dlq@u.washington.edu
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Subject: Incident of proposed collaboration b/w IFCSS and CAL

IFCSS council
c/o Council member Mr. Dong, Li-qun

Dear IFCSS Council,

Last week I presented a proposal to IFCSS HQ and Council for collaboration
b/w IFCSS and CAL on two academic echange projects. This morning I had 
a phone conversation with Mr. Lin Chengsheng, the IFCSS President on this
subject.

He told me that he's only interested to fund the summer workshop/seminar 
project, which is fine with me. However, he wants me to write a very 
detailed proposal in both Chinese and English in a short period of time 
so that IFCSS would take to somewhere else (my interpretation is Taiwan)
to apply for grant. I told him that we don't have such a human resource 
to do that. My rational is that what CAL proposed was a
collaboration on equal base, and we stated explicitly it's IFCSS' job to
get the fund, not CAL. At that point Lin Changsheng
lost his temper and became rude over the phone.  He told me if I present
the proposal, it's my job to do anything needs to be done. And if I
don't do it, he will have someone else to do it. It's a very
familiar tone he used to his colleagues within the IFCSS. When he started
to use nasty words over the phone, I hang up on him,
feeling that the conversation won't be productive anymore.

If the IFCSS executive officer treats CAL as their subordinates,
CAL would rather to seek funding somewhere else independently. So far
CAL appreciated the support and collaboration from IFCSS and does wish
the relationship could sustain and thrive. But the cooperation has to
be based on mutual respect. 

Guyang Huang
President, Chinese Academic Link
Cc: IFCSS HQ



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         The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars 
                          Service Fundation

             Sponsored by Hongran Fan, Second by Liqun Dong
      

     Whereas with the still increasing large Chinese population in America, 
the IFCSS, the only nation-wide Chinese Students and Scholars organization, 
should take on the responsibility to better serve this social group in addi-
tion to promote democracy in our homeland of China. 

     Whereas the history of the fundation of the IFCSS endowed her a distinct
characteristic, but its political actions are not adventageous under some 
current circumstance. In order to keep its political continuity yet increase
the participation of new-arrivals and encourage more supports from the United
States, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and our homeland China,

     It is resovled that the IFCSS must establish a Chinese Students and 
Scholars Service Fundation with a neutral image in order to unite and serve
a larger population of other groups, in the mean time, this Fundation can 
build up a good public relationship for the IFCSS an response for fund 
raising for the IFCSS.
     
      It is further resovled that this Service Fundation would have a dual 
relationships with the IFCSS, first is under the jurisdiction , and second is
cooperation. The daily operation of this Fundation would not under the 
direction of the IFCSS HQ or the IFCSS concil. This Fundation would be run by
the board of trustee which will be approved by th eIFCSS concil. The Fundation
will keep close professional relationship with the IFCSS , but the image to  
the outside population should be of a non-political and a pure interest group,
it would not be involved in any of the IFCSS political actions and declara-
tions. The Fundation 's income and donation would be transfered to the IFCSS 
based on the contract in accordance with the standard procedure which has 
been followed in the United States.



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I am not in finance committee. But for
> (5) Working Committees                                   $10,000
> (7) Project Assistants                                   $36,000

I think we need more detail. An estimate for each working committees.

>"The exchange and student services are the two most important tasks
>in this term. Considering the complication and burden of work in those
>two areas, I plan not to establish committees, but make the projects
>on a contract basis. The HQ will accept proposals and sign contract
>on a case by case basis."
These two projects are more important than a lot of other working 
committees,
They also need proved by the council. And as claimed, the personal
for these project are not selected yet. For the purpose for council
evaluation and fair bidding, I suggest HQ provide detail proposal for
this two project.



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To:    IFCSS Council
Date:  August 10, 1993
Re:    5th Term Budget Proposal

Dear Council Members:

The following is the 5th term budget proposal. I hope that it will be
approved in the upcoming First Council Teleconference. Thanks for your
consideration.

Sincerely,

Lin Changsheng
IFCSS President

======================================================================


                     The IFCSS Annual Budget

                    Fiscal Year of 1993-1994


A.   Revenue (Estimated)

     Donation from Society                               $120,000

     Student Service                                     $100,000

     Grant from Foundations                               $30,000

     Remaining Funds from Fiscal Year of 1992-1993        $69,500

     ============================================================
     Total Revenue                                       $319,500



B.   Expenditure

     Operation Cost                  Monthly             Annually

 (1) HQ Staff Compensation

     Four Full Time Staff Members
     and One Part Time Accountant    $2,000 X 4           $96,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $96,400


 (2) HQ Operating Cost

     Office Rent                                          $10,900

     Phone Bills                                          $15,000

     Mailing                                               $2,000

     Office Supply                                         $2,000

     Printing/Copying                                      $2,000

     Travel/Transportation                                $15,000

     Office Equipment                                      $3,000

     Miscellaneous                                         $5,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $54,900


 (3) Council (16 Members)

     Tele-Conference                                       $4,000

     Telephone Compensation                                $6,000

     Miscellaneous                                         $1,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $11,000


 (4) Supervisory Committee (5 Members)

     Tele-Conference                                         $800

     Telephone Compensation                                $1,800

     Miscellaneous                                           $200
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                              $2,800


 (5) Working Committees                                   $10,000


 (6) Newsletter                                           $18,000


 (7) Project Assistants                                   $36,000


 (8) Round-Table Meeting                                  $12,000


 (9) The 6th Congress                                     $60,000



     ============================================================
     Total Expenditure                                  $300,700 


C.  Surplus                                               $18,800

------------------------------------------------------------------

Note:   I forgot to put a note about other two working committees
in the report about personnel arrangement. The Note should read:

"The exchange and student services are the two most important tasks
in this term. Considering the complication and burden of work in those
two areas, I plan not to establish committees, but make the projects
on a contract basis. The HQ will accept proposals and sign contract
on a case by case basis."


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              The Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS
              ==================================
              (For approval of the IFCSS Council)

                       Changsheng Lin
                       August 11, 1993


To:    IFCSS Council
Date:  August 11, 1993
Re:    Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS

Dear Council Members:

The following is the working plan for 5th term IFCSS:

    While continuing human rights activities and expanding and
improving student services, our attention will be more focused on
guiding and organizing the CSS to participate in scientific,
cultural and economic activities in China. We plan to have
following projects:

    1. Organize student voluntary service groups to give
scientific, educational and economic training seminars in China. We
plan to organize three groups: education, science and technology,
and business management.

    2. To organize a Small Business Conference which would provide
an opportunity for rural enterprises and private owned business in
China to recruit people, business opportunity and contract from the
CSS community.

    3. Establish IFCSS student awards. The awards will be given to
outstanding undergraduate students to further promote the influence
of IFCSS in China.

    4. To explore the opportunity to establish Returned Student
Station in major cities and Overseas Student Villages and help
promote the establishment of Overseas Student Economic and
Scientific Development Zones.

    Besides the exchange projects, this term will strengthen and
expand student services. The new projects will include:

    *  Telephone Card
    *  Long Distance Telephone Service
    *  Life Insurance
    *  Credit Card
    *  Post Graduate and Post-CSPA student Health Insurance
    *  Placement Program
    *  Hongliang (match-maker) service
    *  New Student Reception Center
    *  CSS Guide Book
    *  Airline Ticket Service


    In other aspects, we will continue the Congressional Interim
program. We hope to send 6 people to Congress this year.

    We will organize a medium sized seminar to train the student
activist on organizing social activities.

    We will edit a Congressional report which will collect the
major news and issues in the CSS community. This would help better
promote the interests of Chinese students.

    This term will start two constructive projects: CSS Job
Searching Project and Information Center for Exchange with China.

    There will be several important activities: 

    1.  IFCSS delegation to visit Taiwan in the end of 1993.
    2.  Joint Conference in the Spring of 1994.
    3.  Cooperate with the Taiwan Student Union to organize 4th   
        Taiwan Summer Tour/Seminar.
    4.  Second Small Business Seminar in Taiwan. (Summer 1993)
    5.  Hosting the Meeting of Global Federation of Chinese       
        Students.
    6.  IFCSS 5th anniversary celebration activities.
    7.  IFCSS 6th Congress.

    
    Dear colleagues, we will have a lot of things to do. Let us
work together and make IFCSS stronger and more influential.

    Comments and suggestions are welcome.

    Thanks for your attention.

                                            Sincerely,

                                            Lin Changsheng
                                            IFCSS President

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I do agree the resolution. The major program of IFCSS is student service. It is
also the important income of IFCSS since 1991. In the years of 1991-1992, I did
not see any political issues have been done by IFCSS. Only political issue is
the student protection bill which is give lot of earlier-comming students
green card. Since the issue become a immigration program, no matter democracy
supportor, June 4th demostrator or the people never joined any demostration, 
even the Chinese Communist Member, every body applied the green card. I did
not hear anyone said that he/she dont want the green card since it is a 
political issue. So the program come to individual become to be a non-political
issue at all. If you say IFCSS doing some political issue at this time, I would
say the student foundation is political issue also. Anyone want to do anything 
which is not arranged by Chinese government will be a political issue, becouse
you are not recognized by the Chinese government. For all of the chinese are 
likely to do political issue, only DENG XIAOPING is not. 
It is very good that anyone want to do student servive. If the program is not
under IFCSS name could not become professional relation with IFCSS. It will
be the competition relation with IFCSS. To take away the student service from
IFCSS, it will result in to cut the IFCSS natual resources. 
Any program is not under IFCSS, it will not be a resolution in the IFCSS
council. It should be discussed by themselve. If they want get financial support
should send the proposal which can be discussed in IFCSS.

With best wishes,

Songlin Ren
IFCSS Council Member


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Songlin, very good points.  Following is what
I sent to the IFCSSVC net for your reference.

Jinghong

for other CCCers, attached also :
Songlin's response and the orginal proposal

===============================================================


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       Be careful:  about the "Service Fundation"


In case you haven't seen the mentioned proposal, please find it at the
end of this mail.

First of all, I agree with the ideas of better services in the proposal.
However, the motion of establishing a new semi-independent org should be
reconsidered carefully.  

The proposed resolution isbased on two assumtions: 

1) better "services" can only be done out of the HQ and even the Council's 
   control.
2) the name of IFCSS, or IFCSS itself has a "bad image";

To the first point, it goes opposite as the fact that IFCSS IS an
"interest" group.  Actually, most, if not all, the HQ does during its 
4yr history has been providing services to CSS.  If such a new 
fundation is created, what's left for the HQ and the Council to do ?
Are we ready to make IFCSS a "real political org" from now on?

The second point is kind of confusing.  It somehow implys that IFCSS 
should be "ashamed of itself", and it should hide itsel real identity
when trying to approach the new comers as well as other orgs.  I 
don't quite understand this - may be I am wrong, can someone enlight
me, please ?

As you agree with my above two points, then a new semi-independent
"service fundation" will actually replace the entire IFCSS.  Or, in
other words, if the resolution is adpoted and accepted by the President,
IFCSS will in fact eliminated the need for its own existence.

Dear, Liqun.  As much as I agreed with the idea of serving the CSS, 
I am afraid that this resolution will do no good in the long run.

Thanks for your attention.

Jinghong


==========================================================================


>From Songlin
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Subject: Re:  The Resolution of Establishing a Fundation
Status: RO

I do not agree the resolution. 
The major program of IFCSS is student service. It is
also the important income of IFCSS since 1991. In the years of 1991-1992, I did
not see any political issues have been done by IFCSS. Only political issue is
the student protection bill which is give lot of earlier-comming students
green card. Since the issue become a immigration program, no matter democracy
supportor, June 4th demostrator or the people never joined any demostration, 
even the Chinese Communist Member, every body applied the green card. I did
not hear anyone said that he/she dont want the green card since it is a 
political issue. So the program come to individual become to be a non-political
issue at all. If you say IFCSS doing some political issue at this time, I would
say the student foundation is political issue also. Anyone want to do anything 
which is not arranged by Chinese government will be a political issue, becouse
you are not recognized by the Chinese government. For all of the chinese are 
likely to do political issue, only DENG XIAOPING is not. 
It is very good that anyone want to do student servive. If the program is not
under IFCSS name could not become professional relation with IFCSS. It will
be the competition relation with IFCSS. To take away the student service from
IFCSS, it will result in to cut the IFCSS natual resources. 
Any program is not under IFCSS, it will not be a resolution in the IFCSS
council. It should be discussed by themselve. If they want get financial support
should send the proposal which can be discussed in IFCSS.

With best wishes,

Songlin Ren
IFCSS Council Member



===================================================


         The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars 
                          Service Fundation

             Sponsored by Hongran Fan, Second by Liqun Dong
      

     Whereas with the still increasing large Chinese population in America, 
the IFCSS, the only nation-wide Chinese Students and Scholars organization, 
should take on the responsibility to better serve this social group in addi-
tion to promote democracy in our homeland of China. 

     Whereas the history of the fundation of the IFCSS endowed her a distinct
characteristic, but its political actions are not adventageous under some 
current circumstance. In order to keep its political continuity yet increase
the participation of new-arrivals and encourage more supports from the United
States, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and our homeland China,

     It is resovled that the IFCSS must establish a Chinese Students and 
Scholars Service Fundation with a neutral image in order to unite and serve
a larger population of other groups, in the mean time, this Fundation can 
build up a good public relationship for the IFCSS an response for fund 
raising for the IFCSS.
     
      It is further resovled that this Service Fundation would have a dual 
relationships with the IFCSS, first is under the jurisdiction , and second is
cooperation. The daily operation of this Fundation would not under the 
direction of the IFCSS HQ or the IFCSS concil. This Fundation would be run by
the board of trustee which will be approved by th eIFCSS concil. The Fundation
will keep close professional relationship with the IFCSS , but the image to  
the outside population should be of a non-political and a pure interest group,
it would not be involved in any of the IFCSS political actions and declara-
tions. The Fundation 's income and donation would be transfered to the IFCSS 
based on the contract in accordance with the standard procedure which has 
been followed in the United States.



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To:    IFCSS Council
Date:  August 10, 1993
Re:    5th Term Budget Proposal

Dear Council Members:

The following is the 5th term budget proposal. I hope that it will be
approved in the upcoming First Council Teleconference. Thanks for your
consideration.

Sincerely,

Lin Changsheng
IFCSS President

======================================================================


                     The IFCSS Annual Budget

                    Fiscal Year of 1993-1994


A.   Revenue (Estimated)

     Donation from Society                               $120,000

     Student Service                                     $100,000

     Grant from Foundations                               $30,000

     Remaining Funds from Fiscal Year of 1992-1993        $69,500

     ============================================================
     Total Revenue                                       $319,500



B.   Expenditure

     Operation Cost                  Monthly             Annually

 (1) HQ Staff Compensation

     Four Full Time Staff Members
     and One Part Time Accountant    $2,000 X 4           $96,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $96,400


 (2) HQ Operating Cost

     Office Rent                                          $10,900

     Phone Bills                                          $15,000

     Mailing                                               $2,000

     Office Supply                                         $2,000

     Printing/Copying                                      $2,000

     Travel/Transportation                                $15,000

     Office Equipment                                      $3,000

     Miscellaneous                                         $5,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $54,900


 (3) Council (16 Members)

     Tele-Conference                                       $4,000

     Telephone Compensation                                $6,000

     Miscellaneous                                         $1,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $11,000


 (4) Supervisory Committee (5 Members)

     Tele-Conference                                         $800

     Telephone Compensation                                $1,800

     Miscellaneous                                           $200
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                              $2,800


 (5) Working Committees                                   $10,000


 (6) Newsletter                                           $18,000


 (7) Project Assistants                                   $36,000


 (8) Round-Table Meeting                                  $12,000


 (9) The 6th Congress                                     $60,000



     ============================================================
     Total Expenditure                                  $300,700 


C.  Surplus                                               $18,800

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Note:   I forgot to put a note about other two working committees
in the report about personnel arrangement. The Note should read:

"The exchange and student services are the two most important tasks
in this term. Considering the complication and burden of work in those
two areas, I plan not to establish committees, but make the projects
on a contract basis. The HQ will accept proposals and sign contract
on a case by case basis."


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              The Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS
              ==================================
              (For approval of the IFCSS Council)

                       Changsheng Lin
                       August 11, 1993


To:    IFCSS Council
Date:  August 11, 1993
Re:    Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS

Dear Council Members:

The following is the working plan for 5th term IFCSS:

    While continuing human rights activities and expanding and
improving student services, our attention will be more focused on
guiding and organizing the CSS to participate in scientific,
cultural and economic activities in China. We plan to have
following projects:

    1. Organize student voluntary service groups to give
scientific, educational and economic training seminars in China. We
plan to organize three groups: education, science and technology,
and business management.

    2. To organize a Small Business Conference which would provide
an opportunity for rural enterprises and private owned business in
China to recruit people, business opportunity and contract from the
CSS community.

    3. Establish IFCSS student awards. The awards will be given to
outstanding undergraduate students to further promote the influence
of IFCSS in China.

    4. To explore the opportunity to establish Returned Student
Station in major cities and Overseas Student Villages and help
promote the establishment of Overseas Student Economic and
Scientific Development Zones.

    Besides the exchange projects, this term will strengthen and
expand student services. The new projects will include:

    *  Telephone Card
    *  Long Distance Telephone Service
    *  Life Insurance
    *  Credit Card
    *  Post Graduate and Post-CSPA student Health Insurance
    *  Placement Program
    *  Hongliang (match-maker) service
    *  New Student Reception Center
    *  CSS Guide Book
    *  Airline Ticket Service


    In other aspects, we will continue the Congressional Interim
program. We hope to send 6 people to Congress this year.

    We will organize a medium sized seminar to train the student
activist on organizing social activities.

    We will edit a Congressional report which will collect the
major news and issues in the CSS community. This would help better
promote the interests of Chinese students.

    This term will start two constructive projects: CSS Job
Searching Project and Information Center for Exchange with China.

    There will be several important activities: 

    1.  IFCSS delegation to visit Taiwan in the end of 1993.
    2.  Joint Conference in the Spring of 1994.
    3.  Cooperate with the Taiwan Student Union to organize 4th   
        Taiwan Summer Tour/Seminar.
    4.  Second Small Business Seminar in Taiwan. (Summer 1993)
    5.  Hosting the Meeting of Global Federation of Chinese       
        Students.
    6.  IFCSS 5th anniversary celebration activities.
    7.  IFCSS 6th Congress.

    
    Dear colleagues, we will have a lot of things to do. Let us
work together and make IFCSS stronger and more influential.

    Comments and suggestions are welcome.

    Thanks for your attention.

                                            Sincerely,

                                            Lin Changsheng
                                            IFCSS President


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jli@udcps3.cps.udayton.edu (Jinghong Li) said:
>I never believed 
>such project could do any good.  There are many more meaningful 
>things to try;

Believe is another thing. Now what we need to do is how to solve this problem.
Forget it is not the solution. IFCSS has promissed the award, we cann't just
eat our words.

Jinghong, could you send me more detail inform you know about this project ?
We need to evaluate both morally and legally what IFCSS need to do.
(I am saying, it is possible somebody can sue IFCSS because it promised the
award.)

Also, I hope Zhengdong or Shusheng can send us some detail also.

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As for the Best Student Award issue, please note that 
the same program is put in the work plan proposal by Lin Changsheng 
for the Council's approval.  

The program was initiated last year, and it will be continued next
year (if the Council approve s it), then I don't see any reason IFCSS
does not finance the current award (that means abandoning the last
year's work) and starts all over again when the new term begins.


Yungui Ding

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Yungui Ding said:
>The program was initiated last year, and it will be continued next
>year (if the Council approve s it), then I don't see any reason IFCSS
>does not finance the current award (that means abandoning the last
>year's work) and starts all over again when the new term begins.

That's what we want to make sure. From Liu ZhengDong's mail, it seems HQ don't
want to honor last year's award. I have to say I haven't called HQ to see
what's their side story yet.
I will probably do that tomorrow.

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This is a forward mail from Jing Wang.
BTW, council@ifcss.org is used only for council to collect public opinion,
and now only me, Yungui, Liqun read it. That's why I re-forward
this to the council-l. I would like every body to think about this.

Before forward, I have to say I don't feel the NCO is a good idea. Certainly
Jing Wang has her point. My point is we should support late comer, and
work for them ourself. But to help set an organization, which does not have
goal themself, also which spread a lot of rumor themself ? Frankly to say,
I can understand them, but don't like their network. I would like to see
them participate in IFCSS. Even can cooperate with them if they really find
some agenda and found an organization. But I don't think at this stage IFCSS
should formally recognize and support them (even before they know what they 
are going to do).
Also notice that it is council member's responsibility to collect public
opinion, not HQ.

============================ forward ==================
>From ejwang@titan.ucs.umass.edu  Tue Aug 10 19:08:49 1993
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 19:00:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: ECHO WANG <ejwang@titan.ucs.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: IFCSS & New-Comers' Organization
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Chen Dong,

	Thank you for your comments and questions.  Here are my answers,  hope 
they make sense to you.  I would like to appologize in advance for any place 
that might sound offensive.  I believe we both share the will to make IFCSS a 
better organization and it's a good thing to discuss.  I'd like to hear your 
further questions or comments.  And finally I am looking forward to  your 
support!

	Thank you again.

Wang Jing
UMass/Amherst

--------------------(Beginning of major text)----------------------------------
> When we found an organization, there should be some goal set up.
> For the NCO, at least I don't see any definite purpose.
> Why should we support another NCO, instead of working for all students include
> late comer ourself ?
> If we help to found such an organization, does that mean IFCSS only need to
> serve the so called early comer ?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	No!  It only means that IFCSS does not ignore ne-comers as a lot of 
them thought.



> What about those who is coming and will come to States, should they have their
> own organization also ?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	It's up to them.  THEY, not we will make the decision.  Do you think we
can stop them if they don't like us?



> I agree people came here at different time, with different age do have 
> different interest. But we should not trivialize such things, i.e. IFCSS is not
> a yearly club such as club 90, club 91,....
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	What I am talking about is the FACT.  The NCO is an existing fact, not 
what we intend to.  We have to open our eyes to look at it and take it.  If we
don't want to or can't kill it (for the sake of DEMOCRACY), why don't we work 
with it?
 
 

> >From what I see, IFCSS should try to represent and to work on behave of 
> majority CSS. If so call NCO have enough voice, they can certainly reflex 
> their opinion through the normal channel, such as elected to council member, 
> president, etc.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	That's it.  NCO doesn't come from the air.  Its existing is because
of a group of people (who do represent a large amount of CSS) are not 
happy with what they can get through "the normal channel," and I don't blaim
them!  In terms of "enough voice," do you know they've collected over 700
signatures in a short TWO-day's period for the letter to Atterney General?  

 

> In one word, it is our responsibility to work for all CSS, not "their".
> And I don't like the idea to classify people into different catagory because
> they have or don't have GC.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	Again, I am talking about the FACT only.  I hate to classify CSS by if
they are or not benefitaries of CSPA, too.  But in spite of what our will is,
the fact is fact.  There IS such an organization coming out, we got to deal 
with it.  Since there are new-comers who call IFCSS "an organization of old-
stayers," which neither of us (both as new-comers) would agree, IFCSS's 
attitude towards this NCO could be crucial to change these people's attitude
towards IFCSS.  

	Plus, my impressions of NCO is , from talking to their reps. 
and reading messages from their net, there are a group of people who started
the organization with the good will of serving the CSS group whose interests 
they believe are not fully represented.  They expressed that they have no 
intention of neither splitting CSS community nor against IFCSS.   If this NCO
is going to function well, it will actually take care of a lot of CSS which
actually does some work for IFCSS.  

	And one last word, I 100% agree with what you said that IFCSS is for 
"all CSS" or "majority" of CSS, and that is my main point for IFCSS should not 
ignore this organization that could possibly represent quite a large (and 
possibly growing) proportion of CSS.

--------------------- End of major text ---------------------------------------


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		An Open Letter to IFCSS/SVC and IFCSS/COUNCIL

    Recently, I noticed that the postings from IFCSS/HQ and IFCSS/COUNCIL 
improperly called the convener of IFCSS/COUNCIL "chairperson".

    I am a delegate of IFCSS Fifth Congress. I clearly remember that 
Mr. Lishi Luo, newly elected coordinator of current IFCSS/SVC, explained to
all the delegates in the Congress that the convener of Council or SVC should
be called "coordinator" in English.

    "Chairperson" implies a kind of leadership. It is improper, and somewhat
ridiculous to have a leadership, in any sense, among those 16 Council members 
or among those 5 SVC members. All those 16 Council members were elected 
equally from eight different divisions nationwide to form a legislative group
in IFCSS. All they need is a coordinator to coordinate everyone of them to 
work efficiently in a certain period of time. No leadership should exist in 
this legislative group of IFCSS, no matter how much the "coordinator" likes to
be the "chairperson".

    Please be resolved: The name of the convener of IFCSS/Council should be
"COORDINATOR", co-convener should be "DEPUTY COORDINATOR".

    Suggestion to Current IFCSS/Council: It is improper to appoint one 
coordinator in one term(one year). It will be good to have everyone be the 
coordinator for a certain period of time in turn, so that everyone of the
Council members could have a better chance to get familiar with the way of
running IFCSS.


Jinnan Wu
U. of Utah


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I DO NOT agree the resolution. Yesterday, I mistyped the word 'DO NOT'

Sorry !

Songlin Ren



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         Bills recommended by Financial Committee of the 5th council 
                      for the 1st teleconference

																																																										8/12/93
*******************************************************************************

 1  Bill on 4th term financial report

    Financial committee

    Draft by Shen Tong

    Whereas the 4th term financial report was given in an incomplete
    form and even after the 5th term budget was submitted to financial  
    committee of the council, the report is still an estimated number.
    
    Whereas since the Ifcss HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
    the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the  
    responsibility to the members of the council and Ifcss and have the right to 
    know the finance of the Ifcss.

    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
    report for last term and a list of Ifcss equipmaents.


 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 


 2  Bill on Compensation for Members of Transition Team (C500x) 

    Finance Committee

    Draft by Zhou Hongguang
    
    Whereas new presidency and vice presidency have been elected on
    the annual IFCSS congress, and the transition of the HQ administration has 
    to be made between the outgoing term and the new term;

    Whereas a transition team has to be set up to ensure the smooth
    transfer of the HQ administration and there has no such a team exist;

    Whereas to ensure function of the transition team, the team has to be
    consist of no fewer than two members from the outgoing term and no more
    than two members from the new term;

    Whereas the members of the transition team have to be compensated for
    their work and there is no such regualtions being set before; and

    Whereas the compensation for the team are as follows:
    outgoing term members to be paid no less than two(2) weeks
    new term members to be paid more than two(2) weeks, starting as of the
    date of report to the HQ, which should be within seven(7) days of the
    election, by the new term members
    the compensation for the transition team should no more than thirty(30)
    days
 
    Therfore, be it resolved by the 1st 5th Council teleconference that the
    transition team members be compensated as the above setforth.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


 3  Bill on the raising of the budget of the 5th council
   
    Financial Committee

    Draft by Bing Qi

    Whereas there are some unexpected issues that need to be discussed within     
    the council by teleconference and in some cases council members have to go 
    to D.C. to work with the HQ.

    Whereas the current budget of the council is limited.

    Be it solved:

    The miscellaneous part of the budget of the 5th council will be raised from    
    $1000 to $3000. To use this part of money needs the approval of the majority 
    of the council.

================================================================================

    Amendament for the Ifcss Financial regulations

    Article 1.  change "after he is elected as the president." to after 
    he starts transition period.

    Article 5. change "after he is elected." to  after he starts     
    transition period.

    Article 11. add (no less than two representatives) after "any
    aythorized agent of the council."

    Article 16 add  (include president,vice-president,treasurer,assistant
    treasurer...etc.any related person.) before "if is recommended by 
    the council."

********************************************************************************

    /end


================================================================================ 
 
 Qi, Bing
	
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Hi, Yungui and Liqun:

Please help me to post my following message to the council network. Thanks.

Zhendong

***************** MAIL ONE *******************************

>From hu@calshp.cals.wisc.edu Sun Aug  1 23:54:10 1993
 
 *****************************************************************************
	     A WORKING NET FOR IFCSS SCHOLARSHIP PROJECT DRIVE
        ( For the Task Force at University of Wisconsin - Madison )
 *****************************************************************************
     !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     !!! The work is done.  But the project can not be carried out  !!!
     !!! due to shortage of promised funds.                         !!! 
     !!!                                                            !!!
     !!! This is no joke, neither game.  This is a serious matter.  !!!
     !!! We need your response.                                     !!!
     !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are 98 applicants from 23 prestigious universities in China apply
for the IFCSS Scholarship. We have selected 12 students as the winners
of the academic year 1992-93. They are:

Tsinghua University			Jun Lu
Beijing Agriculture University		Xiyun Song
Beijing Foreign Trade University	Xue Wang (F) and Minxin Li
China Xuehe University			Bin Du and Yang Li (F)
Zhejiang Meishu Institute		Hongliu Xu
Hunan University			Ping Zhang (F)
Fudan University			Yingchi Chen
Harbin Industry University		Xueli Wang (F)
Shanghai Jiaotong University		Wufan Chen and Zhiqiang Ren

Reviewing Committee:  Zhongqiang Hua
		      Daode Huang
		      Feng Mo (director)
		      Zhendong Liu

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
A comment from Zhiliang Hu:

	It is very frustrating to learn that IFCSS do not have the said 
	money available, especially after 10 month's hard work.  This is
	an aweful situation, for this "Task force", and for IFCSS.
	However, I would suggest that the public network is the last place
	to go.  Because to reveal it on public net work can only cause
	negative effects and damage, while the gain could be very slim.
	I would suggest we prepare an appeal letter to SVC and at the 
	mean time try to work it out through private channels.

	In any sense, IFCSS HQ holds the full responsibility.

***************** MAIL TWO ***************************
I am really exhausted after last night long phone calls to Heping and
ChangSheng. Now is their offers:

The IFCSS will not finance completely the Award project. Someone or I
needs to raise some funds to finance the project. According to Heping,
Changsheng was completely upset after Shusheng quarreled with him in
telephone earlier. Heping agreed to do some works with him but
Changshen said he was firm.

So what? If the IFCSS is their own person business, what's the reason
we stay here.  If the IFCSS president does not care about the potential
damage to the name of the IFCSS in the college students in China,
what's the hell we have to take the IFCSS for him. I am going out of
this dirty business and will tell the whole world this dirty HQ.

Shame on this HQ. We, spent our time and phone bill for the project,
and now we need to finance the project out of our porkect; and they, in
the name of the IFCSS, used to the IFCSS money to their private friends
and BUDDY and called this is a fare business. What kind of politics
they play here?

They spreaded the rumor that the reason of the dispute is the signature
of the letter and certificate, but please check with them about this
again. I have original letter in the name of the IFCSS. Shame on these
guy.

If ChangSheng want to your personal business to the IFCSS, please choose
other place. The IFCSS is belonged to all of us.

Zhendong

***************** MAIL TWO *****************************
The true reason is Changsheng does like Shusheng and probably me (what?
what kind of business I have ever dealed with him?).

As the former SVC member, I can not and did not formally involve in the
scholarship project. But as a "lover" of the course of the IFCSS and
former president of Chinese Independent Union in University of
Wisconsin-Madison, I did push the project and help to distribute the
e-mail. As I saw the project director was tired of the dirty tricks in
the HQ and quited (not formally but almost refused to act anything), I
felt it's my responsibility to take care the project.

I have reviewed all applicants and felt the warm hearts of the
applicants and the chancellor offices in several prestigious
universities in China. The 12 winners are reall excellent (average
grade of the winners ranges 93-95, all of them receive a lot of
scholarships and awards). I felt if the current HQ betrayed those
students, there are not reason to say the HQ can represent us any
longer. 

Now, it's the time for all of us to judge our morality and conscious
when we are battling in the area where there is no constitition and
bylaws. Let's wake up!!


Zhendong

*************** MAIL THREE ****************************
                   The IFCSS is Facing Challenge

			   Zhendong Liu


It's the fifth year for the IFCSS since its born in 1989, right after
the June 4th Beijing Massacre. And now, many things have been changed.
We are facing the new students and scholars continuously coming out of
China with new idea and vision, the less ideologic but more pratically
oriented Chinese government. Now, what we should do and what are we
going to do?

I. Redefinition the nature of the IFCSS

Back to many years ago, the IFCSS was one of many oversea Chinese
students and schools organizations which standed up and challenged the
dictatorship in China. It attracted many CSSes to confront our
government. The IFCSS has very sucessfully organized the lobby of MFN,
rescured many jailed students and scholars, and promoted the change of
human rights record in China. But now, facing the new environment, are
the IFCSS continuing and still focusing on these?

The PR lobby last year and the exchange programs starting this year
will certain mark the dramatical change to the mission of the IFCSS:
protect the interest of CSS in US and promote the economic and
scientific changes in China. However, before we go on there are few
questions deserved our attentions.

(1) The Participation of the IFCSS

For many years, the IFCSS discussed the problem of participation and
never dissolved it seriously. Traditionally, the IFCSS can not
sufficiently accommodate and keep the people with different identities
and afford new vision to attract more CSS to join the IFCSS. The core
of the IFCSS, the IFCSS HQ, is always consisting of BUDDIES. Before the
election, they standed together and voice the same words; after the
election, they quarreled and made odds. The powerness of the HQ and the
weakness of the Council made the stage of the IFCSS the space and sky
of one or two powermen.

These BUDDIES, talented and dedicated, like to group together. They
came to the IFCSS congress year after year voting for the leader they
endorsed.  Some labeled theirselve in private or public the godfathers
of the IFCSS by either occupying the HQ or influencing the HQ leaders
through their personal connections.

But how do they treat the people with different views? Well, they like
to judge people with their political and moral standards, such
labelling others not honest, a spy of CCP, got money from CG and
politician, etc. People in the IFCSS HQ would like to label a person or
group who opposed the HQ policy as the enemy to the course of the
IFCSS. And they denounce the person or group in the public or put away
the suggestion and projects initialized by this person or this group.
For example, AEIC (a group to promote the academic exchange with China)
was kicked out of the IFCSS by the 3rd term HQ and the "Best Student
Award" project was forced out of funding by the 5th term HQ.

Where is the position of the IFCSS Council and Supervisory Committee?
and how the normal students to voice their suggestion and concerns?
These are still remained at large for our futher discussion.

>From my understanding, a healthy IFCSS should be: smooth transition of
the leadership from one term to the other, adding new faces to the HQ,
council and the supervisory committee; a healthy IFCSS should be:
appoint people of different identities to different IFCSS projects
without using your moral and political standards; a healthy IFCSS
should be: the HQ is responsible to the voice of the students and the
council represents the students; a healthy IFCSS should be: the council
and supervisory committee used the IFCSS constitution and bylaws; a
healthy IFCSS should be: some ways have to be found out to limit the
dictatorship of the IFCSS president.

A democratic organization needs a good and complete constitution, and
also needs an open press and discussion network. When I saw the later
comer net became active, I said that's great. It finally push the IFCSS
HQ to rethink who is going to represent, and finally comes out two open
letter. At the same, I saw the urgent needs and necessarity for the new
students to participation the operation of the IFCSS. Another case is
the Best Student Awards issue. When the issue of the Best Student Award
goes to the public network, the HQ began to feel the pressure and
change their attitude to it. Why we can not just rely on the IFCSS
council? I felt so desperate.

I have seen many friends denouncing their leaving from the IFCSS after
so many uneasy and difficulties in the last two years. More and more
would like keep silence, saying "well, that's their bussiness". As a
matter of fact, I feel sad.


(to be continued)



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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 93 11:41:31 CDT
From: liu@cae.wisc.edu
To: ifcssvc@udcps3.cps.udayton.edu
Subject: from Zhendong Liu

Dear Anzhi and many friends in Veteran Club:

Thanks again for your cares to the IFCSS. I feel encouraged from your
mails to me. I will formally present the case to the Council meeting 
and also with my worries about the working plan written by ChangSheng.

Zhendong

***********************************************************************

>From hu@calshp.cals.wisc.edu Sun Aug  1 23:54:10 1993
 
 *****************************************************************************
	     A WORKING NET FOR IFCSS SCHOLARSHIP PROJECT DRIVE
        ( For the Task Force at University of Wisconsin - Madison )
 *****************************************************************************
     !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     !!! The work is done.  But the project can not be carried out  !!!
     !!! due to shortage of promised funds.                         !!! 
     !!!                                                            !!!
     !!! This is no joke, neither game.  This is a serious matter.  !!!
     !!! We need your response.                                     !!!
     !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are 98 applicants from 23 prestigious universities in China apply
for the IFCSS Scholarship. We have selected 12 students as the winners
of the academic year 1992-93. They are:

Tsinghua University			Jun Lu
Beijing Agriculture University		Xiyun Song
Beijing Foreign Trade University	Xue Wang (F) and Minxin Li
China Xuehe University			Bin Du and Yang Li (F)
Zhejiang Meishu Institute		Hongliu Xu
Hunan University			Ping Zhang (F)
Fudan University			Yingchi Chen
Harbin Industry University		Xueli Wang (F)
Shanghai Jiaotong University		Wufan Chen and Zhiqiang Ren

Reviewing Committee:  Zhongqiang Hua
		      Daode Huang
		      Feng Mo (director)
		      Zhendong Liu

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
A comment from Zhiliang Hu:

	It is very frustrating to learn that IFCSS do not have the said 
	money available, especially after 10 month's hard work.  This is
	an aweful situation, for this "Task force", and for IFCSS.
	However, I would suggest that the public network is the last place
	to go.  Because to reveal it on public net work can only cause
	negative effects and damage, while the gain could be very slim.
	I would suggest we prepare an appeal letter to SVC and at the 
	mean time try to work it out through private channels.

	In any sense, IFCSS HQ holds the full responsibility.




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           Agenda for the 1st teleconference of the Council
                    ( Suggested by Liqun Dong )

1.   On the Adoption of the Order for the Meeting;

2.   Openning Statement (Free Speech)           (about 15 minutes)
      -- At most one minute for each council member;

3.   HQ Report, including Working Plan, Budget, and Personnel Arrangement
      -- Lin Changsheng                          (15 minutes)

4.   Question and Answer                         (25 minutes)
      -- At most two questions for each member. If more question is
         required, it will be ordered on unanimous consent;    

5.   HQ Introduction on Student Service Porjects (CSPA, Health Insurance,
      etc. )
      -- Shi Heping                              (10 minutes)

6.   Question and Answer                         (15 minutes)
      -- one questions for each member. If more question is required,
         it will be ordered on unanimous consent;

7.   Package of Council's Resolutions on HQ Budget  (25 minutes)
      -- Sponsored by the Council Finance Committee or its memebers

8.   Package of Council's Resolutions on HQ Personnel Arrangement
                                                  (25 minutes)
      -- Sponsored by the Council Personnel Committee or its members
	
9.   Other Resolutions Promoted by Council memebers.  (45 minutes)






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         Call for 5th Term Council 1st Teleconference

To    : IFCSS Council, IFCSS HQ, and IFCSS SVC
>From  : Dong Liqun, Council Chairperson
Date  : Augest 2, 1993
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Colleagues,

As been required by the IFCSS Council Bylaw, the 1st regular Council
teleconference is called:

   Date: Saturday, Augest 14, 1992
  Start: 10:00pm EDT / 7:00pm PDT.

The conference main agenda includes: IFCSS HQ budget proposal, IFCSS HQ
work plan, IFCSS HQ staff and subcommittee chairpersons, all motions posed
by Council members.

IFCSS HQ proposals should be all ready in the next few days. All motions
to be raised in the teleconference must be posed on council e-mail
network at least three days before the meeting time. In order to have
enough time to discuss and amend motions before the meeting and tp cut the
meeting time, it is strong recommended that all Council members post their
motions in this week. Emergency motions can be raised at any time by
following the order of the conference.

All Council members are required to attend. IFCSS President is invited to
introduce HQ proposals. Some working committee Chairperson nominees, IFCSS
HQ staff nominees, and other relevant guests might be invited if necessary,
who shall not speak unless been asked to do so. Representatives from IFCSS
SVC will be invited to observe. 

The teleconference shall be open to the public in means of:

   1. Anyone who would like to audit, please contact Chen Dong
(301-405-5025 (o)), the Secretary of IFCSS Council, at least five working
days before the scheduled conference. Public audiences shall not speak or
disturb the meeting, any such action or attempts shall result in immediate
determination of all auditing connections. Public audiences shall pay for
their own expense, a $40.00 refundable deposit must be received before the
meeting starts.

   2. Or, audio tapes of the meeting can be obtained from Chen Dong one
week after the meeting. Please send your address and $4.00/cassatte to he
cost to:
         Mr. Chen Dong
         Lab. for Plasma Research
         University of Maryland
         College  Park, MD 20742

All participants please be ready at least 15 minites before the start
time. An telephone company's operator will call you at the number you
provided to me. If you will be on a phone whose number is not the same as
the home number on the Council directory, please inform me as soon as
possible. 

Please find the enclosed Order of the Teleconference. HQ proposals should
be out with the next few days.

If you have any concerns and/or suggestions, please let me know as soon as
possible.



Dong Liqun (signed)
Chairperson of IFCSS Council

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             Order of the Teleconference

Note: This order is based on Council Bylaw, previous Council practices,
      and Robert's Rules of Order. Please comment before it is adopted.

1.   The order of the Council first teleconference is recommended by the
Chairperson of IFCSS Council and shall be adopted by general consent or by
a majority vote of the Council members present in the teleconference.

2.   All main motions are debatable. Other motions shall be dealt with
according to Robert's Rules of Order. The debating time shall be limited
and controlled. For each motion, the sponser(s) shall have at most 3
minites to explain it before debate and every member shall have one (1)
minite to speak. If necessary, a second round of debate (1 minite for each
member) can be requested and seconded by Council members and approved by the
Chair. No more than two round debates shall be given to any motion.

     Council members can defer their speaking right once in each round.
Mamber's speaking shall not be accumulated or carried over to the next
round, but it can be given to, or borrowed from, another member during the
same round of the debate.

3.   For the Budget and Personnel Nominations proposed by HQ, the IFCSS
President shall be given sufficient time to explain and answer questions. 

4.   The speaking order of members shall follow the order of the Council
Directory which shall be prepared by the Secretary of IFCSS Council.

5.   A motion shall be accepted as emergency motion by a majority vote of
Council members present in the meeting.

     Emergency motions shall be processed upon its acceptance.

6.   The conference business order shall be:

     On passage of the order of the teleconference;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ budget proposal;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ work plan, including working committees;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ staff, committee Chairperson, project managers
         (if provided) nominations;
     On passage of motions may be raised by Council members.

7.   The conference shall be presided by Council Chairperson.  The
co-chair shall take over responsibility when the Chairperson participates
in the debate.

8.   Any disputes or confusions shall be solved by following Council
Bylaw, (if not defined, then) Robert's Rules of Order.







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1. I havenot seen the report from teh personnel  committee.
   Please post it to tehe council-l net if it has been done.

2. Those Coucil members who will propose resolutions to the teleconference,
   please post/repost your resolutions to the council-l net for 
   other colleagues' reference.


Yungui Ding

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08/12/1993

Dear colleagues,

	The following is a copy of the resolution on the issue of the New-
comers' Organization.  It's been amended after hearing comments from a couple 
of the council members since the first draft came out at the begining of this 
week.  I hereby post it on the net and call for support for this resolution.  I
would also like to hear from you more questions and comments to make it 
workable.

	Please post all your related messages to council-l net.


Thank you all,
 
Wang Jing



(Beginning of Document)
_______________________________________________________________________________
 
 	   A Resolution on IFCSS and the New-Comers' Organization
 
 			Sponsor: Wang Jing
			Second(s):   ?
  
  	While it is a good thing to see more Chinese organizations in the U.S.,
the situation under which the New-Comers' Organization (NCO) established worth 
of concern.  It has created an image in the public that the CSS community is
splitting (into two different interests groups--the so-called Old-Stayers' and
the New-Comers'.)  Further operation of NCO, if based on misunderstanding of 
and lacking of communication with IFCSS, would possibily cause real split of 
CSS community.  It is something we should not over-look.

	Be it solved:

  	Being an organization that claims to serve the whole CSS community, 
IFCSS should take the responsibility in this matter,
	1. Initiate communication with the NCO, to learn about their needs and
complaints, show the willingness of working with them for their interests just 
like it has been working for all the other people in CSS community, and make it
clear that IFCSS is not against any parties in our CSS community;

	2. Provide necessary services to support the operation of NCO.  The
services may include equipmental support, information consulting and funding 
for specific projects whenever possible and when necessary procedure is 
followed (which could be negotiated later on by Financial Committee of IFCSS 
and the parallel functional unit of NCO);

	3. Give NCO members and generally any new-comers to monit and 
participate in IFCSS's daily operation so as to improve the understanding 
between IFCSS and the NCO and other new-comers as well as to prepare for 
IFCSS's future leaders and organizers.


 	While IFCCSS should help the NCO with its administration when necessary
it should never intend to take over its leadership.

  	The IFCSS Council should assign a special committee (possibily the 
current Information and Survey Committee) to oversee the IFCSS HQ in the 
implementation of this very resolution.
_______________________________________________________________________________
  							(End of Document) 




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Subject: Call for 5th Term Council 1st Teleconference 



         Call for 5th Term Council 1st Teleconference

To    : IFCSS Council, IFCSS HQ, and IFCSS SVC
>From  : Dong Liqun, Council Chairperson
Date  : Augest 2, 1993
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Colleagues,

As been required by the IFCSS Council Bylaw, the 1st regular Council
teleconference is called:

   Date: Saturday, Augest 14, 1992
  Start: 10:00pm EDT / 7:00pm PDT.

The conference main agenda includes: IFCSS HQ budget proposal, IFCSS HQ
work plan, IFCSS HQ staff and subcommittee chairpersons, all motions posed
by Council members.

IFCSS HQ proposals should be all ready in the next few days. All motions
to be raised in the teleconference must be posed on council e-mail
network at least three days before the meeting time. In order to have
enough time to discuss and amend motions before the meeting and tp cut the
meeting time, it is strong recommended that all Council members post their
motions in this week. Emergency motions can be raised at any time by
following the order of the conference.

All Council members are required to attend. IFCSS President is invited to
introduce HQ proposals. Some working committee Chairperson nominees, IFCSS
HQ staff nominees, and other relevant guests might be invited if necessary,
who shall not speak unless been asked to do so. Representatives from IFCSS
SVC will be invited to observe. 

The teleconference shall be open to the public in means of:

   1. Anyone who would like to audit, please contact Chen Dong
(301-405-5025 (o)), the Secretary of IFCSS Council, at least five working
days before the scheduled conference. Public audiences shall not speak or
disturb the meeting, any such action or attempts shall result in immediate
determination of all auditing connections. Public audiences shall pay for
their own expense, a $40.00 refundable deposit must be received before the
meeting starts.

   2. Or, audio tapes of the meeting can be obtained from Chen Dong one
week after the meeting. Please send your address and $4.00/cassatte to he
cost to:
         Mr. Chen Dong
         Lab. for Plasma Research
         University of Maryland
         College  Park, MD 20742

All participants please be ready at least 15 minites before the start
time. An telephone company's operator will call you at the number you
provided to me. If you will be on a phone whose number is not the same as
the home number on the Council directory, please inform me as soon as
possible. 

Please find the enclosed Order of the Teleconference. HQ proposals should
be out with the next few days.

If you have any concerns and/or suggestions, please let me know as soon as
possible.



Dong Liqun (signed)
Chairperson of IFCSS Council

==========================================================================

             Order of the Teleconference

Note: This order is based on Council Bylaw, previous Council practices,
      and Robert's Rules of Order. Please comment before it is adopted.

1.   The order of the Council first teleconference is recommended by the
Chairperson of IFCSS Council and shall be adopted by general consent or by
a majority vote of the Council members present in the teleconference.

2.   All main motions are debatable. Other motions shall be dealt with
according to Robert's Rules of Order. The debating time shall be limited
and controlled. For each motion, the sponser(s) shall have at most 3
minites to explain it before debate and every member shall have one (1)
minite to speak. If necessary, a second round of debate (1 minite for each
member) can be requested and seconded by Council members and approved by the
Chair. No more than two round debates shall be given to any motion.

     Council members can defer their speaking right once in each round.
Mamber's speaking shall not be accumulated or carried over to the next
round, but it can be given to, or borrowed from, another member during the
same round of the debate.

3.   For the Budget and Personnel Nominations proposed by HQ, the IFCSS
President shall be given sufficient time to explain and answer questions. 

4.   The speaking order of members shall follow the order of the Council
Directory which shall be prepared by the Secretary of IFCSS Council.

5.   A motion shall be accepted as emergency motion by a majority vote of
Council members present in the meeting.

     Emergency motions shall be processed upon its acceptance.

6.   The conference business order shall be:

     On passage of the order of the teleconference;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ budget proposal;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ work plan, including working committees;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ staff, committee Chairperson, project managers
         (if provided) nominations;
     On passage of motions may be raised by Council members.

7.   The conference shall be presided by Council Chairperson.  The
co-chair shall take over responsibility when the Chairperson participates
in the debate.

8.   Any disputes or confusions shall be solved by following Council
Bylaw, (if not defined, then) Robert's Rules of Order.

============================================================================

           Agenda for the 1st teleconference of the Council
                    ( Suggested by Liqun Dong )

1.   On the Adoption of the Order for the Meeting;

2.   Openning Statement (Free Speech)           (about 15 minutes)
      -- At most one minute for each council member;

3.   HQ Report, including Working Plan, Budget, and Personnel Arrangement
      -- Lin Changsheng                          (15 minutes)


4.   Question and Answer                         (25 minutes)
      -- At most two questions for each member. If more question is
         required, it will be ordered on unanimous consent;

5.   HQ Introduction on Student Service Porjects (CSPA, Health Insurance,
      etc. )
      -- Shi Heping                              (10 minutes)

6.   Question and Answer                         (15 minutes)
      -- one questions for each member. If more question is required,
         it will be ordered on unanimous consent;

7.   Package of Council's Resolutions on HQ Budget  (25 minutes)
      -- Sponsored by the Council Finance Committee or its memebers

8.   Package of Council's Resolutions on HQ Personnel Arrangement
                                                  (25 minutes)
      -- Sponsored by the Council Personnel Committee or its members

9.   Other Resolutions Promoted by Council memebers.  (45 minutes)



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=========================================================================

Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 13:24:47 -0400
From: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@wam.umd.edu>
To: chair@ifcss.org, council@ifcss.org
Subject: 5th term working plan


              The Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS
              ==================================
              (For approval of the IFCSS Council)

                       Changsheng Lin
                       August 11, 1993


To:    IFCSS Council
Date:  August 11, 1993
Re:    Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS

Dear Council Members:

The following is the working plan for 5th term IFCSS:

    While continuing human rights activities and expanding and
improving student services, our attention will be more focused on
guiding and organizing the CSS to participate in scientific,
cultural and economic activities in China. We plan to have
following projects:

    1. Organize student voluntary service groups to give
scientific, educational and economic training seminars in China. We
plan to organize three groups: education, science and technology,
and business management.

    2. To organize a Small Business Conference which would provide
an opportunity for rural enterprises and private owned business in
China to recruit people, business opportunity and contract from the
CSS community.

    3. Establish IFCSS student awards. The awards will be given to
outstanding undergraduate students to further promote the influence
of IFCSS in China.

    4. To explore the opportunity to establish Returned Student
Station in major cities and Overseas Student Villages and help
promote the establishment of Overseas Student Economic and
Scientific Development Zones.

    Besides the exchange projects, this term will strengthen and
expand student services. The new projects will include:

    *  Telephone Card
    *  Long Distance Telephone Service
    *  Life Insurance
    *  Credit Card
    *  Post Graduate and Post-CSPA student Health Insurance
    *  Placement Program
    *  Hongliang (match-maker) service
    *  New Student Reception Center
    *  CSS Guide Book
    *  Airline Ticket Service


    In other aspects, we will continue the Congressional Interim
program. We hope to send 6 people to Congress this year.

    We will organize a medium sized seminar to train the student
activist on organizing social activities.

    We will edit a Congressional report which will collect the
major news and issues in the CSS community. This would help better
promote the interests of Chinese students.

    This term will start two constructive projects: CSS Job
Searching Project and Information Center for Exchange with China.

    There will be several important activities:

    1.  IFCSS delegation to visit Taiwan in the end of 1993.
    2.  Joint Conference in the Spring of 1994.
    3.  Cooperate with the Taiwan Student Union to organize 4th
        Taiwan Summer Tour/Seminar.
    4.  Second Small Business Seminar in Taiwan. (Summer 1993)
    5.  Hosting the Meeting of Global Federation of Chinese
        Students.
    6.  IFCSS 5th anniversary celebration activities.
    7.  IFCSS 6th Congress.

    Dear colleagues, we will have a lot of things to do. Let us
work together and make IFCSS stronger and more influential.

    Comments and suggestions are welcome.

    Thanks for your attention.

                                            Sincerely,

                                            Lin Changsheng
                                            IFCSS President


======================================================================


                     The IFCSS Annual Budget

                    Fiscal Year of 1993-1994


A.   Revenue (Estimated)

     Donation from Society                               $120,000

     Student Service                                     $100,000

     Grant from Foundations                               $30,000

     Remaining Funds from Fiscal Year of 1992-1993        $69,500

     ============================================================
     Total Revenue                                       $319,500



B.   Expenditure

     Operation Cost                  Monthly             Annually

 (1) HQ Staff Compensation

     Four Full Time Staff Members
     and One Part Time Accountant    $2,000 X 4           $96,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $96,400


 (2) HQ Operating Cost

     Office Rent                                          $10,900

     Phone Bills                                          $15,000

     Mailing                                               $2,000

     Office Supply                                         $2,000

     Printing/Copying                                      $2,000

     Travel/Transportation                                $15,000

     Office Equipment                                      $3,000

     Miscellaneous                                         $5,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $54,900


 (3) Council (16 Members)

     Tele-Conference                                       $4,000

     Telephone Compensation                                $6,000

     Miscellaneous                                         $1,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $11,000

 (4) Supervisory Committee (5 Members)

     Tele-Conference                                         $800

     Telephone Compensation                                $1,800

     Miscellaneous                                           $200
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                              $2,800


 (5) Working Committees                                   $10,000


 (6) Newsletter                                           $18,000

 (7) Project Assistants                                   $36,000


 (8) Round-Table Meeting                                  $12,000


 (9) The 6th Congress                                     $60,000



     ============================================================
     Total Expenditure                                  $300,700


C.  Surplus                                               $18,800?




===================================================================

               Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
         (A proposal submitted to IFCSS Council for approval)

                      August 1, 1993


                    Headquarters Office
                    -------------------

          President:   Lin Changsheng  (full time)
     Vice President:   Shi Heping      (temporary)
 Executive Director:   Liu Xiaozhu     (full time)
     Chief of Staff:   Huang Songyun   (full time)
         Newsletter:   Zhang Qingsong  (part time)
          Treasurer:   Jiang Zuihong   (part time)


                    Working Committees
                    ------------------

   Human Rights Committee:                Xiao Qiang
   Government Affairs Committee:          Liu Xiaozhu
   Grassroots Organizations Committee:    Huang Songyun
   Post Graduation Liaison Committee:     Deng Yuanpei
   Fund Raising Committee:                Shi Heping
   Theoretic Research Committee:          Wu Tao
   IFCSS Newsletter Editor in Chief:      Zhang Qingsong
   Chinese Community Information Center:  Ding Jian


Note:   

"The exchange and student services are the two most important tasks
in this term. Considering the complication and burden of work in those
two areas, I plan not to establish committees, but make the projects
on a contract basis. The HQ will accept proposals and sign contract
on a case by case basis."


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
==========================================================================




                     RESOLUTIONS POSTED BY COUNCILS
                   (Until Aug 13, Friday, 3:00am PDT)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

                ***NAME***

             Sponsored by Liang Er, Seconded by xxxxxx


Whereas the projects on talents exchange with mainland China, the projects
on services to students ans scholars, and other financ-related projects
are very important for IFCSS;

Whereas the Council has been entitled the legal responsibilities of IFCSS
by the IFCSS Charter;

Whereas the resolution on the supreme legitimacy of the similar projects
were passed in the 5th Congress of IFCSS;

It is resolved that:

All contracts related to the projects mentioned above are effective only
when the president of IFCSS get the contracts ratified by the Council or
the working committee appointed by the Council. And the delegates
appointed by the Council have the right and responsibilities to supervise
and participate in the decision-making of the administration of the
contracted projects.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

         The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars
                          Service Fundation

             Sponsored by Hongran Fan, Second by Liqun Dong


     Whereas with the still increasing large Chinese population in America,
the IFCSS, the only nation-wide Chinese Students and Scholars organization,
should take on the responsibility to better serve this social group in addi-
tion to promote democracy in our homeland of China.

     Whereas the history of the fundation of the IFCSS endowed her a distinct
characteristic, but its political actions are not adventageous under some
current circumstance. In order to keep its political continuity yet increase
the participation of new-arrivals and encourage more supports from the United
States, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and our homeland China,

     It is resovled that the IFCSS must establish a Chinese Students and
Scholars Service Fundation with a neutral image in order to unite and serve
a larger population of other groups, in the mean time, this Fundation can
build up a good public relationship for the IFCSS an response for fund
raising for the IFCSS.

      It is further resovled that this Service Fundation would have a dual
relationships with the IFCSS, first is under the jurisdiction , and second is
cooperation. The daily operation of this Fundation would not under the
direction of the IFCSS HQ or the IFCSS concil. This Fundation would be run by
the board of trustee which will be approved by th eIFCSS concil. The Fundation
will keep close professional relationship with the IFCSS , but the image to
the outside population should be of a non-political and a pure interest group,
it would not be involved in any of the IFCSS political actions and declara-
tions. The Fundation 's income and donation would be transfered to the IFCSS
based on the contract in accordance with the standard procedure which has
been followed in the United States.

_______________________________________________________________________________

              The Resolution on the Issue of New-Comers' Organization

               Sponsored by Wang Jing, Seconded by  xxxxxx

      While everybody has the right to have his/her organization, it is
even a good thing to see more and more Chinese organizations in the U. S.,
the situation under which the New-Comers' Organization (NCO) established
is worth of concerns, since it creates an image in the public that the CSS
community is splitting (into two different interests groups--the so-called
Old-Stayers' and the New-Comers'.)  Further operation of NCO, if based on
misunderstanding of and lacking of communication with IFCSS, would
possibily cause real split of CSS community.  It is something we should not
over-look.

      Be it solved:

        Being an organization that claims to serve the whole CSS community,
IFCSS should take the responsibility in this matter,
       1. Initiate communication with the NCO, to learn about their needs
and  complaints, show the willingness of working with them for their
interests, let them know that IFCSS is not against them;
       2. Provide necessary services, which may include equipmental
support, information consulting and funding (when possible) to support the
operation of NCO.

       While IFCCSS should help the NCO with its administration when
necessary it should should intend to take over the leadership.

        The IFCSS Council should appoint a special committee, possibily
the current Information and Survey Committee to oversee the IFCSS HQ in
the implementation of this very resolution.
_______________________________________________________________________________


         Bills recommended by Financial Committee of the 5th council
                      for the 1st teleconference


8/12/93
*******************************************************************************

          The Resolution on the 4th term financial report

         Sponsored by  Financial committee,  Draft by Shen Tong

    Whereas the 4th term financial report was given in an incomplete form
and even after the 5th term budget was submitted to financial committee of
the council, the report is still an estimated number.

    Whereas since the Ifcss HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
responsibility to the members of the council and Ifcss and have the right
to know the finance of the Ifcss.

    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
report for last term and a list of Ifcss equipmaents.

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

         The Resolution on Compensation for Members of Transition Team

         Sponsored by Finance Committee,  Draft by Zhou Hongguang

    Whereas new presidency and vice presidency have been elected on the
annual IFCSS congress, and the transition of the HQ administration has to
be made between the outgoing term and the new term;

    Whereas a transition team has to be set up to ensure the smooth
transfer of the HQ administration and there has no such a team exist;

    Whereas to ensure function of the transition team, the team has to be
consist of no fewer than two members from the outgoing term and no more
than two members from the new term;

    Whereas the members of the transition team have to be compensated for
their work and there is no such regualtions being set before; and

    Whereas the compensation for the team are as follows:
    outgoing term members to be paid no less than two(2) weeks new term
members to be paid more than two(2) weeks, starting as of the date of
report to the HQ, which should be within seven(7) days of the election, by
the new term members the compensation for the transition team should no
more than thirty(30) days.

    Therfore, be it resolved by the 1st 5th Council teleconference that
the transition team members be compensated as the above setforth.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        The Resolution on the Raising of the Budget of the 5th Council

        Sponsored by  Financial Committee,  Draft by Bing Qi

    Whereas there are some unexpected issues that need to be discussed
within the council by teleconference and in some cases council members have
to go to D.C. to work with the HQ.

    Whereas the current budget of the council is limited.

    Be it solved:

    The miscellaneous part of the budget of the 5th council will be raised
from $1000 to $3000. To use this part of money needs the approval of the
majority of the council.

================================================================================

    Amendament for the Ifcss Financial regulations

    Article 1.  change "after he is elected as the president." to after
    he starts transition period.

    Article 5. change "after he is elected." to  after he starts
    transition period.

    Article 11. add (no less than two representatives) after "any
    aythorized agent of the council."

    Article 16 add  (include president,vice-president,treasurer,assistant
    treasurer...etc.any related person.) before "if is recommended by
    the council."

********************************************************************************

    /end


================================================================================









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Hi, Dong. Would you please post my follow questions to the council net?

Thanks. -- Yuhe

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Following are some questions about the new term budget. I'd like to
catch your attention. I think I don't need to say anything about the
importance of the Annual Budget. You all must know.

I am sorry I am doing this a little bit late. I just have that time to
do it.


1. We need a detail on the HQ Staff Compensation, how much for a full
staff and how to pay the part-time Accountant. The budget looks like the
HQ want to raise the salary. I don't mean they cannot raise the salary.
But, I think the budget does not mean to raise the salary. It may
confuse.

The 4th term budget was

  1) HQ Staff Compensation

     Four Full Time Staff Members
     Plus Casual Part Time Staffs       $1,200 X 4     $ 57,600

     Housing Compention                 $  500 X 4     $ 24,000

     Public Relation Allowance          $  100 X 4     $  4,800
     ----------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                          $ 86,400

For the 5th term, it becomes

 (1) HQ Staff Compensation

     Four Full Time Staff Members
     and One Part Time Accountant    $2,000 X 4           $96,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $96,400

It is $10,000 more!

2. I did not check the exact cost for last term HQ' operating. You may
ask them to compare the cost to the budget. But the budget for this item
is $7,900 more, including $5,000 for Travel/Transportation and $2,000 for
Office Equipment (what kind of?).

3. What does it mean in item (7)? It raises $18,200.

4. Where is the money for Local CSS Organizations? If it is not included
in the budget, the Revenue from Student Service should exclude the
commission to the Local CSS Organizations. That means, according to the
current rate, the Student Service will have about $170,000 income,
$70,000 more than last term budget. As I know, the medical insurance is
facing very strong competition, the long distance program has difficulty
to promote, and other services have not set up yet and are hard to
estimate. Then how does the $70,000 come?

5. The 4th term had a budget to hire an American lawyer of Minnisota to
make fundations' projects, including in the budget for Working Committee.
The wages depended on how much fund was raised. The budget was about
$80,000. In fact, that guy resigned at very beginning. Therefore, the
budget was saved. Excluding this $80,000 from the 4th term budget, the
5th term will increase $35,700 expenditure, but the total revenue,
including the remainer from the 4th term, will decrease $50,500. In my
opinion, if the revenue decreases, the expenditure should decreases
accordingly, unless it is absolutely necessary. In practice, if the
income exceeds the revenue in the budget plan, you may plan more
expenditure.



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To save time and let us have ideas what's going to happen, here's
some of my thoughts on different issues. I might change my mind if enough
evident is provided.

Sorry if this is not in order, but I am just writing this while reading
through my emails.

1. speaking order of members: [by alphabeta]
	Chen Dong, Ding Yungui, Dong Liqun, Fan Hongran, Li Wenyan, Liang Er, 
	Liu Chen, Qi Bing, Ren Songlin, Shao Qing, Shen Tong, Wang Jing,
	Xu Datong, Zhang Feng, Zhang Li, Zhou Hongguang
2. The Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS
	>our attention will be more focused on
	>guiding and organizing the CSS to participate in scientific,
	>cultural and economic activities in China.
   [suggestion] change "in China" to "both in China and US"
   [reason]     Our fundamental obligation is serving CSS in US. 
	        I suspect only half of them are ready to do business with 
	        China. Most of them is still in school.
3. The IFCSS Annual Budget
	Please read Yuhe's suggestion (in the previous mail).

	Where can I find a copy of actual spending report of last term ?
	It's hard to understand those numbers without compare to actual
	cost.
	I am sure Shen Tong etc. checked it carefully. So I am counting on
	you.
4. Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
	>Vice President:   Shi Heping      (temporary)
    [question] Is he paid ? From the budget proposal, doesn't seem to be.
               But it's hard to believe, at least he is working in HQ now.
	>Working Committees
    [suggestion] i) WC chair candidates or somebody should brief what they are 
	         going to do this year.
    
		 ii) motion that "Theoretic Research Committee" should document 
		 and archive IFCSS important 
			a) documentations, 
			b) disputes and how they were solved (not necessary 
			   through SVC, might just under table negotiation),
        		c) events.
    		 iii) suggest (not motion, but could be send a memo to) 
    		 "IFCSS Newsletter Editor in Chief" add a column "Inside HQ" in
    		 the Newsletter. Report detail of HQ operation, background for 
		 CSS general concern events, disputes.
		 iv) set committee in charge of the exchange and student 
 		 services.
    [reason] for iv), here's a loophole of our bylaw. It only require
	     council to approve working committee, but not metioned other
	     equivalent brances. This loophole has the potential to allow HQ
	     name all important committees something else and escape the
	     supervision of council.

    [??] By IFCSS Financial Regulations (C3042) 
	Article 1. The president must nominate to the council a treasurer and 
	an assistant treasuer within seven days after he is elected as the pre.
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^        ^^^^^
	    HQ obvious violate it. Shall we change the regulation now or next 
	    meeting? I don't think assistant treasuer is necessary. Or maybe
	    HQ has to get one for the time being. (I just hate to see obvious 
	    violation of rules)
5. RESOLUTIONS POSTED BY COUNCILS
5a.	Sponsored by Liang Er, Seconded by xxxxxx
    [suggestion] If xxxxxx is still missing, I would like to cosponsor it.
	The name can be "regulation for IFCSS project"
    [original] I will talk to Liang Er about this.
	>All contracts related to the projects mentioned above are effective
	>only when the president of IFCSS get the contracts ratified by the
	>Council or the working committee appointed by the Council.
    [amendment] IFCSS HQ shall not sign project contracts prior to the
	ratification of council or council finance chair.
    [reason] we can not vote all projects. There could be many and there
	might not be time to wait for next council meeting.
    [original]
	>And the delegates appointed by the Council have the right and 
	>responsibilities to supervise and participate in the decision-making 
	>of the administration of the contracted projects.
    [amendment] Council has right to monitor and stop any working committees
	or projects unless it violate IFCSS constitution, bylaw or local law.
    [reason] We should have the power to stop projects just as working 
	committees when they run out of order.
	But micro management overkill and cause too much dispute.
5b. The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars Service ...
    [comment] I disagree with this.
    [reason] It's not I don't agree, this resolution is too skimpy.
	The fundation is a very serious change to current IFCSS structure.
	We need more thinking and much more detail regulation before
	implement it.  For example, how do you legally provent the
	foundation run away ? just like the Zhao Haiqing's WC.
	What is the HQ's relation to foundation ?
	In waht way the fundation donate to HQ ? How much can itself keep  ?
	Questions can goes on and on.
	So maybe it's best to set up a task force or working committee
	accroding to 5da resolution 512, to study the feasibility.

[To be continued] (It just get too long now)



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*************************************************************
	The Bill recommended by Personnel Committee 
	of the 5th council  for the 1st teleconference

The Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS 
recommended by Mr. Lin Changshen, the President 
of 5th IFCSS, has been approved by Personnel 
Committee of the 5th council. 

Songlin Ren (signed)
Chair, Personnel Committee of the 5th council 
Aug. 13, 1992

=======================================================
The report of Personnel Committee of the 5th council
=======================================================

               Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
        Approved by Personnel Committee of the 5th council 
                      

		Aug. 13, 1992
                 
                          
                    Headquarters Office
                    -------------------

          President:   Lin Changsheng  (full time)
     Vice President:   Shi Heping      (temporary)
 Executive Director:   Liu Xiaozhu     (full time)
     Chief of Staff:   Huang Songyun   (full time)
         Newsletter:   Zhang Qingsong  (part time)
          Treasurer:   Jiang Zuihong   (part time)


                    Working Committees
                    ------------------

   Human Rights Committee:                Xiao Qiang
   Government Affairs Committee:          Liu Xiaozhu
   Grassroots Organizations Committee:    Huang Songyun
   Post Graduation Liaison Committee:     Deng Yuanpei
   Fund Raising Committee:                Shi Heping
   Theoretic Research Committee:          Wu Tao
   IFCSS Newsletter Editor in Chief:      Zhang Qingsong
   Chinese Community Information Center:  Ding Jian

----------------------------------------------------------

Xiao Qiang , Human Rights Committee.
(Interviewed by Songlin Ren)

Mr. Xiao is a professional human right worker. He has 
stopped his Ph.D education (University of Notre Dame) 
to become a professional human right worker in China 
Human Right (New York). He also was vice Executive 
Director of IFCSS HQ. He is a active member of both 
IFCSS and China Human Right. He has great knowledge 
and contribution of China human right affair.   

*	Mr. Xia's position arrangement is approved by 
	Personnel Committee of the 5th council. 

------------------------------------------------------------

Shi Heping,  Fund Raising Committee 
(Vice President of IFCSS concurrently in Charge). 
(Interviewed by Songlin Ren)

BS. Anhui Normal University, 82
MS. Foreign Affair College, Beijing, 85
PhD.  Candidate, VA Tech.

Mr. Shi has been the active member of IFCSS since the 
1st IFCSS. He was the Vice Executive Director of 1st 
IFCSS, President Assistant of 4th IFCSS and Vice 
President of 5th IFCSS.  Mr. Shi is very familiar with the 
fund raising business of IFCSS. He have started many 
fund raising program in 4th IFCSS. Some of the program 
need to been done in this term. Mr. Shi is temporarily 
work full time from now on to September and will closely 
work with the HQ for the fund raising business as an advisor. 
Mr. Shi love IFCSS and contribute several years to the 
IFCSS. He has very strong knowledge and  foreign affair 
ability. He has many connections to the various foundations. 
He' local is near  to Washington DC and New York. 
Mr. Shi has several good ideas for the IFCSS fund raising.   

*	Mr. Sh's position arrangement is approved by 
	Personnel Committee of the 5th council. 

---------------------------------------------------------------
Ding Jian,   Chinese Community Information Center.
(Interviewed by Songlin Ren)

BS. Beijing University,
MS, UCLA, 1991.

Mr. Ding has been the active member of IFCSS since the 
1st IFCSS. He was the president candidate of 1st IFCSS. 
Mr. Ding established the IFCSS computer network, and 
has been the network manager since it was built up. 
Mr. Ding has strong technique experience and skills. 
The IFCSS computer is physically located in DingUs 
place (University of TX). 

*	Mr. Din's position arrangement is  approved by 
	Personnel Committee of the 5th council. 

---------------------------------------------------------

Deng Yuanpei, Post Graduation Liaison Committee.
(Interviewed by Songlin Ren)

B.S.  	Nankai University, 1982
M.S.	Dalian Institute of Chemical Physics
	The Chinese Academy of Sciences, Dalian, China, 85
Ph.D.	The Ohio State University, 1991

Mr. Deng was the delegate for the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th 
IFCSS Congresses, Council member of the Midwest Region 
The Independent Federation of Chinese Students and 
Scholars in U.S.A. President of the Chinese Student and 
Scholar Association at the University of Kansas, President 
of the Chinese Student Committee at the University of 
Kansas and President of the Chinese Student Found at 
the University of Kansas.Currently, Mr. Deng is a DOE-ORAU 
Postdoctoral Fellow of The Oak Ridge National Laboratory, 
Tennessee and Executive director of the East Tennessee 
Chinese Association. He has also involved  many 
professional activities such as Coordinator of the Chemistry 
Division, the Chinese Student and Scholar Association at 
the Ohio State University,  Member of the American Chemical 
Society, Member of the American Association for the 
advancement of Science.

Mr. Deng has a great proposal for the Professional Affairs 
Committee (see appendix). He is the great nominee for 
this position. 

*	Mr. Deng' position arrangement is  approved by 
	Personnel Committee of the 5th council. 

------------------------------------------------------------

Liu Xiaozhu,  Executive Director of HQ,  
Government Affairs Committee (concurrently in Charge). 
(Interviewed by Liang Er)

BS. Beijing Foreign Language College
MS. Foreign Affair College, Beijing
PhD.  Candidate, University of Arizona at Tucson

Mr. Liu was the delegate of 1st IFCSS congress, the Council 
Member of the 2nd IFCSS, and the member of Theoretic 
Research Committee of the 4th IFCSS. He will be a full time 
staff of HQ. He is very interested in the IFCSS work. He will 
be very happy to serve all of the Chinese students of new-
coming, students at school and graduates. 

Mr. Liu has very great ability to work IFCSS HQ. He has 
very strong foreign affair and English background, and he 
is very familiar with IFCSS daily works. Most important thing is, 
he is such person has good personnel status, and he like to 
contribute his ability to IFCSS. 

*	Mr. Lu's position arrangement is  approved by 
	Personnel Committee of the 5th council. 

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Zhang Qingsong,    IFCSS Newsletter Editor in Chief.  
(Interviewed by Liang Er)

BS. Nijing University, 1982,
PhD.  Candidate, UVA

Mr. Zhang was the delegate of the 2nd IFCSS congress, 
local coordinator of IFCSS,  vice chair of  Human Rights 
Committee of the 3rd IFCSS, Executive Director of HQ  of 
the 4th IFCSS. He will be a part time staff of HQ. 

Mr. Zhang has good personnel quality, and ability in writing 
and computer technology. He is very familiar with IFCSS 
situations. H'd to like to contribute his time to IFCSS. 

*	Mr. Zhang'sposition arrangement is approved by 
	Personnel Committee of the 5th council. 

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Jiang Zuihong   (part time) Treasurer of HQ,  
(Interviewed by Liang Er)

Master of Accounting, UVA, 1991

Ms. Jiang was the Treasurer of 4th HQ. She did good job 
for the position. She very professional and reliable 
person for the position.  

*	Ms. Jian's position arrange aapproved by 
	Personnel Committee of the 5th council. 

---------------------------------------------------------------

Huang Songyun, Chief of Staff of HQ, 
Grassroots Organizations Committee (concurrently in Charge) 
(Interviewed by Fan Hongran)

Graduate Student of Engineer, University of Arizona.

Mr. Hang was the council member of 4th IFCSS, the 
chief member of the Secretariat 5th Congress of IFCSS. 
He did very good job for the logistic service of IFCSS 
5th Congress and round-table conference of the 4th IFCSS. 
He is a hard worker and conscientious in his work. He is 
the good nominee for the logistic service of IFCSS. 

Mr. Hang immigrate to US after he high school education. 
He finished his college education in US. He has deep 
knowledge of both the American and Chinese culture, 
and he has very good English. 

*	Mr. Huag's position arrangement is approved by 
	Personnel Committee of the 5th council. 

----------------------------------------------------------

Wu Tao,Theoretic Research Committee 
(Interviewed by Fan Hongran)

PhD.  Candidate, Arizona State University.

Mr. Wu was the chair of Theoretic Research Committee 
of 3rd IFCSS, the major member of constitution revising 
group for the 4th IFCSS. He is very active in both local 
Chinese student organization and IFCSS activities.  He 
has great professional knowledge and practical experience 
for the theoretic research in IFCSS affair. 
  
*	Mr. W's position arrangement is approved by 
	Personnel Committee of the 5th council. 

-----------------------------------------------------------

Songlin Ren (signed)
Chair, Personnel Committee of the 5th council 
Aug. 13, 1992


==============================================================

Appendix

Proposal for the Professional Affairs Committee (PAC),
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and 
scholars (IFCSS)

>From : 	Dr. Yanpei Deng, nominee for the chairman of PAC, 
		the Oak Ridge National Laboratory

TO:		IFCSS HQ AND IFCSS Council

DATE:	August 11, 1993


I.	INTRODUCTION

	It has been four years since IFCSS was founded in 1989.  Since 
then, large number of Chinese students and scholars (CSS) have 
graduated from schools and started their professional career in the 
U.S.  Many of them are former IFCSS officials, the delegates of the 
previous IFCSS Congresses, and CSS who have supported and 
participated IFCSS and its activities.  These CSS are basically the 
people with advanced degrees and great deal of knowledge in their 
professional fields, some of them have already made great 
achievement.  

	For the past years, many CSS organizations have emerged as 
various fashions.  Some of the organization are established on the 
basis of common goals (e.g. Chinese Academy Link and China News 
Digest) or as fields of professions (e.g., the associations for political 
science and economics).  These two types are usually the nationwide 
organizations.  Their members are connected through the remote 
communication tools, such as, mail, computer networks and 
telecommunication facilities.  Generally, it is a loose connection.  The 
most majority of the organizations are formed on the basis of regions 
(e.g. East Tennessee Chinese Association and Midwest Chinese Science 
and Culture Association).  These regional organizations attract local 
CSS professionals and provide social, cultural, and entertaining 
opportunities for their members.  At same time, they also participate 
in the political activities involving their own interests both locally 
and nationally (e.g. CSPA lobby).

	It has been a common understanding both inside IFCSS and in 
general public among CSS that IFCSS must pay greater attention 
toward its grass root organizations and their needs.  The new IFCSS 
leadership has committed to work on this issue and put it as one of 
the highest priorities.  By doing so, two group of the CSS have to be 
considered.  One is the group of CSS who are still in the school, and 
certainly, another group are the those who have graduated.  The 
major task of the IFCSS Professional Affairs Committee (SHE4 TUAN2 
SHI4 WU4 GONG1 ZUO4 WEI3 YUAN2 HUI4 in Chinese), as the old 
name of the Professional Club, is to build the communication 
channels and strengthen the connections between IFCSS and the local 
CSS organizations; to increase IFCSS's influence among the CSS 
communities and in the American society.

	
II.	PLANS

1. Local CSS professional organizations

	PAC will emphasize on the local CSS professional organizations 
and encourage these organization to join IFCSS as members.  For the 
places where is no CSS organization exited, PAC will help to organize 
CSS in the towns, cities and regions.  The revised IFCSS charter 
during the third IFCSS Congress certainly has provided wider 
opportunity for these organizations involving IFCSS's activities.  
According to the suggests from IFCSS HQ and PAC's consideration, the 
membership fee can be collected on the basis of $10 per person 
through the local organizations as form of donation to IFCSS and the 
organizations will be registered with IFCSS as well.  PAC will improve 
the public outreach to introduce IFCSS and let CSS recognize IFCSS's 
achievements and activities.

	PAC will name four vice-chairpersons who will be in charge of 
East Coast, West Coast, Midwest, and South regions.  As a resident of 
the State of Tennessee, this nominee will involved daily operation of 
the Southeast region.

	Moreover, the IFCSS HQ is in the process of negotiation with the 
Asian American Association for the long distance telephone service.  
The IFCSS HQ and PAC have planned to provide telephone cards to 
the individuals whose organizations have joined IFCSS with charge in 
discount value.  The phone card can also be treated as identification 
of IFCSS membership.  In addition, IFCSS can financially benefit from 
the service as well.

2. IFCSS Golden Conference (IGC)

	Without exceptions, the CSS who come to the U.S. all face the 
enormous gaps between the east and west cultures as well as the 
different social values, social behavior and different societies.   
Although vary few incidents have happened, such as, the several 
suicides and homicides cases under the tremendous psychological 
stress which, more or less, may result from these cultural gaps, it has 
shocked the whole CSS communities.  It is our obligation, as part of 
CSS, to pay attention to these issues.  IGC will provide an opportunity 
for the CSS who have expertise in these fields to share their studies, 
to contribute and ease the CSS communities in this country.
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	The China's economy has been booming for the past few years.  
Many CSS are interested in participating in this historical event.  IGC 
will also provide the platform for the discussion of the China's 
political reform and economic development.

	The name of Golden Conference is initially from a series 
conferences in the scientific world, which are usually held in small 
colleges during the season of summer vocation in order to save 
budget.  Generally, the conferences are in relatively causal fashions.  

	IGC will be held in a small college of a big city in the summer 
next year.  PAC will take the obligation for the found raising, and 
hopefully, IGC can also get financial support from IFCSS HQ.

	PAC form a IGC organization committee, including committee 
chairperson and several program chairpersons in charge of various 
sessions of sociology, psychology, political science, and economic, etc.

3. Professional Data Bank

	PAC will set a computerized CSS Professional Data Bank (PDB) 
to help the CSS professionals seeking employment in various fields.  
PDB will collect information from the CSS professional and provide 
the information to potential employers, the employment service 
agencies, and related information centers.  PDB will also provide the 
information to the different levels of governmental Human Resources 
Offices, companies, and information centers in China.  The service of 
PDB for CSS will be free of charge, however, fee will be charged for 
the information and service for these interested employers, agencies, 
and centers for their needs.

	PAC will name a director for the PDB and several associated 
directors in charge of the different field, such as, physical sciences, 
life sciences, social sciences, and engineering, etc.

4. Nationwide CSS professional organizations

	Most of the members of these national CSS organizations are 
also the members of the local CSS organizations.  As the nationwide 
organizations, they have made great progress in certain fields.  PAC 
will form an Advisory Board consist of the officials of these 
organizations in order to improve their communication and 
cooperation with IFCSS.  The advisors will be named by the joined 
invitation of the president of IFCSS and the chairman of PAC.

5. Legal advisor

	PAC will invite a U.S. law attorney as the legal advisor for 
handling the cases requiring legal service.


III.	CONCLUSION

	As a national organization for the CSS in the U.S., the future of 
IFCSS will be determined by the support and participation of large 
majority of the CSS in this country.  On the another hand, lot of CSS 
have realized that it is necessary having a such organization to 
protect their interest and to express their voice.  The driving force 
for CSS to involve the IFCSS activities has to be the combination of 
the basis of both spiritual and materialized values.  By recognizing 
the importance of the ordinary CSS and these basis, IFCSS shall have 
a bright future. 

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         Call for 5th Term Council 1st Teleconference

To    : IFCSS Council, IFCSS HQ, and IFCSS SVC
>From  : Dong Liqun, Council Chairperson
Date  : Augest 2, 1993
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Colleagues,

As been required by the IFCSS Council Bylaw, the 1st regular Council
teleconference is called:

   Date: Saturday, Augest 14, 1992
  Start: 10:00pm EDT / 7:00pm PDT.

The conference main agenda includes: IFCSS HQ budget proposal, IFCSS HQ
work plan, IFCSS HQ staff and subcommittee chairpersons, all motions posed
by Council members.

IFCSS HQ proposals should be all ready in the next few days. All motions
to be raised in the teleconference must be posed on council e-mail
network at least three days before the meeting time. In order to have
enough time to discuss and amend motions before the meeting and tp cut the
meeting time, it is strong recommended that all Council members post their
motions in this week. Emergency motions can be raised at any time by
following the order of the conference.

All Council members are required to attend. IFCSS President is invited to
introduce HQ proposals. Some working committee Chairperson nominees, IFCSS
HQ staff nominees, and other relevant guests might be invited if necessary,
who shall not speak unless been asked to do so. Representatives from IFCSS
SVC will be invited to observe. 

The teleconference shall be open to the public in means of:

   1. Anyone who would like to audit, please contact Chen Dong
(301-405-5025 (o)), the Secretary of IFCSS Council, at least five working
days before the scheduled conference. Public audiences shall not speak or
disturb the meeting, any such action or attempts shall result in immediate
determination of all auditing connections. Public audiences shall pay for
their own expense, a $40.00 refundable deposit must be received before the
meeting starts.

   2. Or, audio tapes of the meeting can be obtained from Chen Dong one
week after the meeting. Please send your address and $4.00/cassatte to he
cost to:
         Mr. Chen Dong
         Lab. for Plasma Research
         University of Maryland
         College  Park, MD 20742

All participants please be ready at least 15 minites before the start
time. An telephone company's operator will call you at the number you
provided to me. If you will be on a phone whose number is not the same as
the home number on the Council directory, please inform me as soon as
possible. 

Please find the enclosed Order of the Teleconference. HQ proposals should
be out with the next few days.

If you have any concerns and/or suggestions, please let me know as soon as
possible.



Dong Liqun (signed)
Chairperson of IFCSS Council

==========================================================================

             Order of the Teleconference

Note: This order is based on Council Bylaw, previous Council practices,
      and Robert's Rules of Order. Please comment before it is adopted.

1.   The order of the Council first teleconference is recommended by the
Chairperson of IFCSS Council and shall be adopted by general consent or by
a majority vote of the Council members present in the teleconference.

2.   All main motions are debatable. Other motions shall be dealt with
according to Robert's Rules of Order. The debating time shall be limited
and controlled. For each motion, the sponser(s) shall have at most 3
minites to explain it before debate and every member shall have one (1)
minite to speak. If necessary, a second round of debate (1 minite for each
member) can be requested and seconded by Council members and approved by the
Chair. No more than two round debates shall be given to any motion.

     Council members can defer their speaking right once in each round.
Mamber's speaking shall not be accumulated or carried over to the next
round, but it can be given to, or borrowed from, another member during the
same round of the debate.

3.   For the Budget and Personnel Nominations proposed by HQ, the IFCSS
President shall be given sufficient time to explain and answer questions. 

4.   The speaking order of members shall follow the order of the Council
Directory which shall be prepared by the Secretary of IFCSS Council.

5.   A motion shall be accepted as emergency motion by a majority vote of
Council members present in the meeting.

     Emergency motions shall be processed upon its acceptance.

6.   The conference business order shall be:

     On passage of the order of the teleconference;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ budget proposal;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ work plan, including working committees;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ staff, committee Chairperson, project managers
         (if provided) nominations;
     On passage of motions may be raised by Council members.

7.   The conference shall be presided by Council Chairperson.  The
co-chair shall take over responsibility when the Chairperson participates
in the debate.

8.   Any disputes or confusions shall be solved by following Council
Bylaw, (if not defined, then) Robert's Rules of Order.

============================================================================

           Agenda for the 1st teleconference of the Council
                    ( Suggested by Liqun Dong )

1.   On the Adoption of the Order for the Meeting;

2.   Openning Statement (Free Speech)           (about 15 minutes)
      -- At most one minute for each council member;

3.   HQ Report, including Working Plan, Budget, and Personnel Arrangement
      -- Lin Changsheng                          (15 minutes)

4.   Question and Answer                         (25 minutes)
      -- At most two questions for each member. If more question is
         required, it will be ordered on unanimous consent;

5.   HQ Introduction on Student Service Porjects (CSPA, Health Insurance,
      etc. )
      -- Shi Heping                              (10 minutes)

6.   Question and Answer                         (15 minutes)
      -- one questions for each member. If more question is required,
         it will be ordered on unanimous consent;

7.   Package of Council's Resolutions on HQ Budget  (25 minutes)
      -- Sponsored by the Council Finance Committee or its memebers

8.   Package of Council's Resolutions on HQ Personnel Arrangement
                                                  (25 minutes)
      -- Sponsored by the Council Personnel Committee or its members

9.   Other Resolutions Promoted by Council memebers.  (45 minutes)



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=========================================================================

Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 13:24:47 -0400
From: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@wam.umd.edu>
To: chair@ifcss.org, council@ifcss.org
Subject: 5th term working plan


              The Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS
              ==================================
              (For approval of the IFCSS Council)

                       Changsheng Lin
                       August 11, 1993


To:    IFCSS Council
Date:  August 11, 1993
Re:    Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS

Dear Council Members:

The following is the working plan for 5th term IFCSS:

    While continuing human rights activities and expanding and
improving student services, our attention will be more focused on
guiding and organizing the CSS to participate in scientific,
cultural and economic activities in China. We plan to have
following projects:

    1. Organize student voluntary service groups to give
scientific, educational and economic training seminars in China. We
plan to organize three groups: education, science and technology,
and business management.

    2. To organize a Small Business Conference which would provide
an opportunity for rural enterprises and private owned business in
China to recruit people, business opportunity and contract from the
CSS community.

    3. Establish IFCSS student awards. The awards will be given to
outstanding undergraduate students to further promote the influence
of IFCSS in China.

    4. To explore the opportunity to establish Returned Student
Station in major cities and Overseas Student Villages and help
promote the establishment of Overseas Student Economic and
Scientific Development Zones.

    Besides the exchange projects, this term will strengthen and
expand student services. The new projects will include:

    *  Telephone Card
    *  Long Distance Telephone Service
    *  Life Insurance
    *  Credit Card
    *  Post Graduate and Post-CSPA student Health Insurance
    *  Placement Program
    *  Hongliang (match-maker) service
    *  New Student Reception Center
    *  CSS Guide Book
    *  Airline Ticket Service


    In other aspects, we will continue the Congressional Interim
program. We hope to send 6 people to Congress this year.

    We will organize a medium sized seminar to train the student
activist on organizing social activities.

    We will edit a Congressional report which will collect the
major news and issues in the CSS community. This would help better
promote the interests of Chinese students.

    This term will start two constructive projects: CSS Job
Searching Project and Information Center for Exchange with China.

    There will be several important activities:

    1.  IFCSS delegation to visit Taiwan in the end of 1993.
    2.  Joint Conference in the Spring of 1994.
    3.  Cooperate with the Taiwan Student Union to organize 4th
        Taiwan Summer Tour/Seminar.
    4.  Second Small Business Seminar in Taiwan. (Summer 1993)
    5.  Hosting the Meeting of Global Federation of Chinese
        Students.
    6.  IFCSS 5th anniversary celebration activities.
    7.  IFCSS 6th Congress.

    Dear colleagues, we will have a lot of things to do. Let us
work together and make IFCSS stronger and more influential.

    Comments and suggestions are welcome.

    Thanks for your attention.

                                            Sincerely,

                                            Lin Changsheng
                                            IFCSS President


======================================================================


                     The IFCSS Annual Budget

                    Fiscal Year of 1993-1994


A.   Revenue (Estimated)

     Donation from Society                               $120,000

     Student Service                                     $100,000

     Grant from Foundations                               $30,000

     Remaining Funds from Fiscal Year of 1992-1993        $69,500

     ============================================================
     Total Revenue                                       $319,500



B.   Expenditure

     Operation Cost                  Monthly             Annually

 (1) HQ Staff Compensation

     Four Full Time Staff Members
     and One Part Time Accountant    $2,000 X 4           $96,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $96,400


 (2) HQ Operating Cost

     Office Rent                                          $10,900

     Phone Bills                                          $15,000

     Mailing                                               $2,000

     Office Supply                                         $2,000

     Printing/Copying                                      $2,000

     Travel/Transportation                                $15,000

     Office Equipment                                      $3,000

     Miscellaneous                                         $5,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $54,900


 (3) Council (16 Members)

     Tele-Conference                                       $4,000

     Telephone Compensation                                $6,000

     Miscellaneous                                         $1,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $11,000

 (4) Supervisory Committee (5 Members)

     Tele-Conference                                         $800

     Telephone Compensation                                $1,800

     Miscellaneous                                           $200
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                              $2,800


 (5) Working Committees                                   $10,000


 (6) Newsletter                                           $18,000

 (7) Project Assistants                                   $36,000


 (8) Round-Table Meeting                                  $12,000


 (9) The 6th Congress                                     $60,000



     ============================================================
     Total Expenditure                                  $300,700


C.  Surplus                                               $18,800?




===================================================================

               Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
         (A proposal submitted to IFCSS Council for approval)

                      August 1, 1993


                    Headquarters Office
                    -------------------

          President:   Lin Changsheng  (full time)
     Vice President:   Shi Heping      (temporary)
 Executive Director:   Liu Xiaozhu     (full time)
     Chief of Staff:   Huang Songyun   (full time)
         Newsletter:   Zhang Qingsong  (part time)
          Treasurer:   Jiang Zuihong   (part time)


                    Working Committees
                    ------------------

   Human Rights Committee:                Xiao Qiang
   Government Affairs Committee:          Liu Xiaozhu
   Grassroots Organizations Committee:    Huang Songyun
   Post Graduation Liaison Committee:     Deng Yuanpei
   Fund Raising Committee:                Shi Heping
   Theoretic Research Committee:          Wu Tao
   IFCSS Newsletter Editor in Chief:      Zhang Qingsong
   Chinese Community Information Center:  Ding Jian


Note:   

"The exchange and student services are the two most important tasks
in this term. Considering the complication and burden of work in those
two areas, I plan not to establish committees, but make the projects
on a contract basis. The HQ will accept proposals and sign contract
on a case by case basis."


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
==========================================================================




                     RESOLUTIONS POSTED BY COUNCILS
                   (Until Aug 13, Friday, 3:00am PDT)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

                ***NAME***

             Sponsored by Liang Er, Seconded by xxxxxx


Whereas the projects on talents exchange with mainland China, the projects
on services to students ans scholars, and other financ-related projects
are very important for IFCSS;

Whereas the Council has been entitled the legal responsibilities of IFCSS
by the IFCSS Charter;

Whereas the resolution on the supreme legitimacy of the similar projects
were passed in the 5th Congress of IFCSS;

It is resolved that:

All contracts related to the projects mentioned above are effective only
when the president of IFCSS get the contracts ratified by the Council or
the working committee appointed by the Council. And the delegates
appointed by the Council have the right and responsibilities to supervise
and participate in the decision-making of the administration of the
contracted projects.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

         The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars
                          Service Fundation

             Sponsored by Hongran Fan, Second by Liqun Dong


     Whereas with the still increasing large Chinese population in America,
the IFCSS, the only nation-wide Chinese Students and Scholars organization,
should take on the responsibility to better serve this social group in addi-
tion to promote democracy in our homeland of China.

     Whereas the history of the fundation of the IFCSS endowed her a distinct
characteristic, but its political actions are not adventageous under some
current circumstance. In order to keep its political continuity yet increase
the participation of new-arrivals and encourage more supports from the United
States, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and our homeland China,

     It is resovled that the IFCSS must establish a Chinese Students and
Scholars Service Fundation with a neutral image in order to unite and serve
a larger population of other groups, in the mean time, this Fundation can
build up a good public relationship for the IFCSS an response for fund
raising for the IFCSS.

      It is further resovled that this Service Fundation would have a dual
relationships with the IFCSS, first is under the jurisdiction , and second is
cooperation. The daily operation of this Fundation would not under the
direction of the IFCSS HQ or the IFCSS concil. This Fundation would be run by
the board of trustee which will be approved by th eIFCSS concil. The Fundation
will keep close professional relationship with the IFCSS , but the image to
the outside population should be of a non-political and a pure interest group,
it would not be involved in any of the IFCSS political actions and declara-
tions. The Fundation 's income and donation would be transfered to the IFCSS
based on the contract in accordance with the standard procedure which has
been followed in the United States.

_______________________________________________________________________________

              The Resolution on the Issue of New-Comers' Organization

               Sponsored by Wang Jing, Seconded by  xxxxxx

      While everybody has the right to have his/her organization, it is
even a good thing to see more and more Chinese organizations in the U. S.,
the situation under which the New-Comers' Organization (NCO) established
is worth of concerns, since it creates an image in the public that the CSS
community is splitting (into two different interests groups--the so-called
Old-Stayers' and the New-Comers'.)  Further operation of NCO, if based on
misunderstanding of and lacking of communication with IFCSS, would
possibily cause real split of CSS community.  It is something we should not
over-look.

      Be it solved:

        Being an organization that claims to serve the whole CSS community,
IFCSS should take the responsibility in this matter,
       1. Initiate communication with the NCO, to learn about their needs
and  complaints, show the willingness of working with them for their
interests, let them know that IFCSS is not against them;
       2. Provide necessary services, which may include equipmental
support, information consulting and funding (when possible) to support the
operation of NCO.

       While IFCCSS should help the NCO with its administration when
necessary it should should intend to take over the leadership.

        The IFCSS Council should appoint a special committee, possibily
the current Information and Survey Committee to oversee the IFCSS HQ in
the implementation of this very resolution.
_______________________________________________________________________________


         Bills recommended by Financial Committee of the 5th council
                      for the 1st teleconference


8/12/93
*******************************************************************************

          The Resolution on the 4th term financial report

         Sponsored by  Financial committee,  Draft by Shen Tong

    Whereas the 4th term financial report was given in an incomplete form
and even after the 5th term budget was submitted to financial committee of
the council, the report is still an estimated number.

    Whereas since the Ifcss HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
responsibility to the members of the council and Ifcss and have the right
to know the finance of the Ifcss.

    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
report for last term and a list of Ifcss equipmaents.

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

         The Resolution on Compensation for Members of Transition Team

         Sponsored by Finance Committee,  Draft by Zhou Hongguang

    Whereas new presidency and vice presidency have been elected on the
annual IFCSS congress, and the transition of the HQ administration has to
be made between the outgoing term and the new term;

    Whereas a transition team has to be set up to ensure the smooth
transfer of the HQ administration and there has no such a team exist;

    Whereas to ensure function of the transition team, the team has to be
consist of no fewer than two members from the outgoing term and no more
than two members from the new term;

    Whereas the members of the transition team have to be compensated for
their work and there is no such regualtions being set before; and

    Whereas the compensation for the team are as follows:
    outgoing term members to be paid no less than two(2) weeks new term
members to be paid more than two(2) weeks, starting as of the date of
report to the HQ, which should be within seven(7) days of the election, by
the new term members the compensation for the transition team should no
more than thirty(30) days.

    Therfore, be it resolved by the 1st 5th Council teleconference that
the transition team members be compensated as the above setforth.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        The Resolution on the Raising of the Budget of the 5th Council

        Sponsored by  Financial Committee,  Draft by Bing Qi

    Whereas there are some unexpected issues that need to be discussed
within the council by teleconference and in some cases council members have
to go to D.C. to work with the HQ.

    Whereas the current budget of the council is limited.

    Be it solved:

    The miscellaneous part of the budget of the 5th council will be raised
from $1000 to $3000. To use this part of money needs the approval of the
majority of the council.

================================================================================

    Amendament for the Ifcss Financial regulations

    Article 1.  change "after he is elected as the president." to after
    he starts transition period.

    Article 5. change "after he is elected." to  after he starts
    transition period.

    Article 11. add (no less than two representatives) after "any
    aythorized agent of the council."

    Article 16 add  (include president,vice-president,treasurer,assistant
    treasurer...etc.any related person.) before "if is recommended by
    the council."

********************************************************************************

           The Resolution recommended by Personnel Committee
             of the 5th council  for the 1st teleconference

The Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
recommended by Mr. Lin Changshen, the President
of 5th IFCSS, has been approved by Personnel
Committee of the 5th council.

Songlin Ren (signed)
Chair, Personnel Committee of the 5th council
Aug. 13, 1992


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

             Resolution on the Best Student Award Project

          Sponsored by Ding Yungui, Seconded by xxxxxx

Whereas the IFCSS Working Committee of Science and Technology, Culture, and
Education Exchange (the IFCSS WC in short hereafter) was authorized in the
last term to carry out a project that would award some college students in
China for their achievement in academical studies on a competitive and
selective basis;

Whereas the IFCSS WC was not able to carry out this project before the end of
the last term largely because of hard-to-control application process, and
thus the project has been carried over to the new term of the IFCSS;

Whereas the project is the first meaningful one of this type of the IFCSS in
its pursuit of educational and cultural exchange with China, and thus bears
a unique significance;

Whereas the IFCSS WC has announced the winners of the awards and the amount
of the awards;

Be it resolved

1) That twelve (12) awards shall be honored by IFCSS with a certificate
   under the name of the IFCSS WC;

2) That each one of the award winners selected by the IFCSS WC shall be
   awarded the promised $240.00 by IFCSS, part of which ($200) will come
   form the leftover of last term and the rest from external sources
   IFCSS shall go to;

3) That the IFCSS WC shall file a detailed report to the IFCSS headquarters
   on this project, including the rules of selection and all the application
   documents. These materials shall be permanently kept for future reference.


================================================================================




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Now, where am I ? 

5c. The Resolution on the Issue of New-Comers' Organization
    [amendment]
	Whereas IFCSS represents Chinese students and scholars (CSS) in the US,
	Whereas IFCSS has the responsibility to protect CSS's interest,
    to develope and to promote cooperation between groups in Chinese community,
	Whereas the different interest, lack of communication has caused
    misunderstanding between some later came CSS and other CSS,
	Whereas the fact they further formed speacial intersting group 
    (addressed as NCO in the following),

	It is IFCSS's responsibility to oversee and protect NCO's and other
    later came CSS's interest.

	Be it resolved:
	IFCSS HQ initiate contact with the NCO, show the willingness of working
    with them for their interests.

	Be it further resoled:
	IFCSS provide necessary help, support, consulting and guide to NCO.
    Initiating proper project cooperation with NCO wherein HQ feel feasible.

6. Bills recommended by Financial Committee of the 5th council
6a. The Resolution on the 4th term financial report
    [suggestion] Ask HQ to supply a list, verified by a third party will be
	enough. I don't think it's necessary to have financial committee go
	to there in person.

6b. The Resolution on Compensation for Members of Transition Team
    [???] I am not sure I understand it.
6c. The Resolution on the Raising of the Budget of the 5th Council
    [quote] >Whereas the current budget of the council is limited.
    [:-)] can we have unlimited budget. Boy I like that.

    [quote] >The miscellaneous part of the budget of the 5th council will be 
	    >raised from $1000 to $3000.
    [question] How does the number $1000 and $3000 comes ?
	What was the spending of council before ?
6d. Amendament for the Ifcss Financial regulations
    [quote] >Article 1.  change "after he is elected as the president." to
	    >after he starts transition period.
    [question] Who is the President between the time of of elected and 
	transisted :-)
    [suggestion] Change to:
	Article 1. The president must nominate to the council a treasurer
	within 7 days from the time he starts to fulfill president's duty.
    [reason] When do we have an assistant treasuer ?

    [quote] >Article 5. ...
    [          ] see above.

    [quote] > Article 11. ...
    [question] where ?
    [suggestion] Retype the whole sentens to clarity for amendment

    [quote] > Article 16. ...
    [ :-) ] What's the point ? Certainly we won't impeach Clinton who's
	not related, and we should impeach council member and SVC who violate
	the regulation also. But what about staff with no possition ? That's
	called fired.
7. The Resolution recommended by Personnel Committee
    [....] OK, everybody is happy.
	I like Dr. Yanpei Deng's proposal. I feel all of those nominee
	should write one.
	Or maybe as I suggested, we pass some resolution to give them some
	specific job to do.
	For example, the archivement and documentation of IFCSS important
	events, documents and others.
8. Resolution on the Best Student Award Project
    [silence] If I feel I want to say any thing, it will take me probably 50
	lines. So I give up. But I disagree with this proposed resolution,
	except the last point 3).


Waw, I finally, finished this.
Gosh, I hope you guy actually read it.
If you don't, ....

I will read it :-)

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Status: RO

But I doubt it. It's a little bit late.
Anyway, I still forward it.

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I have read you long comments. It looks great. But since I left the
council and have not caught all the proposed resolution, I cannot
say anything specifically. But I'd like say something generally.


> Now, where am I ? 

You are where you are.

> 5c. The Resolution on the Issue of New-Comers' Organization
>     [amendment]

Seems good.

> 6. Bills recommended by Financial Committee of the 5th council
> 6a. The Resolution on the 4th term financial report

Is there any problem about the 4th term financial report?

> 6b. The Resolution on Compensation for Members of Transition Team
>     [???] I am not sure I understand it.

Neither I. The members of transition team should only include the 4th
term staff and 5th term staff (including acting positions, but should
not exceed the number in the 4th term). They are all paied. You don't
need a resolution to compensate them.

> 6c. The Resolution on the Raising of the Budget of the 5th Council
>     [quote] >Whereas the current budget of the council is limited.
>     [:-)] can we have unlimited budget. Boy I like that.

But I don't like that. You see, the expenses in the last term council
was $5,474.31, much less than the budget, $11,000.00. How and for what
do you guys want to raise the budget?

> 6d. Amendament for the Ifcss Financial regulations
>     [quote] >Article 1.  change "after he is elected as the president." to
> 	    >after he starts transition period.
>     [question] Who is the President between the time of of elected and 
> 	transisted :-)

The IFCSS Bylaw says the newly-elected is the President. See the SVC
resolution, S4003. It says:

        "This is an official response to the appeal from
Mr. Jinghong Li on the issue of the Presidency of IFCSS.

        "Under the jurisdiction of the current version of
the Constitution of IFCSS, there is only one President of
IFCSS, who should be the one elected on the latest annual
Congress of IFCSS. The Presidency should be effective right
about adjourn of the Congress. The RESOLUTION-011 adopted
on the Fourth Congress of IFCSS by no means revised, or
surpassed the Constitution. Therefore, the President of
current term is Mr. Xiao Geng."

>     [suggestion] Change to:
> 	Article 1. The president must nominate to the council a treasurer
> 	within 7 days from the time he starts to fulfill president's duty.
>     [reason] When do we have an assistant treasuer ?

I suggest the change:

     Article 1. The president must nominate to the council a treasurer
and an assistant treasurer within seven days after the term transition.

>     [quote] >Article 5. ...
>     [          ] see above.
> 
>     [quote] > Article 11. ...
>     [question] where ?
>     [suggestion] Retype the whole sentens to clarity for amendment

     Article 11. The treasurer must open all accounting books and other
financial records to the council or any authorized agent of the council
all financial records upon a written request from the council or
authorized council committees.

>     [quote] > Article 16. ...
>     [ :-) ] What's the point ? Certainly we won't impeach Clinton who's
> 	not related, and we should impeach council member and SVC who violate
> 	the regulation also. But what about staff with no possition ? That's
> 	called fired.

Nobady can violate the regulation except the HQ. Can you guys write an
IFCSS check? Can you guys withdraw money from the IFCSS accounts?
Therefore the president and treasurer are the ones who is responsible
to the council.

> 7. The Resolution recommended by Personnel Committee
>     [....] OK, everybody is happy.
> 	I like Dr. Yanpei Deng's proposal. I feel all of those nominee
> 	should write one.
> 	Or maybe as I suggested, we pass some resolution to give them some
> 	specific job to do.
> 	For example, the archivement and documentation of IFCSS important
> 	events, documents and others.
> 8. Resolution on the Best Student Award Project
>     [silence] If I feel I want to say any thing, it will take me probably 50
> 	lines. So I give up. But I disagree with this proposed resolution,
> 	except the last point 3).

I haven't seen this resolution yet. What's going on?

> Waw, I finally, finished this.
> Gosh, I hope you guy actually read it.
> If you don't, ....
> 
> I will read it :-)

Nice job. But don't forget your thesis. That's more important than this.

Please forward to the council net, if you think OK.

By the way, can you tell me where are those resolutions? I was not on
the council net for a few hours yesteday. How much did I missed?


Yuhe


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Dear Council memebers,

	As a delegate to the IFCSS 5da, I have following comments on the
IFCSS 5th HQ's budget and working plan.  As my basic responsibility as
a delegate,  I like to get the feedback on my comments regarding to
your resolution thereafter your tele-conference.  Thanks.

	Comments on Budget:

1. The expenditure budget items (1) HQ personnels (32%) and (2) HQ
Operation (18%) consist 50% of this term's total budget, while the 
expenditure for working committee (item 5) and project assistants (item
7) is 15% of the total budget.  Additionally, there is another 10% of
budget for newsletter (item 6) and round-table meeting (item 8), which I
consider it as the public affair and can be attributed to HQ operation
expense.  My question is: does the IFCSS HQ use existed IFCSS
organization and it's network and pubic image to make revenue from
donation and grant, and to expense 50% of them for HQ personnels
and HQ operation?  And only use 15% of them to fufill IFCSS's projects
and works of its working committee carried on?  If the answers are yes
for the above two questions,  then I like to know what's IFCSS  for?

2.  From the pure financial point of view, if an organization uses 50% its 
total revenue for maintaining the HQ running and only put 15% into its 
"producting" line,  I don't think this organization can survive longer.
Please each of you council memebers take your responsibility to help our
own organization.

3.  If IFCSS HQ only put 15% its revenue into IFCSS's "producting" line,
how IFCSS HQ can expect more than 1/3 of its revenue from public
donation?  How?  If this term still can "cheat" the public, then in the
very near future, no one will believe or trust IFCSS. So please all of
you council memebers think twice before pass the budget and please save IFCSS
and save our own organiztation!!!

4.  The total budget for council and supervisory committee is about
4.5%.  Does the IFCSS HQ really take 10 times responsibility or do 10 times
of IFCSS's work and projects from the budget proportion per say?
Please notice, everyone else contribute voluntary work except HQ
fulltime staffs.  If the winning of election means having the right to
relocate all th emoney for personal interest, then I don't think we lack
of candidates later on.  Please stop abusing power.

	Comments on working plan:

	I would like to say the working plan of IFCSS 5th term is 
a good one.  my questions are:

1.  With about 12% of its $300,700 total budget, i.e., $36,000, how HQ
can supply necessary assistance to for this great working plan?  Ask 
everyone else to make voluntary service and pay by own packet while
IFCSS HQ take 50% revenue for its personnel's expenses and operation
expenses, will this work?

2.  As an organization, there are some projects and agreements with
other groups or organizations, which requires current term of HQ to
carry on the commitment to fulfill the agreements and the projects.  Why
the working plan does not mention on going projects from last term at
all?  If each term of HQ wants to carry its own plan without
consideration of the continuity of IFCSS as an organization,  I don't
think IFCSS have any power in public or as an organization to survive
longer!!!

3.  There are many functional groups exsited in USA for special interest
peoples.  These Chinese students ans scholar and professional groups and
organizations have done excellent job regarding to each area they focused
on.  Why does not IFCSS seek collabration with those groups rather to
start independent projects and services with limited resources and
financial support?  why?  If IFCSS is the true organization of CSS,
IFCSS should seek such cooperation with other functional groups and use
limite resouces to make maximum contribution to our motherland, to our
people and to all CSS in China and oversea!!!

4.  If IFCSS at large, and HQ in each term try to establish its own
plan without consideration of collabration, with very limited resources
from both CSS directly involving and financial support, it will not take long
to exhaust all reputation and credits of IFCSS earned before.  Please
think about it!


Since I am new regarding to the involvment of IFCSS HQ operation, all of
you council memebers may have better understanding of the budget and 
working plan, you will make your own judgement to vote.  However, I do
expect the IFCSS council as whole body give me an answer regarding to
the above comments.  Thanks you very much!

Let's work together for a better tomorrow!


Yaxin Wang
Chinese Democracy and Human-right Foundation in Cleveland
and
Case Western Reserve University


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         Call for 5th Term Council 1st Teleconference

To    : IFCSS Council, IFCSS HQ, and IFCSS SVC
>From  : Dong Liqun, Council Chairperson
Date  : Augest 2, 1993
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Dear Colleagues,

As been required by the IFCSS Council Bylaw, the 1st regular Council
teleconference is called:

   Date: Saturday, Augest 14, 1992
  Start: 10:00pm EDT / 7:00pm PDT.

The conference main agenda includes: IFCSS HQ budget proposal, IFCSS HQ
work plan, IFCSS HQ staff and subcommittee chairpersons, all motions posed
by Council members.

IFCSS HQ proposals should be all ready in the next few days. All motions
to be raised in the teleconference must be posed on council e-mail
network at least three days before the meeting time. In order to have
enough time to discuss and amend motions before the meeting and tp cut the
meeting time, it is strong recommended that all Council members post their
motions in this week. Emergency motions can be raised at any time by
following the order of the conference.

All Council members are required to attend. IFCSS President is invited to
introduce HQ proposals. Some working committee Chairperson nominees, IFCSS
HQ staff nominees, and other relevant guests might be invited if necessary,
who shall not speak unless been asked to do so. Representatives from IFCSS
SVC will be invited to observe. 

The teleconference shall be open to the public in means of:

   1. Anyone who would like to audit, please contact Chen Dong
(301-405-5025 (o)), the Secretary of IFCSS Council, at least five working
days before the scheduled conference. Public audiences shall not speak or
disturb the meeting, any such action or attempts shall result in immediate
determination of all auditing connections. Public audiences shall pay for
their own expense, a $40.00 refundable deposit must be received before the
meeting starts.

   2. Or, audio tapes of the meeting can be obtained from Chen Dong one
week after the meeting. Please send your address and $4.00/cassatte to he
cost to:
         Mr. Chen Dong
         Lab. for Plasma Research
         University of Maryland
         College  Park, MD 20742

All participants please be ready at least 15 minites before the start
time. An telephone company's operator will call you at the number you
provided to me. If you will be on a phone whose number is not the same as
the home number on the Council directory, please inform me as soon as
possible. 

Please find the enclosed Order of the Teleconference. HQ proposals should
be out with the next few days.

If you have any concerns and/or suggestions, please let me know as soon as
possible.



Dong Liqun (signed)
Chairperson of IFCSS Council

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             Order of the Teleconference

Note: This order is based on Council Bylaw, previous Council practices,
      and Robert's Rules of Order. Please comment before it is adopted.

1.   The order of the Council first teleconference is recommended by the
Chairperson of IFCSS Council and shall be adopted by general consent or by
a majority vote of the Council members present in the teleconference.

2.   All main motions are debatable. Other motions shall be dealt with
according to Robert's Rules of Order. The debating time shall be limited
and controlled. For each motion, the sponser(s) shall have at most 3
minites to explain it before debate and every member shall have one (1)
minite to speak. If necessary, a second round of debate (1 minite for each
member) can be requested and seconded by Council members and approved by the
Chair. No more than two round debates shall be given to any motion.

     Council members can defer their speaking right once in each round.
Mamber's speaking shall not be accumulated or carried over to the next
round, but it can be given to, or borrowed from, another member during the
same round of the debate.

3.   For the Budget and Personnel Nominations proposed by HQ, the IFCSS
President shall be given sufficient time to explain and answer questions. 

4.   The speaking order of members shall follow the order of the Council
Directory which shall be prepared by the Secretary of IFCSS Council.

5.   A motion shall be accepted as emergency motion by a majority vote of
Council members present in the meeting.

     Emergency motions shall be processed upon its acceptance.

6.   The conference business order shall be:

     On passage of the order of the teleconference;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ budget proposal;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ work plan, including working committees;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ staff, committee Chairperson, project managers
         (if provided) nominations;
     On passage of motions may be raised by Council members.

7.   The conference shall be presided by Council Chairperson.  The
co-chair shall take over responsibility when the Chairperson participates
in the debate.

8.   Any disputes or confusions shall be solved by following Council
Bylaw, (if not defined, then) Robert's Rules of Order.

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           Agenda for the 1st teleconference of the Council
                    ( Suggested by Liqun Dong )

1.   On the Adoption of the Order for the Meeting;

2.   Openning Statement (Free Speech)           (about 15 minutes)
      -- At most one minute for each council member;

3.   HQ Report, including Working Plan, Budget, and Personnel Arrangement
      -- Lin Changsheng                          (15 minutes)

4.   Question and Answer                         (25 minutes)
      -- At most two questions for each member. If more question is
         required, it will be ordered on unanimous consent;

5.   HQ Introduction on Student Service Porjects (CSPA, Health Insurance,
      etc. )
      -- Shi Heping                              (10 minutes)

6.   Question and Answer                         (15 minutes)
      -- one questions for each member. If more question is required,
         it will be ordered on unanimous consent;

7.   Package of Council's Resolutions on HQ Budget  (25 minutes)
      -- Sponsored by the Council Finance Committee or its memebers

8.   Package of Council's Resolutions on HQ Personnel Arrangement
                                                  (25 minutes)
      -- Sponsored by the Council Personnel Committee or its members

9.   Other Resolutions Promoted by Council memebers.  (45 minutes)



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=========================================================================

Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 13:24:47 -0400
From: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@wam.umd.edu>
To: chair@ifcss.org, council@ifcss.org
Subject: 5th term working plan


              The Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS
              ==================================
              (For approval of the IFCSS Council)

                       Changsheng Lin
                       August 11, 1993


To:    IFCSS Council
Date:  August 11, 1993
Re:    Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS

Dear Council Members:

The following is the working plan for 5th term IFCSS:

    While continuing human rights activities and expanding and
improving student services, our attention will be more focused on
guiding and organizing the CSS to participate in scientific,
cultural and economic activities in China. We plan to have
following projects:

    1. Organize student voluntary service groups to give
scientific, educational and economic training seminars in China. We
plan to organize three groups: education, science and technology,
and business management.

    2. To organize a Small Business Conference which would provide
an opportunity for rural enterprises and private owned business in
China to recruit people, business opportunity and contract from the
CSS community.

    3. Establish IFCSS student awards. The awards will be given to
outstanding undergraduate students to further promote the influence
of IFCSS in China.

    4. To explore the opportunity to establish Returned Student
Station in major cities and Overseas Student Villages and help
promote the establishment of Overseas Student Economic and
Scientific Development Zones.

    Besides the exchange projects, this term will strengthen and
expand student services. The new projects will include:

    *  Telephone Card
    *  Long Distance Telephone Service
    *  Life Insurance
    *  Credit Card
    *  Post Graduate and Post-CSPA student Health Insurance
    *  Placement Program
    *  Hongliang (match-maker) service
    *  New Student Reception Center
    *  CSS Guide Book
    *  Airline Ticket Service


    In other aspects, we will continue the Congressional Interim
program. We hope to send 6 people to Congress this year.

    We will organize a medium sized seminar to train the student
activist on organizing social activities.

    We will edit a Congressional report which will collect the
major news and issues in the CSS community. This would help better
promote the interests of Chinese students.

    This term will start two constructive projects: CSS Job
Searching Project and Information Center for Exchange with China.

    There will be several important activities:

    1.  IFCSS delegation to visit Taiwan in the end of 1993.
    2.  Joint Conference in the Spring of 1994.
    3.  Cooperate with the Taiwan Student Union to organize 4th
        Taiwan Summer Tour/Seminar.
    4.  Second Small Business Seminar in Taiwan. (Summer 1993)
    5.  Hosting the Meeting of Global Federation of Chinese
        Students.
    6.  IFCSS 5th anniversary celebration activities.
    7.  IFCSS 6th Congress.

    Dear colleagues, we will have a lot of things to do. Let us
work together and make IFCSS stronger and more influential.

    Comments and suggestions are welcome.

    Thanks for your attention.

                                            Sincerely,

                                            Lin Changsheng
                                            IFCSS President


======================================================================


                     The IFCSS Annual Budget

                    Fiscal Year of 1993-1994


A.   Revenue (Estimated)

     Donation from Society                               $120,000

     Student Service                                     $100,000

     Grant from Foundations                               $30,000

     Remaining Funds from Fiscal Year of 1992-1993        $69,500

     ============================================================
     Total Revenue                                       $319,500



B.   Expenditure

     Operation Cost                  Monthly             Annually

 (1) HQ Staff Compensation

     Four Full Time Staff Members
     and One Part Time Accountant    $2,000 X 4           $96,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $96,400


 (2) HQ Operating Cost

     Office Rent                                          $10,900

     Phone Bills                                          $15,000

     Mailing                                               $2,000

     Office Supply                                         $2,000

     Printing/Copying                                      $2,000

     Travel/Transportation                                $15,000

     Office Equipment                                      $3,000

     Miscellaneous                                         $5,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $54,900


 (3) Council (16 Members)

     Tele-Conference                                       $4,000

     Telephone Compensation                                $6,000

     Miscellaneous                                         $1,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $11,000

 (4) Supervisory Committee (5 Members)

     Tele-Conference                                         $800

     Telephone Compensation                                $1,800

     Miscellaneous                                           $200
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                              $2,800


 (5) Working Committees                                   $10,000


 (6) Newsletter                                           $18,000

 (7) Project Assistants                                   $36,000


 (8) Round-Table Meeting                                  $12,000


 (9) The 6th Congress                                     $60,000



     ============================================================
     Total Expenditure                                  $300,700


C.  Surplus                                               $18,800?




===================================================================

               Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
         (A proposal submitted to IFCSS Council for approval)

                      August 1, 1993


                    Headquarters Office
                    -------------------

          President:   Lin Changsheng  (full time)
     Vice President:   Shi Heping      (temporary)
 Executive Director:   Liu Xiaozhu     (full time)
     Chief of Staff:   Huang Songyun   (full time)
         Newsletter:   Zhang Qingsong  (part time)
          Treasurer:   Jiang Zuihong   (part time)


                    Working Committees
                    ------------------

   Human Rights Committee:                Xiao Qiang
   Government Affairs Committee:          Liu Xiaozhu
   Grassroots Organizations Committee:    Huang Songyun
   Post Graduation Liaison Committee:     Deng Yuanpei
   Fund Raising Committee:                Shi Heping
   Theoretic Research Committee:          Wu Tao
   IFCSS Newsletter Editor in Chief:      Zhang Qingsong
   Chinese Community Information Center:  Ding Jian


Note:   

"The exchange and student services are the two most important tasks
in this term. Considering the complication and burden of work in those
two areas, I plan not to establish committees, but make the projects
on a contract basis. The HQ will accept proposals and sign contract
on a case by case basis."


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                     RESOLUTIONS POSTED BY COUNCILS
                   (Until Aug 13, Friday, 3:00am PDT)

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                ***NAME***

             Sponsored by Liang Er, Seconded by Chen Dong


Whereas the projects on talents exchange with mainland China, the projects
on services to students ans scholars, and other financ-related projects
are very important for IFCSS;

Whereas the Council has been entitled the legal responsibilities of IFCSS
by the IFCSS Charter;

Whereas the resolution on the supreme legitimacy of the similar projects
were passed in the 5th Congress of IFCSS;

It is resolved that:

All contracts related to the projects mentioned above are effective only
when the president of IFCSS get the contracts ratified by the Council or
the working committee appointed by the Council. And the delegates
appointed by the Council have the right and responsibilities to supervise
and participate in the decision-making of the administration of the
contracted projects.

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         The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars
                          Service Fundation

             Sponsored by Fan Hongran, Second by Dong Liqun


     Whereas with the still increasing large Chinese population in America,
the IFCSS, the only nation-wide Chinese Students and Scholars organization,
should take on the responsibility to better serve this social group in addi-
tion to promote democracy in our homeland of China.

     Whereas the history of the fundation of the IFCSS endowed her a distinct
characteristic, but its political actions are not adventageous under some
current circumstance. In order to keep its political continuity yet increase
the participation of new-arrivals and encourage more supports from the United
States, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and our homeland China,

     It is resovled that the IFCSS must establish a Chinese Students and
Scholars Service Fundation with a neutral image in order to unite and serve
a larger population of other groups, in the mean time, this Fundation can
build up a good public relationship for the IFCSS an response for fund
raising for the IFCSS.

      It is further resovled that this Service Fundation would have a dual
relationships with the IFCSS, first is under the jurisdiction , and second is
cooperation. The daily operation of this Fundation would not under the
direction of the IFCSS HQ or the IFCSS concil. This Fundation would be run by
the board of trustee which will be approved by th eIFCSS concil. The Fundation
will keep close professional relationship with the IFCSS , but the image to
the outside population should be of a non-political and a pure interest group,
it would not be involved in any of the IFCSS political actions and declara-
tions. The Fundation 's income and donation would be transfered to the IFCSS
based on the contract in accordance with the standard procedure which has
been followed in the United States.

_______________________________________________________________________________

            The Resolution on IFCSS and the New-Comers' Organization

               Sponsored by Wang Jing, Seconded by  Zhang Feng

      While it is a good thing to see more Chinese organizations in the
U.S., the situation under which the New-Comers' Organization (NCO)
established worth of concern.  It has created an image in the public that
the CSS community is splitting (into two different interests groups--the
so-called Old-Stayers' and the New-Comers'.)  Further operation of NCO, if
based on misunderstanding of and lacking of communication with IFCSS, would
possibily cause real split of CSS community.  It is something we should not
over-look.

      Be it solved:

      Being an organization that claims to serve the whole CSS community,
IFCSS should take the responsibility in this matter,

      1. Initiate communication with the NCO, to learn about their needs
and complaints, show the willingness of working with them for their
interests just like it has been working for all the other people in CSS
community, and make it clear that IFCSS is not against any parties in our
CSS community;

      2. Provide necessary services to support the operation of NCO.  The
services may include equipmental support, information consulting and
funding for specific projects whenever possible and when necessary
procedure is followed (which could be negotiated later on by Financial
Committee of IFCSS and the parallel functional unit of NCO);

      3. Give NCO members and generally any new-comers to monit and
participate in IFCSS's daily operation so as to improve the understanding
between IFCSS and the NCO and other new-comers as well as to prepare for
IFCSS's future leaders and organizers.


      While IFCCSS should help the NCO with its administration when
necessary it should never intend to take over its leadership.

      The IFCSS Council should assign a special committee (possibily the
current Information and Survey Committee) to oversee the IFCSS HQ in the
implementation of this very resolution.

_______________________________________________________________________________

      The Amendment on the Resolution on the Issue of New-Comers'Organization

                  Sponsored by Chen Dong

      Whereas IFCSS represents Chinese students and scholars (CSS) in the US,

      Whereas IFCSS has the responsibility to protect CSS's interest, to
develope and to promote cooperation between groups in Chinese community,

      Whereas the different interest, lack of communication has caused
misunderstanding between some later came CSS and other CSS,

      Whereas the fact they further formed speacial intersting group
(addressed as NCO in the following),
  
      It is IFCSS's responsibility to oversee and protect NCO's and other
later came CSS's interest.

      Be it resolved:

      IFCSS HQ initiate contact with the NCO, show the willingness of
working with them for their interests.

      Be it further resoled:

      IFCSS provide necessary help, support, consulting and guide to NCO.
Initiating proper project cooperation with NCO wherein HQ feel feasible.

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         Bills recommended by Financial Committee of the 5th council
                      for the 1st teleconference


8/12/93
*******************************************************************************

          The Resolution on the 4th term financial report

         Sponsored by  Financial committee,  Draft by Shen Tong

    Whereas the 4th term financial report was given in an incomplete form
and even after the 5th term budget was submitted to financial committee of
the council, the report is still an estimated number.

    Whereas since the Ifcss HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
responsibility to the members of the council and Ifcss and have the right
to know the finance of the Ifcss.

    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
report for last term and a list of Ifcss equipmaents.

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         The Resolution on Compensation for Members of Transition Team

         Sponsored by Finance Committee,  Draft by Zhou Hongguang

    Whereas new presidency and vice presidency have been elected on the
annual IFCSS congress, and the transition of the HQ administration has to
be made between the outgoing term and the new term;

    Whereas a transition team has to be set up to ensure the smooth
transfer of the HQ administration and there has no such a team exist;

    Whereas to ensure function of the transition team, the team has to be
consist of no fewer than two members from the outgoing term and no more
than two members from the new term;

    Whereas the members of the transition team have to be compensated for
their work and there is no such regualtions being set before; and

    Whereas the compensation for the team are as follows:
    outgoing term members to be paid no less than two(2) weeks new term
members to be paid more than two(2) weeks, starting as of the date of
report to the HQ, which should be within seven(7) days of the election, by
the new term members the compensation for the transition team should no
more than thirty(30) days.

    Therfore, be it resolved by the 1st 5th Council teleconference that
the transition team members be compensated as the above setforth.


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        The Resolution on the Raising of the Budget of the 5th Council

        Sponsored by  Financial Committee,  Draft by Bing Qi

    Whereas there are some unexpected issues that need to be discussed
within the council by teleconference and in some cases council members have
to go to D.C. to work with the HQ.

    Whereas the current budget of the council is limited.

    Be it solved:

    The miscellaneous part of the budget of the 5th council will be raised
from $1000 to $3000. To use this part of money needs the approval of the
majority of the council.

================================================================================

    Amendament for the Ifcss Financial regulations

    Article 1.  change "after he is elected as the president." to after
    he starts transition period.

    Article 5. change "after he is elected." to  after he starts
    transition period.

    Article 11. add (no less than two representatives) after "any
    aythorized agent of the council."

    Article 16 add  (include president,vice-president,treasurer,assistant
    treasurer...etc.any related person.) before "if is recommended by
    the council."

********************************************************************************

           The Resolution recommended by Personnel Committee
             of the 5th council  for the 1st teleconference

The Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
recommended by Mr. Lin Changshen, the President
of 5th IFCSS, has been approved by Personnel
Committee of the 5th council.

Songlin Ren (signed)
Chair, Personnel Committee of the 5th council
Aug. 13, 1992


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             Resolution on the Best Student Award Project

          Sponsored by Ding Yungui, Seconded by xxxxxx

Whereas the IFCSS Working Committee of Science and Technology, Culture, and
Education Exchange (the IFCSS WC in short hereafter) was authorized in the
last term to carry out a project that would award some college students in
China for their achievement in academical studies on a competitive and
selective basis;

Whereas the IFCSS WC was not able to carry out this project before the end of
the last term largely because of hard-to-control application process, and
thus the project has been carried over to the new term of the IFCSS;

Whereas the project is the first meaningful one of this type of the IFCSS in
its pursuit of educational and cultural exchange with China, and thus bears
a unique significance;

Whereas the IFCSS WC has announced the winners of the awards and the amount
of the awards;

Be it resolved

1) That twelve (12) awards shall be honored by IFCSS with a certificate
   under the name of the IFCSS WC;

2) That each one of the award winners selected by the IFCSS WC shall be
   awarded the promised $240.00 by IFCSS, part of which ($200) will come
   form the leftover of last term and the rest from external sources
   IFCSS shall go to;

3) That the IFCSS WC shall file a detailed report to the IFCSS headquarters
   on this project, including the rules of selection and all the application
   documents. These materials shall be permanently kept for future reference.


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	             Resolution on the Award Project
                        Sponsored by: Yungui Ding

Whereas the IFCSS Working Committee of Science and Technology, Culture, and
Education Exchange (the IFCSS WC in short hereafter) was authorized in the
last term to carry out a project that would award some college students in
China for their achievement in academical studies and sponsor some activities
of student organizations on a competitive and selective basis (hereafter 
refer to as the project);

Whereas the IFCSS WC was not able to carry out this project before the end
of the last term largely because of hard-to-control application process,
and thus the project has been carried over to the new term of the IFCSS;

Whereas the project is the first meaningful one of this type of the IFCSS in 
its pursuit of educational and cultural exchange with China, and thus bears 
a unique significance;

Whereas the exchange with China is the focus point of the new term and
educational exchange is a vital part of it, and the same award project will
be continued (upon the approval by the Council) in the current year; 

Whereas the IFCSS WC has announced the winners of the awards and the amount
of the awards; 

Be it resolved

1) That the award for twelve (12) students and funding for one (1)
   organizational activity selected by the IFCSS WC shall be honored by IFCSS;

2) That each one of the award winners shall be awarded the promised $240.00,
   and the organizatoin $100, part of which ($2,000 in total) will come from
   the remaining balance of the last term and the rest ($980) from external
   sources IFCSS shall go to;

3) That the IFCSS WC shall file a detailed report to the IFCSS headquarters 
   on this project, including the rules of selection and all the application 
   documents. These materials shall be permanently kept for future reference.

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         Call for 5th Term Council 1st Teleconference

To    : IFCSS Council, IFCSS HQ, and IFCSS SVC
>From  : Dong Liqun, Council Chairperson
Date  : Augest 2, 1993
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Dear Colleagues,

As been required by the IFCSS Council Bylaw, the 1st regular Council
teleconference is called:

   Date: Saturday, Augest 14, 1992
  Start: 10:00pm EDT / 7:00pm PDT.

The conference main agenda includes: IFCSS HQ budget proposal, IFCSS HQ
work plan, IFCSS HQ staff and subcommittee chairpersons, all motions posed
by Council members.

IFCSS HQ proposals should be all ready in the next few days. All motions
to be raised in the teleconference must be posed on council e-mail
network at least three days before the meeting time. In order to have
enough time to discuss and amend motions before the meeting and tp cut the
meeting time, it is strong recommended that all Council members post their
motions in this week. Emergency motions can be raised at any time by
following the order of the conference.

All Council members are required to attend. IFCSS President is invited to
introduce HQ proposals. Some working committee Chairperson nominees, IFCSS
HQ staff nominees, and other relevant guests might be invited if necessary,
who shall not speak unless been asked to do so. Representatives from IFCSS
SVC will be invited to observe. 

The teleconference shall be open to the public in means of:

   1. Anyone who would like to audit, please contact Chen Dong
(301-405-5025 (o)), the Secretary of IFCSS Council, at least five working
days before the scheduled conference. Public audiences shall not speak or
disturb the meeting, any such action or attempts shall result in immediate
determination of all auditing connections. Public audiences shall pay for
their own expense, a $40.00 refundable deposit must be received before the
meeting starts.

   2. Or, audio tapes of the meeting can be obtained from Chen Dong one
week after the meeting. Please send your address and $4.00/cassatte to he
cost to:
         Mr. Chen Dong
         Lab. for Plasma Research
         University of Maryland
         College  Park, MD 20742

All participants please be ready at least 15 minites before the start
time. An telephone company's operator will call you at the number you
provided to me. If you will be on a phone whose number is not the same as
the home number on the Council directory, please inform me as soon as
possible. 

Please find the enclosed Order of the Teleconference. HQ proposals should
be out with the next few days.

If you have any concerns and/or suggestions, please let me know as soon as
possible.



Dong Liqun (signed)
Chairperson of IFCSS Council

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             Order of the Teleconference

Note: This order is based on Council Bylaw, previous Council practices,
      and Robert's Rules of Order. Please comment before it is adopted.

1.   The order of the Council first teleconference is recommended by the
Chairperson of IFCSS Council and shall be adopted by general consent or by
a majority vote of the Council members present in the teleconference.

2.   All main motions are debatable. Other motions shall be dealt with
according to Robert's Rules of Order. The debating time shall be limited
and controlled. For each motion, the sponser(s) shall have at most 3
minites to explain it before debate and every member shall have one (1)
minite to speak. If necessary, a second round of debate (1 minite for each
member) can be requested and seconded by Council members and approved by the
Chair. No more than two round debates shall be given to any motion.

     Council members can defer their speaking right once in each round.
Mamber's speaking shall not be accumulated or carried over to the next
round, but it can be given to, or borrowed from, another member during the
same round of the debate.

3.   For the Budget and Personnel Nominations proposed by HQ, the IFCSS
President shall be given sufficient time to explain and answer questions. 

4.   The speaking order of members shall follow the order of the Council
Directory which shall be prepared by the Secretary of IFCSS Council.

5.   A motion shall be accepted as emergency motion by a majority vote of
Council members present in the meeting.

     Emergency motions shall be processed upon its acceptance.

6.   The conference business order shall be:

     On passage of the order of the teleconference;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ budget proposal;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ work plan, including working committees;
     On passage of IFCSS HQ staff, committee Chairperson, project managers
         (if provided) nominations;
     On passage of motions may be raised by Council members.

7.   The conference shall be presided by Council Chairperson.  The
co-chair shall take over responsibility when the Chairperson participates
in the debate.

8.   Any disputes or confusions shall be solved by following Council
Bylaw, (if not defined, then) Robert's Rules of Order.

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           Agenda for the 1st teleconference of the Council
                    ( Suggested by Liqun Dong )

1.   On the Adoption of the Order for the Meeting;

2.   Openning Statement (Free Speech)           (about 15 minutes)
      -- At most one minute for each council member;

3.   HQ Report, including Working Plan, Budget, and Personnel Arrangement
      -- Lin Changsheng                          (15 minutes)

4.   Question and Answer                         (25 minutes)
      -- At most two questions for each member. If more question is
         required, it will be ordered on unanimous consent;

5.   HQ Introduction on Student Service Porjects (CSPA, Health Insurance,
      etc. )
      -- Shi Heping                              (10 minutes)

6.   Question and Answer                         (15 minutes)
      -- one questions for each member. If more question is required,
         it will be ordered on unanimous consent;

7.   Package of Council's Resolutions on HQ Budget  (25 minutes)
      -- Sponsored by the Council Finance Committee or its memebers

8.   Package of Council's Resolutions on HQ Personnel Arrangement
                                                  (25 minutes)
      -- Sponsored by the Council Personnel Committee or its members

9.   Other Resolutions Promoted by Council memebers.  (45 minutes)



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 13:24:47 -0400
From: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@wam.umd.edu>
To: chair@ifcss.org, council@ifcss.org
Subject: 5th term working plan


              The Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS
              ==================================
              (For approval of the IFCSS Council)

                       Changsheng Lin
                       August 11, 1993


To:    IFCSS Council
Date:  August 11, 1993
Re:    Working Plan of 5th Term IFCSS

Dear Council Members:

The following is the working plan for 5th term IFCSS:

    While continuing human rights activities and expanding and
improving student services, our attention will be more focused on
guiding and organizing the CSS to participate in scientific,
cultural and economic activities in China. We plan to have
following projects:

    1. Organize student voluntary service groups to give
scientific, educational and economic training seminars in China. We
plan to organize three groups: education, science and technology,
and business management.

    2. To organize a Small Business Conference which would provide
an opportunity for rural enterprises and private owned business in
China to recruit people, business opportunity and contract from the
CSS community.

    3. Establish IFCSS student awards. The awards will be given to
outstanding undergraduate students to further promote the influence
of IFCSS in China.

    4. To explore the opportunity to establish Returned Student
Station in major cities and Overseas Student Villages and help
promote the establishment of Overseas Student Economic and
Scientific Development Zones.

    Besides the exchange projects, this term will strengthen and
expand student services. The new projects will include:

    *  Telephone Card
    *  Long Distance Telephone Service
    *  Life Insurance
    *  Credit Card
    *  Post Graduate and Post-CSPA student Health Insurance
    *  Placement Program
    *  Hongliang (match-maker) service
    *  New Student Reception Center
    *  CSS Guide Book
    *  Airline Ticket Service


    In other aspects, we will continue the Congressional Interim
program. We hope to send 6 people to Congress this year.

    We will organize a medium sized seminar to train the student
activist on organizing social activities.

    We will edit a Congressional report which will collect the
major news and issues in the CSS community. This would help better
promote the interests of Chinese students.

    This term will start two constructive projects: CSS Job
Searching Project and Information Center for Exchange with China.

    There will be several important activities:

    1.  IFCSS delegation to visit Taiwan in the end of 1993.
    2.  Joint Conference in the Spring of 1994.
    3.  Cooperate with the Taiwan Student Union to organize 4th
        Taiwan Summer Tour/Seminar.
    4.  Second Small Business Seminar in Taiwan. (Summer 1993)
    5.  Hosting the Meeting of Global Federation of Chinese
        Students.
    6.  IFCSS 5th anniversary celebration activities.
    7.  IFCSS 6th Congress.

    Dear colleagues, we will have a lot of things to do. Let us
work together and make IFCSS stronger and more influential.

    Comments and suggestions are welcome.

    Thanks for your attention.

                                            Sincerely,

                                            Lin Changsheng
                                            IFCSS President


======================================================================


                     The IFCSS Annual Budget

                    Fiscal Year of 1993-1994


A.   Revenue (Estimated)

     Donation from Society                               $120,000

     Student Service                                     $100,000

     Grant from Foundations                               $30,000

     Remaining Funds from Fiscal Year of 1992-1993        $69,500

     ============================================================
     Total Revenue                                       $319,500



B.   Expenditure

     Operation Cost                  Monthly             Annually

 (1) HQ Staff Compensation

     Four Full Time Staff Members
     and One Part Time Accountant    $2,000 X 4           $96,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $96,400


 (2) HQ Operating Cost

     Office Rent                                          $10,900

     Phone Bills                                          $15,000

     Mailing                                               $2,000

     Office Supply                                         $2,000

     Printing/Copying                                      $2,000

     Travel/Transportation                                $15,000

     Office Equipment                                      $3,000

     Miscellaneous                                         $5,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $54,900


 (3) Council (16 Members)

     Tele-Conference                                       $4,000

     Telephone Compensation                                $6,000

     Miscellaneous                                         $1,000
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                             $11,000

 (4) Supervisory Committee (5 Members)

     Tele-Conference                                         $800

     Telephone Compensation                                $1,800

     Miscellaneous                                           $200
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Subtotal                                              $2,800


 (5) Working Committees                                   $10,000


 (6) Newsletter                                           $18,000

 (7) Project Assistants                                   $36,000


 (8) Round-Table Meeting                                  $12,000


 (9) The 6th Congress                                     $60,000



     ============================================================
     Total Expenditure                                  $300,700


C.  Surplus                                               $18,800?




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               Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
         (A proposal submitted to IFCSS Council for approval)

                      August 1, 1993


                    Headquarters Office
                    -------------------

          President:   Lin Changsheng  (full time)
     Vice President:   Shi Heping      (temporary)
 Executive Director:   Liu Xiaozhu     (full time)
     Chief of Staff:   Huang Songyun   (full time)
         Newsletter:   Zhang Qingsong  (part time)
          Treasurer:   Jiang Zuihong   (part time)


                    Working Committees
                    ------------------

   Human Rights Committee:                Xiao Qiang
   Government Affairs Committee:          Liu Xiaozhu
   Grassroots Organizations Committee:    Huang Songyun
   Post Graduation Liaison Committee:     Deng Yuanpei
   Fund Raising Committee:                Shi Heping
   Theoretic Research Committee:          Wu Tao
   IFCSS Newsletter Editor in Chief:      Zhang Qingsong
   Chinese Community Information Center:  Ding Jian


Note:   

"The exchange and student services are the two most important tasks
in this term. Considering the complication and burden of work in those
two areas, I plan not to establish committees, but make the projects
on a contract basis. The HQ will accept proposals and sign contract
on a case by case basis."


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                     RESOLUTIONS POSTED BY COUNCILS
                   (Until Aug 13, Friday, 3:00am PDT)

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                ***NAME***

             Sponsored by Liang Er, Seconded by Chen Dong


Whereas the projects on talents exchange with mainland China, the projects
on services to students ans scholars, and other financ-related projects
are very important for IFCSS;

Whereas the Council has been entitled the legal responsibilities of IFCSS
by the IFCSS Charter;

Whereas the resolution on the supreme legitimacy of the similar projects
were passed in the 5th Congress of IFCSS;

It is resolved that:

All contracts related to the projects mentioned above are effective only
when the president of IFCSS get the contracts ratified by the Council or
the working committee appointed by the Council. And the delegates
appointed by the Council have the right and responsibilities to supervise
and participate in the decision-making of the administration of the
contracted projects.

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         The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars
                          Service Fundation

             Sponsored by Fan Hongran, Second by Dong Liqun


     Whereas with the still increasing large Chinese population in America,
the IFCSS, the only nation-wide Chinese Students and Scholars organization,
should take on the responsibility to better serve this social group in addi-
tion to promote democracy in our homeland of China.

     Whereas the history of the fundation of the IFCSS endowed her a distinct
characteristic, but its political actions are not adventageous under some
current circumstance. In order to keep its political continuity yet increase
the participation of new-arrivals and encourage more supports from the United
States, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and our homeland China,

     It is resovled that the IFCSS must establish a Chinese Students and
Scholars Service Fundation with a neutral image in order to unite and serve
a larger population of other groups, in the mean time, this Fundation can
build up a good public relationship for the IFCSS an response for fund
raising for the IFCSS.

      It is further resovled that this Service Fundation would have a dual
relationships with the IFCSS, first is under the jurisdiction , and second is
cooperation. The daily operation of this Fundation would not under the
direction of the IFCSS HQ or the IFCSS concil. This Fundation would be run by
the board of trustee which will be approved by th eIFCSS concil. The Fundation
will keep close professional relationship with the IFCSS , but the image to
the outside population should be of a non-political and a pure interest group,
it would not be involved in any of the IFCSS political actions and declara-
tions. The Fundation 's income and donation would be transfered to the IFCSS
based on the contract in accordance with the standard procedure which has
been followed in the United States.

_______________________________________________________________________________

            The Resolution on IFCSS and the New-Comers' Organization

               Sponsored by Wang Jing, Seconded by  Zhang Feng

      While it is a good thing to see more Chinese organizations in the
U.S., the situation under which the New-Comers' Organization (NCO)
established worth of concern.  It has created an image in the public that
the CSS community is splitting (into two different interests groups--the
so-called Old-Stayers' and the New-Comers'.)  Further operation of NCO, if
based on misunderstanding of and lacking of communication with IFCSS, would
possibily cause real split of CSS community.  It is something we should not
over-look.

      Be it solved:

      Being an organization that claims to serve the whole CSS community,
IFCSS should take the responsibility in this matter,

      1. Initiate communication with the NCO, to learn about their needs
and complaints, show the willingness of working with them for their
interests just like it has been working for all the other people in CSS
community, and make it clear that IFCSS is not against any parties in our
CSS community;

      2. Provide necessary services to support the operation of NCO.  The
services may include equipmental support, information consulting and
funding for specific projects whenever possible and when necessary
procedure is followed (which could be negotiated later on by Financial
Committee of IFCSS and the parallel functional unit of NCO);

      3. Give NCO members and generally any new-comers to monit and
participate in IFCSS's daily operation so as to improve the understanding
between IFCSS and the NCO and other new-comers as well as to prepare for
IFCSS's future leaders and organizers.


      While IFCCSS should help the NCO with its administration when
necessary it should never intend to take over its leadership.

      The IFCSS Council should assign a special committee (possibily the
current Information and Survey Committee) to oversee the IFCSS HQ in the
implementation of this very resolution.

_______________________________________________________________________________

      The Amendment on the Resolution on the Issue of New-Comers'Organization

                  Sponsored by Chen Dong

      Whereas IFCSS represents Chinese students and scholars (CSS) in the US,

      Whereas IFCSS has the responsibility to protect CSS's interest, to
develope and to promote cooperation between groups in Chinese community,

      Whereas the different interest, lack of communication has caused
misunderstanding between some later came CSS and other CSS,

      Whereas the fact they further formed speacial intersting group
(addressed as NCO in the following),
  
      It is IFCSS's responsibility to oversee and protect NCO's and other
later came CSS's interest.

      Be it resolved:

      IFCSS HQ initiate contact with the NCO, show the willingness of
working with them for their interests.

      Be it further resoled:

      IFCSS provide necessary help, support, consulting and guide to NCO.
Initiating proper project cooperation with NCO wherein HQ feel feasible.

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         Bills recommended by Financial Committee of the 5th council
                      for the 1st teleconference


8/12/93
*******************************************************************************

          The Resolution on the 4th term financial report

         Sponsored by  Financial committee,  Draft by Shen Tong

    Whereas the 4th term financial report was given in an incomplete form
and even after the 5th term budget was submitted to financial committee of
the council, the report is still an estimated number.

    Whereas since the Ifcss HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
responsibility to the members of the council and Ifcss and have the right
to know the finance of the Ifcss.

    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
report for last term and a list of Ifcss equipmaents.

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         The Resolution on Compensation for Members of Transition Team

         Sponsored by Finance Committee,  Draft by Zhou Hongguang

    Whereas new presidency and vice presidency have been elected on the
annual IFCSS congress, and the transition of the HQ administration has to
be made between the outgoing term and the new term;

    Whereas a transition team has to be set up to ensure the smooth
transfer of the HQ administration and there has no such a team exist;

    Whereas to ensure function of the transition team, the team has to be
consist of no fewer than two members from the outgoing term and no more
than two members from the new term;

    Whereas the members of the transition team have to be compensated for
their work and there is no such regualtions being set before; and

    Whereas the compensation for the team are as follows:
    outgoing term members to be paid no less than two(2) weeks new term
members to be paid more than two(2) weeks, starting as of the date of
report to the HQ, which should be within seven(7) days of the election, by
the new term members the compensation for the transition team should no
more than thirty(30) days.

    Therfore, be it resolved by the 1st 5th Council teleconference that
the transition team members be compensated as the above setforth.


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        The Resolution on the Raising of the Budget of the 5th Council

        Sponsored by  Financial Committee,  Draft by Bing Qi

    Whereas there are some unexpected issues that need to be discussed
within the council by teleconference and in some cases council members have
to go to D.C. to work with the HQ.

    Whereas the current budget of the council is limited.

    Be it solved:

    The miscellaneous part of the budget of the 5th council will be raised
from $1000 to $3000. To use this part of money needs the approval of the
majority of the council.

================================================================================

    Amendament for the Ifcss Financial regulations

    Article 1.  change "after he is elected as the president." to after
    he starts transition period.

    Article 5. change "after he is elected." to  after he starts
    transition period.

    Article 11. add (no less than two representatives) after "any
    aythorized agent of the council."

    Article 16 add  (include president,vice-president,treasurer,assistant
    treasurer...etc.any related person.) before "if is recommended by
    the council."

********************************************************************************

           The Resolution recommended by Personnel Committee
             of the 5th council  for the 1st teleconference

The Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
recommended by Mr. Lin Changshen, the President
of 5th IFCSS, has been approved by Personnel
Committee of the 5th council.

Songlin Ren (signed)
Chair, Personnel Committee of the 5th council
Aug. 13, 1992


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                     Resolution on the Award Project

                        Sponsored by Ding Yungui 

Whereas the IFCSS Working Committee of Science and Technology, Culture, and
Education Exchange (the IFCSS WC in short hereafter) was authorized in the
last term to carry out a project that would award some college students in
China for their achievement in academical studies and sponsor some activities
of student organizations on a competitive and selective basis (hereafter
refer to as the project);

Whereas the IFCSS WC was not able to carry out this project before the end
of the last term largely because of hard-to-control application process,
and thus the project has been carried over to the new term of the IFCSS;

Whereas the project is the first meaningful one of this type of the IFCSS in
its pursuit of educational and cultural exchange with China, and thus bears
a unique significance;

Whereas the exchange with China is the focus point of the new term and
educational exchange is a vital part of it, and the same award project will
be continued (upon the approval by the Council) in the current year;

Whereas the IFCSS WC has announced the winners of the awards and the amount
of the awards;

Be it resolved

1) That the award for twelve (12) students and funding for one (1)
   organizational activity selected by the IFCSS WC shall be honored by IFCSS;

2) That each one of the award winners shall be awarded the promised $240.00,
   and the organizatoin $100, part of which ($2,000 in total) will come from
   the remaining balance of the last term and the rest ($980) from external
   sources IFCSS shall go to;

3) That the IFCSS WC shall file a detailed report to the IFCSS headquarters
   on this project, including the rules of selection and all the application
   documents. These materials shall be permanently kept for future reference.

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	Following is the amended version of NCO related resolution.  Please
please take a look at it before the conference.  Thank you.

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              The Resolution on IFCSS the New-Comers' Organization
               			(amended)
		Sponsored by Wang Jing, Seconded by  Zhang Feng

	The situation under which New-Comers' Organization (NCO) established 
has created an image of a splitting CSS community.  

	Whereas IFCSS is to serve and represent the interestes of the whole 
Chinese Scholars and Students (CSS) community, 

	Whereas misunderstandings and lacking of communication have caused
problems between some late arriving CSS and other CSS,

	It is the responsibility of IFCSS to oversee this issue and solve the 
related problems.

	 Be it resolved:
 
	IFCSS initiate and keep contact with the NCO and show the willingness 
of working with them for their interests, taking them a part of the CSS family.

	Be it further resolved:
	
	IFCSS provide services to NCO when feasible, which may include 
equipmental support, information consulting and other kind of support for 
specific projects that would benefit the CSS community.

	IFCSS should always have its gate open up eaqually to both the 
early-arriving CSS and the late-arriving CSS in order to achieve its goal 
of serving the complete CSS community in the US.

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 16:30:57 -0500 (EST)
From: NLUO@msvax.mssm.edu
To: council@ifcss.org
Subject: Criticism on HQ's proposals

To:  The Council, IFCSS
From: Luo Ning, a delegate to the 5th Congress of IFCSS
CC:  The HQ, IFCSS

Dear representatives:

     It is appreciated that the Council has posted the proposals of
the HQ to networks for public comments, although the time left to
do so has been very limited.

On budget plan:

     There have been many excellent commentaries and criticism
toward the financial plan.  My main request to the Council would be
to ask the HQ to present a DETAILED budget plan.  Without a
detailed budget plan, it is impossible to assess the rationality
and the feasibility of it.   It is against the basic financial
principles to lump many expenditures together and only give a
coarsely divided budget.  The financial plans of the previous years
have suffered a lot of criticism of being too coarse.  I hope the
budget of this term should be AT LEAST as detailed as the last one.

On institutional set-up:

     This is what I would like to focus and raise your attention. 
It has been said that there is not much essential changes from the
last year.  I strongly disagree with this view.  Some fundamental
changes have been signified by this term's proposal. In particular,
I am critical of its omission of the two Working Committees which
had done significant works in the last year: The Humanitarian
Assistance Working Committee (HAWC) led by Mr Zhang Yalai and the
Exchange Working Committee (EWC) led by Mr Luan Shusheng.

     Based on the communications of myself and many other people,
the HQ intends to eliminate EWC and possibly also eliminate HAWC. 
I believe that there is no argument within the IFCSS community that
the work involved by these two WC's are important and significant. 
In fact, one of the rational of the HQ to eliminate EWC is that the
HQ what to carry out the work directly since the "working emphasis
is shifted to the exchange" according to the campaign platform of
Mr Lin Changsheng.  Therefore, the disagreement is not on whether
the work should be done, but on how to do it better.

     By the way, Mr Lin Changsheng has pointed out correctly that
several WC's in the last term did not do any work and they don't
have any reason to continue their existence.  However, he does also
assure that EWC and HAWC does not belong to this catagory.

     In my view, there are three conspicuous disadvantages in
eliminating these two WC's:

(1) Exclusiveness

     Take EWC as an example.  There will be A LOT work to be done. 
It would need MORE, rather than fewer people to participate in it. 
Why can't the HQ let EWC to continue its work which is now just
beginning to generate results, and explore new fronts by the HQ
itself?  EWC has not done anything on, say, business and economic
exchange yet.  In fact, I believe much more people are interested
in doing that than in educational, scientific and cultural
exchanges, which was designated EWC to do by the 4th Congress of
IFCSS.

     I am always puzzled by this mentality:  Why does the HQ have
to prohibit others to do the work which the HQ considers as
important?  Why exclude others?

     It may be argued that the voluteers who were doing the work
could now join the HQ in continuing the same work.  However, we
know this is impractical.  How could the HQ manage the operations
at the campuses in Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN?  Whoever
suggested this would be ignorant, or not believe it her/himself.

     It may also be argued that the financial resources of IFCSS
are quite limited and have to be concentrated.  This leads to the
problem (2) in the following.

(2) Efficiency

     All the work of HAWC and EWC were done by volunteers.  The
operational costs were, therefore, very low.  Would it be
financially more efficient to eliminate their contributions and
transfer the work to full-time, paid staff?  I believe the answer
is obvious.  Since the HQ has repeatedly proclaimed the financial
difficulties that this term would face, it would be reasonable to
encourage rather than discourage the voluteerism at the grassroots
level.

     However, the problem (3) in the following is even more serious
than the above two.

(3) Grassroots participation

     One of the most guarded principle of IFCSS is that it is a
COORDINATION organization, there is no superior-subordinate
relation between the HQ and the member organizations.  Each member
organization maintains its autonomy within IFCSS.

     How could such a coordinating body work as one?  It has
established two channels of participation.  One is in the process
of decision making.  We have the elections during the congresses. 
We have also the Council act as the representative institution
connecting the nation-wide operations with the school-level CSSA's. 
The other channel is in the process of carrying out the decision
made thereof.  This is through the format of WC's.  Since the
founding of IFCSS, most successful WC's have been initiated NOT by
the HQ, but at the grassroots level.  

     It is an unfortunate trend in the past few years that the
grassroots participation of this second kind has become rarer and
rarer.  One of the important reason for the decline is the
discouragement from the HQ.  I have a kind of uneasy feeling that
the "participation" perceived by the leadership in the HQ is not
much different from what we see in China:  I want you to lobby, you
send the FAX and make phone calls; I want you to hold, you shut up. 
It seems that we are all worried about the decline in
participation, but what we do is to worsen the situation.

     I hope I am wrong in identifying the reason, but the decline
is well-recognized.  We have witnessed incidents of AEIC and Zhao
Haiqing's lobby group leaving IFCSS, among many other alienated
groups of people who were used to be so enthusiastic in
contributing to IFCSS.  I doubt the two groups at Madison, WI and
Minneapolis, MN would stop their already fruit-bearing work, even
if the HQ eliminate these two WC's, but their would have do it
OUTSIDE the framework of IFCSS.

     How many more such groups of volunteers could IFCSS afford to
lose?

Sincerely,

Luo Ning



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Liqun,

	Just got your mail, so you must be on the net.  Could you send me back 
a copy of my amended resolution?  I took most of Chen Dong's amendments, then
sent it to council-l which I still can't receive, but forgot to send a copy to
myself.  So painful!

Thanks,

Wang Jing

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To:  The Council, IFCSS
From: Luo Ning, a delegate to the 5th Congress of IFCSS
CC:  The HQ, IFCSS

Dear representatives:

     It is appreciated that the Council has posted the proposals of
the HQ to networks for public comments, although the time left to
do so has been very limited.

On budget plan:

     There have been many excellent commentaries and criticism
toward the financial plan.  My main request to the Council would be
to ask the HQ to present a DETAILED budget plan.  Without a
detailed budget plan, it is impossible to assess the rationality
and the feasibility of it.   It is against the basic financial
principles to lump many expenditures together and only give a
coarsely divided budget.  The financial plans of the previous years
have suffered a lot of criticism of being too coarse.  I hope the
budget of this term should be AT LEAST as detailed as the last one.

On institutional set-up:

     This is what I would like to focus and raise your attention. 
It has been said that there is not much essential changes from the
last year.  I strongly disagree with this view.  Some fundamental
changes have been signified by this term's proposal. In particular,
I am critical of its omission of the two Working Committees which
had done significant works in the last year: The Humanitarian
Assistance Working Committee (HAWC) led by Mr Zhang Yalai and the
Exchange Working Committee (EWC) led by Mr Luan Shusheng.

     Based on the communications of myself and many other people,
the HQ intends to eliminate EWC and possibly also eliminate HAWC. 
I believe that there is no argument within the IFCSS community that
the work involved by these two WC's are important and significant. 
In fact, one of the rational of the HQ to eliminate EWC is that the
HQ what to carry out the work directly since the "working emphasis
is shifted to the exchange" according to the campaign platform of
Mr Lin Changsheng.  Therefore, the disagreement is not on whether
the work should be done, but on how to do it better.

     By the way, Mr Lin Changsheng has pointed out correctly that
several WC's in the last term did not do any work and they don't
have any reason to continue their existence.  However, he does also
assure that EWC and HAWC does not belong to this catagory.

     In my view, there are three conspicuous disadvantages in
eliminating these two WC's:

(1) Exclusiveness

     Take EWC as an example.  There will be A LOT work to be done. 
It would need MORE, rather than fewer people to participate in it. 
Why can't the HQ let EWC to continue its work which is now just
beginning to generate results, and explore new fronts by the HQ
itself?  EWC has not done anything on, say, business and economic
exchange yet.  In fact, I believe much more people are interested
in doing that than in educational, scientific and cultural
exchanges, which was designated EWC to do by the 4th Congress of
IFCSS.

     I am always puzzled by this mentality:  Why does the HQ have
to prohibit others to do the work which the HQ considers as
important?  Why exclude others?

     It may be argued that the voluteers who were doing the work
could now join the HQ in continuing the same work.  However, we
know this is impractical.  How could the HQ manage the operations
at the campuses in Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN?  Whoever
suggested this would be ignorant, or not believe it her/himself.

     It may also be argued that the financial resources of IFCSS
are quite limited and have to be concentrated.  This leads to the
problem (2) in the following.

(2) Efficiency

     All the work of HAWC and EWC were done by volunteers.  The
operational costs were, therefore, very low.  Would it be
financially more efficient to eliminate their contributions and
transfer the work to full-time, paid staff?  I believe the answer
is obvious.  Since the HQ has repeatedly proclaimed the financial
difficulties that this term would face, it would be reasonable to
encourage rather than discourage the voluteerism at the grassroots
level.

     However, the problem (3) in the following is even more serious
than the above two.

(3) Grassroots participation

     One of the most guarded principle of IFCSS is that it is a
COORDINATION organization, there is no superior-subordinate
relation between the HQ and the member organizations.  Each member
organization maintains its autonomy within IFCSS.

     How could such a coordinating body work as one?  It has
established two channels of participation.  One is in the process
of decision making.  We have the elections during the congresses. 
We have also the Council act as the representative institution
connecting the nation-wide operations with the school-level CSSA's. 
The other channel is in the process of carrying out the decision
made thereof.  This is through the format of WC's.  Since the
founding of IFCSS, most successful WC's have been initiated NOT by
the HQ, but at the grassroots level.  

     It is an unfortunate trend in the past few years that the
grassroots participation of this second kind has become rarer and
rarer.  One of the important reason for the decline is the
discouragement from the HQ.  I have a kind of uneasy feeling that
the "participation" perceived by the leadership in the HQ is not
much different from what we see in China:  I want you to lobby, you
send the FAX and make phone calls; I want you to hold, you shut up. 
It seems that we are all worried about the decline in
participation, but what we do is to worsen the situation.

     I hope I am wrong in identifying the reason, but the decline
is well-recognized.  We have witnessed incidents of AEIC and Zhao
Haiqing's lobby group leaving IFCSS, among many other alienated
groups of people who were used to be so enthusiastic in
contributing to IFCSS.  I doubt the two groups at Madison, WI and
Minneapolis, MN would stop their already fruit-bearing work, even
if the HQ eliminate these two WC's, but their would have do it
OUTSIDE the framework of IFCSS.

     How many more such groups of volunteers could IFCSS afford to
lose?

Sincerely,

Luo Ning

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To:  The Council, IFCSS
From: Luo Ning, a delegate to the 5th Congress of IFCSS
CC:  The HQ, IFCSS

Dear representatives:

     It is appreciated that the Council has posted the proposals of
the HQ to networks for public comments, although the time left to
do so has been very limited.

On budget plan:

     There have been many excellent commentaries and criticism
toward the financial plan.  My main request to the Council would be
to ask the HQ to present a DETAILED budget plan.  Without a
detailed budget plan, it is impossible to assess the rationality
and the feasibility of it.   It is against the basic financial
principles to lump many expenditures together and only give a
coarsely divided budget.  The financial plans of the previous years
have suffered a lot of criticism of being too coarse.  I hope the
budget of this term should be AT LEAST as detailed as the last one.

On institutional set-up:

     This is what I would like to focus and raise your attention. 
It has been said that there is not much essential changes from the
last year.  I strongly disagree with this view.  Some fundamental
changes have been signified by this term's proposal. In particular,
I am critical of its omission of the two Working Committees which
had done significant works in the last year: The Humanitarian
Assistance Working Committee (HAWC) led by Mr Zhang Yalai and the
Exchange Working Committee (EWC) led by Mr Luan Shusheng.

     Based on the communications of myself and many other people,
the HQ intends to eliminate EWC and possibly also eliminate HAWC. 
I believe that there is no argument within the IFCSS community that
the work involved by these two WC's are important and significant. 
In fact, one of the rational of the HQ to eliminate EWC is that the
HQ what to carry out the work directly since the "working emphasis
is shifted to the exchange" according to the campaign platform of
Mr Lin Changsheng.  Therefore, the disagreement is not on whether
the work should be done, but on how to do it better.

     By the way, Mr Lin Changsheng has pointed out correctly that
several WC's in the last term did not do any work and they don't
have any reason to continue their existence.  However, he does also
assure that EWC and HAWC does not belong to this catagory.

     In my view, there are three conspicuous disadvantages in
eliminating these two WC's:

(1) Exclusiveness

     Take EWC as an example.  There will be A LOT work to be done. 
It would need MORE, rather than fewer people to participate in it. 
Why can't the HQ let EWC to continue its work which is now just
beginning to generate results, and explore new fronts by the HQ
itself?  EWC has not done anything on, say, business and economic
exchange yet.  In fact, I believe much more people are interested
in doing that than in educational, scientific and cultural
exchanges, which was designated EWC to do by the 4th Congress of
IFCSS.

     I am always puzzled by this mentality:  Why does the HQ have
to prohibit others to do the work which the HQ considers as
important?  Why exclude others?

     It may be argued that the voluteers who were doing the work
could now join the HQ in continuing the same work.  However, we
know this is impractical.  How could the HQ manage the operations
at the campuses in Madison, WI or Minneapolis, MN?  Whoever
suggested this would be ignorant, or not believe it her/himself.

     It may also be argued that the financial resources of IFCSS
are quite limited and have to be concentrated.  This leads to the
problem (2) in the following.

(2) Efficiency

     All the work of HAWC and EWC were done by volunteers.  The
operational costs were, therefore, very low.  Would it be
financially more efficient to eliminate their contributions and
transfer the work to full-time, paid staff?  I believe the answer
is obvious.  Since the HQ has repeatedly proclaimed the financial
difficulties that this term would face, it would be reasonable to
encourage rather than discourage the voluteerism at the grassroots
level.

     However, the problem (3) in the following is even more serious
than the above two.

(3) Grassroots participation

     One of the most guarded principle of IFCSS is that it is a
COORDINATION organization, there is no superior-subordinate
relation between the HQ and the member organizations.  Each member
organization maintains its autonomy within IFCSS.

     How could such a coordinating body work as one?  It has
established two channels of participation.  One is in the process
of decision making.  We have the elections during the congresses. 
We have also the Council act as the representative institution
connecting the nation-wide operations with the school-level CSSA's. 
The other channel is in the process of carrying out the decision
made thereof.  This is through the format of WC's.  Since the
founding of IFCSS, most successful WC's have been initiated NOT by
the HQ, but at the grassroots level.  

     It is an unfortunate trend in the past few years that the
grassroots participation of this second kind has become rarer and
rarer.  One of the important reason for the decline is the
discouragement from the HQ.  I have a kind of uneasy feeling that
the "participation" perceived by the leadership in the HQ is not
much different from what we see in China:  I want you to lobby, you
send the FAX and make phone calls; I want you to hold, you shut up. 
It seems that we are all worried about the decline in
participation, but what we do is to worsen the situation.

     I hope I am wrong in identifying the reason, but the decline
is well-recognized.  We have witnessed incidents of AEIC and Zhao
Haiqing's lobby group leaving IFCSS, among many other alienated
groups of people who were used to be so enthusiastic in
contributing to IFCSS.  I doubt the two groups at Madison, WI and
Minneapolis, MN would stop their already fruit-bearing work, even
if the HQ eliminate these two WC's, but their would have do it
OUTSIDE the framework of IFCSS.

     How many more such groups of volunteers could IFCSS afford to
lose?

Sincerely,

Luo Ning


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Hi, Ladies and Gentlemen:

Since the 2nd term of IFCSS, every new HQ would lobby IFCSS council to give 
HQ budget a green light before the council meeting. I think that IFCSS
HQ leaders have called the council leaders or members for the budget.

Here, I want to raise a question. Does current IFCSS HQ really need
so many people and so much manpower?  Look at all successful professional 
associations in the United States, even our Chinese associations, such as 
"Mei Hua Xie Hui" and "Zhong Mei Xie Hui" in Washington DC, they 
do not have so many people in their HQ.  Most of organizations just
hire one or two CEO or managers to administer daily work for the organization.  President or VPs do most of volunteer work or only get a part-time pay.

Currently, an full-time IFCSS staff salary was proposed to be
$24,000 per year, that is much higher than the salary of TA or RA in the 
United States. I remember that first term staff salary was about $1200/month 
and the first term IFCSS president only got a pay of $800/month. It's said 
that last term of HQ staff salary is $1800/month.  However today's IFCSS HQ 
is not like the 1st and 2nd term HQ that needed lot of manpower in the 
beginning of IFCSS. IFCSS should promote volunteerism.

It's said that if the last term HQ had had no big income ($220,000 to 240,000) 
from CSS protection information center, IFCSS would not have money to hold 
the 5th IFCSS conference. Assuming the 4th IFCSS HQ got $220,000.00, you will 
find a big difference between $220,000 and $69,500 that is remaining
Funds from Fiscal Year of 1992-1993 without the consideration of about $120,000 
IFCSS health Insurance Plan income in last term. Big spending!

I feel that the current IFCSS HQ staff structure is somehow wrong.
This kind of structure will lead IFCSS to its demise from the financial 
point of view soon, or eventually turn IFCSS to be a political organization 
for surviving. Look at IFCSS HQ history, most IFCSS HQ leaders do have no a 
long sight view of the IFCSS future for financial plan. They get money in 
their term and they spend it because they know that most likely they will not 
be in HQ in the next term. IFCSS never have no a long term budget, such as 
five year budget plan.

This is sad for the IFCSS. If individual has this money, do you
think that one of us will try to spend every penny within one year?

What's one of Bill Clinton's campaign slogans?  CHANGE!  American
needs CHANGE! For us, IFCSS needs CHANGE! At least IFCSS needs to reduce HQ
staffs to minimum size, cut unnecessary spending in IFCSS, and save every 
penny for the IFCSS long term cause. 

Above comments about IFCSS budget are not against any individual of old or new
IFCSS HQ. I try to initiate this issue for your attention for the IFCSS future.

Thank you for your attention.

Toni Ni
Univ. of Maryland




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Hi, Yungui,

	I have posted two test mails to -wn and -l nets.  The titles are 
"test -wn net" and "test -l net."  You should be able to see them, 'cause
Chen Dong has seen my post on the -l net.  But I still can't receive them 
myself.  And I notice that I do receive other people's message from both
of these nets.  I have no idea what's going on.  Could it be the problem
of my Univ.'s system?

	Thank you for any of your help or comments.

Wang Jing

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test for council-l

wj
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Hi, Yungui,

	I have posted two test mails to -wn and -l nets.  The titles are 
"test -wn net" and "test -l net."  You should be able to see them, 'cause
Chen Dong has seen my post on the -l net.  But I still can't receive them 
myself.  And I notice that I do receive other people's message from both
of these nets.  I have no idea what's going on.  Could it be the problem
of my Univ.'s system?

	Thank you for any of your help or comments.

Wang Jing

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Wang Jing,

I received both your test messages.
Also received you resolution.

I received your reply to my test of your account.
I think it is your computer system's problem.  I sent two test to your
account, on was bounce, and the other was received by you.  That is
strange.

It is good that you can now receive others' post.


Yungui

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	I would like to add two more points on the issue about Working
Committees (WC).

(1) A misconception

	I have heard recently many people talking about one "disadvantage"
of WC over the contract system.  They point to the leaving of Mr Wang Shijin
and Mr Zhao Haiqing from IFCSS and the damages caused thereof and say:
"See!  If we have a legal contract, then we can sue them and prevent the
damage."  
	This is a misconception.  I don't want to judge whom to blame on
for the damages caused in the above examples, and I don't intend to imply
that my following example is drawn from real cases.  For the sake of
argument, let's just assume Mr XYZ was in charge of ABC WC for a year,
used IFCSS's resources to build up personal connections, and then left
to take the advantage on the base he had built up when he was running ABC WC.
Is IFCSS helpless in handling such a situation?  The answer is NO.
	There are legal ways to pursue in this case to seek the compensation
for the damage.  This is not criminal law, but civil law.  There is an issue
of "institutional loyalty" involved.  For example, a member of a board of
trustees cannot make some deals to benefit himself while damage the institution
he belongs to.
	On the otherhand, a contract, if not put in a fair open bid, could 
also leave room for personal favors or "political balances", as well as
irresponsibilities.
	In short, there are maybe other good reasons against the WC system,
but the one mentioned here certainly cannot stand on its own feet.

(2) Continuity of work

	The work of many WC cannot be accomplished to significant degree in
one year, or will result waste of resources if disrupted on an annual basis.
It is therefore desirable for IFCSS that they be kept on a basis more stable 
than the HQ, which usually changes every year.

Luo Ning

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Liqun, and other colleagues,

We need to make announcement for the conintued meeting.
I suggested we have a News Release including the whole package of the
Teleconference (updated one) and a a note about the conference next week.

If no objections, Ican help edit it.

Yungui

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Yungui:
>If no objections, Ican help edit it.
Oh, please.
I am too busy this week. Beside, I sent too many email last week, so I should
be idle for a while.
If you need any material, I can send to you.

BTW, if any of you have workstations or PC, MAC that can play .snd(.au) sound
file, and you want review our conference, I have 52Mbytes compress sound file,
which decompress to about 150M, recorded the whole conference.
It is seperated into 4 parts.
Send me a mail if you want it. I will upload it to a ftp site if there're
enough interest.

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I will do the news release.

The computer sound is interesting, Dong.  I have vax work station, and
macintosh for my use.  What software do I need?


yungui

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The audio files of the council 1st teleconference 1st session
is uploaded to ifcss.org:/ifcss/council/5th_council/audio/
These are Sun/NeXT .snd format.
They are huge (5 hours and 150Mb), so you are warned.
If you think other format is better (compact), please let me know.
The audio files are recorded by a SGI machine with 8000 sample rate.
I would like to convert it to lower sample rate (e.g.4.77k as used by
most PC), but I don't know how the quality will change. If you know
more about audio format and have suggestions, please let me know also.

Here's the "readme":
----------------------
Here are sound files for the whole duration of the 5th term IFCSS council 
1st teleconference meeting first session.
It is about 5 hour long in total.
The first part "open.snd" include the adoption of conference rule, agenda
and HQ report with Q&A.
The second part "service.snd" include HQ introduction on Student Service
Projects and Q&A.
The third part "finance.snd" covers debate and vote of HQ budget plan.
And last part "resolution1.snd" covers unfinished debate of the resolutions
submitted by finance committee of council.
The file format is Sun/NeXT .snd or .au format.

open.snd	38M
resolution1.snd	28M
finance.snd	50M
service.snd	27M

Hope you enjoy it.

PS. Agenda of the conference
           Agenda for the 1st teleconference of the Council
                    ( Suggested by Liqun Dong )

1.   On the Adoption of the Order for the Meeting;

2.   HQ Report, including Working Plan, Budget, and Personnel Arrangement
      -- Lin Changsheng

3.   Question and Answer
      -- At most two questions for each member. If more question is
         required, it will be ordered on unanimous consent;

					======== end of "open.snd" ======

4.   HQ Introduction on Student Service Porjects (CSPA, Health Insurance,
      etc. )
      -- Shi Heping

5.   Question and Answer
      -- invited guest Liu Chengyan allow to ask CSPA related questions.
      -- one questions for each member. If more question is required,
         it will be ordered on unanimous consent;

					======== end of "service.snd" ==

6.   Package of Council's Resolutions on HQ Budget
      -- Sponsored by the Council Finance Committee or its memebers

				======== "finance.snd" & resolution1.snd" ==
				===== conf. termperal adjorn ===============

7.   Package of Council's Resolutions on HQ Personnel Arrangement
                                                  (25 minutes)
      -- Sponsored by the Council Personnel Committee or its members

8.   Other Resolutions Promoted by Council memebers.  (45 minutes)

9.   Openning Statement (Free Speech)           (about 15 minutes)
      -- At most one minute for each council member;



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test council-l nt

wj

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 ( H    

Zhou Honguang,

	This version looks better.  That's what I was trying to pushfor at
the 1srt session of our conference.  We should at least let them be able to
work.  Thanks.

Wang Jing

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From: ejwang@titan.ucs.umass.edu (ECHO WANG)
Subject: NCO Resolution (new)
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Liqun,

	I changed a little bit (deleted part of a sentence, which sounded 
confusing).  Please post this one in conference package.

	Zhang Feng and I are trying to talk with Liu Chengyan.  Have you seen
the message he posted on CND saying that illegal immigrants will be covered 
by CSPA as well.  I bet they will be really mad, this time.  We may have an
emergency motion next time.  Still not sure by now.  We need to talk about it
after we talk with Liu Chengyan and between ourselves.  I think we may need to
talk to the HQ about this.

	I am working full-time right now (already quit the intern job in Boston
--this one is very close to where I live, only I need to work long hours), and
am doing some other things.  It is getting harder for me to put in long time in
e-mail as I used to.  I was just too exhausted for the past few days, didn't
feel reading the resolution again.  Hope it's not too late for your package.

Talk to you later,

Wang Jing
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
               The Resolution on IFCSS the New-Comers' Organization
                			(amended)
 		Sponsored by Wang Jing, Seconded by  Zhang Feng
 
 	The situation under which New-Comers' Organization (NCO) established 
has created an image of a splitting CSS community.  
 
 	Whereas IFCSS is to serve and represent the interestes of the whole 
Chinese Scholars and Students (CSS) community, 
 
 	Whereas misunderstandings and lacking of communication have caused
problems between some late arriving CSS and other CSS,
 
	It is the responsibility of IFCSS to oversee this issue and solve the 
related problems.
 
 	 Be it resolved:
  
 	IFCSS initiate and keep contact with the NCO and show the willingness 
of working with them for their interests.
 
 	Be it further resolved:
 	
 	IFCSS provide services to NCO when feasible, which may include 
equipmental support, information consulting and other kind of support for 
specific projects that would benefit the CSS community.
 

 	IFCSS should always have its gate open up eaqually to both the 
early-arriving CSS and the late-arriving CSS in order to achieve its goal of 
serving the complete CSS community in the US.
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hi, Wang Jing:


> 	I changed a little bit (deleted part of a sentence, which sounded 
> confusing).  Please post this one in conference package.

Ok, I will use this version instead of your old version.

> 	Zhang Feng and I are trying to talk with Liu Chengyan.  Have you seen
> the message he posted on CND saying that illegal immigrants will be covered 
> by CSPA as well.  

Please do it. And ask him to attend to second part of conference, too.

> I bet they will be really mad, this time.  We may have an
> emergency motion next time.  Still not sure by now.  We need to talk about it
> after we talk with Liu Chengyan and between ourselves.  I think we may need to
> talk to the HQ about this.

After talking with him, please think about what kiond of mian motion we
can promote. BTW, Lin CS said he is considering to form a new committee
called something like NCO. 

Thanks for your hard work and good luck.


Liqun




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Yungui,
Do you have Bo Xiong's phone number ?
HQ want to contact CND.

For a better public image of IFCSS,
I have suggested them try to cooperate with CND. Since CND is the most
reputable news organization in CSS, and also HQ said they don't have enough
time, I think it is a good idea for CND to have a HQ correspondent.
What the correspondent need to do is contact HQ on regular bases and report
HQ operations, include how everyday affairs are handled, interesting events,
background of all sorts of projects, disputes, and any other things that
make HQ and other brances of IFCSS more transparent.

I am not sure how it should work. But HQ might need to support with minimum
fund. I would think something as $20/month to cover telephone cost, just as
for council members. But also the correspondent need to be independent, 
objective, just. The way of funding should also not lead public think HQ is 
bribing CND.

It's better to find a rational guy with no bias.

what do you think ?

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Chen Dong,

The idea you are talking about sounds to me more a free-lence reporter
for the HQ affairs.  I would doubt the objectiveness if any pay/compensation
is involved.

As long as CND is concerned, any news report about CSS community and
CSS organizations sent to the editors will be treated only by the merit
of the news itsself, not by from whom it comes.

I would suggest some third party volunteer to be free-lence, and leave
CND as independet as possible to do its own job.

I think the proper image of IFCSS could NOT be built by HQ's funding
someone to write about itself (the IFCSS Newsletter project is designed
to do that, in fact), but could only be done by welcome critique from
outsiders.  

Yungui

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Hi, Chen Dong:
  Would you please send me the voting records of two motions from 
financial committee for first session of first council tele-conference.
I need reach someone who voted NAY in those bills and ask her/him 
to propose reconsideration in those motions. Thank you very much.
         T.Shen    8/18/93

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Unpassed amendments not included.
--------------------
		B5	B6	B7	CP5002	CP5003
Chen Dong	Y	Y	Y	N	A
Ding Yungui	N	A	A	A	A
Dong Liqun	Y	A	Y	Y	Y
Fan Hongran	Y	A	Y	A	A
Li Wenyan	-	-	-	-	-
Liang Er	Y	Y	Y	N	A
Liu Chen	Y	Y	Y	Y	A
Qi Bing		Y	A	A	Y	Y
Ren Songlin	Y	Y	Y	A	Y
Shao Qing	-	-	-	-	-
Shen Tong	Y	A	Y	Y	Y
Wang Jing	Y	A	Y	A	A
Xu Datong	Y	A	Y	Y	Y
Zhang Feng	Y	A	Y	Y	Y
Zhang Li	Y	A	Y	N	A
Zhou Hongguang	A	A	Y	Y	Y

Result (Y/A/N)
HQ Budget plan
A	unanimous pass
B1	unanimous pass
B2	unanimous pass (with item travel frozen)
B3	unanimous pass
B4	unanimous pass
B5	12/1/1 pass
B6	4/10/0 reject
B7	12/2/0 pass	(with condition HQ supply detail list later)
B8	unanimous pass
B9	unanimous pass

CP (council proposed resolution)
CP5002 (on the 4th term financial report, Shen Tong)
	3/6/5 reject
CP5003 (on compensation for the members of transition team, Zhou Hongguang)
	7/7/0 reject


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Liqun,
        I just figure that probably we did all wrong in the last conference
for the HQ financial budget.

        For the financial budget proposed by HQ, we have 3 choice.
1. pass the whole package
2. reject the whole package
3. suggest HQ do some modification and we review it later.

Because the proposal should be the negotiating result between HQ and council,
we can only pass it or reject it, unless HQ want us to pass part of it.
Because by HQ's consideration, when they make change to one part, they may 
want change other part also to balance the whole thing.

This certainly implies the finance committee should negotiate with HQ to get
a satisfy result before it even present to the council, or we have to 
negotiate with HQ in the conference, which certainly is waste of time and
money.

Also, since the plan is not a resolution, 2/3 pass may not required. I am
not sure what's the vote result we need to pass it.

Why don't you check rules and some veteran to see what exactly we need to do 
here. The same thing apply to personal appointment.

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	Rules Committee Memo

Dear rules committee members (zhang feng,zhang li,liu chen),
	To help council members better understand of the bylaws, resolutions 
and regulations of IFCSS, to help council work more efficiently, to make
all brances of IFCSS work seamlessly, we need set/find a set of regulations
for all branches of IFCSS, also we should compile all the previous passed
IFCSS documents ready available to anybody.
	Let's first work on the easier one, the second one. Could you guys
try to find and sort all the documents of last 4 terms ? They include
consititution and bylaw, resolutions and regulations, amendments passed by 
congress and council.

Yungui, I will be very busy for the next 3 weeks, is it possible for you
to help me on this project ?

Regards,

	Dong Chen
	Chair, Rules Committee
	IFCSS Council

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Subject: A_Possible_Emergency_Resolution (fwd)
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Dear colleagues,

	The following is a message from Liu Cheng Yan on some of the issues
they are concerned.  Please take some time read it.  The Info & Survey committ-
ee may promote a motion on the related topioc in the next meeting.

Thank you,

Wang Jing
Chair, Info ^& Survey Committee

Forwarded message:
> From cliu@wuecon.wustl.edu Wed Aug 18 19:49:27 1993
> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 93 18:49:22 CDT
> From: cliu@wuecon.wustl.edu (Chengyang Liu)
> Message-Id: <9308182349.AA04514@wuecon.wustl.edu>
> To: ejwang
> Subject: A_Possible_Emergency_Resolution
> 
> 
>                The Resolution on the interests conflicts between 
>          Late-Arriving Dependents and Late-Arriving Students
> 
>    Whereas all the CSS community consider CSPA as a great achievement.
> 
>    Whereas in the process of CSPA writing, there is little attention paid to
> those Fellow Chinese Students who came United States after April 11m, 1990.
> 
>    Whereas after CSPA Implementation began, interests conflict between Late
> Arriving Dependents (LADs) and Late Arriving Students (LASs) become a bad
> sign for both organization and CSS community.
> 
>    Whereas some of the information is incorrect carried by IFCSS News Release.
>    
>    Be it resolved:
> 
>    IFCSS HQ should correct all the misleading information carried in IFCSS' 
> previous News Release in public.
> 
>    Be it further resolved:
> 
>    (1) Being an organization on behalf of the whole CSS, IFCSS HQ should 
> compose a comprehensive fact-based report on all the issues of CSPA as soon 
> as possible.
>    
>    (2) It's IFCSS's liability and obligation to provide fair opportunities 
> to the whole CSS community. If CSPA really hurt the interests of LASs after  
> some periods of CSPA Implementation, IFCSS HQ should show its favorites and 
> sympathy towards LASes on this interests conflict issue.
> 
> 
> 


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Hi, Liqun,

	I have sent Liu Chengyang a message to invite him to our so conference.
I also forwarded his mail to our net: a possible emergency resolution.  Is
Lin CS for sure for a NCO committee?  That is great.  BTW, If you receive this
message before late afternoon, could you send me HQ's phone number?  I'll try
to call them --Heping promised Liu CY to correct the error in the last news-
letter to the new comers and someother things, but Liu said it never appeared.

He is pretty disappointed with the HQ.  And you know what, I just cn can't
say it.  I told Liu to contact you before the conference if ther is any change
of his number.

OK, this mail tool we have at work is driving me crazy.  You can't even erase
the last letter you 've just typed, not even mention editing.  Sorry for all
those typos.  (If possible, could you give me Heping and Changsheng's home
numbers too?)

Thanks,

Wang Jing

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Liqun, Yungui, Shen Tong and all of the council members:

Last teleconference we took 5.5 hours, but we did finish the meeting. 
We should well prepare the next meeting in the coming Saturday.
I have 2 suggestions for the meeting in order to solve the problem.

1) The IFCSS scholar resolution by Yungui could not be discussed,
because the problem already solved by HQ. HQ would like to take
care money and sending to China. The amount of the scholarship
should be determined by IFCSS administrator - HQ not us. 

2) The resolution of financial committee has been passed by term.
The terms which have been already voted and passed should not
be discussed again.  

3) The resolution of financial committee going to HQ to examine 
HQ accounts has been vote down at the assembly. It can not 
be discussed again except the committee raising strong evidence
of HQ financial problem and well prepared the document.

We should consider IFCSS financial situation, not use to much
money for teleconference. I suggest this meeting can not over 
1-2 hours. We can not use several thousands of dollars again
for an over time meeting. We do not have the ability to raise money
for IFCSS, at least we should save the money for IFCSS.

Sincerely,

Songlin Ren (Signed)
Member of 5th IFCSS Council

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I think Liu Chengyang's resolution is acceptable.

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Please don't cross post to both council-l and council-wn.
council-l already include those in council-wn.

BTW, I support Songlin's other suggestions.

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Wang Jun,
See the news release from HQ today. It has the correction.
I think this NR is fairly completed and satisfactory.
HQ's phone is (202)347-0017.

If you are working on UNIX machine, try [control-h] for erase.
Also, if you type "~v" at the begining of the line, it will let you go
into editing mode, using you favorite (or unfavorite) editor. Mostly
vi or emacs.
If you are using VMS, then good luck.

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Dong,

I can help make ready the documents already in Council's directories
for use of the Rules Committee.  


Yungui

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This resolution sounds good to me, Wang Jing.

Yungui

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Songlin and all other colleagues,

I appreciate Songlin's effort to make the teleconference more efficient
and save IFCSS' resources.  However, I am afraid that I can't 
agree with some points.

1. As pointed out by Zhang Feng, the shcolarship issue is not solved
   at all if we say the amount of award is taken out.
   I have heard some promise from the HQ about the this issue which
   I am very pleased with.  (The promise is that $240 will be awarded
   to 12 students, which is even better than Songlin suggested :-)
   However, a private promise has no legitimate binding force at all.

2&3. For those financial items and resolutions we have discussed and voted,
   what is the rule for reconsidering?  I am not sure about it.
   I think we better follow the rules specified by Council's by-law or
   otherwise by the Robert's rule.

*. As the money is concerned.  
   We should always keep in mind that we should not waste any of IFCSS'
   precious resource.
   We should always keep in mind, too, the duties we Council members 
   bear and the responsibility the IFCSS Council has.  That is, it is
   the Council's responsibility to make decision where IFCSS should be
   going and how IFCSS (including HQ) should be functioning!

   We are at the beginning of a new year of IFCSS, and probably a turning
   point for IFCSS in the coming years.  What is more important, then 
   , than carefully discussing and approving/disapproving the working
   plan, the budget proposal, the personnel arrangement, and other 
   resolutions which will effect the work of the whole year and afterwards?

   The time limit should not be simply imposed if we are to discuss so
   many important thing.  If we want to limit to 1 or 2 hours, we will 
   need to leave those undiscussed things to later teleconference or
   email conference.\


Yungui

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Dear Colleagues:

HQ is the Exective Branch of IFCSS and can only act as enpowered by the
Constitution and the Bylawyers as well as the resolutions adopted by the
Congress and the Council. In the same spirit, the members of Finance
Committee believe that it is their responsibility to perfect existing
financial regualtions of IFCSS and to report to the CSS belong to IFCSS and
make recommendations to the Council about the financial situation of
IFCSS. Please note the intention of the Finance Committee to conduct site
examination of the financial situation at HQ is NOT against any individual
but to ensure the healthy operation financially of a big organization like
IFCSS, which consists of full time HQ staff and volunteers including us the 
council menbers. I think every one would agree that what we would like to
about the operation of IFCSS is that it should base on rules of
legislations, not only good wills.  
Thank you, Ren Songlin, for provoking my above thoughts. 
Hope the above can be of some help for you as preparing for th coming
telecom.
Thanks for your attention.  
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Why don't we get a promise from HQ that they will turn in a complete
finance report within some time. You should at least give them some
chance. The HQ only began work normally for 3 weeks (which is wrong).
I don't see the immediate need to go to HQ unless there're some
evidence something is really going wrong.

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Yungui,
I am not sure where you heard the promised $240 for the award.
I checked with HQ and it is not so.
But then whatever they both part agree to solve the problem, if they both
happy, I don't see any need for us to get involved.

As for the conference time, we did spend too much. The record for council
meeting was 6 hours (somebody correct me?), we are surely going to break it.
The problem is not just time itself, it is efficiency. Lets recall what
we have done, did we really need 5 hours ?
A limitation (reasonable one) of time will help members to be more prepare 
before the meeting. We need only state the most important facts briefly
no tell a long story. What i mean is we should present processed material
not raw material.
Our problem last time was we didn't try to enforce the limit.

After the conference, I told Dong Liqun I have three complains,
The first one goes to Dong Liqun. As meeting chair, he was not authority
enough. He should try to enforce the meeting rules, take the lead.
Sometime, the chair has to be very strict to almost rude. Of cause, he has
to be rational. Liqun was too nice last time.
The sceond one goes to finance committee. You should negotiate with HQ before
the meeting until get a satisfactory version of proposal. In case no agreement
achieved, you should suggest the council to reject the proposal.
The committee should let us know before the meeting that which part of
the budget is wrong and why.
The last complain goes to all of us, include me. We didn't prepare well enough,
we didn't obey the rule very well. It is our meeting, we should be the only
one responsible.

Please don't get upset anybody, I am just try to criticise what we did
not who did it. That is I am only criticise the precedure of our meeting, not 
content of the meeting.
The above criticism is not meant to be personal. I just want we learn some
lessons as the results. I know some of my opinions are very extreme, I don't
claim they are all right. Those are just my thought at the time, and hopefully
you can correct me so we can learn from each other.



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From: ECHO WANG <ejwang@titan.ucs.umass.edu>
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Dear colleagues,

	Here's a message that NCO forwarded to me.  It's a LAD organizer's 
letter on related topic.  Just FYI.

Wang Jing

-------------------------Forwarded Message-----------------------------------
(messge deleted)
> >                The Resolution on the interests conflicts between
> >          Late-Arriving Dependents and Late-Arriving Students
>
(message deleted.  please refer to "From the NCO" for a complete copy of
 this resolution.)

> As a lads committee member, I was assigned to communicate with LC. I agree with
> your Resolution. I saw IFCSS NR5038 adresses the error made in NR 5033 and (1)
> already. I also support your (2). Actually lads are covered anyway and the LC
> is the one who needs the help most in this land.
> 
> As a EC, I should admit that most ECers turn their attention to somewhere
> else after filing under CSPA. Most EC stay with lads-net simply because
> they have lads. Those EC are in their final years at school, so the job
> hunting is more important. If their lads can file PR, and get W.P., it does
> not matter too much how long they have to wait. So that is why lads-net is
> not so active as yours. Even I have lads, my wife is not happy with my
> activities in lads-net. But I feel obligated to help you guys out.
> 
> I can do the following, if you do not turn me down:
> 
> 1) Provide background information about CSPA, INA, E.O.12711 as much as I
>    can. Needless to say, CSPA is the most successful lobby eforts made by any
>    foreign interest group in this country.
> 2) Given the current situation, what is the best strategy. Of course we shall
>    learn from the past IFCSS successful eforts. We need to know how and why
>    this U.S system works, and learn how to take advantage of it. Merely
>    shout out demands does not work, acuss the others neither. When you attack
>    some one else, you get counter-attack, not cooperation. That is how Yeh
>    failed. I must say I agree with many of his arguments, but I never support
>    him. (remember I have been always a F-1, that was a big difference prior
>    to 6.4 event)
> 3) To rally lads community to provide LC with our brotherly support.
> 
> Please pass this letter to your friends.
> 
> Thanx
> 
> Mi Mi
--------------------End of Forwarded Message----------------------------------

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> Wang Jun,

	Hey, my name is Wang JING!  Are you having problem with your mail tool
as well? 


> See the news release from HQ today. It has the correction.
> I think this NR is fairly completed and satisfactory.

	I haven't seen it yet.  Where is it?  CND?  I don't have it--no time to
read anyway.  I thought they always send a copy to council's net.  Have no idea
why I haven't seen it this time.

	Thank you for HQ's number and help with e-mail (I'll try it later).  
Especially appreciate you for really READing my postings.  Some people don't 
even bother to reply to me even if I send mail directly to them.

Talk to you again,

Wang Jing

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Sorry, MS. Wang Jing.
My pinying is not very good, and at the time I didn't check the spelling
of your name. Hope you don't hate me because of that :-)

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Proposal on Examinatin of the Financial And Asset Situation of IFCSS HQ

Sponsored by Finance Committee 
Draft by Zhou Hongguang

I. Background
    During the each transition of the HQ, there has been always discrepency
occured in the financial records of HQ. This year is again sees no exception.
The financial report by the 4th term is incomplete and even after the 5th 
term budget request has been was submitted to the Council's Finance
Committee and the repeated request by the Finance Committee of furnishing
update information, the report by the HQ is still full with
estimated fingures.
  The Ifcss financial regulation has been approved for two years. Due to 
  the loopholes, the management of Ifcss finance is not fully satisfied
  yet.

II. Objectives

To examine financial records
To compose fixed asset list
To gather Information for financial package regarding the operation of HQ
To recommend the items in HQ budget, which was frozen in the first council
tele-conference.
 To make amendments in Ifcss financial regulation so that we, Ifcss can
  have a better financial system.

  
   
III. Efficiency analysis
Benefits that may resulted from such a site examination
Costs involved: travel and lodge expenses of the Finance Committee  should
be followed the rule of miscellaneous.
Expected date of report to the Council
-------- 
    Whereas since the Ifcss HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
    the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
    responsibility to the members of the council and Ifcss and have the right
to
    know the finance of the Ifcss.

    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
    report for last term ,a list of Ifcss equipments and a package of
    amendments of financial regulation.

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Please make ammendment or call us for your concern. Thank you.

  Chen Dong: Please contect me before the 2nd session. 
             T.Shen  6/19/93

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Hi, everybody,

	I share Songlin's concerns on the $$$ issue, although I also agree that
financial issue is critical to any organizations, we should be careful with it.

	We should save as much time on the line as possible.  Why don't we
make use of e-mail a little more.  Liqun, you may want to push everybody to
read all the resolutions we are going to discuss before the conference.  If
anybody has any question, post it to the net as early as possible so we don't
spend too much time explaining on the line.  Even for those who intend  to
promote motions, should try to post their motions' drafts to the net for review
as early as possible--we at Survey and Info Committee will try our best to 
achieve it.

	As for Financial Committee's resolutions, I don't think we ought to 
"police" them, if FC have solid facts, and if they follow the necessary 
rules and procedures.  I believe they understand the $$$ issue no less than 
each of us.  

	My only point is they, as well as everybody else, should try to do as 
much as possible the lobbying and discussion before we get on the line.

Thanks,


Wang Jing

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> Sorry, MS. Wang Jing.

	Now it's better.

> My pinying is not very good, and at the time I didn't check the spelling
> of your name. 

	Could be an excuse.

Hope you don't hate me because of that :-)
> 

	I need to think of that a little more. Your appology is accepted 
though.  

BTW, are you spending some time at other place besides in front of the screen?
Just curious.  You seem to read all the mails and  make some pretty prompt 
comments a lot of which are good. 

Your colleague,

Wang Jing

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> 	We should save as much time on the line as possible.  Why don't we
> make use of e-mail a little more.  Liqun, you may want to push everybody to
> read all the resolutions we are going to discuss before the conference.  If
> anybody has any question, post it to the net as early as possible so we don't
> spend too much time explaining on the line.  Even for those who intend  to
> promote motions, should try to post their motions' drafts to the net for review
> as early as possible--we at Survey and Info Committee will try our best to 
> achieve it.

Good suggestion. Everyone trys your best to do it. Even thought I know
some of our colleagues can not or are very difficult to access computer
network in the summer break. 

> 	My only point is they, as well as everybody else, should try to do as 
> much as possible the lobbying and discussion before we get on the line.

Yes, through e-mail or phone. I will move to directly bedate and no Q&A
on all motions when our meeting is resumed. 


Liqun




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Liqun,

>  I will move to directly bedate and no Q&A
> on all motions when our meeting is resumed.

	This is Tough!  For resolutions that are posted for long time, this 
works, but for emergency motions that people are not as familiar as the
resolutions, I think we can give a little more time--one round of Q&A maybe?
Also, it's up to you guys Chair and co-Chair of the Conference to watch the
time and cut it off when it's needed.

Thanks,

Wang Jing

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Chen Dong,

As for the Award project, indeed, if nobody is disputing an more, we
don't have any business at all.  But so far, I haven't heard that
the dispute is dissovled.  I think people are waiting for the Council
to make decision, that may be why it's being quite about it now.

You complaints about the lengthiness of last time are valid.
Considering most of us are new and did not know what the Council conference 
was before it.  Hope we could do better this time in using the time 
efficiently :-)  Hope Liqun will put long his face and you count the 
time sharp!

And most importantly, we need to be more prepared.

However, there are important issues, hope we won't just rush to a decision
for the time's sake.


Yungui

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Yungui,
Could you contact Liu Zhengdong or Luan Shushen to see if they still have any 
complain about the dispute ?

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I second Wang Jing's suggestion to use more of the email
communication before the conference.  That will help us better
prepared for the meeting and save some $.  

If we will have some rough time limit in mind, I suggest we
leave the unfinished business to email conference, rather than
just go through everything and make decision.


Yungui

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I will contact Luan Shusheng and Liu Zhendong for the award issue.
If any agreement is arrived by the two sides, I think it is necessary
for both of them to clearify the issue by sending a message to at
least the council-l net.  Chen Dong, Can you ask the HQ to do this?


Yungui

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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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                     RESOLUTIONS POSTED BY COUNCILS
                   (Until Aug 13, Friday, 3:00am PDT)

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                ***NAME***

             Sponsored by Liang Er, Seconded by Fan Hongran


Whereas the projects on talents exchange with mainland China, the projects
on services to students ans scholars, and other financ-related projects
are very important for IFCSS;

Whereas the Council has been entitled the legal responsibilities of IFCSS
by the IFCSS Charter;

Whereas the resolution on the supreme legitimacy of the similar projects
were passed in the 5th Congress of IFCSS;

It is resolved that:

All contracts related to the projects mentioned above are effective only
when the president of IFCSS get the contracts ratified by the Council or
the working committee appointed by the Council. And the delegates
appointed by the Council have the right and responsibilities to supervise
and participate in the decision-making of the administration of the
contracted projects.

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         The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars
                          Service Fundation
                              (Amended)

             Sponsored by Fan Hongran, Second by Dong Liqun

whereas with the still increasing large Chinese population in America, the
IFCSS, the only nation-wide Chinese Students and Scholars organization,
should take on the responsibility to better serve this social group in
addition to promote democracy in our homeland of China;

Whereas the IFCSS faces a fincial challenge for existence and the need of
more financil aid sources;

Whereas there are some technique difficulties for the IFCSS to make more
profit as a non-profit organization;

It is resovled that the IFCSS should establish a Chinese Students and
Scholars Service Fundation to unite and serve a larger population of other
groups, in the mean time, this Fundtion would response for fund raising
for the IFCSS;

It is further resovled the daily operation of this Fundation would not
under the direction of the IFCSS HQ or the IFCSS Council. This Fundation
would be run by the board of trustee which will be approved by the IFCSS
Council. The Fundation's income and donation would be transferred to the
IFCSS based on the contract in accordance with the standard procedure
which has been followed in the United States.
 

_______________________________________________________________________________

            The Resolution on IFCSS and the New-Comers' Organization
                             (Amended)

               Sponsored by Wang Jing, Seconded by  Zhang Feng

        The situation under which New-Comers' Organization(NCO) established
has created an image of a splitting CSS community.

        Whereas IFCSS is to serve and represent the interestes of the whole
Chinese Scholars and Students (CSS) community,

        Whereas misunderstandings and lacking of communication have caused
problems between some late arriving CSS and other CSS,

        It is the responsibility of IFCSS to oversee this issue and solve
the related problems.

        Be it resolved:

        IFCSS initiate and keep contact with the NCO and show the
willingness of working with them for their interests.

        Be it further resolved:

        IFCSS provide services to NCO when feasible, which may include
equipmental support, information consulting and other kind of support for
specific projects that would benefit the CSS community.


        IFCSS should always have its gate open up eaqually to both the
early-arriving CSS and the late-arriving CSS in order to achieve its goal
of serving the complete CSS community in the US.

_______________________________________________________________________________


        The Resolution on the Raising of the Budget of the 5th Council

           Sponsored by  Financial Committee,  Draft by Bing Qi

    Whereas there are some unexpected issues that need to be discussed
within the council by teleconference and in some cases council members have
to go to D.C. to work with the HQ.

    Whereas the current budget of the council is limited.

    Be it solved:

    The miscellaneous part of the budget of the 5th council will be raised
from $1000 to $3000. To use this part of money needs the approval of the
majority of the council.

================================================================================

    Amendament for the Ifcss Financial regulations

    Article 1.  change "after he is elected as the president." to after
    he starts transition period.

    Article 5. change "after he is elected." to  after he starts
    transition period.

    Article 11. add (no less than two representatives) after "any
    aythorized agent of the council."

    Article 16 add  (include president,vice-president,treasurer,assistant
    treasurer...etc.any related person.) before "if is recommended by
    the council."

********************************************************************************

           The Resolution recommended by Personnel Committee
             of the 5th council  for the 1st teleconference

The Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
recommended by Mr. Lin Changshen, the President
of 5th IFCSS, has been approved by Personnel
Committee of the 5th council.

Songlin Ren (signed)
Chair, Personnel Committee of the 5th council
Aug. 13, 1992


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                     Resolution on the Award Project

            Sponsored by Ding Yungui, Seconded by Zhang Feng 

Whereas the IFCSS Working Committee of Science and Technology, Culture, and
Education Exchange (the IFCSS WC in short hereafter) was authorized in the
last term to carry out a project that would award some college students in
China for their achievement in academical studies and sponsor some activities
of student organizations on a competitive and selective basis (hereafter
refer to as the project);

Whereas the IFCSS WC was not able to carry out this project before the end
of the last term largely because of hard-to-control application process,
and thus the project has been carried over to the new term of the IFCSS;

Whereas the project is the first meaningful one of this type of the IFCSS in
its pursuit of educational and cultural exchange with China, and thus bears
a unique significance;

Whereas the exchange with China is the focus point of the new term and
educational exchange is a vital part of it, and the same award project will
be continued (upon the approval by the Council) in the current year;

Whereas the IFCSS WC has announced the winners of the awards and the amount
of the awards;

Be it resolved

1) That the award for twelve (12) students and funding for one (1)
   organizational activity selected by the IFCSS WC shall be honored by IFCSS;

2) That each one of the award winners shall be awarded the promised $240.00,
   and the organizatoin $100, part of which ($2,000 in total) will come from
   the remaining balance of the last term and the rest ($980) from external
   sources IFCSS shall go to;

3) That the IFCSS WC shall file a detailed report to the IFCSS headquarters
   on this project, including the rules of selection and all the application
   documents. These materials shall be permanently kept for future reference.



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Proposal on Examinatin of the Financial And Asset Situation of IFCSS HQ

Sponsored by Finance Committee
Draft by Zhou Hongguang

I. Basckground
    During the each transition of the HQ, there has been always discrepency
occured in the financial records of HQ. This year is again sees no exception.
The financial report by the 4th term is incomplete and even after the 5th
term budget request has been was submitted to the Council's Finance
Committee and the repeated request by the Finance Committee of furnishing
update information, the report by the HQ is still full with
estimated fingures.

II. Objectives
Financial records
To compose fixed asset list
Workload evaluation
To gather Information for financial package regarding the operation of HQ

III. Efficiency analysis
Benefits that may reulted from such a site examination
Costs involved: travel and lodge expenses by the Finance Committee
Expected date of report to the Council
--------
    Whereas since the Ifcss HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
responsibility to the members of the council and Ifcss and have the right
to know the finance of the Ifcss.
  
    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
report for last term and a list of Ifcss equipments.



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Zhang Feng and all the colleagues,

	Here is a mail from the LAD net's organizer.  Hope it can be of some
help to all of you in understandig the situation of current interests conflit
te  beween the LAD's and LAS's.  

	Zhang Feng, hope this could be more or less helpful for drafting your
mostion.  Good luck!

	Thanks everybody for taking your time and read this.

Wang Jing

Forwarded message:
> From LHGCC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Fri Aug 20 11:24:22 1993
> Date:         Fri, 20 Aug 93 11:22:41 EDT
> From: Mi MI <LHGCC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
> Subject:      NCO resolution
> To: Qi Bing <bgqi@medinfo.rochester.edu>, IFCSS HQ <ifcss@wam.umd.edu>,
>         ECHO WANG <ejwang>, Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
> 
> 
> Ms. Wang Jing
> 
> Hi. I, Mi Mi, from lads-net fully support your proposal on NCO.
> As matter of fact, I had seen a lot of confusion and fighting on the net
> when LCnet was connected with Yeh Shannon. As we lads-net saw the IFCSS
> lost its steam to push CSPA implementation further, all of us lads were
> somewhat disappointed. When we learnt that Liu Chengyan was invited to
> attend IFCSS Teleconference last week, we decided to take a step forward.
> Needless to say, all of us lads-netters and committee members appreciate
> the tremonduous eforts to achieve CSPA and its implementation. Whatever
> decided by IFCSS for post-CSPA policy change is understandable. We as
> beneficiaries of past IFCSS eforts can not ask more, otherwise we are
> too greedy and selfish. To our LC brothers and sisters, we the lads
> committee firmly believe, that communication and cooperation, mutual
> understanding and solidarity are what we want. After one week
> communication, we get very positive response from our LCnet committee.
> 
> As matter of fact, many ECers are paying their attention to somewhere
> else. While lads are located in China's quota, and will be possibly
> jamming  China's quota for many years to come, their principals are
> not so much concerned about the waiting period. As one of my friends
> pointed out, his wife can wait 6 year until her H-1 visa expires. During
> that time, he probably gets citizenship, and in no way he should panic.
> Some minor children can wait even longer. My daughter is 9. My only
> concern is she gets her GC when she is ready for college. That is
> almost ten years later. Of course some elder children are closer to
> college and they are worried. But the population is quite small. So the
> most urgent problem is for LCs, not for lads.
> 
> As matter of fact, passing another CSPA is almost impossible. What we
> can do is to make room for LC by removing lads from China quota.
> As the new interpretation made clear by Madam Rita Boie, IIers with
> Advanced Parole can apply under CSPA. Further, the possibility of
> allowing IIers with only Work Permits, even without any thing may be
> allowed to apply also. With most CSPAerS  have filed already,
> their lads inevitably have gotten more favorable priority dates
> then anyone else, i.e., they are queued much ahead of the others.
> So the policy change does not effect CSS lads too much, unless for
> someone who is still in China. But the impact on the LC is imminent.
> Those IIer lads will compete with LC, worse, be queued ahead of them.
> When the spirit of CSPA is humanitarian and protection, it will be
> ridiculous and self-destructive for IFCSS to oppose the inclusion
> of these IIers. The best and only strategy for IFCSS, is to work
> toward world quota.
> 
> I think, this point, as a major task aimed at helping our LC
> brothers and sisters, should be included in your resolution.
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> 
> Mi Mi
> 
> Member of
> Lads-net Committee
> 'Mi Mi               ECHO WANG            8/20/93 NCO's Resolution
> 


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Hellow, all the colleagues,

	The following is a copy of a possible motion on CSPA and LAS issue
our Survey & Infor Committee may promote in the second session of our tele-
conference.  Please comment.  Than Thank you. (obviously I'm using this crazy
mail tool again!  I'm taking the chance while my boss is not in.  Doing some
volunteer work while ett getting paid from another job--not bad, huh)


Forwarded message:
> From zhan0002@gold.tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 20 12:37:42 1993
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 11:32:32 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Feng Zhang-1 <zhan0002@gold.tc.umn.edu>
> Sender: Feng Zhang-1 <zhan0002@gold.tc.umn.edu>
> Reply-To: Feng Zhang-1 <zhan0002@gold.tc.umn.edu>
> Subject: 
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> 
> Hi! Wang Jin, I am really short of time.
> Take a look at this draft . Let me know whether you think it's OK.
> Send mails to this account. Another one is used for garbbage nets.
> 
> Zhang Feng
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>               The Resolution on the Later-Comers' concerns about
>                         possible hurt because of CSPA
>     
>     Whereas all the CSS community consider CSPA as a great achievement.
> 
>     Whereas in the process of CSPA writing, there is little attention
> paid to those Fellow Chinese Students who came United States after April
> 11m, 1990.
> 
>     Whereas after CSPA Implementation began, interests conflict between Late
>  Arriving Dependents (LADs) and Late Arriving Students (LASs) become a bad
>  sign for both organization and CSS community.
>    
>     Be it  resolved:
> 
>     (1) Being an organization on behalf of the whole CSS, IFCSS HQ should
>  compose a comprehensive fact-based report on all the issues of CSPA as soon
>  as possible.
> 
>     (2) It's IFCSS's liability and obligation to provide fair opportunities
>  to the whole CSS community. If CSPA really hurt the interests of LASs after
>  some periods of CSPA Implementation, IFCSS HQ should show its favorites and
>  sympathy towards LASes on this interests conflict issue and work on reducing 
>  any possible hurt.
> 
>     (3) IFCSS HQ should assign one person (one from 4 full time) as the 
>  corordinator with NCO to minitor the latest CSPA situation, to keep all
>  CSS especially  Later-comers informed by up-date official information.   
> 
> 
> 
> (end)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
==========================================================================




                     RESOLUTIONS POSTED BY COUNCILS
                   (Until Aug 20, Friday, 11:00am PDT)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

                ***NAME***

             Sponsored by Liang Er, Seconded by Fan Hongran


Whereas the projects on talents exchange with mainland China, the projects
on services to students ans scholars, and other financ-related projects
are very important for IFCSS;

Whereas the Council has been entitled the legal responsibilities of IFCSS
by the IFCSS Charter;

Whereas the resolution on the supreme legitimacy of the similar projects
were passed in the 5th Congress of IFCSS;

It is resolved that:

All contracts related to the projects mentioned above are effective only
when the president of IFCSS get the contracts ratified by the Council or
the working committee appointed by the Council. And the delegates
appointed by the Council have the right and responsibilities to supervise
and participate in the decision-making of the administration of the
contracted projects.

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         The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars
                          Service Fundation
                              (Amended)

             Sponsored by Fan Hongran, Second by Dong Liqun

whereas with the still increasing large Chinese population in America, the
IFCSS, the only nation-wide Chinese Students and Scholars organization,
should take on the responsibility to better serve this social group in
addition to promote democracy in our homeland of China;

Whereas the IFCSS faces a fincial challenge for existence and the need of
more financil aid sources;

Whereas there are some technique difficulties for the IFCSS to make more
profit as a non-profit organization;

It is resovled that the IFCSS should establish a Chinese Students and
Scholars Service Fundation to unite and serve a larger population of other
groups, in the mean time, this Fundtion would response for fund raising
for the IFCSS;

It is further resovled the daily operation of this Fundation would not
under the direction of the IFCSS HQ or the IFCSS Council. This Fundation
would be run by the board of trustee which will be approved by the IFCSS
Council. The Fundation's income and donation would be transferred to the
IFCSS based on the contract in accordance with the standard procedure
which has been followed in the United States.
 

_______________________________________________________________________________

            The Resolution on IFCSS and the New-Comers' Organization
                             (Amended)

               Sponsored by Wang Jing, Seconded by  Zhang Feng

        The situation under which New-Comers' Organization(NCO) established
has created an image of a splitting CSS community.

        Whereas IFCSS is to serve and represent the interestes of the whole
Chinese Scholars and Students (CSS) community,

        Whereas misunderstandings and lacking of communication have caused
problems between some late arriving CSS and other CSS,

        It is the responsibility of IFCSS to oversee this issue and solve
the related problems.

        Be it resolved:

        IFCSS initiate and keep contact with the NCO and show the
willingness of working with them for their interests.

        Be it further resolved:

        IFCSS provide services to NCO when feasible, which may include
equipmental support, information consulting and other kind of support for
specific projects that would benefit the CSS community.


        IFCSS should always have its gate open up eaqually to both the
early-arriving CSS and the late-arriving CSS in order to achieve its goal
of serving the complete CSS community in the US.

_______________________________________________________________________________


        The Resolution on the Raising of the Budget of the 5th Council

           Sponsored by  Financial Committee,  Draft by Bing Qi

    Whereas there are some unexpected issues that need to be discussed
within the council by teleconference and in some cases council members have
to go to D.C. to work with the HQ.

    Whereas the current budget of the council is limited.

    Be it solved:

    The miscellaneous part of the budget of the 5th council will be raised
from $1000 to $3000. To use this part of money needs the approval of the
majority of the council.

================================================================================

    Amendament for the Ifcss Financial regulations

    Article 1.  change "after he is elected as the president." to after
    he starts transition period.

    Article 5. change "after he is elected." to  after he starts
    transition period.

    Article 11. add (no less than two representatives) after "any
    aythorized agent of the council."

    Article 16 add  (include president,vice-president,treasurer,assistant
    treasurer...etc.any related person.) before "if is recommended by
    the council."

********************************************************************************

           The Resolution recommended by Personnel Committee
             of the 5th council  for the 1st teleconference

The Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
recommended by Mr. Lin Changshen, the President
of 5th IFCSS, has been approved by Personnel
Committee of the 5th council.

Songlin Ren (signed)
Chair, Personnel Committee of the 5th council
Aug. 13, 1992


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                     Resolution on the Award Project

            Sponsored by Ding Yungui, Seconded by Zhang Feng 

Whereas the IFCSS Working Committee of Science and Technology, Culture, and
Education Exchange (the IFCSS WC in short hereafter) was authorized in the
last term to carry out a project that would award some college students in
China for their achievement in academical studies and sponsor some activities
of student organizations on a competitive and selective basis (hereafter
refer to as the project);

Whereas the IFCSS WC was not able to carry out this project before the end
of the last term largely because of hard-to-control application process,
and thus the project has been carried over to the new term of the IFCSS;

Whereas the project is the first meaningful one of this type of the IFCSS in
its pursuit of educational and cultural exchange with China, and thus bears
a unique significance;

Whereas the exchange with China is the focus point of the new term and
educational exchange is a vital part of it, and the same award project will
be continued (upon the approval by the Council) in the current year;

Whereas the IFCSS WC has announced the winners of the awards and the amount
of the awards;

Be it resolved

1) That the award for twelve (12) students and funding for one (1)
   organizational activity selected by the IFCSS WC shall be honored by IFCSS;

2) That each one of the award winners shall be awarded the promised $240.00,
   and the organizatoin $100, part of which ($2,000 in total) will come from
   the remaining balance of the last term and the rest ($980) from external
   sources IFCSS shall go to;

3) That the IFCSS WC shall file a detailed report to the IFCSS headquarters
   on this project, including the rules of selection and all the application
   documents. These materials shall be permanently kept for future reference.



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Proposal on Examinatin of the Financial And Asset Situation of IFCSS HQ

Sponsored by Finance Committee
Draft by Zhou Hongguang

I. Basckground
    During the each transition of the HQ, there has been always discrepency
occured in the financial records of HQ. This year is again sees no exception.
The financial report by the 4th term is incomplete and even after the 5th
term budget request has been was submitted to the Council's Finance
Committee and the repeated request by the Finance Committee of furnishing
update information, the report by the HQ is still full with
estimated fingures.

II. Objectives
Financial records
To compose fixed asset list
Workload evaluation
To gather Information for financial package regarding the operation of HQ

III. Efficiency analysis
Benefits that may reulted from such a site examination
Costs involved: travel and lodge expenses by the Finance Committee
Expected date of report to the Council
--------
    Whereas since the Ifcss HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
responsibility to the members of the council and Ifcss and have the right
to know the finance of the Ifcss.
  
    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
report for last term and a list of Ifcss equipments.


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              The Resolution on the Later-Comers' concerns about
                         possible hurt because of CSPA

                     Sponsored by Wang Jing and Zhang Feng

     Whereas all the CSS community consider CSPA as a great achievement.

     Whereas in the process of CSPA writing, there is little attention
paid to those Fellow Chinese Students who came United States after April
11m, 1990.

    Whereas after CSPA Implementation began, interests conflict between Late
Arriving Dependents (LADs) and Late Arriving Students (LASs) become a bad
sign for both organization and CSS community.

    Be it  resolved:

     (1) Being an organization on behalf of the whole CSS, IFCSS HQ should
compose a comprehensive fact-based report on all the issues of CSPA as soon
as possible.

     (2) It's IFCSS's liability and obligation to provide fair opportunities
to the whole CSS community. If CSPA really hurt the interests of LASs after
some periods of CSPA Implementation, IFCSS HQ should show its favorites and
sympathy towards LASes on this interests conflict issue and work on reducing
any possible hurt.

     (3) IFCSS HQ should assign one person (one from 4 full time) as the
corordinator with NCO to minitor the latest CSPA situation, to keep all
CSS especially  Later-comers informed by up-date official information.


================================================================================












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Wang Jing, 

The third item in the resolution is a good idea.
In the other resolution, working committee for NCO shall be established.
You may want to specify the coordination between the appointed HQ
coordinator and the comittee.


Yungui

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Chair, and all of the members of Council:

As request of Financial Committee of Council, I have examined 
the duty and salary arrangement of the interface time between 
4th and 5th HQ. According to the IFCSS regulation and duty 
arrangement, the persons should have payment in the time 
period are:

	4th HQ
	Gen Xiao, 		
	one month salary (on duty whole month)
	He Boping,		
	half month salary (5 days on duty and 10 days vacation)
	Zhang QingSong, 	
	one month salary (on duty whole month)

	5th HQ
	Lin Changshen, 	
	one month salary (on duty whole month)
	Shi Heping, 		
	one month salary (on duty whole month)
	Liu Xiaozu, 		
	one month salary (on duty whole month)
	Jiang Zuihong, 	
	half month salary (on duty whole month, half payment)

Songlin Ren 
Chair, Personnel Committee
5th IFCSS Council


 


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Hi, Songlin,

     Good job!

     BTW, is your mail only for a reference or as an emergancy motion to
the meeting?

Liqun


On Fri, 20 Aug 1993, Songlin Ren wrote:

> Chair, and all of the members of Council:
> 
> As request of Financial Committee of Council, I have examined 
> the duty and salary arrangement of the interface time between 
> 4th and 5th HQ. According to the IFCSS regulation and duty 
> arrangement, the persons should have payment in the time 
> period are:
> 
> 	4th HQ
> 	Gen Xiao, 		
> 	one month salary (on duty whole month)
> 	He Boping,		
> 	half month salary (5 days on duty and 10 days vacation)
> 	Zhang QingSong, 	
> 	one month salary (on duty whole month)
> 
> 	5th HQ
> 	Lin Changshen, 	
> 	one month salary (on duty whole month)
> 	Shi Heping, 		
> 	one month salary (on duty whole month)
> 	Liu Xiaozu, 		
> 	one month salary (on duty whole month)
> 	Jiang Zuihong, 	
> 	half month salary (on duty whole month, half payment)
> 
> Songlin Ren 
> Chair, Personnel Committee
> 5th IFCSS Council
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 




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yes

songlin


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>     (3) IFCSS HQ should assign one person (one from 4 full time) as the 
>  corordinator with NCO to minitor the latest CSPA situation, to keep all
>  CSS especially  Later-comers informed by up-date official information.   
HQ doesn't have 4 full time as proposed by Lin Changshen.
Lin Changshen has promised to set up a committee for NCO, so I don't think
it is necessary to have a full paid stuff to di this.
This is only my opinion. Anyway, I am going to vote yeah to your resolution.

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Songlin,

	What 'yes' is this?  To whom were you sending this mail?

Wang Jing the Confused

> 
> 
> yes
> 
> songlin
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> 
> 


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Hi, guys, I wish you have read the amended resolution on the establish the Chinese Students and Scholars service fundation , how do you like the new version. I am waiting for your comments.
Special thanks to Yugui and Zheng dong, the give me very good suggestions on amending this proposal.

Hongran

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From: Yungui Ding

I am reviewing the package for the next teleconference.
Here is some thoughts, some of which may have been raised before by others.

1.  Liang Er's resolution.
    I suggest to amend as follows:
    -- All contract The IFCSS president signs with contractors with
       more than $2,000 involved should be:
       (1) put to open bidding
       (2) ratified by the Council
    This should not be limited to those mentioned projects in Liang Er's 
    resolution.

2. Wang Jing's resolution
   I once saw that Wang Jing proposed to set up a LC committee.
   What happened to that idea?

   Instead of asking the HQ to provide a (one-time) summary, I think we should
   ask IFCSS to continue monitoring the CSPA issue, keep the CSS be informed
   of what is happening, and take action to promote the interests of LC's.

3. While the proposals of the finance committee will be reconsidered,
   why the resolution on Transition is not included in the package?


Thank you for your consideration.


Yungui

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Amendment:
Change the resolution to:

Whereas the council has been entitled the legal responsibility of IFCSS by the
IFCSS Charter,

Whereas there is no clear definition about project in IFCSS bylaw,

Be it resolved that:
1. IFCSS HQ shall not sign any project contracts prior to the ratification by
council or related council committee.
2. Council has the right to monitor and stop any working committees or on
going projects, except where prohibited by law.


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Hi, Chen Dong:

     Hopefully, all our councils could see your amendment. If Liang Er
likes to accept your amendment, we can discuss his resolution directly
based on your version. Because it is too late for many of us to access
their e-mail systems, you or Liang Er need to refresh your version before
it is on the floor.

Liqun Dong




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   From:  Zheng-Ping Chen
          Case Western Reserve University
Subject:  IFCSS Budget Proposal !!
   Date:  August 19, 1993


Before you make a donation to IFCSS in the future, think about how 
it will be used/abused.

>From the reports I have received so far about the Council's first 
teleconference, I was struck  (dumb and almost speechless) by what 
I surmised to be some council members' indifference toward the obvious 
pitfalls in the budget proposal.  To make the next conference slightly 
more fruitful and less disappointing, I would like to submit to each 
council member a memorandum in which I try to "itemize" our criticism 
of the budget proposal. I don't at all claim the credit of an original 
commentator; at best I am but a humble but faithful scribbler.  Here 
are some of the points I gathered from some recent correspondence on 
the net.

(1) The vagueness and elusiveness of the categories.  As some people 
have observed, what we have is a very crude, uninformative breakdown 
of revenue and expenditure.  We get a lump sum of anticipated expenses, 
but we don't have a clue as to how they come up with the figure.  Either 
they think we can be fooled or they don't want to trouble us with 
details, But we believe council members do need to know the specifics 
before they cast the vote.  What in the world is "donation from society" 
in A. ?  Is it dig out of poor students' pockets?  Is it a dependable, 
stable source of income ?  Is it "renewable" on a yearly basis ?  Or is 
it a groundless, self-willed supposition ?  And what on earth is 
"student service" ?  How is the income generated ?  What is the 
"round-table meeting" in (8) for ?  What will be the attendants ?  
Does it refer to a fancy banquet or celebration?

(2) The outrageous "operation cost" for the HQ.  More than one-third of 
the estimated total revenue comes from donation (a generous sum, and 
let's hope that it is secured), yet it falls far short of the amount 
required to keep the office running.  What if the donation is not 
guaranteed ?  As far as we know, the travel compensation for all the 
delegates to the 5th Congress was about $15,000, however the 
travel/transportation budget for HQ is to be $15,000. Do they all 
incline to travel first-class, assuming they can get discount (as they 
have always advised delegates to procure)?  By the way, the travel 
expenses for HQ last term did not exceed $3,100.  In B(2) the 
"miscellaneous" $5,000 is a very liberal allowance for HQ compared to 
the stingy sum of $200 for the 5-head supervisory committee on b(4).   

(3) The potential problem of the Headquarter being "over-staffed."  
We need to know the rationale behind the current setup of the HQ.  
For instance, why would such a small office need a "chief-of-staff" 
(quite an impressive title, I must admit)?  What would he do that 
would entitle him to a full-time salary?  Can the HQ learn austerity 
at the initial stage of an organization not born with a silver spoon 
in its mouth?  It is not a matter of whether or not they should, but 
whether or not they can and will.  

We would all allow that it is always easier to criticize others than 
to do it ourselves.  However a healthy organization needs to be 
exposed to dissenting voices in order to remind itself not to indulge 
in self-complacence, as if it does not have to answer to anyone. 


Attach is the 5th term budget proposal.
 
**************************************************************************
     
    To:    IFCSS Council
    Date:  August 10, 1993
    Re:    5th Term Budget Proposal
     
    Dear Council Members:
     
    The following is the 5th term budget proposal. I hope that it will be
    approved in the upcoming First Council Teleconference. Thanks for your
    consideration.
     
    Sincerely,
     
    Lin Changsheng
    IFCSS President
    ======================================================================
     
                         The IFCSS Annual Budget
                        Fiscal Year of 1993-1994
     
    A.   Revenue (Estimated)
         Donation from Society                               $120,000
         Student Service                                     $100,000
         Grant from Foundations                               $30,000
         Remaining Funds from Fiscal Year of 1992-1993        $69,500
         ============================================================
         Total Revenue                                       $319,500
     
    B.   Expenditure
         Operation Cost                  Monthly             Annually
     (1) HQ Staff Compensation
         Four Full Time Staff Members
         and One Part Time Accountant    $2,000 X 4           $96,000
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         Subtotal                                             $96,400
     
     (2) HQ Operating Cost
         Office Rent                                          $10,900
         Phone Bills                                          $15,000
         Mailing                                               $2,000
         Office Supply                                         $2,000
         Printing/Copying                                      $2,000
         Travel/Transportation                                $15,000
         Office Equipment                                      $3,000
         Miscellaneous                                         $5,000
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         Subtotal                                             $54,900
         
     (3) Council (16 Members)
         Tele-Conference                                       $4,000
         Telephone Compensation                                $6,000
         Miscellaneous                                         $1,000
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         Subtotal                                             $11,000
     
     (4) Supervisory Committee (5 Members)
         Tele-Conference                                         $800
         Telephone Compensation                                $1,800
         Miscellaneous                                           $200
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         Subtotal                                              $2,800
     
     (5) Working Committees                                   $10,000
     
     (6) Newsletter                                           $18,000
     
     (7) Project Assistants                                   $36,000
     
     (8) Round-Table Meeting                                  $12,000
     
     (9) The 6th Congress                                     $60,000
     
         ============================================================
         Total Expenditure                                  $300,700
     
    C.  Surplus                                               $18,800
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Note:   I forgot to put a note about other two working committees
    in the report about personnel arrangement. The Note should read:
     
    "The exchange and student services are the two most important tasks
    in this term. Considering the complication and burden of work in those
    two areas, I plan not to establish committees, but make the projects
    on a contract basis. The HQ will accept proposals and sign contract
    on a case by case basis."
     
***************************************************************************   
    
end/

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Dear Readers:

        After reading Zheng-Ping Chen's comments and the attached IFCSS
Budget Proposal, I would like to put foward a few suggestions as listed
below.

                              I. Revenues

1) Presumably, "donation from society" and "grant from foundations" are
credited solely for routine operations rather than any specifically designated
purposes, namely, flood or the human rights activity.  Otherwise, the
expenditures must be debited accordingly for those specific purposes.  If
not, it violates the "double entry" principle of accounting.
        Somehow, it doesn't feel sure that $250,000 can be projected from
donations and grants to cover the operating costs.  It would be much better
if the sources of donations and grants be recorded accessable to the public
so that the concerned people may make better judgments with the knowledge of
not only where money goes but where it comes from.

2) It looks that IFCSS does finance the services with user charges (besides
donation/grant) to the primary recipients of the services.  It would be then
interesting to know what kind of the services are being provided that can be
quantified and monetarized for the non-profit organization like IFCSS.

3) IFCSS is nationwide, but so loosely organized to the extent of making it
impossible to charge membership fees.  Certainly, there are other reasons
working  to enhance the impossibility, including that of the "free rider"
(it is irrational to pay for something that can be obtained for free) and
the fear of political repurcussion (registering name in the account book, just
like phone book, will inflict insecurity).  A remedy for it is to charge
membership fees by college/university and require reserves from each sub-
organization.
        Looking at the composition of revenues, own sources (service charges,
user fees, and membership fees) only accounts for 40%.  Due to the increasing
fiscal stress everywhere, the significant decline of relative contribution of
donations and grants are readily apparent, which means that IFCSS will have to
be more reliant on revenue from its own sources.

4) Since budgeting is a continuous process, relevant information on the actual
budget and variances should also be prepared and passed on.  Without knowing
the previous year's spending, it is difficult to estimate the current year's
allocation.
        It is amazing that IFCSS turned out to have a surplus of $69,500 from
the last fiscal year, when almost everybody can still recall IFCSS's refusal to
phone calls and outcry for manpower help during the heyday of CSPA.  Obviously,
this huge amount of dollars failed to be utilized timely to alleviate the
pressure when they were badly needed.

                              II. Expenditures

1) Various degree of appropriation control might be exercised by
manipulating "control point."  A great degree of public control will be
typified if expenditures are stated in the most detailed level.  For example,
compensation is in terms of each full time staff member's monthly amount of
$2,000, as opposed to a mere total sum of annual amount.  Incidentally, the
part time accountant gets no compensation when $96,000 is divided up among the
four full time.
        Alternatively, a lesser amount of control would result if expenditures
are stated by such vague categories as "Working Committees" and "Round-Table
Meeting," as Chen already noticed.  Almost none of control could be exercised
by the public when salaries as one object-of-expenditure are surprisingly
nowhere to be found for the IFCSS president and vice president.  The President
of the United States earns $200,000 a year.  What about ours? Or, are they
voluntary or disguised as staff members?  Questions posed this way are not
meant to make fuss or fun of it, but to make sense of budget in its genuine
meaning of transparency.  Although the control point is at the budget makers'
discretion, at any event, the donors, the public, the council members, and
the accountant must be able to capture data in sufficient detail to permit
budgetary control and accountability.

2) Another way to improve budgetary control and accountability is to make
CAFR (Comprehensive Annual Financial Report) and various explanatory notes
available for public scrutiny so as to let it known how budget is executed, or
how money is used/abused.

                              III. Budget Format

        A couple of format problems merit attention simply for the purpose of
making the budget look right.
1) The last year's remaining fund balance should be put at the last section of
the budget, given that it is not counted as revenue but transfer.  A modified
version should look like this:

A.      Estimated Revenue
          Donation                              $120,000
          Service                                100,000
          Grant                                   30,000
                                                ---------
                                                 250,000

B.      Expenditures
          ......                                  ......
                                                ---------
                                                 300,700

C.      Excess of Estimated Revenues
        under Expenditures                       -50,700
        Estimated Fund Balance-Beginning
        of FY 1993-94                             69,500
        Estimated Fund Balance-End              ---------
        of FY 1993-94                           $ 18,800

2) Expenditures should be stated in a consistent manner and in the sequence of:
a. organization units
b. programs, functions, and activities
c. object of expenditure
As can be seen, the proposed budget is not so well organized in this order of
coherence

        Finally, since my suggestions are forced out from instinct entirely
stimulated from nothing more than the attached budget itself, I am open for
any other opinion and insight.

Bai Yan
8/20/93


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Hi, Ladies and Gentlemen:

Since the 2nd term of IFCSS, every new HQ would lobby IFCSS council to give 
HQ budget a green light before the council meeting. I think that IFCSS
HQ leaders have called the council leaders or members for the budget.

Here, I want to raise a question. Does current IFCSS HQ really need
so many people and so much manpower?  Look at all successful professional 
associations in the United States, even our Chinese associations, such as 
"Mei Hua Xie Hui" and "Zhong Mei Xie Hui" in Washington DC, they 
do not have so many people in their HQ.  Most of organizations just
hire one or two CEO or managers to administer daily work for the organization.  President or VPs do most of volunteer work or only get a part-time pay.

Currently, an full-time IFCSS staff salary was proposed to be
$24,000 per year, that is much higher than the salary of TA or RA in the 
United States. I remember that first term staff salary was about $1200/month 
and the first term IFCSS president only got a pay of $800/month. It's said 
that last term of HQ staff salary is $1800/month.  However today's IFCSS HQ 
is not like the 1st and 2nd term HQ that needed lot of manpower in the 
beginning of IFCSS. IFCSS should promote volunteerism.

It's said that if the last term HQ had had no big income ($220,000 to 240,000) 
from CSS protection information center, IFCSS would not have money to hold 
the 5th IFCSS conference. Assuming the 4th IFCSS HQ got $220,000.00, you will 
find a big difference between $220,000 and $69,500 that is remaining
Funds from Fiscal Year of 1992-1993 without the consideration of about $120,000 
IFCSS health Insurance Plan income in last term. Big spending!

I feel that the current IFCSS HQ staff structure is somehow wrong.
This kind of structure will lead IFCSS to its demise from the financial 
point of view soon, or eventually turn IFCSS to be a political organization 
for surviving. Look at IFCSS HQ history, most IFCSS HQ leaders do have no a 
long sight view of the IFCSS future for financial plan. They get money in 
their term and they spend it because they know that most likely they will not 
be in HQ in the next term. IFCSS never have no a long term budget, such as 
five year budget plan.

This is sad for the IFCSS. If individual has this money, do you
think that one of us will try to spend every penny within one year?

What's one of Bill Clinton's campaign slogans?  CHANGE!  American
needs CHANGE! For us, IFCSS needs CHANGE! At least IFCSS needs to reduce HQ
staffs to minimum size, cut unnecessary spending in IFCSS, and save every 
penny for the IFCSS long term cause. 

Above comments about IFCSS budget are not against any individual of old or new
IFCSS HQ. I try to initiate this issue for your attention for the IFCSS future.

Regards,

Toni Ni
Univ. of Maryland






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The following is the wording of the ammemded bill.
Thanke you for your attention.
Zhou Hongguang
Finance Committee
5th IFCSS Council

=================================================================
Bill on Compensation for Members of Transition Team (CR5003 Amemded) 
Sponsored by Finance Committee
Draft by Zhou Hongguang
    
    Whereas new presidency and vice presidency have been elected on
the annual IFCSS congress, and the transition of the HQ administration has 
to be made between the outgoing term and the new term;
    Whereas a transition team has to be set up to ensure the smooth
transfer of the HQ administration;
    Whereas the members of the transition team have to be compensated for
their work and there is no such regualtions being set before; and
    Whereas the compensation for the team are based on the attendence
record by the Personal Committee
    Therefore, be it resolved by the 2nd session of the 1st 5th Council
teleconference that the transition team members be compensated as the above
setforth.
==========================================================================
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The following is the wording of the ammemded bill.
Thanke you for your attention.
Zhou Hongguang
Finance Committee
5th IFCSS Council

=================================================================
Bill on Compensation for Members of Transition Team (CR5003 Amemded) 
Sponsored by Finance Committee
Draft by Zhou Hongguang
    
    Whereas new presidency and vice presidency have been elected on
the annual IFCSS congress, and the transition of the HQ administration has 
to be made between the outgoing term and the new term;
    Whereas a transition team has to be set up to ensure the smooth
transfer of the HQ administration;
    Whereas the members of the transition team have to be compensated for
their work and there is no such regualtions being set before; and
    Whereas the compensation for the team are based on the attendence
record by the Personal Committee
    Therefore, be it resolved by the 2nd session of the 1st 5th Council
teleconference that the transition team members be compensated as the above
setforth.
==========================================================================
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The following message is resent because only until yesterday did I
realize that I had not yet been on the council-l. Please note this is
only for your record.
hongguang zhou

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 23:21:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hongguang Zhou <labhgz@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
To: "ifcss.finance" <bgqi@medinfo.rochester.edu>, labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu,
     xiubei@scripps.edu
Cc: council-wn@ifcss.org,council-wn@ifcss.org   
Subject: Resolution on Contigency-based Publishing of IFCSS Newsletter

Dear Council Colleague:
Here is the draft resolution for Contigency-based Publishing of IFCSS
Newsletter. Please comment. Thank you.
 
*--------------------------------------------------------------*
| Hongguang Zhou            Phone:               (404)727-0641 |
*--------------------------------------------------------------*

=================================================================
Resolution on Contigency-based Publishing of IFCSS Newsletter
Sponsored by Finance Committee
Draft by Zhou Hongguang
    
    Whereas the budget request by the 5th HQ for the IFCSS Newsletter has
been tabled during the 1st seesion of the 1st Council Teleconference;
    Whereas the Newsletter should be continuously published without
interruption because of the shelving of the budget request; and
    Whereas to ensure the continuously smooth published the Newsletter, the
HQ requests $5,000.00 as the fund for the operating cost of the
contingency-based publishing of the Newsletter until the approval of the
retroduced budget request for the publication;
    Therefore, be it resolved by the 2nd session of the 1st 5th Council
Teleconference that $5,000.00 be designated as the contingency fund for
the publishing of the Newsletter.
    Whereas the budget request for the Newsletter will be granted later;
and
    Whereas the Newsletter will continuously published thereafter;
    Therefore, be it further reolved by the 2nd session of the 1st 5th Council
Teleconference that the contingency fund approved above be incorperated into
the approved budget request as a portion of the latter. 

*--------------------------------------------------------------*





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Hi, Songlin,

Because 'council@ifcss.org' is n longer used and council's public net is
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Dear members of council, 
members of supervisor committee, 
members of HQ, 
and all of the people in the network:

The 1st tele-meeting of 5th IFCSS council is over. 
The tele-meeting took about 11 hours with 2 sections. 
The meeting passed the HQ working plan, financial budget, 
personnel arrangements, and several resolutions. 
As a council member and chair of personnel committee of
the council, I would say the meeting was not successful and 
damaged the working relation between the HQ and the council. 
Some results of the meeting will block the day work of IFCSS. 
More important things are some council member were not very 
conscientious for their vote, even use their personal emotion and 
interest to raise and vote resolutions. As a member of council 
elected by my local students, we have to point out my opponents.

1) The conference took 11 hours, most of members had not well 
prepared before the meeting.

2) The council disprove the arrangement of Zhang Qinsong 
(Executive Director  of 4th IFCSS) for IFCSS Newsletter Editor in 
Chief . No body asking any question about Mr. ZhangUs abilities 
and experience. The only reason to discharge Mr. Zhang was that 
some of council member want cut IFCSS newsletter budget. We 
should know the personnel assignment is nothing to with financial 
problem in this case. The result is unfair treatment for Mr. Zhang. 

3) In the meeting, the council increased their own budget and 
froze IFCSS newsletter and HQU traveling budgets. Raising the 
council own budget and freezing IFCSS newsletter 
and HQ travel budgets are not conscientious attitude. The only 
reason is financial committee want to exam the  HQ accounts. Until 
now, the financial committee have no any evidence for HQ have 
unclear account and the exam work was not well prepared. The 
direct result is IFCSS have not money to do newsletter and no money 
to travel. 

4) Ding YunguiUs resolution did not consider the real facts that is the 
scholarship never use IFCSS name and will not to use IFCSS name 
(they use name was some kind foundation), the working committee 
delayed the deadline of 4th iFCSS. Under the facts, the council faced 
5th IFCSS to give the money to the working committee $240 for each 
scholarship. From the resolution, the working committee did not do 
anything wrong, all faults belong to 5th HQ which just elected one 
and half month. 

5) Shen Tong resign her council member at end of meeting 
to the council. The attitude is not very conscientious for their 
local students. The position were elected by local student 
organizations, to resign it should go to the local student 
organizations not in council meeting. 

We work in the council for IFCSS and our Chinese students, 
not our self, can not play games here. If some council members 
stand this kind of attitude the IFCSS will damaged in their hands,
all of the member have to take the responsibilities.

Sincerely yours

Songlin Ren
Aug. 23, 1993
Boston





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Yuhe,

You raised good questions.

First of all, I think everyone in the council is reluctant to answer,
because specific personal name is involved, as commented by the IFCSS
president and VP,
and Songlin.

It is a pity that the nomination did not pass.  I feel sad for it.

However, I think Yuhe's question should have been asked after the
1st session and before the 2nd session, since in the first
session, the Newsletter budget did not pass.
For that, I think it was the President who scewed it up in his
proposal.  As I have said, the Newsletter projet was among several
very 'crude' projects that has a large amount but lacks any
necessary details.  In addition, the Newsletter was entered in the
budget proposal twice in a very unclear way.

Even so, one could still argue that the Newsletter project is still
pending.  In the personnel package, again, the same thing was
entered twice: one under the HQ staff personnel, one under the
working committee nominations.  That is awkward!  Especially when
after it was explained that the HQ budget should not have included
NL.  NL should not be considered as part of HQ staff, as clear stated
by both the President and VP.  How could the nomination  be voted 
under HQ?

Coming to the WC category, I once suggested that the WC's (NL is in
this category now) be considered before nomination for WC chairs (or chief),
but the Personnel Committee chair objected the idea strongly.  
It is ok for other "clear-cut" WC's, it adds confusion to others.

Such as in the case of Grass-root WC, I moved to add explicitly that
we were voting on both, approval of the WC (since it is new) and the chair.

Look at the case of NL.  The budget of it had not passed.  Now it was
not clear what the status of the project was.  Technically, I should say,
we had no money to put this nominee for yet.  NL was not considered as a 
WC before, it had been a kind of project.  Now categorized as a WC with
pay and the money part had not passed yet, I did not know how to vote.
The whole mess was created originally in the roughness of the presidential
proposals.  It is not fair to blame the Council or the Council members.

I absteined with the above considerations.  That was not personally
against anyone or for anyone.  It is a Council member's duty to
acrefully examine the proposal and cast a serious vote.

For the NL itself, last year, the first issue was out in September.
The Council was considering emergency funding for the NL after the
1st session of the teleconference (that had nothing to do with the
personnel part, only resulted from the budget part).
I believe the Council will be willing to work together with the HQ
to figure out a way to keep NL alive.  

Yuhe also asks about whether the Council discussed it with the HQ before
the meeting.  I don't think that is a relevant question.  
We only knew the result of nomination after the conference, therefore
no arrangement could be made ahead of that.  Well, somebody might
have been able to predict things, I am not.


Now back to the personal level, I think some of us get emotional
because we are friends of Qingsong who happens to be in the center.
I share the same emotion.  However, we council members had to work
for the Council while on duty.  That was why I was sad with the result.


Yungui

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Thanks Yungui for the information. Now, I have a question about the
chief editor nomination. Why was the nomination rejected? Did the
council think that the nominee is not qualified, or the position
shouldn't be paid? I am really confused. First, I think the nominee IS
qualified. The question is then on the payment. I don't want to say
anything more, since Anzhi had an excellent explanation. The fact is,
the council rejected the nomination. Then who will be in charge on the
Newsletter? Does the council have any ideas? Want to stop the
Newsletter? Well, at least the Newsletter has to delay for 1 or 2 issues
because of the rejection. Did the council discuss it with the HQ before
the meeting? As I knew, there are at least 1000 direct reader. Now they
will have to loss 1 or 2 issues.


Yuhe

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================================================================================

																		An open letter to the 5th council of IFCSS
                                                                   8/23/93
================================================================================

Hello, Dear council colleagues:

The first teleconference of the 5th council was over for two days and I hope all
of you have already recovered from it. There have already been some opinions 
posted on the council net, regarding the operation and results of the first 
teleconference. Here I'd like to contribute my own.

First of all, I should express my deep appreciation to all the council members 
for their hard work and sense of justice in the 1st teleconference. I enjoy 
working in the council. I was very impressed by the democratic atmosphere 
achieved in the conference, which was what we were dreaming of and fighting for 
several years ago in Beijing. Undoubtedly, the results of the conference are 
important, but the way in which these results were obtained is more important. 
This is where we, IFCSS, are different from many of the organizations in our
nation's modern history. The debate, and even the confrontations between council 
members and Headquarter (HQ) workers seem unpleasant, but we've got to know that 
they are indispensible for a healthy IFCSS because this is the right way to go. 
We've got to face it and I will.

On reviewing the first teleconference, I'm glad to find out that many of the 
council memebers who are new in IFCSS issues including me have learnt a lot of 
knowledge and background from it. This was achieved with the help of many of the
veterans of IFCSS, which gives us more confidence and experience for our further
work in IFCSS. We, new members of the council, should say thank you to all the 
veterans in both council and HQ.

However, with the deeper understanding of the IFCSS issues, I have some
concerns about the operation of IFCSS. An obvious one is that the HQ might have 
some kind of disconnection with the chinese students in thousands of US schools. 
No doubt the close communication between the widespread CSS and HQ is vital for 
the survival of IFCSS, an organization which claims itself to be the 
representive of the majority of CSS community. 

Currently, I can see two ways to achieve this. One is the questioning by council
members in the teleconference which should show the opinions of local CSS, and, 
the distribution of explanation of HQ by council members to local CSS after the 
teleconference. As we know, most of council members spent a lot of time and 
energy talking with local students or the chairs of local CSS association by 
phone or by email before the teleconference. So many of the questions raised by 
council members in the 1st teleconference were directly originated from local 
students.  However, all the council members are volunteers and many of them are 
full-time students. They sacrifice a lot of time and energy for IFCSS but they 
have to bear the heavy burden of study and research in the same time. Thus, 
although they try very hard, the efficiency of the channel of communication can 
only be limited.  This is also why that the council needs the support and 
cooperation of the second channel, which is the media system of IFCSS, say, the 
Newsletter and Newsrelease. This channel should function well to avoid IFCSS 
being isolated from its grassroots.

However, the situation in the media system of IFCSS is far from satisfaction. In 
the critical weeks of CSPA-LCD, I only received several pieces of 
IFCSS-newsrelease. Aside from that, I can not receive it sometimes for more than
a week. I asked many of the local students and none of them has ever received 
any piece of it. How about the newsletter? Take an example of our school with 
roughly 400 CSS in the last year, I can't say there wasn't a single piece of it, 
but at least all the students I know and I haven't heard of anything named 
"IFCSS-newsletter" before my going to the 5th congress, which is supposed to be 
the major journal of IFCSS, an organization claiming to work for the whole CSS 
group as mentioned before. In the same time I consulted  some students in other 
school and they told me the same story. Ordinary students have nearly no way to 
get any piece of it! I think that's enough for us to doubt the efficiency of 
distribution of IFCSS-newsletter, a journal which is edited and distributed by a 
half-time editor ($12,000 a year) with modern equipments and enough budget. In 
view of the problem, it is natural for the council members to pay great 
attention to the proposal by HQ on IFCSS-newsletter which carries a price tag of 
$18,000.

I do not have any reason against Mr Zhang Qingsong personally.  It is the
principle of the fairness and openness that we have defended when the council
voted down the proposal on the newsletter.  The proposal of the HQ was too
crude and there was no way to have anyone held accountable based on such
an immature proposal. It is therefore reasonable for many of our council members 
to hesitate in their castings. We need kind of real proof of the accountability, 
instead of some emotional reasons, before we make our decisions to approve 
anything, because we don't want the media system of IFCSS running without 
accountability. We don't want the Newsletter and Newsrelease be published in the 
same way as before forever! It's nice that some of our council members offered 
their own suggestions such as public bidding to the job. Anyone, including Mr 
Zhang Qingsong, will have a chance to prove his or her qualification under this 
kind of open and equal procedures. We feel sorry that the work of newsletter 
will be delayed and Mr Zhang Qingsong was not given an opportunity to prove 
himself because the HQ was not able to provide a better alternative to its 
original proposal.

Anyone could make mistakes.  I don't mind to stand corrected for what I did
in the council or anywhere else if the evidence convinces me.  However, we
as council representatives are not speaking for ourselves.  We are elected
by our constituents --- the grassroots CSS organizations.  It is they who
should be the final judge to what we do in the council.  Therefore, I
suggest that, before we charge on other council members for their actions,
why don't we present the whole case to the entire IFCSS community?  There
are many established channels such as CND, china-net, etc., where a debate
can be held and polls can be conducted.  Each of our council members can
also conduct polls in their regions.  I am prepared to post this issue to
the coordination net of the East Region where I was elected. Let's hear what our 
constituents have to say about the issue of IFCSS-newsletter and the handling by 
council.

That some bills were not passed in the 1st teleconference is neither accidental 
nor targeted at any personnel as implied by some people. It reveals the 
unsatisfaction of the majority of the council members and it is not a trival 
problem at all.  In fact, the IFCSS-newsletter controversy is only a small
reflection of a larger problem.  I further suggest that we present the whole
council debate on the various issues to the entire IFCSS community.  Let each
of us stand in front of the true judge of our action, instead of accusing each
other of wrong doings and dark motivations.  I think all of our council members
keep the sincere wishes in our minds and we truely hope that the HQ will try 
their best to work out a satisfactory solution to reform the journals. The new 
journals are expected to be closer to the local CSS and to better serve IFCSS, 
and for IFCSS to better serve the whole CSS community.

Thank you for reading this. Any comments or further discussions are very 
welcome!

                                         



                                           Sincerely yours,

                                            
                                           Qi, Bing (signed)
				
																																		         persident of Chinese Students &
						                                           Scolars Association of 
																																																	University of Rochester
																																											council member of the 5th IFCSS
																																											      of Eastern Region


================================================================================


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																		An open letter to the 5th council of IFCSS
                                                                   8/23/93
================================================================================

Hello, Dear council colleagues:

The first teleconference of the 5th council was over for two days and I hope all
of you have already recovered from it. There have already been some opinions 
posted on the council net, regarding the operation and results of the first 
teleconference. Here I'd like to contribute my own.

First of all, I should express my deep appreciation to all the council members 
for their hard work and sense of justice in the 1st teleconference. I enjoy 
working in the council. I was very impressed by the democratic atmosphere 
achieved in the conference, which was what we were dreaming of and fighting for 
several years ago in Beijing. Undoubtedly, the results of the conference are 
important, but the way in which these results were obtained is more important. 
This is where we, IFCSS, are different from many of the organizations in our
nation's modern history. The debate, and even the confrontations between council 
members and Headquarter (HQ) workers seem unpleasant, but we've got to know that 
they are indispensible for a healthy IFCSS because this is the right way to go. 
We've got to face it and I will.

On reviewing the first teleconference, I'm glad to find out that many of the 
council memebers who are new in IFCSS issues including me have learnt a lot of 
knowledge and background from it. This was achieved with the help of many of the
veterans of IFCSS, which gives us more confidence and experience for our further
work in IFCSS. We, new members of the council, should say thank you to all the 
veterans in both council and HQ.

However, with the deeper understanding of the IFCSS issues, I have some
concerns about the operation of IFCSS. An obvious one is that the HQ might have 
some kind of disconnection with the chinese students in thousands of US schools. 
No doubt the close communication between the widespread CSS and HQ is vital for 
the survival of IFCSS, an organization which claims itself to be the 
representive of the majority of CSS community. 

Currently, I can see two ways to achieve this. One is the questioning by council
members in the teleconference which should show the opinions of local CSS, and, 
the distribution of explanation of HQ by council members to local CSS after the 
teleconference. As we know, most of council members spent a lot of time and 
energy talking with local students or the chairs of local CSS association by 
phone or by email before the teleconference. So many of the questions raised by 
council members in the 1st teleconference were directly originated from local 
students.  However, all the council members are volunteers and many of them are 
full-time students. They sacrifice a lot of time and energy for IFCSS but they 
have to bear the heavy burden of study and research in the same time. Thus, 
although they try very hard, the efficiency of the channel of communication can 
only be limited.  This is also why that the council needs the support and 
cooperation of the second channel, which is the media system of IFCSS, say, the 
Newsletter and Newsrelease. This channel should function well to avoid IFCSS 
being isolated from its grassroots.

However, the situation in the media system of IFCSS is far from satisfaction. In 
the critical weeks of CSPA-LCD, I only received several pieces of 
IFCSS-newsrelease. Aside from that, I can not receive it sometimes for more than
a week. I asked many of the local students and none of them has ever received 
any piece of it. How about the newsletter? Take an example of our school with 
roughly 400 CSS in the last year, I can't say there wasn't a single piece of it, 
but at least all the students I know and I haven't heard of anything named 
"IFCSS-newsletter" before my going to the 5th congress, which is supposed to be 
the major journal of IFCSS, an organization claiming to work for the whole CSS 
group as mentioned before. In the same time I consulted  some students in other 
school and they told me the same story. Ordinary students have nearly no way to 
get any piece of it! I think that's enough for us to doubt the efficiency of 
distribution of IFCSS-newsletter, a journal which is edited and distributed by a 
half-time editor ($12,000 a year) with modern equipments and enough budget. In 
view of the problem, it is natural for the council members to pay great 
attention to the proposal by HQ on IFCSS-newsletter which carries a price tag of 
$18,000.

I do not have any reason against Mr Zhang Qingsong personally.  It is the
principle of the fairness and openness that we have defended when the council
voted down the proposal on the newsletter.  The proposal of the HQ was too
crude and there was no way to have anyone held accountable based on such
an immature proposal. It is therefore reasonable for many of our council members 
to hesitate in their castings. We need kind of real proof of the accountability, 
instead of some emotional reasons, before we make our decisions to approve 
anything, because we don't want the media system of IFCSS running without 
accountability. We don't want the Newsletter and Newsrelease be published in the 
same way as before forever! It's nice that some of our council members offered 
their own suggestions such as public bidding to the job. Anyone, including Mr 
Zhang Qingsong, will have a chance to prove his or her qualification under this 
kind of open and equal procedures. We feel sorry that the work of newsletter 
will be delayed and Mr Zhang Qingsong was not given an opportunity to prove 
himself because the HQ was not able to provide a better alternative to its 
original proposal.

Anyone could make mistakes.  I don't mind to stand corrected for what I did
in the council or anywhere else if the evidence convinces me.  However, we
as council representatives are not speaking for ourselves.  We are elected
by our constituents --- the grassroots CSS organizations.  It is they who
should be the final judge to what we do in the council.  Therefore, I
suggest that, before we charge on other council members for their actions,
why don't we present the whole case to the entire IFCSS community?  There
are many established channels such as CND, china-net, etc., where a debate
can be held and polls can be conducted.  Each of our council members can
also conduct polls in their regions.  I am prepared to post this issue to
the coordination net of the East Region where I was elected. Let's hear what our 
constituents have to say about the issue of IFCSS-newsletter and the handling by 
council.

That some bills were not passed in the 1st teleconference is neither accidental 
nor targeted at any personnel as implied by some people. It reveals the 
unsatisfaction of the majority of the council members and it is not a trival 
problem at all.  In fact, the IFCSS-newsletter controversy is only a small
reflection of a larger problem.  I further suggest that we present the whole
council debate on the various issues to the entire IFCSS community.  Let each
of us stand in front of the true judge of our action, instead of accusing each
other of wrong doings and dark motivations.  I think all of our council members
keep the sincere wishes in our minds and we truely hope that the HQ will try 
their best to work out a satisfactory solution to reform the journals. The new 
journals are expected to be closer to the local CSS and to better serve IFCSS, 
and for IFCSS to better serve the whole CSS community.

Thank you for reading this. Any comments or further discussions are very 
welcome!

                                         



                                           Sincerely yours,

                                            
                                           Qi, Bing (signed)
				
																																		         persident of Chinese Students &
						                                           Scolars Association of 
																																																	University of Rochester
																																											council member of the 5th IFCSS
																																											      of Eastern Region


================================================================================


================================================================================ 
 
	
Qi, Bing

	716-292-0033(H)
	716-275-1444(O)																				
'BGQI@medinfo.rochester.edu'

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																		An open letter to the 5th council of IFCSS
																							      (Final draft)
                                                                   8/23/93
================================================================================

Hello, Dear council colleagues:

The first teleconference of the 5th council was over for two days and I hope all
of you have already recovered from it. There have already been some opinions 
posted on the council net, regarding the operation and results of the first 
teleconference. Here I'd like to contribute my own.

First of all, I should express my deep appreciation to all the council members 
for their hard work and sense of justice in the 1st teleconference. I enjoy 
working in the council. I was very impressed by the democratic atmosphere 
achieved in the conference, which was what we were dreaming of and fighting for 
several years ago in Beijing. Undoubtedly, the results of the conference are 
important, but the way in which these results were obtained is more important. 
This is where we, IFCSS, are different from many of the organizations in our
nation's modern history. The debate, and even the confrontations between council 
members and Headquarter (HQ) workers seem unpleasant, but we've got to know that 
they are indispensible for a healthy IFCSS because this is the right way to go. 
We've got to face it and I will.

On reviewing the first teleconference, I'm glad to find out that many of the 
council memebers who are new in IFCSS issues including me have learnt a lot of 
knowledge and background from it. This was achieved with the help of many of the
veterans of IFCSS, which gives us more confidence and experience for our further
work in IFCSS. We, new members of the council, should say thank you to all the 
veterans in both council and HQ.

However, with the deeper understanding of the IFCSS issues, I have some
concerns about the operation of IFCSS. An obvious one is that the HQ might have 
some kind of disconnection with the chinese students in thousands of US schools. 
No doubt the close communication between the widespread CSS and HQ is vital for 
the survival of IFCSS, an organization which claims itself to be the 
representive of the majority of CSS community. 

Currently, I can see two ways to achieve this. One is the questioning by council
members in the teleconference which should show the opinions of local CSS, and, 
the distribution of explanation of HQ by council members to local CSS after the 
teleconference. As we know, most of council members spent a lot of time and 
energy talking with local students or the chairs of local CSS association by 
phone or by email before the teleconference. So many of the questions raised by 
council members in the 1st teleconference were directly originated from local 
students.  However, all the council members are volunteers and many of them are 
full-time students. They sacrifice a lot of time and energy for IFCSS but they 
have to bear the heavy burden of study and research in the same time. Thus, 
although they try very hard, the efficiency of the channel of communication can 
only be limited.  This is also why that the council needs the support and 
cooperation of the second channel, which is the media system of IFCSS, say, the 
Newsletter and Newsrelease. This channel should function well to avoid IFCSS 
being isolated from its grassroots.

However, the situation in the media system of IFCSS is far from satisfaction. In 
the critical weeks of CSPA-LCD, I only received several pieces of 
IFCSS-newsrelease. Aside from that, I can not receive it sometimes for more than
a week. I asked many of the local students and none of them has ever received 
any piece of it. How about the newsletter? Take an example of our school with 
roughly 400 CSS in the last year, I can't say there wasn't a single piece of it, 
but at least all the students I know and I haven't heard of anything named 
"IFCSS-newsletter" before my going to the 5th congress, which is supposed to be 
the major journal of IFCSS, an organization claiming to work for the whole CSS 
group as mentioned before. In the same time I consulted  some students in other 
school and they told me the same story. Ordinary students have nearly no way to 
get any piece of it! I think that's enough for us to doubt the efficiency of 
distribution of IFCSS-newsletter, a journal which is edited and distributed by a 
half-time editor ($12,000 a year) with modern equipments and enough budget. In 
view of the problem, it is natural for the council members to pay great 
attention to the proposal by HQ on IFCSS-newsletter which carries a price tag of 
$18,000.

I do not have any reason against Mr Zhang Qingsong (who was voted down as the 
new editor of Newsletter in the 1st teleconference by council members) 
personally.  It is the principle of the fairness and openness that we have 
defended when the council voted down the proposal on the newsletter.  The 
proposal of the HQ was too crude and there was no way to have anyone held 
accountable based on such an immature proposal. It is therefore reasonable for 
many of our council members to hesitate in their castings. We need kind of real 
proof of the accountability, instead of some emotional reasons, before we make 
our decisions to approve anything, because we don't want the media system of 
IFCSS running without accountability. We don't want the Newsletter and 
Newsrelease be published in the same way as before forever! It's nice that some 
of our council members offered their own suggestions such as public bidding to 
the job. Anyone, including Mr Zhang Qingsong, will have a chance to prove his or 
her qualification under this kind of open and equal procedures. We feel sorry 
that the work of newsletter will be delayed and Mr Zhang Qingsong was not given 
an opportunity to prove himself because the HQ was not able to provide a better 
alternative to its original proposal.

Anyone could make mistakes.  I don't mind to stand corrected for what I did
in the council or anywhere else if the evidence convinces me.  However, we
as council representatives are not speaking for ourselves.  We are elected
by our constituents --- the grassroots CSS organizations.  It is they who
should be the final judge to what we do in the council.  Therefore, I
suggest that, before we charge on other council members for their actions,
why don't we present the whole case to the entire IFCSS community?  There
are many established channels such as CND, china-net, etc., where a debate
can be held and polls can be conducted.  Each of our council members can
also conduct polls in their regions.  I am prepared to post this issue to
the coordination net of the East Region where I was elected. Let's hear what our 
constituents have to say about the issue of IFCSS-newsletter and the handling by 
council.

That some bills were not passed in the 1st teleconference is neither accidental 
nor targeted at any personnel as implied by some people. It reveals the 
unsatisfaction of the majority of the council members and it is not a trival 
problem at all.  In fact, the IFCSS-newsletter controversy is only a small
reflection of a larger problem.  I further suggest that we present the whole
council debate on the various issues to the entire IFCSS community.  Let each
of us stand in front of the true judge of our action, instead of accusing each
other of wrong doings and dark motivations.  I think all of our council members
keep the sincere wishes in our minds and we truely hope that the HQ will try 
their best to work out a satisfactory solution to reform the journals. The new 
journals are expected to be closer to the local CSS and to better serve IFCSS, 
and for IFCSS to better serve the whole CSS community.

Thank you for reading this. Any comments or further discussions are very 
welcome!

                                         



                                           Sincerely yours,

                                            
                                           Qi, Bing (signed)
				
																																		         persident of Chinese Students &
						                                           Scolars Association of 
																																																	University of Rochester
																																											council member of the 5th IFCSS
																																											      of Eastern Region


================================================================================


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Qi, Bing

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             A little bit history on the IFCSS Newsletter


	I am glad to see the open letter from Qi Bing to the Council.
He has made some valuable points there. 

	At the same time, I would like to provide some information about
the history of the NL so that some misunderstanding can be cleared, I hope. 
Also, I would like to request Liqun to forward this message to the Council, 
especially to Qi Bing, if it is relevant.

	The formal circulation of the NL started in the 2nd term of the
IFCSS. Chen Ying of Cornell U was in charge of the NL. With the tight
financial situation of the IFCSS, the NL was only published largely as an 
internal communique free of charge; therefore, the readers of the NL were 
quite selective at the very beginning. They mainly were: IFCSS current 
officers, local CSS leaders, IFCSS Convention delegates, some leaders
of other organizations, "long" time IFCSS activists, some local students
who were randomly picked up one way or another, and so on. I believe that
the 2nd term NL had a circulation of about 300-400, with no external 
financial support at all.

	In the 3rd term, things changed a little bit. The IFCSS received 
some support from the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). A part of the
funding (~$12,000) is designated specifically for the NL. The editoral board
was charged to a group of CSS at Virginia Tech with me as the chief editor
(no payment for any labor). As this situation changed, the quality of the 
NL was significantly improved, and the readership was enhanced to about
1000 for the hard copies and about 800 for the email version. While keeping
the previous policy of readership, the editoral board did make a big effort
in reaching out for more ordinary CSS by running announcements on national 
networks several times asking for free subsription, which received rather 
impressive responses. However, due to the financial restriction, 1000 hard 
copies were the upper limit that the IFCSS could afford. Incidentally, the 
requests to subsribe the NL saturated at just about this number of 1000. We 
made all effort to include all those who requested, and made the email 
version available as a suplimentary measure to let more people have access 
to the NL. Because of the frequent changes of addresses of old readers, we 
made hundreds of calls to confirm or disconfirm the old readers, and all the 
addresses from which an NL was returned were taken out from the circulation
list. This was the only feasible way that we could think of then to avoid 
waste of the NL and to update the readership, which worked rather 
satisfactorily because about 90% of the readers of the 3rd term NL were new.

	The 4th term NL was under the charge of Wang Jianan (he was a major
worker for the 3rd term NL). This time, since he was the sole person taking
care of the job, and since the job was proven very time consuming, the HQ
paid him a half time salary. All other things stayed more or less the same
as the previous term -- about 1000/800 readers for the hard copy/email 
version. It should be mentioned that some local schools did re-distribute 
the NL as whole to local CSS, or excerpt some items from the NL in their local 
newsletters. However, considering the same financial and manpower difficulties 
a local school may have, it is not realistic to expect all schools to do the 
same.

	The financial and manpower reality is the fundamental factor that
restricted the enhancement of the NL circulation, plus that some CSS who 
received the NL did not make an effort at all to share it with others
(which I do not know whether can be called a problem or not, or how to solve 
the problem if it is one). This is probably the reason that many people do 
not know the existence of the IFCSS NL. However, as far as I know, the NL 
did reach almost ALL the major schools in the US in at least 48 states, 
including Alaska, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Dacodas, Mississippi, 
Alabama, Missouri, Maine, Vermont and so on, needless to say those more
"popular" states. Considering the fact that the IFCSS is only an umbrella of 
local CSS organizations rather than CSS individuals, I do not think it is  
a particularly bad record, thanks to the former Council members who helped 
provide local subscribers, although there is still room for improvement. As 
to the reaching-out-scales or influences of the NL on local campuses, I think 
it is rather beyond the control of the NL except that one may make it so 
attractive that one can't help letting others share it. However, I would like 
to provide this fact: the 3rd and the 4th term NL received a large number of 
letters from the readers with warm appreciations/comments/suggestions/
encouragements/criticism, which might be telling something about the influences
and necessity of this NL. At the same time, I share the feelings of those 
who are really concerned about the IFCSS but have not received the NL. I 
wish that the NL could reach as many "IFCSSers" as possible by cutting as 
many "non-IFCSSers" as possible.

	Finally, may I make a suggestion here? That is that each Council 
member contact as many local schools as possible to get their CSSA leaders or 
even just ordinary students on the NL circulation list. Sorry for this 
suggestion since it may mean additional burden on the Council, and I apologize 
to the NL editor, if there is one, for making such a suggestion that could 
mean a potential trouble for him.


						Anzhi Lai


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>From yuhe@cumulus.gcn.uoknor.edu  Wed Aug 25 09:48:06 1993
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Cc: ifcssvc@udcps3.cps.udayton.edu

Hi, Liqun:

     I forgot Qi Bing is out of town for weeks. Following is a reply to
Qi Bing's open letter. I'd like you to forward it to the council net.

     Thank you.

Yuhe

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>From root Tue Aug 24 13:38:47 1993
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 13:38:38 -0500
From: yuhe@cumulus.gcn.uoknor.edu (Yuhe Liu)
To: bgqi@medinfo.rochester.edu, yuhe@tornado.gcn.uoknor.edu
Subject: Re:  An open letter to the 5th council of IFCSS
Status: RO


Thank you, Qi Bing, for sending your open letter to me. You might have
seen my email about the Newsletter issues. For your reference, I am
attaching them in this email. I have seen some comments from IFCSSVC
net. Since I was not a wittness of the council meeting, I should not
make any judgements on it. But I believe that all council members tried
their best. As you already knew, I asked some of council member 
forwarded my comments before the 1st meeting on the HQ's annual budget
and some of proposed resolutions. Although I am out of the council, I'd
like to contribute my thoughts to the council. I noticed that you
mentioned none of CSS surrounding you has heard the IFCSS Newsletter. I
think it is possible. Up to now the NL has about 1,000 direct readers
throughout the US. Comparing to 100,000 CSS, only 1% may get it. As I
knew, the last term HQ tried very hard to "sell" the freely distributed
publication. The printed journals are mostly sent to those who or whose
schools have no email access. The NL email version is designed for
those who can receive Chinese from computer network. Besides, every NL
issue are stored in anonymous FTP site ifcss.org. The number 1,000
was only refered to printed copies. There are about additional 800 email
subers. I still have some copies of news release about the NL
distribution. If you are interested in it, I can send you the copy.

I have the same feeling that the 5th term HQ have not done very well on
the News Release. In the last term, based on my records, there were at
least 152 regular News Releases from the HQ, plus 19 Biweekly Reports
and 32 Special Reports. That means the 4th HQ did more than once releases
in two days. I cannot imagine how they did the hard work. Almost all the
releases came from Mr. Zhang Qingsong.

Let me back to the NL issue. I am not blaming the council's rejection of
the NL proposal. But from what I learnt, the council just simply
reject the proposal without any alternative plan and further action such
as let some work with the HQ to make a new system or temporarily have
someone in charge ont the NL, or give some limited financial support for
the coming NL issue. You know, the council usually have its regular
meeting in 3 months. You cannot do anything during the recession. There
is no perfect in the world. The NL system is not good, but it is there.
In my opinion, the best way is to keep the old system unless you have a
new better plan, so that could let things going.

If you like, you may forward my email to the council net, but please CUT
OFF those attached in the below.

By the way, if you are interested, I'd love to introduce you to the
IFCSSVC net.

Thanks. Take care.

Yuhe

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I have spent so much time just to sort this thing out. I still need to fill
in some detail numbers here and there.
What you need to do is to read through it carefully, especially the motions
you sponsored or seconded. For some motions, I didn't jot down the name of
seconder. So please let me know if you are. This can save me quite sometime
to go through the whole tapes again. (Can you imagen any one want to back to
those hours again ?) Also please check if there are any typo or missing
motions. By the rule, you can not change any word (even just beautify the
sentence) after you submitted it. But we have a lot changes sometime during
the meeting and also we don't have exact words of those emergency motions.
So please send me the correct version of the motions.
[All the final words need approve by the whole council.)

------------ draft of minutes --------------------
The first session of the 1st IFCSS council meeting started at 22:00 EDT
Saturday, August 14, 1993.  The attendants include:
council members .......
(invited participants, no voting rights:)
	Lin Changshen, President
	Shi Heping, Vice President
	Zhang Qingson, former Chief Secretary
			IFCSS Newsletter editor-in-chief nominee
	Huang Songyun, Chief Staff nominee
	Li Kening, Supervisary Committee member
	Gen Xiao, former President
	Luan Shusheng, ??? Working Committee Chair
	Liu Zhengdong, ??? Working Committee Volunteer
	Liu Chengyan, Chair of LCs Working Committee (not related to IFCSS)
This session lasted 5 and half hours and ended at 3:30 EDT Sunday, August 15,
1993.

The second session of the meeting startd at 20:00 EDT Saturday, August 21, 1993.
The attendants include:
council members ...
invited guest:
	Lin Changshen, Shi Heping, Huang Songyun, LiKening, 
	Luo Ninshi (SVC chair), Luan Shusheng, Liu Zhengdong, Liu Chengyan
This session lasted 5 and half hours and ended at 1:30 EDT Sunday, August 22,
1993.

In the meeting, we reviewed IFCSS HQ working plan, budget proposal and
personal nomination.
Also, resolutions related to HQ report, later commer and IFCSS scholarship
has been pasted.

The following is a brief of the meeting.

The meeting starts with the adoption of the Order of the conference.

Mr. Lin Changshen, President of IFCSS, first briefed the HQ working plan, 
Budget proposal and personal arrangement, followed by question and answers.

Mr. Shi Heping, Vice President of IFCSS, briefed the plan for student service 
projects, followed by question and answers.

Mr. Liu Chengyan, Chair of LCs Working Committee, was invited to give an
introduction of later arrival students' concern and their organization.

Ms. Shen Tong, Chair of council finance committee, reported on the research
about HQ budget proposal.

[many many event need to put here.....]

__________________
[ Voting Records ]
==================

	All motions are numbered as their orders appeared on the table.
	All princepal motions (numbered as CP5***) and amendments 
(numbered as CM5***) are listed.
	Other secondary motions are listed only they are necessary for legitimate 
reason, in this case they also are numbered as CM5***.
	Adopted princepal motions are then re-numbered as CR5***.

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I. The IFCSS Annual Budget:  Fiscal Year of 1993-1994

	proposed by IFCSS HQ

   A.   Revenue (Estimated)
     	Donation from Society                               $120,000
     	Student Service                                     $100,000
     	Grant from Foundations                               $30,000
     	Remaining Funds from Fiscal Year of 1992-1993        $69,500
     	============================================================
     	Total Revenue                                       $319,500
	
   B.   Expenditure
     	Operation Cost                  Monthly             Annually
 	(1) HQ Staff Compensation
     	Four Full Time Staff Members
     	and One Part Time Accountant    $2,000 X 4           $96,000
     	------------------------------------------------------------
     	Subtotal                                             $96,400
	
    (2) HQ Operating Cost
     a. Office Rent                                          $10,900
     b. Phone Bills                                          $15,000
     c. Mailing                                               $2,000
     d. Office Supply                                         $2,000
     e. Printing/Copying                                      $2,000
     f. Travel/Transportation                                $15,000 (*)
     h. Office Equipment                                      $3,000
     i. Miscellaneous                                         $5,000
     	------------------------------------------------------------
     	Subtotal                                             $54,900
	
    (3) Council (16 Members)
     	Tele-Conference                                       $4,000
     	Telephone Compensation                                $6,000
     	Miscellaneous                                         $1,000 ($)
     	------------------------------------------------------------
     	Subtotal                                             $11,000
	
    (4) Supervisory Committee (5 Members)
     	Tele-Conference                                         $800
     	Telephone Compensation                                $1,800
     	Miscellaneous                                           $200
     	------------------------------------------------------------
     	Subtotal                                              $2,800
	
    (5) Working Committees                                   $10,000
	
    (6) Newsletter                                           $18,000 (#)
	
    (7) Project Assistants                                   $36,000
	
    (8) Round-Table Meeting                                  $12,000
	
    (9) The 6th Congress                                     $60,000
	
     	============================================================
     	Total Expenditure                                  $300,700
	
    C.  Surplus                                               $18,800?

This budget proposal is approved except B.2.f and B.6.
(*,#) frozen
($) see CP
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I-1. Resolution on budget plan B.6	(CP5002)
	By ???/???

	Temperal freeze item B.6
rejected.
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I-2. Resolution on budget item plan B.7	(CP5003)
	by Ding Yungui/Zhou Hongguang

	Temperally freeze item B.7 until HQ submit a detail plan.
rejected.
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I-3. Resolution on budget item plan B.7	(CP5004)
	by Dong Chen/Wang Jing

	Pass item B.7 under the condition that HQ will supply a detail
plan later.
passed.
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I-4. The Resolution on the 4th term financial report (CP5005)

         Sponsored by  Financial committee,  Draft by Shen Tong

    Whereas the 4th term financial report was given in an incomplete form
and even after the 5th term budget was submitted to financial committee of
the council, the report is still an estimated number.

    Whereas since the Ifcss HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
responsibility to the members of the council and Ifcss and have the right
to know the finance of the Ifcss.

    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
report for last term and a list of Ifcss equipmaents.
rejected.
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I-5. Amendment to CP5002(CP5003 ?)	(CP5006)
	By Ren Songlin/Chen Dong

	????
rejected.
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I-6. The Resolution on Compensation for Members of Transition Team (CP5007)

         Sponsored by Finance Committee,  Draft by Zhou Hongguang

    Whereas new presidency and vice presidency have been elected on the
annual IFCSS congress, and the transition of the HQ administration has to
be made between the outgoing term and the new term;

    Whereas a transition team has to be set up to ensure the smooth
transfer of the HQ administration and there has no such a team exist;

    Whereas to ensure function of the transition team, the team has to be
consist of no fewer than two members from the outgoing term and no more
than two members from the new term;

    Whereas the members of the transition team have to be compensated for
their work and there is no such regualtions being set before; and

    Whereas the compensation for the team are as follows:
    outgoing term members to be paid no less than two(2) weeks new term
members to be paid more than two(2) weeks, starting as of the date of
report to the HQ, which should be within seven(7) days of the election, by
the new term members the compensation for the transition team should no
more than thirty(30) days.

    Therfore, be it resolved by the 1st 5th Council teleconference that
the transition team members be compensated as the above setforth.
rejected.
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I-7. The Resolution on the Raising of the Budget of the 5th Council (CP5008)

           Sponsored by  Financial Committee,  Draft by Bing Qi

    Whereas there are some unexpected issues that need to be discussed
within the council by teleconference and in some cases council members have
to go to D.C. to work with the HQ.

    Whereas the current budget of the council is limited.

    Be it solved:

    The miscellaneous part of the budget of the 5th council will be raised
from $1000 to $3000. To use this part of money needs the approval of the
majority of the council.
???.
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I-8. Amendament for the Ifcss Financial regulations (CP5009)

	Sponsored by  Financial Committee

    Article 1.  change "after he is elected as the president." to after
    he starts transition period.

    Article 5. change "after he is elected." to  after he starts
    transition period.

    Article 11. add (no less than two representatives) after "any
    aythorized agent of the council."

    Article 16 add  (include president,vice-president,treasurer,assistant
    treasurer...etc.any related person.) before "if is recommended by
    the council."
passed.
=============================================================================
II.	Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
	submitted by IFCSS HQ

                    Headquarters Office
                    -------------------

	          President:   Lin Changsheng  (full time)
	     Vice President:   Shi Heping      (temporary)
a.	 Executive Director:   Liu Xiaozhu     (full time)
b.	     Chief of Staff:   Huang Songyun   (full time)
c.	         Newsletter:   Zhang Qingsong  (part time)
d.	          Treasurer:   Jiang Zuihong   (part time)

                    Working Committees
                    ------------------

e.	   Human Rights Committee:                Xiao Qiang
f.	   Government Affairs Committee:          Liu Xiaozhu
g.	   Grassroots Organizations Committee:    Huang Songyun
h.	   Post Graduation Liaison Committee:     Deng Yuanpei
i.	   Fund Raising Committee:                Shi Heping
j.	   Theoretic Research Committee:          Wu Tao
k.	   IFCSS Newsletter Editor in Chief:      Zhang Qingsong
l.	   Chinese Community Information Center:  Ding Jian
m.	???					  Zhang Yalai

result: [will add later]
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II-1. Title ? (CP5010)
	Sponsored by Personnel Committee, drafted by Songlin Ren

The Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
recommended by Mr. Lin Changshen, the President
of 5th IFCSS, has been approved by Personnel
Committee of the 5th council.

[Is this a resolution ? Doesn't sound one to me.]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
II-2. Resolution	(CP5011)
	By Chen Dong/??
	
	Accroding to IFCSS Bylaw, a Working Committee exist until it's
explicitly dissolved by Congress or Council,
	Be it resolved,
	Dissolve all IFCSS Working Committees immediately before approve
any Working Committees.
rejected.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
II-3. Resolution	(CP5012)
	By Liu Chen

	Enforce HQ propose dissolving all Working Committees not going
to be sponsored by this term.
rejected.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
II-4. Resolution on Working Committee	(CP5013)
	By Ding Yungui/??

	Be it resolved,
	1. IFCSS HQ must supply a list of Working Committees which are
under consideration, and which are going to proposed.
	2. Council will vote on newly set up Working Committees.
passed
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
II-5. Motion	(CM5001)
	By Liu Chen

	Vote the HQ personal proposal item by item.
passed.
=============================================================================
III-1. Resolution on IFCSS related projects (CP5014)

             By Liang Er/Fan Hongran
	     Amended by Dong Chen, Ding Yungui

Whereas the council has been entitled the legal responsibility of IFCSS by the
IFCSS Charter,

Whereas there is no clear definition about project in IFCSS bylaw,

Be it resolved that:
1. IFCSS HQ shall not sign any project contracts prior to the ratification by
council or related council committee.
2. Council has the right to monitor and stop any working committees or on
going projects, except where prohibited by law.
3. IFCSS shall open all projects for public bidding.
passed.
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III-2. The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars (CP5014)
			Service Fundation

             Sponsored by Fan Hongran, Second by Dong Liqun

whereas with the still increasing large Chinese population in America, the
IFCSS, the only nation-wide Chinese Students and Scholars organization,
should take on the responsibility to better serve this social group in
addition to promote democracy in our homeland of China;

Whereas the IFCSS faces a fincial challenge for existence and the need of
more financil aid sources;

Whereas there are some technique difficulties for the IFCSS to make more
profit as a non-profit organization;

It is resovled that the IFCSS should establish a Chinese Students and
Scholars Service Fundation to unite and serve a larger population of other
groups, in the mean time, this Fundtion would response for fund raising
for the IFCSS;

It is further resovled the daily operation of this Fundation would not
under the direction of the IFCSS HQ or the IFCSS Council. This Fundation
would be run by the board of trustee which will be approved by the IFCSS
Council. The Fundation's income and donation would be transferred to the
IFCSS based on the contract in accordance with the standard procedure
which has been followed in the United States.
passed.
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III-3. The Resolution on IFCSS and the New-Comers' Organization (CP5015)

               Sponsored by Wang Jing, Seconded by  Zhang Feng
	       Amended by Dong Chen

        The situation under which New-Comers' Organization(NCO) established
has created an image of a splitting CSS community.

        Whereas IFCSS is to serve and represent the interestes of the whole
Chinese Scholars and Students (CSS) community,

        Whereas misunderstandings and lacking of communication have caused
problems between some late arriving CSS and other CSS,

        It is the responsibility of IFCSS to oversee this issue and solve
the related problems.

        Be it resolved:

        IFCSS initiate and keep contact with the NCO and show the
willingness of working with them for their interests.

        Be it further resolved:

        IFCSS provide services to NCO when feasible, which may include
equipmental support, information consulting and other kind of support for
specific projects that would benefit the CSS community.


        IFCSS should always have its gate open up eaqually to both the
early-arriving CSS and the late-arriving CSS in order to achieve its goal
of serving the complete CSS community in the US.
passed.
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III-4. The Resolution on the Later-Comers' concerns about (CP5016)
                         possible hurt because of CSPA

                     Sponsored by Wang Jing and Zhang Feng

     Whereas all the CSS community consider CSPA as a great achievement.

     Whereas in the process of CSPA writing, there is little attention
paid to those Fellow Chinese Students who came United States after April
11m, 1990.

    Whereas after CSPA Implementation began, interests conflict between Late
Arriving Dependents (LADs) and Late Arriving Students (LASs) become a bad
sign for both organization and CSS community.

    Be it  resolved:

     (1) Being an organization on behalf of the whole CSS, IFCSS HQ should
compose a comprehensive fact-based report on all the issues of CSPA as soon
as possible.

     (2) It's IFCSS's liability and obligation to provide fair opportunities
to the whole CSS community. If CSPA really hurt the interests of LASs after
some periods of CSPA Implementation, IFCSS HQ should show its favorites and
sympathy towards LASes on this interests conflict issue and work on reducing
any possible hurt.

     (3) IFCSS HQ should assign one person (one from 4 full time) as the
corordinator with NCO to minitor the latest CSPA situation, to keep all
CSS especially  Later-comers informed by up-date official information.
passed.
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III-5. Resolution on the Award Project (CP5017)

            By Ding Yungui/Zhang Feng 

Whereas the IFCSS Working Committee of Science and Technology, Culture, and
Education Exchange (the IFCSS WC in short hereafter) was authorized in the
last term to carry out a project that would award some college students in
China for their achievement in academical studies and sponsor some
activities
of student organizations on a competitive and selective basis (hereafter
refer to as the project);

Whereas the IFCSS WC was not able to carry out this project before the end
of the last term largely because of hard-to-control application process,
and thus the project has been carried over to the new term of the IFCSS;

Whereas the project is the first meaningful one of this type of the IFCSS in
its pursuit of educational and cultural exchange with China, and thus bears
a unique significance;

Whereas the exchange with China is the focus point of the new term and
educational exchange is a vital part of it, and the same award project will
be continued (upon the approval by the Council) in the current year;

Whereas the IFCSS WC has announced the winners of the awards and the amount
of the awards;

Be it resolved

1) That the award for twelve (12) students and funding for one (1)
   organizational activity selected by the IFCSS WC shall be honored by
IFCSS;

2) That each one of the award winners shall be awarded the promised $240.00,
   and the organizatoin $100, part of which ($1,800(*) in total) will come from
   the remaining balance of the last term and the rest ($1,180(+)) from external
   sources IFCSS shall go to;

3) That the IFCSS WC shall file a detailed report to the IFCSS headquarters
   on this project, including the rules of selection and all the application
   documents. These materials shall be permanently kept for future reference.

(*) The amount was changed from $2,000 to $1,800 by the suggestion of
Dong Liqun.
(+) Changed correspondingly.
passed.
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III-5.1. Amendment	(CA5001)
	By Ren Songlin

	Delete all detail amount of fund in section 2.

=============================================================================
IV. Motion to reconsider (CM5002)

	propose by Zhang Li
    
   Here I propose to RECONSIDER the motion regarding inspection
team to HQ lead by financial committee members,...
passed.
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IV-1. Resolution on Examinatin of the Financial  (CP5018)
	And Asset Situation of IFCSS HQ

Sponsored by Finance Committee
Draft by Zhou Hongguang

I. Basckground
    During the each transition of the HQ, there has been always discrepency
occured in the financial records of HQ. This year is again sees no
exception.
The financial report by the 4th term is incomplete and even after the 5th
term budget request has been was submitted to the Council's Finance
Committee and the repeated request by the Finance Committee of furnishing
update information, the report by the HQ is still full with
estimated fingures.

II. Objectives
Financial records
To compose fixed asset list
Workload evaluation
To gather Information for financial package regarding the operation of HQ

III. Efficiency analysis
Benefits that may reulted from such a site examination
Costs involved: travel and lodge expenses by the Finance Committee
Expected date of report to the Council

    Whereas since the Ifcss HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
responsibility to the members of the council and Ifcss and have the right
to know the finance of the Ifcss.
  
    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
report for last term and a list of Ifcss equipments.
passed.
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IV-2. Record to CP5003	(RC5001)
	by Ren Songlin

As request of Financial Committee of Council, I have examined
the duty and salary arrangement of the interface time between
4th and 5th HQ. According to the IFCSS regulation and duty
arrangement, the persons should have payment in the time
period are:

        4th HQ
        Gen Xiao,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)
        He Boping,
        half month salary (5 days on duty and 10 days vacation)
        Zhang QingSong,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)

        5th HQ
        Lin Changshen,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)
        Shi Heping,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)
        Liu Xiaozu,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)
        Jiang Zuihong,
        half month salary (on duty whole month, half payment)

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======================================================
                B5      B6      B7      CP5002  CP5003
Chen Dong       Y       Y       Y       N       A
Ding Yungui     N       A       A       A       A
Dong Liqun      Y       A       Y       Y       Y
Fan Hongran     Y       A       Y       A       A
Li Wenyan       -       -       -       -       -
Liang Er        Y       Y       Y       N       A
Liu Chen        Y       Y       Y       Y       A
Qi Bing         Y       A       A       Y       Y
Ren Songlin     Y       Y       Y       A       Y
Shao Qing       -       -       -       -       -
Shen Tong       Y       A       Y       Y       Y
Wang Jing       Y       A       Y       A       A
Xu Datong       Y       A       Y       Y       Y
Zhang Feng      Y       A       Y       Y       Y
Zhang Li        Y       A       Y       N       A
Zhou Hongguang  A       A       Y       Y       Y

HQ Budget plan
A       unanimous pass
B1      unanimous pass
B2      unanimous pass (with item travel frozen)
B3      unanimous pass
B4      unanimous pass
B5      12/3/1 pass
B6      4/12/0 reject
B7      12/4/0 pass     (with condition HQ supply detail list later)
B8      unanimous pass
B9      unanimous pass

CP (council proposed resolution)
CP500* (on the 4th term financial report, Shen Tong)
        3/8/5 reject
CP500* (on compensation for the members of transition team, Zhou Hongguang)
        7/9/0 reject

[record for second session will be add on later]

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From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Two Things
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Dear Council Colleagues,

I am glad to inform all of us that Ms. Shen Tong has decided to be in her
position as a council and the chairperson of Council's Finance Committee.
I passed the message of of councils' gentle words on her resignation and
asked her to reconsider it immediately after the teleconference. And she
also received many warm and encouraging e-mails and calls from our
councils and others in the recent days. She said she was very appreciated
fro our concerns and felt avery comfortable in the atmosphere of the
meeting and working with our councils. And she expressed her willingness
to work closely with all of us in the Council during our term.

She suggested each council to donate $10 or more for the deficit on the
Best Student Award project. I'd like to second her suggestion.

Best Regards,



Liqun Dong (signed)
Chairperson of the IFCSS Council




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>She suggested each council to donate $10 or more for the deficit on the
>Best Student Award project. I'd like to second her suggestion.

If IFCSS's name is not going to be used, I won't.
Sorry to say that, but hopefully you understand.
-D.C.

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I am glad that Shen Tong has decided to stay in the Council and the
position of Finance Comm Chair.  Let's work together in the Council
for a better IFCSS.

I will follow Shen Tong, and Dong Liqun, to donate to the award
project.

Yungui Ding

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II-4. Resolution on Working Committee   (CP5013)
        By Ding Yungui/Liu Chen
 
        Be it resolved,
        1. that the IFCSS HQ must supply a list of last year's Working
Committees (WC's) which are under consideration and which are to be dissolved
for the Council's approval, otherwise all those WC's shall still exist by
default according to the by-law;                   
        2. that the Council will examine and vote on newly set up Working    
Committees before discussing the nominations.                                
                                                                             
passed                                                                       
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Resolution on Award

Qi Bing had an amendament which I absorbed into my original.
Could be added to the first item:

The name of IFCSS shall be acknowledged together with other donating
organizations.







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>She suggested each council to donate $10 or more for the deficit on the
>Best Student Award project. I'd like to second her suggestion.

>If IFCSS's name is not going to be used, I won't.
>Sorry to say that, but hopefully you understand.
>-D.C.

I agree. If using IFCSS name, I will donate $20. Please send the copies
of the letter of the scholarship to every council member.

Songlin

 


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Chen Dong,

The following are comments on the record you sent to council-l net:

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I-1. Resolutioon on Budget plan B.6
      By 
      Temporarily freeze item B.7
rejected
-------------

Was this one really REJECTED?  I remember it was passed.  Please check
it again.  This is the item of Newsletter.

*****************
II-2 Resolution (CP5011)
     by Chen Dong/??
     ...

I remeber it was Ren Songlin who seconded.



******************
II-3 Resolution (CP5012)
     by Liu Chen ??

     This motion was seconded by ?


******************
After II-5.

I had two motions:

1. Amendament to the Personnel Committee's resolution:

    For the proposed Grass Rooot Working Committee, the Council need
    to approve its establishment before its chair nomination. 
    
    The Personnel Committee did not propose separate resolution on the
    new working committee's establishment, the Council shall be considering
    and voting both the working committee and its chair nomination in
    one step.

Passed.


Sorry, the above amendament was accepted by the original resolution
proposer Ren Songlin.  (therefore not put to vote).


1. motion:
   Voting not needed for Humanitarian Assistance Committee

   whereas a working committee is not dissolved until the Congress
   or the Council has determined so, or the President proposes and
   the Council approved so;
   
   whereas the chair of the working committee is not dismissed until
   the President proposes and the Council approves so;
 
   Whereas the Humanitarian Assistance Working Committee and its
   chairperson, Mr. Zhang Yalai, have not been dissolved/dismissed,

   be it resolved,

   that the Humanitarian Assistance Working Committee and its
   chairperson keep unchanged, and there is no need to vote on
   the President's proposal about them.

Passed  

It was seconded by Chen Dong.

-----------------------

That is for now.


Yungui Ding

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Liqun,
	What is the official title for Luo Lishi ? Chair or Coordinator ?
	Could you add a little more detail about the meeting brief ?
	1. A resolution promised by Finance Committee, to be drafted by
	   Zhang Feng during the first session after we froze the
	   newsletter, was not presented and discussed later.
	2. Ren Songlin's record (IV-5, CM5007) was pasted, but the
	   resolution to be attached to CP5008 was killed during the first
	   session and not voted in second session.
	3. I don't know CP5003 should been called secondary motion (thus
	   named under CM50**) or a main (then should be adopted as
	   resolution (CR50**). It doesn't read like a main to me.
	   Also, I couldn't find out who's the sponsor. (I have listened
	   back the tape, but :-<

Other council members, 
	Please check to see if there's any error.
	Especially your motions and records !!!
	??? Who is the sponsor of I-2 and II-3 ???

================================================
	Minute of First Council Teleconference


The first session of the 1st IFCSS council regular teleconference started at 
22:00 EDT Saturday, August 14, 1993. The attendants include:
IFCSS Council members:
	Chen Dong, Ding Yungui, Dong Liqun, Fan Hongran, Liang Er,
	Liu Chen, Qi Bing, Ren Songlin, Shen Tong, Wang Jing, 
	Xu Datong, Zhang Feng, Zhang Li, Zhou Hongguang
	[Shao Qing was back in China.]
(invited participants, no voting rights:)
	Lin Changshen, 	IFCSS President
	Shi Heping, 	IFCSS Vice President
	Zhang Qingsong, 	former IFCSS Executive Director
			IFCSS Newsletter editor-in-chief nominee
	Huang Songyun, 	IFCSS Chief of Staff nominee
	Li Kening, 	IFCSS Supervisory Committee member
	Gen Xiao, 	former IFCSS President
	Luan Shusheng, 	chair, IFCSS Committee on Scientific, Culture 
			and Educational Exchange with China
	Liu Zhengdong,	Volunteer, IFCSS Committee on Scientific, 
			Culture and Educational Exchange with China
	Liu Chengyan, 	Chair, LCs Working Committee (not related to IFCSS)
This session lasted 5 and half hours and ended at 3:30 EDT Sunday, August 15,
1993.

The second session of the teleconference started at 20:00 EDT Saturday,
August 21, 1993.
The attendants include:
IFCSS Council members:
	Chen Dong, Ding Yungui, Dong Liqun, Fan Hongran, Liang Er,
	Liu Chen, Qi Bing, Ren Songlin, Shao Qing, Shen Tong, 
	Wang Jing, Xu Datong, Zhang Feng, Zhou Hongguang
	[Zhang Li was in another meeting.]
invited guest:
	Lin Changshen, Shi Heping, Huang Songyun, Li Kening, 
	Luo Lishi (IFCSS SVC chair), Luan Shusheng, Liu Zhengdong, 
	Liu Chengyan
This session lasted 5 and half hours and ended at 1:30 EDT Sunday, August 22,
1993.

During the meeting, IFCSS HQ working plan, budget proposal and personal
nomination were reviewed.
Resolutions related to HQ report, later commer and IFCSS scholarship
have been discussed.

The following is a brief of the meeting.

1. The meeting starts with the adoption of the Order of the conference.

2. Mr. Lin Changshen, President of IFCSS, first briefed the HQ working plan, 
Budget proposal and personal arrangement, followed by question and answers.

3. Mr. Shi Heping, Vice President of IFCSS, briefed the plan for student 
service projects, followed by question and answers.

4. Mr. Liu Chengyan was invited to give an introduction of later arrival 
students' concern and the operation of their organization.

5. Ms. Shen Tong, Chair of council finance committee, reported on the research
about HQ budget proposal.

6. The HQ proposed budget plan has been approved by the Council (see voting
record).

7. Two resolutions on IFCSS finance plan proposed by Council Finance
Committee were discussed.

[The first session adjourned]

8. IFCSS HQ proposed personal arrangement were approved (see voting
record).

9. Resolutions sponsored by Council Personal Committee were discussed.

10. Resolutions sponsored by Council members on IFCSS project, establishing
Service Foundation, lated arrival Chinese students, IFCSS scholarship
were discussed.

11. Finance related resolutions were discussed.

12. Free speech.


__________________
[ Voting Records ]
==================

	All motions are numbered as their orders appeared on the table.
	All principal motions (numbered as CP5***) and amendments 
(numbered as CM5***) are listed.
	Other secondary motions are listed only when they are necessary
for legitimate reason, they also are numbered as CM5***.
	Adopted principal motions are then become official resolutions
and re-numbered as CR5***.

=============================================================================
I. The IFCSS Annual Budget:  Fiscal Year of 1993-1994

	proposed by IFCSS HQ

   A.   Revenue (Estimated)
     	Donation from Society                               $120,000
     	Student Service                                     $100,000
     	Grant from Foundations                               $30,000
     	Remaining Funds from Fiscal Year of 1992-1993        $69,500
     	============================================================
     	Total Revenue                                       $319,500
	
   B.   Expenditure
     	Operation Cost                  Monthly             Annually
 	(1) HQ Staff Compensation
     	Four Full Time Staff Members
     	and One Part Time Accountant    $2,000 X 4           $96,000
     	------------------------------------------------------------
     	Subtotal                                             $96,400
	
    (2) HQ Operating Cost
     a. Office Rent                                          $10,900
     b. Phone Bills                                          $15,000
     c. Mailing                                               $2,000
     d. Office Supply                                         $2,000
     e. Printing/Copying                                      $2,000
     f. Travel/Transportation                                $15,000 (*)
     h. Office Equipment                                      $3,000
     j. Miscellaneous                                         $5,000
     	------------------------------------------------------------
     	Subtotal                                             $54,900
	
    (3) Council (16 Members)
     	Tele-Conference                                       $4,000
     	Telephone Compensation                                $6,000
     	Miscellaneous                                         $1,000 ($)
     	------------------------------------------------------------
     	Subtotal                                             $11,000
	
    (4) Supervisory Committee (5 Members)
     	Tele-Conference                                         $800
     	Telephone Compensation                                $1,800
     	Miscellaneous                                           $200
     	------------------------------------------------------------
     	Subtotal                                              $2,800
	
    (5) Working Committees                                   $10,000
	
    (6) Newsletter                                           $18,000 (#)
	
    (7) Project Assistants                                   $36,000
	
    (8) Round-Table Meeting                                  $12,000
	
    (9) The 6th Congress                                     $60,000
	
     	============================================================
     	Total Expenditure                                  $300,700
	
    C.  Surplus                                               $18,800?

[Note: This budget proposal is approved except B.2.f, B.3 and B.6.
       (*) frozen, ref. I-2(CP5002)
       ($) changed, see IV-1(CP5018)
       (#) un-approved, ref. voting record I.B.6 ]
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I-1. Motion	
(CM5001)	by Shen Tong

	Review the budget plan item by item.
[Note: CM5001 was adopted through unanimous consent.]
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I-2. Resolution on budget plan B.5
(CP5002) 	by ???/???

	Temporarily freeze item B.2.f
[Note: CP5002 was adopted through unanimous consent.]
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I-3. Resolution on budget plan B.5
(CP5003)	by Zhou Hongguang/Ding Yungui

	Temporarily freeze item B.5

[Note: CP5003 was rejected with 3 Yeah, 7 Abstains, 4 Nay, 2 absent]
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I-4. Resolution on budget plan B.6	
(CP5004)	by Shen Tong/Zhou Hongguang

	Temporarily freeze item B.6

[Note: CP5004 was rejected with 7 Yeah, 1 Abstains, 6 Nay, 2 absent]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I-5. Resolution on budget item plan B.7	
(CP5005)	by Ding Yungui/Zhou Hongguang

	Temporally freeze item B.7 until HQ submit a detail plan.

[Note: CP5005 was rejected with 7 Yeah, 1 Abstains, 4 Nay, 2 absent]
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I-6. Resolution on budget item plan B.7	
(CP5006)	by Dong Chen/Wang Jing

	Be it resolved:
	1. Pass item B.7,
	2. HQ shall supply a detail project list later.

[Note: CP5006 was adopted as CR5002 
       with 12 Yeah, 2 Abstains, 0 Nay, 2 absent]
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I-7. The Resolution on the 4th term financial report 
(CP5007)	by  Financial committee,  Drafted by Shen Tong

    Whereas the 4th term financial report was given in an incomplete form
and even after the 5th term budget was submitted to financial committee of
the council, the report is still an estimated number.

    Whereas since the IFCSS HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
responsibility to the members of the council and IFCSS and have the right
to know the finance of the IFCSS.

    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
report for last term and a list of IFCSS equipments.

[Note: CP5007 was rejected with 7 Yeah, 5 Abstains, 3 Nay, 2 absent]
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I-8. Amendment to CP5006	
(CM5002)	by Ren Songlin

	Change to "A local third party will go to HQ ..."

[Note: CM5002 was rejected with 3 Yeah, 7 Abstains, 4 Nay, 2 absent]
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I-9. The Resolution on Compensation for Members of Transition Team 
(CP5008)	by Finance Committee,  Drafted by Zhou Hongguang

    Whereas new presidency and vice presidency have been elected on the
annual IFCSS congress, and the transition of the HQ administration has to
be made between the outgoing term and the new term;

    Whereas a transition team has to be set up to ensure the smooth
transfer of the HQ administration and there has no such a team exist;

    Whereas to ensure function of the transition team, the team has to be
consist of no fewer than two members from the outgoing term and no more
than two members from the new term;

    Whereas the members of the transition team have to be compensated for
their work and there is no such regulations being set before; and

    Whereas the compensation for the team are as follows:
    outgoing term members to be paid no less than two(2) weeks new term
members to be paid more than two(2) weeks, starting as of the date of
report to the HQ, which should be within seven(7) days of the election, by
the new term members the compensation for the transition team should no
more than thirty(30) days.

    Therefore, be it resolved by the 1st 5th Council teleconference that
the transition team members be compensated as the above setforth.

[Note: CP5008 was rejected with 7 Yeah, 7 Abstains, 0 Nay, 2 absent]
=============================================================================
II.	Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
	submitted by IFCSS HQ

                    Headquarters Office
                    -------------------

	          President:   Lin Changshen  (full time)
	     Vice President:   Shi Heping      (temporary)
a.	 Executive Director:   Liu Xiaozhu     (full time)
b.	     Chief of Staff:   Huang Songyun   (full time)
c.	         Newsletter:   Zhang Qingsong  (part time) (*)
d.	          Treasurer:   Jiang Zuihong   (part time)

                    Working Committees
                    ------------------

e.	   Human Rights Committee:                Xiao Qiang
f.	   Government Affairs Committee:          Liu Xiaozhu
g.	   Grassroots Organizations Committee:    Huang Songyun
h.	   Post Graduation Liaison Committee:     Deng Yuanpei
j.	   Fund Raising Committee:                Shi Heping
k.	   Theoretic Research Committee:          Wu Tao
l.	   IFCSS Newsletter Editor in Chief:      Zhang Qingsong ($)
m.	   Chinese Community Information Center:  Ding Jian
n.	   Humanitarian Assistant Committee:	  Zhang Yalai

[Note: personal arrangement is approved except II.c and II.l.
       (*, $) un-approved, ref. voting record II.c, II.l ]
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II-1. Resolution 
(CP5009)	by Personnel Committee, drafted by Songlin Ren

The Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
recommended by Mr. Lin Changshen, the President
of 5th IFCSS, has been approved by Personnel
Committee of the 5th council.

[Note: see CP5002]
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
II-2. Resolution	
(CP5010)	by Chen Dong/Ren Songlin
	
	According to IFCSS Bylaw, a Working Committee exist until it's
explicitly dissolved by Congress or Council,
	Be it resolved,
	Dissolve all IFCSS Working Committees immediately before approve
any Working Committees.

[Note: CP5010 was rejected with 2 Yeah, 7 Abstains, 5 Nay, 2 absent]
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II-3. Resolution	
(CP5011)	by Liu Chen/???

	Enforce HQ propose dissolving all Working Committees not going
to be sponsored by this term.

[Note: CP5011 was rejected with 7 Yeah, 5 Abstains, 2 Nay, 2 absent]
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
II-4. Resolution on Working Committee	
(CP5012)	by Ding Yungui/Liu Chen

        Be it resolved,
        1. that the IFCSS HQ must supply a list of last year's Working
Committees (WC's) which are under consideration and which are to be dissolved
for the Council's approval, otherwise all those WC's shall still exist by
default according to the by-law;                   
        2. that the Council will examine and vote on newly set up Working    
Committees before discussing the nominations.                                

[Note: Resolution CP5012 was adopted as CR5003 through unanimous consent.]
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II-5. Motion	
(CM5003)	by Liu Chen

	Vote the HQ personal proposal item by item.

[Note: CM5003 was adopted with 8 Yeah, 1 Abstain, 5 Nay, 2 absent]
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
II-6. Motion	
(CM5004)	by Ding Yungui

	The Humanitarian Assistant Working Committee has already been
set up, its chairperson will remain the same by IFCSS bylaw, therefor
no voting is needed for this item.

[Note: CM5004 was adopted with 10 Yeah, 2 Abstain, 2 Nay, 2 absent]
=============================================================================
III-1. Resolution on IFCSS related projects 
(CP5013)	by Liang Er/Chen Dong

Whereas the council has been entitled the legal responsibility of IFCSS by the
IFCSS Charter,

Whereas there is no clear definition about project in IFCSS bylaw,

Be it resolved that:

1. IFCSS HQ shall not sign any project contracts prior to the ratification by
council or related council committee.
2. Council has the right to monitor and stop any working committees or on
going projects, except where prohibited by law.
3. IFCSS shall open all projects for public bidding.

[Note: CP5013 was adopted as CR5004 through unanimous consent.]
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III-2. The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars 
			Service Foundation
(CP5014)	by Fan Hongran/Dong Liqun

whereas with the still increasing large Chinese population in America, the
IFCSS, the only nation-wide Chinese Students and Scholars organization,
should take on the responsibility to better serve this social group in
addition to promote democracy in our homeland of China;

Whereas the IFCSS faces a financial challenge for existence and the need of
more financial aid sources;

Whereas there are some technique difficulties for the IFCSS to make more
profit as a non-profit organization;

It is resolved that the IFCSS should establish a Chinese Students and
Scholars Service Foundation to unite and serve a larger population of other
groups, in the mean time, this Function would response for fund raising
for the IFCSS;

It is further resolved the daily operation of this Foundation would not
under the direction of the IFCSS HQ or the IFCSS Council. This Foundation
would be run by the board of trustee which will be approved by the IFCSS
Council. The Foundation's income and donation would be transferred to the
IFCSS based on the contract in accordance with the standard procedure
which has been followed in the United States.

[Note: CP5014 was adopted as CR5005 through unanimous consent.]
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III-3. The Resolution on IFCSS and the New-Comers' Organization 
(CP5015)	by Wang Jing/Zhang Feng

        The situation under which New-Comers' Organization(NCO) established
has created an image of a splitting CSS community.

        Whereas IFCSS is to serve and represent the interests of the whole
Chinese Scholars and Students (CSS) community,

        Whereas misunderstandings and lacking of communication have caused
problems between some late arriving CSS and other CSS,

        It is the responsibility of IFCSS to oversee this issue and solve
the related problems.

        Be it resolved:

        IFCSS initiate and keep contact with the NCO and show the
willingness of working with them for their interests.

        Be it further resolved:

        IFCSS provide services to NCO when feasible, which may include
equipmental support, information consulting and other kind of support for
specific projects that would benefit the CSS community.


        IFCSS should always have its gate open up equally to both the
early-arriving CSS and the late-arriving CSS in order to achieve its goal
of serving the complete CSS community in the US.

[Note: CP5015 was adopted as CR5006 through unanimous consent.]
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III-4. The Resolution on the Later-Comers' concerns about 
                         possible hurt because of CSPA
(CP5016)	by Wang Jing/Zhang Feng

     Whereas all the CSS community consider CSPA as a great achievement.

     Whereas in the process of CSPA writing, there is little attention
paid to those Fellow Chinese Students who came United States after April
11m, 1990.

    Whereas after CSPA Implementation began, interests conflict between Late
Arriving Dependents (LADs) and Late Arriving Students (LASs) become a bad
sign for both organization and CSS community.

    Be it  resolved:

     (1) Being an organization on behalf of the whole CSS, IFCSS HQ should
compose a comprehensive fact-based report on all the issues of CSPA as soon
as possible.

     (2) It's IFCSS's liability and obligation to provide fair opportunities
to the whole CSS community. If CSPA really hurt the interests of LASs after
some periods of CSPA Implementation, IFCSS HQ should show its favorites and
sympathy towards LASs on this interests conflict issue and work on reducing
any possible hurt.

     (3) IFCSS HQ should assign one person (one from 4 full time) as the
coordinator with NCO to monitor the latest CSPA situation, to keep all
CSS especially  Later-comers informed by up-date official information.

[Note: CP5016 was adopted as CR5007 through unanimous consent.]
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III-5. Resolution on the Award Project 
(CP5017)	by Ding Yungui/Zhang Feng 

Whereas the IFCSS Working Committee of Science and Technology, Culture, and
Education Exchange (the IFCSS WC in short hereafter) was authorized in the
last term to carry out a project that would award some college students in
China for their achievement in academical studies and sponsor some
activities
of student organizations on a competitive and selective basis (hereafter
refer to as the project);

Whereas the IFCSS WC was not able to carry out this project before the end
of the last term largely because of hard-to-control application process,
and thus the project has been carried over to the new term of the IFCSS;

Whereas the project is the first meaningful one of this type of the IFCSS in
its pursuit of educational and cultural exchange with China, and thus bears
a unique significance;

Whereas the exchange with China is the focus point of the new term and
educational exchange is a vital part of it, and the same award project will
be continued (upon the approval by the Council) in the current year;

Whereas the IFCSS WC has announced the winners of the awards and the amount
of the awards;

Be it resolved

1) That the award for twelve (12) students and funding for one (1)
   organizational activity selected by the IFCSS WC shall be honored by
IFCSS, the name of IFCSS shall be acknowledged together with other donating
organizations.

2) That each one of the award winners shall be awarded the promised $240.00,
   and the organization $100, part of which ($1,800(*) in total) will come from
   the remaining balance of the last term and the rest ($1,180(+)) from external
   sources IFCSS shall go to;

3) That the IFCSS WC shall file a detailed report to the IFCSS headquarters
   on this project, including the rules of selection and all the application
   documents. These materials shall be permanently kept for future reference.

(*) The amount was changed from $2,000 to $1,800 by the suggestion of
Dong Liqun.
(+) Changed correspondingly.
passed.

[Note: CP5017 was adopted as CR5008 
       with 10 Yeah, 1 Abstain, 2 Nay 3 absent.]
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III-5.1. Amendment
(CM5005)	by Ren Songlin

	Delete all detail amount of fund in section 2.

[Note: CM5005 was rejected with 4 Yeah, 8 Abstain, 1 Nay, 3 absent]
=============================================================================
IV-1. The Resolution on the Raising of the Budget of the 5th Council 
(CP5018)	by  Financial Committee

    Whereas there are some unexpected issues that need to be discussed
within the council by teleconference and in some cases council members have
to go to D.C. to work with the HQ.

    Whereas the current budget of the council is limited.

    Be it solved:

    The miscellaneous part of the budget of the 5th council will be raised
from $1000 to $3000. To use this part of money needs the approval of the
majority of the council.

[Note: CP5018 was adopted as CR5009 through unanimous consent.]
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IV-2. Amendment for the IFCSS Financial regulations 
(CP5019)	by  Financial Committee

    Article 1.  change "after he is elected as the president." to after
    he starts transition period.

    Article 5. change "after he is elected." to  after he starts
    transition period.

    Article 11. add (no less than two representatives) after "any
    authorized agent of the council."

    Article 16 add  (include president,vice-president,treasurer,assistant
    treasurer...etc.any related person.) before "if is recommended by
    the council."

[Note: CP5019 was adopted as CR5010 through unanimous consent.]
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IV-3. Motion to reconsider
(CM5006)	by Zhang Li
    
   Here I propose to RECONSIDER the motion regarding inspection
team to HQ lead by financial committee members,...

[Note: CM5006 was adopted through unanimous consent.]
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IV-4. Resolution on Examination of the Financial and Asset Situation of IFCSS HQ
(CP5020)	by Finance Committee, drafted by Zhou Hongguang

I. Background
    During the each transition of the HQ, there has been always discrepancy
occurred in the financial records of HQ. This year is again sees no
exception.
The financial report by the 4th term is incomplete and even after the 5th
term budget request has been was submitted to the Council's Finance
Committee and the repeated request by the Finance Committee of furnishing
update information, the report by the HQ is still full with
estimated figures.

II. Objectives
Financial records
To compose fixed asset list
Workload evaluation
To gather Information for financial package regarding the operation of HQ

III. Efficiency analysis
Benefits that may resulted from such a site examination
Costs involved: travel and lodge expenses by the Finance Committee
Expected date of report to the Council

    Whereas since the IFCSS HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
responsibility to the members of the council and IFCSS and have the right
to know the finance of the IFCSS.
  
    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
report for last term and a list of IFCSS equipments.

[Note: CP5020 was adopted as CR5011 through unanimous consent.]
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IV-5. Record to CP5003	
(CM5007)	by Ren Songlin

As request of Financial Committee of Council, I have examined
the duty and salary arrangement of the interface time between
4th and 5th HQ. According to the IFCSS regulation and duty
arrangement, the persons should have payment in the time
period are:

        4th HQ
        Gen Xiao,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)
        He Boping,
        half month salary (5 days on duty and 10 days vacation)
        Zhang Qingsong,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)

        5th HQ
        Lin Changshen,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)
        Shi Heping,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)
        Liu Xiaozhu,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)
        Jiang Zuihong,
        half month salary (on duty whole month, half payment)
[Note: Record CM5007 was approved through unanimous consent.]

======================================================
		CP5003	I.B.5	CP5004	I.B.6	CP5005	CP5006	CM5002
Chen Dong	N	Y	N	Y	N	Y	Y
Ding Yungui     Y	N	Y	A	Y	A	A
Dong Liqun      A	Y	Y	A	N	Y	N
Fan Hongran     N	Y	N	A	N	Y	A
Li Wenyan       -       -       -       -       -	-	-
Liang Er        N	Y	N	Y	N	Y	A
Liu Chen        A	Y	N	Y	N	Y	N
Qi Bing         Y	Y	Y	A	Y	A	A
Ren Songlin     N	Y	N	Y	N	Y	Y
Shao Qing       -       -       -       -       -	-	-
Shen Tong       A	Y	Y	A	N	Y	N
Wang Jing       A	Y	N	A	A	Y	A
Xu Datong       A	Y	A	A	N	Y	A
Zhang Feng      A	Y	Y	A	A	Y	Y
Zhang Li        A	Y	Y	A	N	Y	N
Zhou Hongguang  Y	A	Y	A	Y	Y	A
--------------------------------------------------
		CP5007	CP5008	CP5010	CP5011	CM5003	CM5004
Chen Dong	N	A	Y	N	N	Y
Ding Yungui     A	A	N	Y	Y	Y	
Dong Liqun      Y	Y	A	Y	Y	Y
Fan Hongran     A	A	A	Y	Y	A
Li Wenyan       -       -       -       -       -	-
Liang Er        N	A	A	A	A	Y
Liu Chen        Y	A	N	Y	Y	Y
Qi Bing         Y	Y	N	Y	Y	Y
Ren Songlin     A	Y	Y	A	N	A
Shao Qing       -       -       N	N	N	N
Shen Tong       Y	Y	A	A	Y	Y
Wang Jing       A	A	A	Y	N	N
Xu Datong       Y	Y	A	A	N	Y
Zhang Feng      Y	Y	N	Y	Y	Y
Zhang Li        N	A	-       -       -	-
Zhou Hongguang  Y	Y	A	A	Y	Y
--------------------------------------------------
		II.a	II.b	II.c	II.d	II.k	II.l
Chen Dong	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Ding Yungui     A	Y	A	A	A	A
Dong Liqun      Y	Y	A	A	Y	A
Fan Hongran     Y	Y	A	Y	Y	A
Li Wenyan       -       -       -       -       -	-
Liang Er        Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Liu Chen        A	Y	A	A	Y	A
Qi Bing         A	A	A	A	A	A
Ren Songlin     Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Shao Qing       Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Shen Tong       Y	Y	A	Y	Y	A
Wang Jing       Y	Y	A	Y	Y	A
Xu Datong       Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Zhang Feng      Y	Y	Y	A	Y	Y
Zhang Li        -	-	-       -       -	-
Zhou Hongguang  Y	Y	A	A	Y	Y
[Note: II.e, II.f, II.g, II.h, II.j, II.m were passed through unanimous
       consent. For II.n, see CM5004]
--------------------------------------------------
		CM5005	CP5017	CP5020
Chen Dong	Y	N	A
Ding Yungui     N	Y	Y
Dong Liqun      A	Y	Y
Fan Hongran     A	Y	Y
Li Wenyan       -       -       -
Liang Er        -	-	-
Liu Chen        A	Y	Y
Qi Bing         A	Y	Y
Ren Songlin     Y	N	A
Shao Qing       A	A	A
Shen Tong       Y	Y	Y
Wang Jing       A	Y	Y
Xu Datong       Y	Y	A
Zhang Feng      A	Y	Y
Zhang Li        -	-	-
Zhou Hongguang  A	Y	Y

Dong Chen
(signed)
Secretary
IFCSS Council


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> 	1. A resolution promised by Finance Committee, to be drafted by
> 	   Zhang Feng during the first session after we froze the
> 	   newsletter, was not presented and discussed later.

Because we voted to reject the newsletter proposal later, it needed not to
presented for discuss at that moment.

> 	2. Ren Songlin's record (IV-5, CM5007) was pasted, 

Songlin's record (IV-5, CM5007) needs not to be voted, I did not call vote
for a this record. So we cannot say it is passed ot not.

>          but the resolution to be attached to CP5008 was killed during
>          the first session and not voted in second session.

CP5008 was moved to reconsider first before Songlin's record was put on
the floor. An amended version by finance committee (Zhou Hongguang has
posted its wording on Sunday or Monday, as I remember.) The amended
version which was added an item related to personnel record was accepted
as unanimous consent.

> ================================================
> 	Minute of First Council Teleconference
> 
> 
> The first session of the 1st IFCSS council regular teleconference started at 
> 22:00 EDT Saturday, August 14, 1993. The attendants include:
> IFCSS Council members:
> 	Chen Dong, Ding Yungui, Dong Liqun, Fan Hongran, Liang Er,
> 	Liu Chen, Qi Bing, Ren Songlin, Shen Tong, Wang Jing, 
> 	Xu Datong, Zhang Feng, Zhang Li, Zhou Hongguang
> 	[Shao Qing was back in China.]

        Li Wenyan was absent as unknown reason.

> (invited participants, no voting rights:)
> 	Lin Changshen, 	IFCSS President
> 	Shi Heping, 	IFCSS Vice President
> 	Zhang Qingsong, 	former IFCSS Executive Director
> 			IFCSS Newsletter editor-in-chief nominee
> 	Huang Songyun, 	IFCSS Chief of Staff nominee
> 	Li Kening, 	IFCSS Supervisory Committee member
> 	Gen Xiao, 	former IFCSS President
> 	Luan Shusheng, 	chair, IFCSS Committee on Scientific, Culture 
> 			and Educational Exchange with China
> 	Liu Zhengdong,	Volunteer, IFCSS Committee on Scientific, 
> 			Culture and Educational Exchange with China
> 	Liu Chengyan, 	Chair, LCs Working Committee (not related to IFCSS)
> This session lasted 5 and half hours and ended at 3:30 EDT Sunday, August 15,
> 1993.
> 
> The second session of the teleconference started at 20:00 EDT Saturday,
> August 21, 1993.
> The attendants include:
> IFCSS Council members:
> 	Chen Dong, Ding Yungui, Dong Liqun, Fan Hongran, Liang Er,
> 	Liu Chen, Qi Bing, Ren Songlin, Shao Qing, Shen Tong, 
> 	Wang Jing, Xu Datong, Zhang Feng, Zhou Hongguang
> 	[Zhang Li was in another meeting.]

        Li Wenyan was absent as unknown reason.

> invited guest:
> 	Lin Changshen, Shi Heping, Huang Songyun, Li Kening, 
> 	Luo Lishi (IFCSS SVC coordinator), Luan Shusheng, Liu Zhengdong, 
> 	Liu Chengyan
> This session lasted 5 and half hours and ended at 1:30 EDT Sunday, August 22,
> 1993.
> 
> During the meeting, IFCSS HQ working plan, budget proposal and personal
> nomination were reviewed.
> Resolutions related to HQ report, later commer and IFCSS scholarship
> have been discussed.
> 

> II-3. Resolution	
> (CP5011)	by Liu Chen/???

I think it is Qi Bing.

> 
> 	Enforce HQ propose dissolving all Working Committees not going
> to be sponsored by this term.
> 
> [Note: CP5011 was rejected with 7 Yeah, 5 Abstains, 2 Nay, 2 absent]

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> II-5. Motion	
> (CM5003)	by Liu Chen
> 
> 	Vote the HQ personal proposal item by item.
> 
> [Note: CM5003 was adopted with 8 Yeah, 1 Abstain, 5 Nay, 2 absent]
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> II-6. Motion	
> (CM5004)	by Ding Yungui
> 
> 	The Humanitarian Assistant Working Committee has already been
> set up, its chairperson will remain the same by IFCSS bylaw, therefor
> no voting is needed for this item.
> 
> [Note: CM5004 was adopted with 10 Yeah, 2 Abstain, 2 Nay, 2 absent]

Here we should present our voting records to the public:
    c and l was rejected ( who said yes, nay, or abstain.);
    the voting for n was nit neccessary according to the CM5004;
    and others passed as unanimous consent.



> =============================================================================
> III-2. The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars 
> 			Service Foundation
> (CP5014)	by Fan Hongran/Dong Liqun
> 
> whereas with the still increasing large Chinese population in America, the
> IFCSS, the only nation-wide Chinese Students and Scholars organization,
> should take on the responsibility to better serve this social group in
> addition to promote democracy in our homeland of China;
> 
> Whereas the IFCSS faces a financial challenge for existence and the need of
> more financial aid sources;
> 
> Whereas there are some technique difficulties for the IFCSS to make more
> profit as a non-profit organization;
> 
> It is resolved that the IFCSS should establish a Chinese Students and
> Scholars Service Foundation to unite and serve a larger population of other
> groups, in the mean time, this Function would response for fund raising
> for the IFCSS;
> 
> It is further resolved the daily operation of this Foundation would not
> under the direction of the IFCSS HQ or the IFCSS Council. This Foundation
> would be run by the board of trustee which will be approved by the IFCSS
> Council. The Foundation's income and donation would be transferred to the
> IFCSS based on the contract in accordance with the standard procedure
> which has been followed in the United States.
> 
> [Note: CP5014 was adopted as CR5005 through unanimous consent.]

Not unanimous consent! There were 9 or 10 councils voting for yes. As I
remember, Chen Dong, you voted as abstain. Am I right?
 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> IV-5. Record to CP5003	
> (CM5007)	by Ren Songlin
> 
> As request of Financial Committee of Council, I have examined
> the duty and salary arrangement of the interface time between
> 4th and 5th HQ. According to the IFCSS regulation and duty
> arrangement, the persons should have payment in the time
> period are:
> 
>         4th HQ
>         Gen Xiao,
>         one month salary (on duty whole month)
>         He Boping,
>         half month salary (5 days on duty and 10 days vacation)
>         Zhang Qingsong,
>         one month salary (on duty whole month)
> 
>         5th HQ
>         Lin Changshen,
>         one month salary (on duty whole month)
>         Shi Heping,
>         one month salary (on duty whole month)
>         Liu Xiaozhu,
>         one month salary (on duty whole month)
>         Jiang Zuihong,
>         half month salary (on duty whole month, half payment)
> [Note: Record CM5007 was approved through unanimous consent.]
                            ^^^^^^^ 
     As I have mentioned it before, we can not say approved or not
approved here and I did not call vote for this record. 

     Because many councils questioned the record, Songlin promised to
present a detailed record with some explanation in about one week.
: Songlin, is it right?

Before IV-5 was put on the floor, someone moved ot reconsider CP5008 and
passed as unanimous consent. Then Zhou Hounggaung presented their amended
version and passed as unanimous consent, too. 


Liqun Dong



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Mi Mi:
Seems that you request that your communication fee for lads quota compaign be
reimbursed by IFCSS partly if not completely. I don't know why we cannot pull
the "going-to-be green card holders", you lads and late-comers together
both manpowerly and finnacially? I see there is an urgent need for IFCSS to
act as the coordinator, not necessarily the supervisor, of your effort and
that of the lcs. Otherwise, I cannot imagine how IFCSS can self-boast
itself as the grass-rooted nationwide organization for CSS in the States.
Your request actually touches the every fundamental question for IFCSS:
what does the IFCSS do? 
Hope everyone concerned could give us a shot?
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Chen Dong, 

Ren Songlin's record (CM5007) was debated, but not put to vote,
was NOT passed(or approved).

Please chech the record.


Yungui

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 93 13:01:29 EDT
From: Mi Mi <LHGCC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
To: Hongguang Zhou <labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Hi

Thank you for reply. We lads-net committee is now call signatures for a
petition letter to the government officials asking world quota for lads.
The objective is to speed up lads PR process, and save China quota for
new comer students.
The petition letter is now regularly posted to ccnl and lads-l.

What we need is support from all the parties. For LC Working Committee,
we still do not have any positive gesture on our call.

For IFCSS HQ, we need leadership and coordination. So far, it is not
very satisfactory.

For IFCSS Financial Committee, we probably need some financial backing.
Since all of us lads-net committee members are volunteers, we spend our
own time to organize the network system, to supply netters with all the
related information, and organize petition drive. But we have no funding
for send letters and fax to the related agencies. So, we need some
communication reimbursment, if it is all possible.

Most important, we need all the parties get involved. With only lads-net,
nothing can be achieved.
We think the following parties should be concerned.
lads community,
LC community,
General Chinese American Community,

IFCSS, etc.

Mi Mi

my new e-mail address is hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu



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/Would uyou please give me a clue of what you are campaign for?
/Thanks and regards.
/Zhou Hongguang

Here you are, our second call for signatures. For our day one, we have
collected 150+ e-mails containing at least 300 signatures in 24 hours.

Our goal is to push lads into world quota, thus to speed up the
process of lads PR applications, and save China's quota for new
comer students and general Chinese Americans.

Mi Mi

===============enclosure================================



Dear Lads-netters:

Since most of lads have filed their application forms, fewer and fewer postings
are seen on this net. While most lads are resuming their normal routine lives,
the lads problem is still far from being solved. We still have the following:

	(1) Visa quota allocation.
	(2) DED dependents
	(3) Voluntary departure program.
	(4) People who entered without inspection.

Although aforementioned problems are far more complicated than the information
sharing problems, and the lads-net Committee is a volunteer group which has
limited resources and manpower, the lads-net Committee, however, is resolved to
serve the whole lads community on this matter.

The 5th IFCSS is mainly composed of new comer students. Inevitably, this
landslide change brings policy changes. As post-CSPA era begins, IFCSS strives
to serve the new comers community, which had been paid little attention by
previous IFCSS terms. By no way, we are assured, the early comers will be
forgotten. Instead, the 5th IFCSS vows to serve the CSS community as a whole.
Since new comers are not protected by CSPA, Certainly they need more attention
and help from IFCSS.

We have noticed that a newly founded new comers group, Late Comer Working
Committee, or New Comer's Organization (NCO), has actively participated in
the current CSPA and IFCSS affair. By contacting the Chairman of NCO, and
friendly communication with his staff, we have established a very friendly
relationship with them, and possible collaboration in the future.

The main conflict, however, do exist. As lads are still subject to
China quota, the estimated 8000 lads of CSS community will jam China's
EB3 and FB2 categories for years. While most new comer students are going
to use these two categories, the serious backlog does hinder their efforts
to obtain the permanent residency. As for most lads, the prospective
long waiting period is not so happy to accept. Besides, there are still
other problems left unsolved which further complicate the plight of both
new comer students an lads.

New development to implement CSPA:

Illegally entered Chinese may be able to apply under CSPA:
==================begin=====================================
We called Ms Rita Boie, of INS, this morning. Here is what we got from her.

  (1) A LAD will not be allowed to use EP2 unless the principal has
      filed under EP2.   All other Lads will file application under EP3,
      solely from China's quota, not from quota allocated worldwide.
      EP3 has become current this month. If EP3 quota are not enough
      this year, some Lads will wait to use EP3 quota next year,
      and on and on.

  (2) An illegally-entered Chinese national can file under CSPA IF
      he came before 4/11/90 and has granted an advance parole and came
      back to US with the advance parole.

                                                 LC Working Committee
                                                 August 17, 1993
=================end====================================================

The impact of this policy change, will add substantially to the pool
of existing CSS-lads with unspecified number of IIer-lads. This group
of lads will be queued ahead of most new comer students.

As Mi Mi, a member of lads-net Committee, wrote to Ms. Wang Jing, Chair
of Infor & Survey Committee of IFCSS Council:
================= begin====================================================
Ms. Wang Jing

Hi. I, Mi Mi, from lads-net fully support your proposal on NCO.
As matter of fact, I had seen a lot of confusion and fighting on the net
when LCnet was connected with Yeh Shannon. As we lads-net saw the IFCSS
lost its steam to push CSPA implementation further, all of us lads were
somewhat disappointed. When we learnt that Liu Chengyan was invited to
attend IFCSS Teleconference last week, we decided to take a step forward.
Needless to say, all of us lads-netters and committee members appreciate
the tremendous efforts to achieve CSPA and its implementation. Whatever
decided by IFCSS for post-CSPA policy change is understandable. We as
beneficiaries of past IFCSS efforts can not ask more, otherwise we are
too greedy and selfish. To our LC brothers and sisters, we the lads
committee firmly believe, that communication and cooperation, mutual
understanding and solidarity are what we want. After one week
communication, we get very positive response from our LCnet committee.

As matter of fact, many ECers are paying their attention to somewhere
else. While lads are located in China's quota, and will be possibly
jamming  China's quota for many years to come, their principals are
not so much concerned about the waiting period. As one of my friends
pointed out, his wife can wait 6 year until her H-1 visa expires. During
that time, he probably gets citizenship, and in no way he should panic.
Some minor children can wait even longer. My daughter is 9. My only
concern is she gets her GC when she is ready for college. That is
almost ten years later. Of course some elder children are closer to
college and they are worried. But the population is quite small. So the
most urgent problem is for LCs, not for lads.

As matter of fact, passing another CSPA is almost impossible. What we
can do is to make room for LC by removing lads from China quota.
As the new interpretation made clear by Madam Rita Boie, IIers with
Advanced Parole can apply under CSPA. Further, the possibility of
allowing IIers with only Work Permits, even without any thing may be
allowed to apply also, still exists. With most CSS lads have filed already,
their lads inevitably have gotten more favorable priority dates
then anyone else, i.e., they are queued much ahead of the others.
So the policy change does not effect CSS lads too much, unless for
someone who is still in China. But the impact on the LC is imminent.
Those IIer lads will compete with LC, worse, be queued ahead of them.
When the spirit of CSPA is humanitarian and protection, it will be
ridiculous and self-destructive for IFCSS to oppose the inclusion
of these IIers. The best and only strategy for IFCSS, is to work
toward world quota.

I think, this point, as a major task aimed at helping our LC
brothers and sisters, should be included in your resolution.

Sincerely yours,

Mi Mi

Member of
Lads-net Committee
======================= end ========================

As the only active entity which is still working on CSPA,
we have been tried to communicate with Dr. Zhao and his NCCA.

As Li Y-H, member of lads-net Committee wrote:

======================= begin =====================================
To:		Dr. Haiching Zhao and National Council on Chinese Affair

From:		Lads Network Committee

Date:		August 18, 1993

Subject:	Information Exchange And Collaboration

Dear Dr. Zhao Haiching and National Council on Chinese Affair:

	First, we would like to thank you for your tireless efforts
in achieving the CSPA and various issue concerning CSS community,
and providing valuable information to our late-arriving-
dependents (LAD) network members.

	Our network, which was established on July 26, is expanding
very fast. Now, we have over 1000 members and 10 volunteer
committee members nation wide.

	In the past days, we did a great job in providing
information exchange through the network and help late-arriving-
dependents file application for PR. Up to now, most of the late-
arriving-dependents have successfully filed their application and
we received fewer and fewer questions about filing I-485 or I-824
forms from our netters.

	The current agenda of our network is to push late-arriving-
dependents into the world quota. In order to achieve our goals,
in addition to talking to IFCSS, early-comers and late-comers, we
want to have best collaboration with you and your council
members.

	In our estimation, there are about 6000 late-arriving-
dependents. If we let them stay in China quota, only these late-
arriving-dependents will make the backlog of China EB-3 at least
two years longer.

	From World Daily reports and confirmed by Ms Rita Boie
herself, "An illegally-entered Chinese national can file under
CSPA if he came before  April 11, 1990 and has granted an advance
parole back to US". If it is true, more and more late-arriving-
dependents will be created.

	Based on the humanitarian reasons implanted in the E.O.12711
and CSPA, there is still possibility that some illegally-entered
Chinese nationals with Work Permit, or even without any benefits
they have claimed from E.O. 12711 will be allowed to apply under
CSPA. And there might be fraud claims made by those who came
after April 11, 1990. While we can not prevent those added CSPA
applications, their newly created late-arriving-dependents surely
are causing panic among our late-comers community, and bitter
confrontation between late-arriving-dependents and late-comers.
If that should happen, that will be a great tragedy to CSS
community. As up to now, after sincerely consultations and
discussions, we have established regular and friendly
relationship with the late-comers network committee. We believe
confrontation only make enemies but friends. We need friends but
enemies. Based on this mutual believe, we are well received by
the late-comers network committee.

	In order to benefit our whole Chinese community, especially
the late-comers, we believe that it is extremely urgent for us to
work together and solve this late-arriving-dependents problem.
The best solution is to push the late-arriving-dependents into
world quota.

	We need to communicate to each other and seek different
strategies to lobby this issue. We need leadership and
coordination to conduct the concert.

	We believe that you, Dr. Zhao,  as a tireless democratic
fighter and reputed leader of IFCSS and NCCA, have the
credibility and reputation to take the lead. If you need any help
from this network or you want to post any information to this
network, please mail to:

 	yhl%cmliris@harvard.harvard.edu

Sincerely Yours,

Lads-net Committee
================= end ============================================

Dear netters, as to strive our goals, mainly to push lads into the
world-quota, we need your support. As number does matter, we also need
help from our new comer students community. As the new move will benefit
both groups, we shall work together. Hope you will bring more new comer
students to this common goal.

United, we can make a differnce!

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee

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=====================================================
== The following are packed information on         ==
== Special Report  infor from  LAD-network         ==
== ADDRESS correspondences to the ORIGINAL SENDER  ==
== To sign on/off, mail to "pei@nit.pactel.com"    ==
== To post,        mail to "lads@lucerne.rice.edu" ==
=====================================================
== lads-net committee is a group of volunteers     ==
== who have lads just like you. If you have any    ==
== suggestions, criticisms, comments and concerns, ==
== please let us know. If you want to join us to   ==
== serve the lads-community, you are highly        ==
== encouraged to do so. Mi Mi.                     ==
=====================================================

We have received 110 e-mail signatures at 10:00am, CDT. Many
of them contains more than one signature. It is estimated at
least 160 signatures are receive in our day one. We will
post our revisions late this week. Please send in your
signatures and comments. Thank you.

Hi, everyone. We need your help, we need all the parties to
participate, including new comer students. From the past
experience, we all know the number is very important in this
land. Particularly, we need YOUR SIGNATURES, and your
support. Please pass the draft petition letters around and
collect as many signatures as you can.

Our goal is very simple.
1) Push lads into the world-wide-quota:
        cut the waiting period or lads,
        save the China quota for new comer students;
2) Solve the other lads problem such as DED, 90-day, etc.

With limited resources and manpower, we are trying our best
to help the whole community. Please help us to collect
signatures, and help yourselves!

Mi Mi

Only a Member of

Lads-net Committee

Please try to find as many people as you can, early comers,
late comers, other China nationals, your American friends,
to sign the letter. We only need you to give us the
following information in electronical form, via e-mail, to

lads-sig@spike.rice.edu
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The desired format is:
Mr./Ms/Miss:Name,Address,City,State,ZipCode,Tel#
        Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms:Name(situation, e.g. DED,
90-day, etc., if applicable)
        Co-signed Child, Mr/Miss:Name(situation, e.g. DED,
90-day, etc.,if applicable)

Thank you very much!

                                        LADs Network Members
                                        c/o  ********
                                        *******************

Madam Rita A. Boie
Senior Immigration Examiner
Adjudication Branch
Immigration & Naturalization Services
425 I Street NW, room 5307
Washington, DC 20536

Dear Madam Rita A. Boie,

        We, Late-Arriving Dependents (LADs) and CSPA principals
with LADs, who signed their names and addresses here, would
like to call your attention to the following two big
problems involved in subjecting LADs to the China quota.

(1) According to the survey made by IFCSS HQ, there are
approximately 10000 eligible LADs in the US who may file
their applications under EB-3 and FB-2 during this August
and September. Since the annual China quota in EB-3 or FB-2
is about 2000, only these LADs will make the backlog of
China's at least five years longer. This means that no China
nationals can file application for adjustment of status in
the next five years. So those who  are eligible to adjust
their status under EB-3 or FB-2 in the normal situation will
have to wait four more years to file their applications. To
further complicate this situation is the reported INS
decision to include all the illegally entered China
nationals who came before April 11, 1990, and have obtained
an advance parole to re-enter US to apply under CSPA. While
this new decision reflects the spirit of humanitarian and
protection that are implanted in the then President's
Executive Order 12711, those added applicants with their
LADs are facing more difficulties than anyone  else. Not
only those LADs whose principals entered illegally will be
queued after those whose principals entered legally, that
means even  longer waiting period, but also the unspecified
number of LADs will jam the normal China EB-3 and FB-2
categories for even more years. As Americans cherish their
traditional family values and humanity, those traditional
values are deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and every
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation of those
families resulted from visa quota allocation problem will
surely bring sadness and suffering to those families, and
thus contradict the humanitarian spirit written both in the
E.O.12711 and CSPA.

(2) For dependents remaining in China, the situation is even
more bleak.  These individuals would be required to wait in
China until visa numbers are available that could
potentially separate families for over five years. The
chances of obtaining a non immigrant visa to enter the US.
are severely hampered for the dependents of a spouse or
parent in the US.  In addition, many of the dependents, both
in the US. and in China, who are now considered children,
will reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability.  This
would disqualify them for visa issuance.

Before more efficient solutions are found, we believe that
two solutions are practical now.

(1) A blanket family unity program should be established to
protect all late-arriving dependents.  This program should
mirror the benefits of E.O. 12711 to (1) provide employment
authorization for the duration of the dependents' wait; (2)
provide liberal advance parole; (3) deem the individual to
maintain his/her non immigrant status for adjustment
purposes; and (4) allow children under twenty-one on the
date of the CSPA principal's approval to be eligible for
adjustment even if they are over twenty-one at the date of
adjustment.  This family unity program would resolve the
problems involved with the case by case voluntary departure
program.

(2) Re-allocate the LADs into world quota. The CSPA
principals can be allocated into the world-wide 46,000 quota
leftovers for fiscal year 1993 and it is reasonable to
estimate that there are still world-wide quota leftover next
years. Instead of let the LADs blocking the doors to China
regular EB-3 or EP-2 visas, we free these people into the
world quota.

    Thank you for your attention.  We are waiting for your
kind consideration.

Signed by LADs Network members, and co-signed by all the
concerned and sympathetic China nationals

Their names and address are in the following attached pages.



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	IFCSS 5th Term Council News Release   CN 5003

		-- Minute of First Council Teleconference


The first session of the 1st IFCSS council regular teleconference started at 
22:00 EDT Saturday, August 14, 1993. The attendants include:
IFCSS Council members:
	Chen Dong, Ding Yungui, Dong Liqun, Fan Hongran, Liang Er,
	Liu Chen, Qi Bing, Ren Songlin, Shen Tong, Wang Jing, 
	Xu Datong, Zhang Feng, Zhang Li, Zhou Hongguang
	[Shao Qing was absent for acceptable, Li Wenyan was absent for
	unknown reason]
(invited participants, no voting rights:)
	Lin Changshen, 	IFCSS President
	Shi Heping, 	IFCSS Vice President
	Zhang Qingsong, 	former IFCSS Executive Director
			IFCSS Newsletter editor-in-chief nominee
	Huang Songyun, 	IFCSS Chief of Staff nominee
	Li Kening, 	IFCSS Supervisory Committee member
	Gen Xiao, 	former IFCSS President
	Luan Shusheng, 	chair, IFCSS Committee on Scientific, Culture 
			and Educational Exchange with China
	Liu Zhengdong,	Volunteer, IFCSS Committee on Scientific, 
			Culture and Educational Exchange with China
	Liu Chengyan, 	Chair, LCs Working Committee (not related to IFCSS)
This session lasted 5 and half hours and ended at 3:30 EDT Sunday, August 15,
1993.

The second session of the teleconference started at 20:00 EDT Saturday,
August 21, 1993.
The attendants include:
IFCSS Council members:
	Chen Dong, Ding Yungui, Dong Liqun, Fan Hongran, Liang Er,
	Liu Chen, Qi Bing, Ren Songlin, Shao Qing, Shen Tong, 
	Wang Jing, Xu Datong, Zhang Feng, Zhou Hongguang
	[Zhang Li was absent for acceptable, Li Wenyan was absent for 
	unknown reason]
invited guest:
	Lin Changshen, Shi Heping, Huang Songyun, Li Kening, 
	Luo Lishi (IFCSS SVC chair), Luan Shusheng, Liu Zhengdong, 
	Liu Chengyan
This session lasted 5 and half hours and ended at 1:30 EDT Sunday, August 22,
1993.

During the meeting, IFCSS HQ working plan, budget proposal and personal
nomination were reviewed.
Resolutions related to HQ report, later commer and IFCSS scholarship
have been discussed.

The following is a brief of the meeting.

1. The meeting starts with the adoption of the Order of the conference.

2. Mr. Lin Changshen, President of IFCSS, first briefed the HQ working plan, 
Budget proposal and personal arrangement, followed by question and answers.

3. Mr. Shi Heping, Vice President of IFCSS, briefed the plan for student 
service projects, followed by question and answers.

4. Mr. Liu Chengyan was invited to give an introduction of later arrival 
students' concern and the operation of their organization.

5. Ms. Shen Tong, Chair of council finance committee, reported on the research
about HQ budget proposal.

6. The HQ proposed budget plan has been approved by the Council (see voting
record).

7. Two resolutions on IFCSS finance plan proposed by Council Finance
Committee were discussed.

[The first session adjourned]

8. IFCSS HQ proposed personal arrangement were approved (see voting
record).

9. Resolutions sponsored by Council Personal Committee were discussed.

10. Resolutions sponsored by Council members on IFCSS project, establishing
Service Foundation, lated arrival Chinese students, IFCSS scholarship
were discussed.

11. Finance related resolutions were discussed.

12. Free speech.


__________________
[ Voting Records ]
==================

	All motions are numbered as their orders appeared on the table.
	All principal motions (numbered as CP5***) and amendments 
(numbered as CM5***) are listed.
	Other secondary motions are listed only when they are necessary
for clarity, they also are numbered as CM5***.
	Adopted principal motions are then become official resolutions
and re-numbered as CR5***.

=============================================================================
I. The IFCSS Annual Budget:  Fiscal Year of 1993-1994

	proposed by IFCSS HQ

   A.   Revenue (Estimated)
     	Donation from Society                               $120,000
     	Student Service                                     $100,000
     	Grant from Foundations                               $30,000
     	Remaining Funds from Fiscal Year of 1992-1993        $69,500
     	============================================================
     	Total Revenue                                       $319,500
	
   B.   Expenditure
     	Operation Cost                  Monthly             Annually
 	(1) HQ Staff Compensation
     	Four Full Time Staff Members
     	and One Part Time Accountant    $2,000 X 4           $96,000
     	------------------------------------------------------------
     	Subtotal                                             $96,400
	
    (2) HQ Operating Cost
     a. Office Rent                                          $10,900
     b. Phone Bills                                          $15,000
     c. Mailing                                               $2,000
     d. Office Supply                                         $2,000
     e. Printing/Copying                                      $2,000
     f. Travel/Transportation                                $15,000 (*)
     h. Office Equipment                                      $3,000
     j. Miscellaneous                                         $5,000
     	------------------------------------------------------------
     	Subtotal                                             $54,900
	
    (3) Council (16 Members)
     	Tele-Conference                                       $4,000
     	Telephone Compensation                                $6,000
     	Miscellaneous                                         $1,000 ($)
     	------------------------------------------------------------
     	Subtotal                                             $11,000
	
    (4) Supervisory Committee (5 Members)
     	Tele-Conference                                         $800
     	Telephone Compensation                                $1,800
     	Miscellaneous                                           $200
     	------------------------------------------------------------
     	Subtotal                                              $2,800
	
    (5) Working Committees                                   $10,000
	
    (6) Newsletter                                           $18,000 (#)
	
    (7) Project Assistants                                   $36,000
	
    (8) Round-Table Meeting                                  $12,000
	
    (9) The 6th Congress                                     $60,000
	
     	============================================================
     	Total Expenditure                                  $300,700
	
    C.  Surplus                                               $18,800?

[Note: This budget proposal is approved except B.2.f, B.3 and B.6.
       (*) frozen, ref. I-2(CP5002)
       ($) changed, see IV-1(CP5018)
       (#) un-approved, ref. voting record I.B.6 ]
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I-1. Motion	
(CM5001)	by Shen Tong

	Review the budget plan item by item.
[Note: CM5001 was adopted through unanimous consent.]
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I-2. Resolution on budget plan B.5
(CP5002) 	by N/A
	Temporarily freeze item B.2.f

[Note: CP5002 was adopted through unanimous consent.]
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I-3. Resolution on budget plan B.5
(CP5003)	by Zhou Hongguang/Ding Yungui

	Temporarily freeze item B.5

[Note: CP5003 was rejected with 3 Yeah, 7 Abstains, 4 Nay, 2 absent]
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I-4. Resolution on budget plan B.6	
(CP5004)	by Shen Tong/Zhou Hongguang

	Temporarily freeze item B.6

[Note: CP5004 was rejected with 7 Yeah, 1 Abstains, 6 Nay, 2 absent]
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I-5. Resolution on budget item plan B.7	
(CP5005)	by Ding Yungui/Zhou Hongguang

	Temporally freeze item B.7 until HQ submit a detail plan.

[Note: CP5005 was rejected with 7 Yeah, 1 Abstains, 4 Nay, 2 absent]
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I-6. Resolution on budget item plan B.7	
(CP5006)	by Dong Chen/Wang Jing

	Be it resolved:
	1. Pass item B.7,
	2. HQ shall supply a detail project list later.

[Note: CP5006 was adopted as CR5002 
       with 12 Yeah, 2 Abstains, 0 Nay, 2 absent]
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I-7. The Resolution on the 4th term financial report 
(CP5007)	by  Financial committee,  Drafted by Shen Tong

    Whereas the 4th term financial report was given in an incomplete form
and even after the 5th term budget was submitted to financial committee of
the council, the report is still an estimated number.

    Whereas since the IFCSS HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
responsibility to the members of the council and IFCSS and have the right
to know the finance of the IFCSS.

    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
report for last term and a list of IFCSS equipments.

[Note: CP5007 was rejected with 7 Yeah, 5 Abstains, 3 Nay, 2 absent]
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I-8. Amendment to CP5006	
(CM5002)	by Ren Songlin

	Change to "A local third party will go to HQ ..."

[Note: CM5002 was rejected with 3 Yeah, 7 Abstains, 4 Nay, 2 absent]
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I-9. The Resolution on Compensation for Members of Transition Team 
(CP5008)	by Finance Committee,  Drafted by Zhou Hongguang

    Whereas new presidency and vice presidency have been elected on the
annual IFCSS congress, and the transition of the HQ administration has to
be made between the outgoing term and the new term;

    Whereas a transition team has to be set up to ensure the smooth
transfer of the HQ administration and there has no such a team exist;

    Whereas to ensure function of the transition team, the team has to be
consist of no fewer than two members from the outgoing term and no more
than two members from the new term;

    Whereas the members of the transition team have to be compensated for
their work and there is no such regulations being set before; and

    Whereas the compensation for the team are as follows:
    outgoing term members to be paid no less than two(2) weeks new term
members to be paid more than two(2) weeks, starting as of the date of
report to the HQ, which should be within seven(7) days of the election, by
the new term members the compensation for the transition team should no
more than thirty(30) days.

    Therefore, be it resolved by the 1st 5th Council teleconference that
the transition team members be compensated as the above setforth.

[Note: CP5008 was rejected with 7 Yeah, 7 Abstains, 0 Nay, 2 absent]
=============================================================================
II.	Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
	submitted by IFCSS HQ

                    Headquarters Office
                    -------------------

	          President:   Lin Changshen  (full time)
	     Vice President:   Shi Heping      (temporary)
a.	 Executive Director:   Liu Xiaozhu     (full time)
b.	     Chief of Staff:   Huang Songyun   (full time)
c.	         Newsletter:   Zhang Qingsong  (part time) (*)
d.	          Treasurer:   Jiang Zuihong   (part time)

                    Working Committees
                    ------------------

e.	   Human Rights Committee:                Xiao Qiang
f.	   Government Affairs Committee:          Liu Xiaozhu
g.	   Grassroots Organizations Committee:    Huang Songyun
h.	   Post Graduation Liaison Committee:     Deng Yuanpei
j.	   Fund Raising Committee:                Shi Heping
k.	   Theoretic Research Committee:          Wu Tao
l.	   IFCSS Newsletter Editor in Chief:      Zhang Qingsong ($)
m.	   Chinese Community Information Center:  Ding Jian
n.	   Humanitarian Assistant Committee:	  Zhang Yalai

[Note: personal arrangement is approved except II.c and II.l.
       (*, $) un-approved, ref. voting record II.c, II.l ]
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II-1. Resolution 
(CP5009)	by Personnel Committee, drafted by Songlin Ren

The Personnel Arrangement for 5th Term IFCSS
recommended by Mr. Lin Changshen, the President
of 5th IFCSS, has been approved by Personnel
Committee of the 5th council.

[Note: see CM5003]
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II-2. Resolution	
(CP5010)	by Chen Dong/Ren Songlin
	
	According to IFCSS Bylaw, a Working Committee exist until it's
explicitly dissolved by Congress or Council,
	Be it resolved,
	Dissolve all IFCSS Working Committees immediately before approve
any Working Committees.

[Note: CP5010 was rejected with 2 Yeah, 7 Abstains, 5 Nay, 2 absent]
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II-3. Resolution	
(CP5011)	by Liu Chen/Qi Bin

	Enforce HQ propose dissolving all Working Committees not going
to be sponsored by this term.

[Note: CP5011 was rejected with 7 Yeah, 5 Abstains, 2 Nay, 2 absent]
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II-4. Resolution on Working Committee	
(CP5012)	by Ding Yungui/Liu Chen

        Be it resolved,
        1. that the IFCSS HQ must supply a list of last year's Working
Committees (WC's) which are under consideration and which are to be dissolved
for the Council's approval, otherwise all those WC's shall still exist by
default according to the by-law;                   
        2. that the Council will examine and vote on newly set up Working    
Committees before discussing the nominations.                                

[Note: Resolution CP5012 was adopted as CR5003 through unanimous consent.]
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II-5. Motion	
(CM5003)	by Liu Chen

	Vote the HQ personal proposal item by item.

[Note: CM5003 was adopted with 8 Yeah, 1 Abstain, 5 Nay, 2 absent]
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II-6. Motion	
(CM5004)	by Ding Yungui

	The Humanitarian Assistant Working Committee has already been
set up, its chairperson will remain the same by IFCSS bylaw, therefor
no voting is needed for this item.

[Note: CM5004 was adopted with 10 Yeah, 2 Abstain, 2 Nay, 2 absent]
=============================================================================
III-1. Resolution on IFCSS related projects 
(CP5013)	by Liang Er/Chen Dong

Whereas the council has been entitled the legal responsibility of IFCSS by the
IFCSS Charter,

Whereas there is no clear definition about project in IFCSS bylaw,

Be it resolved that:

1. IFCSS HQ shall not sign any project contracts prior to the ratification by
council or related council committee.
2. Council has the right to monitor and stop any working committees or on
going projects, except where prohibited by law.
3. IFCSS shall open all projects for public bidding.

[Note: CP5013 was adopted as CR5004 through unanimous consent.]
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III-2. The Resolution of Establishing a Chinese Students and Scholars 
			Service Foundation
(CP5014)	by Fan Hongran/Dong Liqun

whereas with the still increasing large Chinese population in America, the
IFCSS, the only nation-wide Chinese Students and Scholars organization,
should take on the responsibility to better serve this social group in
addition to promote democracy in our homeland of China;

Whereas the IFCSS faces a financial challenge for existence and the need of
more financial aid sources;

Whereas there are some technique difficulties for the IFCSS to make more
profit as a non-profit organization;

It is resolved that the IFCSS should establish a Chinese Students and
Scholars Service Foundation to unite and serve a larger population of other
groups, in the mean time, this Function would response for fund raising
for the IFCSS;

It is further resolved the daily operation of this Foundation would not
under the direction of the IFCSS HQ or the IFCSS Council. This Foundation
would be run by the board of trustee which will be approved by the IFCSS
Council. The Foundation's income and donation would be transferred to the
IFCSS based on the contract in accordance with the standard procedure
which has been followed in the United States.

[Note: CP5014 was adopted as CR5005 
       with 9 Yeah, 3 Abstain, 1 Nay, 3 absent]
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III-3. The Resolution on IFCSS and the New-Comers' Organization 
(CP5015)	by Wang Jing/Zhang Feng

        The situation under which New-Comers' Organization(NCO) established
has created an image of a splitting CSS community.

        Whereas IFCSS is to serve and represent the interests of the whole
Chinese Scholars and Students (CSS) community,

        Whereas misunderstandings and lacking of communication have caused
problems between some late arriving CSS and other CSS,

        It is the responsibility of IFCSS to oversee this issue and solve
the related problems.

        Be it resolved:

        IFCSS initiate and keep contact with the NCO and show the
willingness of working with them for their interests.

        Be it further resolved:

        IFCSS provide services to NCO when feasible, which may include
equipmental support, information consulting and other kind of support for
specific projects that would benefit the CSS community.


        IFCSS should always have its gate open up equally to both the
early-arriving CSS and the late-arriving CSS in order to achieve its goal
of serving the complete CSS community in the US.

[Note: CP5015 was adopted as CR5006 through unanimous consent.]
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III-4. The Resolution on the Later-Comers' concerns about 
                         possible hurt because of CSPA
(CP5016)	by Wang Jing/Zhang Feng

     Whereas all the CSS community consider CSPA as a great achievement.

     Whereas in the process of CSPA writing, there is little attention
paid to those Fellow Chinese Students who came United States after April
11m, 1990.

    Whereas after CSPA Implementation began, interests conflict between Late
Arriving Dependents (LADs) and Late Arriving Students (LASs) become a bad
sign for both organization and CSS community.

    Be it  resolved:

     (1) Being an organization on behalf of the whole CSS, IFCSS HQ should
compose a comprehensive fact-based report on all the issues of CSPA as soon
as possible.

     (2) It's IFCSS's liability and obligation to provide fair opportunities
to the whole CSS community. If CSPA really hurt the interests of LASs after
some periods of CSPA Implementation, IFCSS HQ should show its favorites and
sympathy towards LASs on this interests conflict issue and work on reducing
any possible hurt.

     (3) IFCSS HQ should assign one person (one from 4 full time) as the
coordinator with NCO to monitor the latest CSPA situation, to keep all
CSS especially  Later-comers informed by up-date official information.

[Note: CP5016 was adopted as CR5007 through unanimous consent.]
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III-5. Resolution on the Award Project 
(CP5017)	by Ding Yungui/Zhang Feng 

Whereas the IFCSS Working Committee of Science and Technology, Culture, and
Education Exchange (the IFCSS WC in short hereafter) was authorized in the
last term to carry out a project that would award some college students in
China for their achievement in academical studies and sponsor some
activities
of student organizations on a competitive and selective basis (hereafter
refer to as the project);

Whereas the IFCSS WC was not able to carry out this project before the end
of the last term largely because of hard-to-control application process,
and thus the project has been carried over to the new term of the IFCSS;

Whereas the project is the first meaningful one of this type of the IFCSS in
its pursuit of educational and cultural exchange with China, and thus bears
a unique significance;

Whereas the exchange with China is the focus point of the new term and
educational exchange is a vital part of it, and the same award project will
be continued (upon the approval by the Council) in the current year;

Whereas the IFCSS WC has announced the winners of the awards and the amount
of the awards;

Be it resolved

1) That the award for twelve (12) students and funding for one (1)
   organizational activity selected by the IFCSS WC shall be honored by
IFCSS, the name of IFCSS shall be acknowledged together with other donating
organizations.

2) That each one of the award winners shall be awarded the promised $240.00,
   and the organization $100, part of which ($1,800(*) in total) will come from
   the remaining balance of the last term and the rest ($1,180(+)) from external
   sources IFCSS shall go to;

3) That the IFCSS WC shall file a detailed report to the IFCSS headquarters
   on this project, including the rules of selection and all the application
   documents. These materials shall be permanently kept for future reference.

(*) The amount was changed from $2,000 to $1,800 by the suggestion of
Dong Liqun.
(+) Changed correspondingly.
passed.

[Note: CP5017 was adopted as CR5008 
       with 10 Yeah, 1 Abstain, 2 Nay 3 absent.]
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III-5.1. Amendment
(CM5005)	by Ren Songlin

	Delete all detail amount of fund in section 2.

[Note: CM5005 was rejected with 4 Yeah, 8 Abstain, 1 Nay, 3 absent]
=============================================================================
IV-1. The Resolution on the Raising of the Budget of the 5th Council 
(CP5018)	by  Financial Committee

    Whereas there are some unexpected issues that need to be discussed
within the council by teleconference and in some cases council members have
to go to D.C. to work with the HQ.

    Whereas the current budget of the council is limited.

    Be it solved:

    The miscellaneous part of the budget of the 5th council will be raised
from $1000 to $3000. To use this part of money needs the approval of the
majority of the council.

[Note: CP5018 was adopted as CR5009 through unanimous consent.]
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IV-2. Amendment for the IFCSS Financial regulations 
(CP5019)	by  Financial Committee

    Article 1.  change "after he is elected as the president." to after
    he starts transition period.

    Article 5. change "after he is elected." to  after he starts
    transition period.

    Article 11. add (no less than two representatives) after "any
    authorized agent of the council."

    Article 16 add  (include president,vice-president,treasurer,assistant
    treasurer...etc.any related person.) before "if is recommended by
    the council."

[Note: CP5019 was adopted as CR5010 through unanimous consent.]
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IV-3. Motion to reconsider
(CM5006)	by Zhang Li
    
   Here I propose to RECONSIDER the motion regarding inspection
team to HQ lead by financial committee members,...

[Note: CM5006 was adopted through unanimous consent.]
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IV-4. Resolution on Examination of the Financial and Asset Situation of IFCSS HQ
(CP5020)	by Finance Committee, drafted by Zhou Hongguang

I. Background
    During the each transition of the HQ, there has been always discrepancy
occurred in the financial records of HQ. This year is again sees no
exception.
The financial report by the 4th term is incomplete and even after the 5th
term budget request has been was submitted to the Council's Finance
Committee and the repeated request by the Finance Committee of furnishing
update information, the report by the HQ is still full with
estimated figures.

II. Objectives
Financial records
To compose fixed asset list
Workload evaluation
To gather Information for financial package regarding the operation of HQ

III. Efficiency analysis
Benefits that may resulted from such a site examination
Costs involved: travel and lodge expenses by the Finance Committee
Expected date of report to the Council

    Whereas since the IFCSS HQ does not have a equipment list therefore,
the council can not examine the corresponding items in the HQ budget.

    Whereas the members of the council financial committee hold the
responsibility to the members of the council and IFCSS and have the right
to know the finance of the IFCSS.
  
    Be it resolved:

    The members of financial committee will go to HQ and give a clear
report for last term and a list of IFCSS equipments.

[Note: CP5020 was adopted as CR5011 
       with 9 Yeah, 4 Abstain, 0 Nay, 3 absent.]
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IV-5. Record to CP5003	
(CM5007)	by Ren Songlin

As request of Financial Committee of Council, I have examined
the duty and salary arrangement of the interface time between
4th and 5th HQ. According to the IFCSS regulation and duty
arrangement, the persons should have payment in the time
period are:

        4th HQ
        Gen Xiao,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)
        He Boping,
        half month salary (5 days on duty and 10 days vacation)
        Zhang Qingsong,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)

        5th HQ
        Lin Changshen,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)
        Shi Heping,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)
        Liu Xiaozhu,
        one month salary (on duty whole month)
        Jiang Zuihong,
        half month salary (on duty whole month, half payment)
[Note: Record CM5007 was approved through unanimous consent.]

======================================================
		CP5003	I.B.5	CP5004	I.B.6	CP5005	CP5006	CM5002
Chen Dong	N	Y	N	Y	N	Y	Y
Ding Yungui     Y	N	Y	A	Y	A	A
Dong Liqun      A	Y	Y	A	N	Y	N
Fan Hongran     N	Y	N	A	N	Y	A
Li Wenyan       -       -       -       -       -	-	-
Liang Er        N	Y	N	Y	N	Y	A
Liu Chen        A	Y	N	Y	N	Y	N
Qi Bing         Y	Y	Y	A	Y	A	A
Ren Songlin     N	Y	N	Y	N	Y	Y
Shao Qing       -       -       -       -       -	-	-
Shen Tong       A	Y	Y	A	N	Y	N
Wang Jing       A	Y	N	A	A	Y	A
Xu Datong       A	Y	A	A	N	Y	A
Zhang Feng      A	Y	Y	A	A	Y	Y
Zhang Li        A	Y	Y	A	N	Y	N
Zhou Hongguang  Y	A	Y	A	Y	Y	A
--------------------------------------------------
		CP5007	CP5008	CP5010	CP5011	CM5003	CM5004
Chen Dong	N	A	Y	N	N	Y
Ding Yungui     A	A	N	Y	Y	Y	
Dong Liqun      Y	Y	A	Y	Y	Y
Fan Hongran     A	A	A	Y	Y	A
Li Wenyan       -       -       -       -       -	-
Liang Er        N	A	A	A	A	Y
Liu Chen        Y	A	N	Y	Y	Y
Qi Bing         Y	Y	N	Y	Y	Y
Ren Songlin     A	Y	Y	A	N	A
Shao Qing       -       -       N	N	N	N
Shen Tong       Y	Y	A	A	Y	Y
Wang Jing       A	A	A	Y	N	N
Xu Datong       Y	Y	A	A	N	Y
Zhang Feng      Y	Y	N	Y	Y	Y
Zhang Li        N	A	-       -       -	-
Zhou Hongguang  Y	Y	A	A	Y	Y
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		II.a	II.b	II.c	II.d	II.k	II.l
Chen Dong	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Ding Yungui     A	Y	A	A	A	A
Dong Liqun      Y	Y	A	A	Y	A
Fan Hongran     Y	Y	A	Y	Y	A
Li Wenyan       -       -       -       -       -	-
Liang Er        Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Liu Chen        A	Y	A	A	Y	A
Qi Bing         A	A	A	A	A	A
Ren Songlin     Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Shao Qing       Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Shen Tong       Y	Y	A	Y	Y	A
Wang Jing       Y	Y	A	Y	Y	A
Xu Datong       Y	Y	Y	Y	Y	Y
Zhang Feng      Y	Y	Y	A	Y	Y
Zhang Li        -	-	-       -       -	-
Zhou Hongguang  Y	Y	A	A	Y	Y
[Note: II.e, II.f, II.g, II.h, II.j, II.m were passed through unanimous
       consent. For II.n, see CM5004]
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		CM5005	CP5014	CP5017	CP5020
Chen Dong	Y	N	N	A
Ding Yungui     N	Y	Y	Y
Dong Liqun      A	Y	Y	Y
Fan Hongran     A	Y	Y	Y
Li Wenyan       -       -	-       -
Liang Er        -	-	-	-
Liu Chen        A	Y	Y	Y
Qi Bing         A	Y	Y	Y
Ren Songlin     Y	A	N	A
Shao Qing       A	A	A	A
Shen Tong       Y	Y	Y	Y
Wang Jing       A	Y	Y	Y
Xu Datong       Y	A	Y	A
Zhang Feng      A	Y	Y	Y
Zhang Li        -	-	-	-
Zhou Hongguang  A	Y	Y	Y
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Dong Chen
(signed)
Secretary
IFCSS Council

Dong Liqun
(signed)
Chairperson of the IFCSS Council

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