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Since IFCSS HQ release Heping Shi's testimony of the human 
right condition in China regarding the MFN for China at the 
House Ways and Means Committee, many opposite voice were 
appeared in the net, especially the mail form  xiangsheng hu
<xu91@midway.uchicago.edu> and IFCSS council member Zhou 
Hongguang. 

Let us read Mr. Hu Xiangshen's mail: " It isthe tim for 
us to prevent IFCSS HQ going stupid things for our country.   
......     We should take steps to stop this action."

HQ also sent out press and forwarded to the White House four 
letters, addressed to President Clinton, from families in 
China whose relatives are political prisoners.

We can learn facts of the human right in China from the 
letters. All of us know that China has very poor human right 
record, comparing most countries in the world. No body could 
forget the June 4 massacre in 1989. Thousand of victim and 
their families still live in the shadow of June 4. Some of 
them were died and some are still in prison.  

It is the truth that China has very poor human right. If you 
are asked to testify the facts in the anywhere, what do you 
say? I believe no body could say that Human right in China 
meet the standard in the world, if he/she still has a 
conscience (liang xin). 

All of us hope that China has good economic growth. All of us 
hope that China has MFN to help the economic growth. Who can 
control the situation of China will get MFN or not? Only 
China and US authorities. If Chinese authority is not going 
to improve the human right and US stand the common human 
right standard, China will lose MFN. The China authorities 
should take the responsibility for the economic cost from 
that, not the people who speak the truth in the testimony. If 
Chinese people is the victims from that, the criminal should 
take the responsibility not the witness. 

Mr. Shi Heping and IFCSS HQ did right thing in the testimony
-- to speak the truth. The US congress is asking IFCSS to 
testify human right in China not asking you opinion for MFN.

I like to ask Mr. Hu Xiangsheng and Mr. Zhou Hongguang. If 
you were asked to testify the human right in China at US 
House, you would speak truth or wand to be a liar? I believe 
you do no want to be a liar if you still have a conscience 
(liang xin).
 
To promote human right in China is the basic concept in the 
constitution of IFCSS. I strongly support the testimony. 



Songlin Ren
IFCSS Council Member


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I think Mr. Ren Songlin made a very good arguement here:
China's human rights record is not good, and it is IFCSS'
mission to promote human rights in China.

However, Mr. Ren failed to link that to MFN. No matter what
opinion you hold, there is a logical flaw here. Especially,
after reading the following passages, I become not sure
whether Mr. Ren Songlin read the text of testimony or not.


>Mr. Shi Heping and IFCSS HQ did right thing in the testimony
>-- to speak the truth. The US congress is asking IFCSS to 
>testify human right in China not asking you opinion for MFN.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                              (1)

>I like to ask Mr. Hu Xiangsheng and Mr. Zhou Hongguang. If 
>you were asked to testify the human right in China at US 
>House, you would speak truth or wand to be a liar? I believe 
                                              ^^^^
>you do no want to be a liar if you still have a conscience 
>(liang xin).
                              (2)
 
>To promote human right in China is the basic concept in the 
>constitution of IFCSS. I strongly support the testimony. 
                              (3)

Note (1): If the Congress only asks "IFCSS to testify human right
          in China" and "not asking your opinion for MFN",
          why the testimony CLEARLY takes a stand on MFN?
         
          Obviously I don't know something Mr Ren seems to know:
          what the Congress asked? Why to do something not asked to?

     (2): One point: I don't think one should be necessarily 
          emotionally accusing others to be "liar". That kind
          of practice is no good for any genuine discussion.

     (3): This is a shaky conclusion. Yes, we all agree that 
          to promote HR in China is IFCSS' mission. Still, one 
          can agree or disagree to attach HR condition to MFN--
          to attach HR conditions to MFN is the request made by the
          testimony, remember!
          But, Songlin can't jump from the "mission" statement to
          the "strongly support the testimony" conclusion, 
          without giving reasoning in between.

I think we colleagues in the Council can discuss this issue with
sincere attitude. It is a big issue for IFCSS. No matter what opinions
we may hold differently, let's do it in a reasonable way.
Name calling or elusive arguement won't help.


Yungui

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Since I posted the mail of MFN, Yungui, Chenjian and Zhang Feng responsed 
their opinion for this issue. All of you have same point -- like to see
China will continue has MFN of US next year and human right is not good in 
China. I agree with you, MFN is very helpful for China ecnomic growth, and
human right also is very important issue for China future. All of us would
like to see both economic growth anf human right improvement in our country.

The facts we face is as following: 

(1)  the US government has attached Human Rights conditions a year ago. 
Chinese government has been requested to meet them in order to renew MFN. 

(2) human right in China is not meet the condition.

(3) we all want to see china has progress in both economic and human right.

(4) what and how can we do in the MFN issue, in order to pushing china to 
right direction. 

I think that we should use our efforts on this issue, not set here to
blame HQ. We should base on above facts to do something.

I raise the following motion to council, we should come to contact withi
top Chinese authority to express our concern and push them to do something.   

Songlin Ren
IFCSS Council member

**************************************************************************

To:     IFCSS Council 
From:   Songlin Ren / 
Date:   March 1, 1994

CC:     IFCSS SVC, HQ, IFCSSVC


Sub:    Emergency Motion to IFCSS Council:

     IFCSS to Work on MFN Issue so it can be extanded for year 94-95 

Whereas China's MFN status with US will be reviewed and subject for 
extantion in June;

Whereas the US government has attached Human Rights conditions a year
ago.  Chinese government has been requested to meet them in order to 
win the next renew of MFN for year 94-95;

Whereas the US government has indicated through many chennles that 
fundamental conditions have not been met by the Chinese government;

Whereas Chinese government has so far failed to take more serious steps 
to win MFN status for the next year;

Whereas risk for China to loss its MFN status is higher than ever before,

Be it resolved, that,

IFCSS, particularly, its executive branch - the President, shall make 
every effort to contact and urgy the Chinese government to improve its 
human rights record.  Upon sufficent evidents that significant improvments
can be acheived in time, IFCSS may help to push for renewing China's
MFN status for the next year. 

******************************** END ***********************************



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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 17:16:20 -0500
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Subject: MFN

Why Should IFCSS Lobby for Attaching Human Rights 
Conditions on China's MFN Trade Status?

Heping Shi

Writer's Note: The following discussion is meant to exchange
thoughts with IFCSS Council members on a personal basis. It should
not be regarded as an official memo from the HQ.

     At the 1st Congress of IFCSS, a resolution was passed to
establish an "Economic Sanction Committee," whose responsibility
was to lobby the U.S. government to impose economic sanctions
against China for human rights violations. However, since none of
the committee's chairmen lived in the Washington DC area, the
committee was unable to do much and was suspended after the second
term. Since then all the related work has been carried out by the
HQ.

     In 1989 and 1990, there was a genuine fear on the part of the
Chinese government that it would lose MFN status. This fear was
reflected in the hiring of Hill & Knolton, a PR firm to which the
Chinese government paid two million dollars for MFN-related
lobbying in 1990. However, as time went by, particularly after
repeated vetoes of MFN bills by George Bush were sustained in the
Congress, the Chinese government seemed to worry less and less.
Only after Clinton came to the office was the issue reexamined.

     IFCSS's position on MFN has changed over the years. In the
beginning, with fresh memories of June 4th Massacre, it asked for
immediate revocation, but that position was changed to conditional
renewal before the end of the first term. During the second and the
third terms, IFCSS put forward strong conditions such as release of
all political and religious prisoners, only to be further watered
down during the 4th term. The conditions in President Clinton's
executive order issued last June generally reflect our demands,
which had by then become very flexible. For instance, instead of
asking for the release of ALL political prisoners, we asked for
release of political and religious prisoners. The rationale was to
apply pressure but not to corner the Chinese government.

     Several months remain before President Clinton makes his
decision. IFCSS can submit a final request in early May to take
into account what will take place between now and that time. My
impression is that the Chinese government will offer the White
House something to show the public. What we should do meanwhile is
to generate the greatest pressure possible so that the greatest
concession can be extracted from the Chinese government.

     Since day one of IFCSS's campaign, concern was expressed that
it would lead to the revocation of China's MFN status, which has
never happened. Why? On one hand, neither IFCSS nor the U.S.
government wants it; on the other hand, money is definitely
stronger than moral persuasion. The business circle boasts a
lobbying force which is many times more effective than that of
IFCSS. Will things be different this year? A careful reading of
Winston Lord's testimony last Thursday will reveal what the
administration is preparing for.

     If the threat is not real then, are we wasting our time? My
personal view is "No." By using MFN as a leverage, we have achieved
appreciable results. Every year from February to June, the Chinese
government would do something positive. When Bush was in the White
House, it might have done so to help Bush fend off congressional as
well as public criticisms and beat back the demand for attaching
human rights conditions to China's MFN status. With a democrat in
the White House, the Chinese government became less certain about
the results, so it still made and will continue to make
concessions.

     Some have argued that MFN is not the right tool. I beg to
disagree. In the past years we have been using this tool to promote
human rights at NO cost to China's economy. Besides, IFCSS is an
organization operating in the U.S. rather than China. How can it
work for human rights progress in China? One of the most effective
and available means is to generate international pressure. Since
MFN is an issue that attracts broad attention, it serves as an
ideal tool. I have never seen anything else that is as effective as
MFN in highlighting human rights abuse in China.

     It is true that the Chinese government has made progress over
the years, but the progress was not made of its own accord. It was
because individuals and organizations, including IFCSS, have worked
for it. We all support the current economic reform, but remember
that the market economy was not invented by Deng Xiaoping. Many
intellectuals, some of whom are still in prison today, had pushed
for it long before the government incorporated it into its policy.

     Every time I read letters from family members of those who are
in prison, I feel a sense of urgency. We have helped some to gain
their freedom, but shall we leave many others to serve out their
full terms? I agree that MFN is not the only tool to use and I
believe it is the responsibility of the IFCSS Council to come up
with some alternatives. I may be wrong. But has the current IFCSS
Council passed any resolution related to human rights? Personally,
I am willing to give up attaching human rights conditions to
China's MFN status if I am convinced of the damage done to China's
political and economic progress or if I am given a better tool. Of
course, this personal attitude shall not prevent me from carrying
out any Council resolutions in my official capacity.


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MEMO

From: Zhou Hongguang, CM-the Southeast, IFCSS Council Finance Committee
Date: 3/2/94
To:   IFCSS HQ
      IFCSS Council
      IFCSS SVC

Attn: Mr. Shi Heping, Vice President of IFCSS
      Mr. Dong Liqun, Chair of IFCSS Council
RE:   Reimbursment issue

	Hot debate on MFN. Good. But I would like to remind the HQ and others 
concerned that my airticket and car rental( which was signed by the 
Council Treasurer Ding Yungui )  has not yet reimbursed after 
all receipts reached the HQ for more than two weeks. I have telephoned 
the HQ a few times. Mr. Lin Changsheng, IFCSS President, told me well 
before he left for Taiwan, that my bill would be reimbursed even though 
Mr. Chen Dong, a CM from U of Maryland. However, there still has been no 
outcome. 

	Also the air fare by Bai Yan for last Novemeber inspection has not yet 
reimbursed. I mentioned this to the participants of the Washington 
meeting early last Month and the fact that Ding Yungui and I have to have 
write our personal checks to pay Bai Yan. And Mr. Lin Changsheng told Bai 
Yan that his airticket would be reimbursed after the Washington meeting. 
Again, so far no outcome.

	I have so far made much efforts and spent so much time on this issue. 
If there is no any official response from the HQ or the Council, I will 
consider other means to get the attention and action from the HQ or 
Council towards this rountine work. 

	I do not understand that why IFCSS seems always need seemingly "unusual 
way" to function normally or execute its normal duty. Can any IFCSS 
people give me a clue? Is the IFCSS operating according to the 
princinples of democracy, which the IFCSS claims to follow,  or more 
strictly the Maryland Corporate Laws under which the IFCSS is registered?

	I look forward to a reply from the HQ.

	Thanks and regards.

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Hi, there:  The following piece appeared in today's Badger Herald, one of
University of Wisconsin-Madison's two student newspapers.  Having read the
article himself, Dr. Weimin Shen, one of long-time activists of UW-Madison-
based CIU (Chinese Independent Union), asked to forward it to CCNL.  The
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KEEP PRESSURE ON CHINA
Recent crackdown demands forceful Western response

By Kangcong Zhang


    China was once again at the political spotlight over the weekend.  As it
is often the case, it got the world's attention not because it had done
something good or right.  Just the contrary -- it did so by rounding up its
most well-known political dissidents.
    Within a period of 72 hours beginning from last Wednesday night, China
detained eight political activists, including the country's most famous
dissident, Wei Jingsheng, who had served a 14-year prison term for his
pro-democracy activities before he was released last September.  Among the
others detained were Wang Dan, a student leader from the 1989 pro-democracy
movement who was also prisoned; Yuan Hongbing, a dissident law professor of
Beijing University; and Quan Yumin and Zhou Guoqiang, two prominent dissidents
known for supporting a peace charter calling for non-violent political reform.
Some of them, including Wei and Wang, were released after being held for 24
hours.  The others have not been so lucky and will have to wait until the
Western world generates greater pressure on the Chinese government.
    The Chinese government's latest crackdown caught the Western world,
especially the United States, by surprise.  Well, not that the crackdown itself
was so surprising.  What was surprising was the timing of the crackdown: it
took place while a State Department human rights envoy headed by Joan
Shattuck, assistant secretary for human rights was visiting China, and a week
before Secretary of State Warren Christopher was scheduled to arrive there for
talks on human rights issues.
    So, what did the Western world read off of all this?  And, more
importantly, how is the Western world going to react?
    Well, to the first question, at least one expert gives a pessimistic
answer.  Rubin Munro, Hong Kong representative of Asia Watch, a New York-
based human rights group, interpreted China's latest crackdown as a defiant
response to pressure to improve its human rights record coming from the
U. S.-led Western world.
    As to the second question, President Clinton's comment pretty much answers
it.  "I have done what I culd to make it clear that the United States does not
seek to isolate China economically or politically," he said, "and that we want
a constructive and strong relationship with them."
    Need any translation?  In plain English: there is very little the United
States can or is willing to do about it.
    Unfortunately, both Munro and the president are right.  Being one of United
Nations' five Security Council voting members, one of a dozen or so countries
possesssing nuclear capabilities, and an economic power on the rise, China
has every reason to consider itself an existence to reckon with.
    And nowadays, to reckon with China, the rest of the world (with Hong Kong
and its governor, Christ Patton, being a possible exemption) often has to play
by rules laid down by its opponent.
    It was not that long ago that Congress liked to think it had a way when it
came to dealing with China, banking on that China would cave in if the United
States threatened to revoke its Most Favored Nation (MFN) trading status.  As
years passed by, both parties have learned the better of it -- neither party
wants China's MFN status stripped for reasons that billions of dollars' worth
in trade and hundreds of thousands of jobs are at stake on either side.  In
real-life politics, conscience and morality take a back seat.
    As things stand now, it seems that the China-vs.-the-Western-world
confrontation on human rights issues will continue for some time to come.
Keep in mind that China has a tradition of respecting history (one of its rare
lapses, the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution, only brought about catastrophic
outcomes), and things in China change only when the historical conditions that
necessitated or justifiied their existence become no more.
    Which means that China's human rights situation is unlikely to improve
substantially before its leaders responsible for the 1989 Tiananmen Massacre
fade away in history, and when that time comes, change has a chance.
    Which does not mean, however, that the Western world can not keep up its
pressure in hopes of bringing freedom to more of China's tens of thousands
political and religious prisoners.  In fact, such pressure does reap fruits
occasionally.  And when fruits are measured in terms of freedom of human
beings, any possible effort is worth taking.


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Hi, there:  The following piece appeared in today's Badger Herald, one of
University of Wisconsin-Madison's two student newspapers.  Having read the
article himself, Dr. Weimin Shen, one of long-time activists of UW-Madison-
based CIU (Chinese Independent Union), asked to forward it to CCNL.  The
author so agrees.


Kangcong Zhang
University of Wisconsin-Madison


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KEEP PRESSURE ON CHINA
Recent crackdown demands forceful Western response

By Kangcong Zhang


    China was once again at the political spotlight over the weekend.  As it
is often the case, it got the world's attention not because it had done
something good or right.  Just the contrary -- it did so by rounding up its
most well-known political dissidents.
    Within a period of 72 hours beginning from last Wednesday night, China
detained eight political activists, including the country's most famous
dissident, Wei Jingsheng, who had served a 14-year prison term for his
pro-democracy activities before he was released last September.  Among the
others detained were Wang Dan, a student leader from the 1989 pro-democracy
movement who was also prisoned; Yuan Hongbing, a dissident law professor of
Beijing University; and Quan Yumin and Zhou Guoqiang, two prominent dissidents
known for supporting a peace charter calling for non-violent political reform.
Some of them, including Wei and Wang, were released after being held for 24
hours.  The others have not been so lucky and will have to wait until the
Western world generates greater pressure on the Chinese government.
    The Chinese government's latest crackdown caught the Western world,
especially the United States, by surprise.  Well, not that the crackdown itself
was so surprising.  What was surprising was the timing of the crackdown: it
took place while a State Department human rights envoy headed by Joan
Shattuck, assistant secretary for human rights was visiting China, and a week
before Secretary of State Warren Christopher was scheduled to arrive there for
talks on human rights issues.
    So, what did the Western world read off of all this?  And, more
importantly, how is the Western world going to react?
    Well, to the first question, at least one expert gives a pessimistic
answer.  Rubin Munro, Hong Kong representative of Asia Watch, a New York-
based human rights group, interpreted China's latest crackdown as a defiant
response to pressure to improve its human rights record coming from the
U. S.-led Western world.
    As to the second question, President Clinton's comment pretty much answers
it.  "I have done what I culd to make it clear that the United States does not
seek to isolate China economically or politically," he said, "and that we want
a constructive and strong relationship with them."
    Need any translation?  In plain English: there is very little the United
States can or is willing to do about it.
    Unfortunately, both Munro and the president are right.  Being one of United
Nations' five Security Council voting members, one of a dozen or so countries
possesssing nuclear capabilities, and an economic power on the rise, China
has every reason to consider itself an existence to reckon with.
    And nowadays, to reckon with China, the rest of the world (with Hong Kong
and its governor, Christ Patton, being a possible exemption) often has to play
by rules laid down by its opponent.
    It was not that long ago that Congress liked to think it had a way when it
came to dealing with China, banking on that China would cave in if the United
States threatened to revoke its Most Favored Nation (MFN) trading status.  As
years passed by, both parties have learned the better of it -- neither party
wants China's MFN status stripped for reasons that billions of dollars' worth
in trade and hundreds of thousands of jobs are at stake on either side.  In
real-life politics, conscience and morality take a back seat.
    As things stand now, it seems that the China-vs.-the-Western-world
confrontation on human rights issues will continue for some time to come.
Keep in mind that China has a tradition of respecting history (one of its rare
lapses, the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution, only brought about catastrophic
outcomes), and things in China change only when the historical conditions that
necessitated or justifiied their existence become no more.
    Which means that China's human rights situation is unlikely to improve
substantially before its leaders responsible for the 1989 Tiananmen Massacre
fade away in history, and when that time comes, change has a chance.
    Which does not mean, however, that the Western world can not keep up its
pressure in hopes of bringing freedom to more of China's tens of thousands
political and religious prisoners.  In fact, such pressure does reap fruits
occasionally.  And when fruits are measured in terms of freedom of human
beings, any possible effort is worth taking.


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Hi, there:  The following piece appeared in today's Badger Herald, one of
University of Wisconsin-Madison's two student newspapers.  Having read the
article himself, Dr. Weimin Shen, one of long-time activists of UW-Madison-
based CIU (Chinese Independent Union), asked to forward it to CCNL.  The
author so agrees.


Kangcong Zhang
University of Wisconsin-Madison


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KEEP PRESSURE ON CHINA
Recent crackdown demands forceful Western response

By Kangcong Zhang


    China was once again at the political spotlight over the weekend.  As it
is often the case, it got the world's attention not because it had done
something good or right.  Just the contrary -- it did so by rounding up its
most well-known political dissidents.
    Within a period of 72 hours beginning from last Wednesday night, China
detained eight political activists, including the country's most famous
dissident, Wei Jingsheng, who had served a 14-year prison term for his
pro-democracy activities before he was released last September.  Among the
others detained were Wang Dan, a student leader from the 1989 pro-democracy
movement who was also prisoned; Yuan Hongbing, a dissident law professor of
Beijing University; and Quan Yumin and Zhou Guoqiang, two prominent dissidents
known for supporting a peace charter calling for non-violent political reform.
Some of them, including Wei and Wang, were released after being held for 24
hours.  The others have not been so lucky and will have to wait until the
Western world generates greater pressure on the Chinese government.
    The Chinese government's latest crackdown caught the Western world,
especially the United States, by surprise.  Well, not that the crackdown itself
was so surprising.  What was surprising was the timing of the crackdown: it
took place while a State Department human rights envoy headed by Joan
Shattuck, assistant secretary for human rights was visiting China, and a week
before Secretary of State Warren Christopher was scheduled to arrive there for
talks on human rights issues.
    So, what did the Western world read off of all this?  And, more
importantly, how is the Western world going to react?
    Well, to the first question, at least one expert gives a pessimistic
answer.  Rubin Munro, Hong Kong representative of Asia Watch, a New York-
based human rights group, interpreted China's latest crackdown as a defiant
response to pressure to improve its human rights record coming from the
U. S.-led Western world.
    As to the second question, President Clinton's comment pretty much answers
it.  "I have done what I culd to make it clear that the United States does not
seek to isolate China economically or politically," he said, "and that we want
a constructive and strong relationship with them."
    Need any translation?  In plain English: there is very little the United
States can or is willing to do about it.
    Unfortunately, both Munro and the president are right.  Being one of United
Nations' five Security Council voting members, one of a dozen or so countries
possesssing nuclear capabilities, and an economic power on the rise, China
has every reason to consider itself an existence to reckon with.
    And nowadays, to reckon with China, the rest of the world (with Hong Kong
and its governor, Christ Patton, being a possible exemption) often has to play
by rules laid down by its opponent.
    It was not that long ago that Congress liked to think it had a way when it
came to dealing with China, banking on that China would cave in if the United
States threatened to revoke its Most Favored Nation (MFN) trading status.  As
years passed by, both parties have learned the better of it -- neither party
wants China's MFN status stripped for reasons that billions of dollars' worth
in trade and hundreds of thousands of jobs are at stake on either side.  In
real-life politics, conscience and morality take a back seat.
    As things stand now, it seems that the China-vs.-the-Western-world
confrontation on human rights issues will continue for some time to come.
Keep in mind that China has a tradition of respecting history (one of its rare
lapses, the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution, only brought about catastrophic
outcomes), and things in China change only when the historical conditions that
necessitated or justifiied their existence become no more.
    Which means that China's human rights situation is unlikely to improve
substantially before its leaders responsible for the 1989 Tiananmen Massacre
fade away in history, and when that time comes, change has a chance.
    Which does not mean, however, that the Western world can not keep up its
pressure in hopes of bringing freedom to more of China's tens of thousands
political and religious prisoners.  In fact, such pressure does reap fruits
occasionally.  And when fruits are measured in terms of freedom of human
beings, any possible effort is worth taking.


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Hi, there:  The following piece appeared in today's Badger Herald, one of
University of Wisconsin-Madison's two student newspapers.  Having read the
article himself, Dr. Weimin Shen, one of long-time activists of UW-Madison-
based CIU (Chinese Independent Union), asked to forward it to CCNL.  The
author so agrees.


Kangcong Zhang
University of Wisconsin-Madison


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KEEP PRESSURE ON CHINA
Recent crackdown demands forceful Western response

By Kangcong Zhang


    China was once again at the political spotlight over the weekend.  As it
is often the case, it got the world's attention not because it had done
something good or right.  Just the contrary -- it did so by rounding up its
most well-known political dissidents.
    Within a period of 72 hours beginning from last Wednesday night, China
detained eight political activists, including the country's most famous
dissident, Wei Jingsheng, who had served a 14-year prison term for his
pro-democracy activities before he was released last September.  Among the
others detained were Wang Dan, a student leader from the 1989 pro-democracy
movement who was also prisoned; Yuan Hongbing, a dissident law professor of
Beijing University; and Quan Yumin and Zhou Guoqiang, two prominent dissidents
known for supporting a peace charter calling for non-violent political reform.
Some of them, including Wei and Wang, were released after being held for 24
hours.  The others have not been so lucky and will have to wait until the
Western world generates greater pressure on the Chinese government.
    The Chinese government's latest crackdown caught the Western world,
especially the United States, by surprise.  Well, not that the crackdown itself
was so surprising.  What was surprising was the timing of the crackdown: it
took place while a State Department human rights envoy headed by Joan
Shattuck, assistant secretary for human rights was visiting China, and a week
before Secretary of State Warren Christopher was scheduled to arrive there for
talks on human rights issues.
    So, what did the Western world read off of all this?  And, more
importantly, how is the Western world going to react?
    Well, to the first question, at least one expert gives a pessimistic
answer.  Rubin Munro, Hong Kong representative of Asia Watch, a New York-
based human rights group, interpreted China's latest crackdown as a defiant
response to pressure to improve its human rights record coming from the
U. S.-led Western world.
    As to the second question, President Clinton's comment pretty much answers
it.  "I have done what I culd to make it clear that the United States does not
seek to isolate China economically or politically," he said, "and that we want
a constructive and strong relationship with them."
    Need any translation?  In plain English: there is very little the United
States can or is willing to do about it.
    Unfortunately, both Munro and the president are right.  Being one of United
Nations' five Security Council voting members, one of a dozen or so countries
possesssing nuclear capabilities, and an economic power on the rise, China
has every reason to consider itself an existence to reckon with.
    And nowadays, to reckon with China, the rest of the world (with Hong Kong
and its governor, Christ Patton, being a possible exemption) often has to play
by rules laid down by its opponent.
    It was not that long ago that Congress liked to think it had a way when it
came to dealing with China, banking on that China would cave in if the United
States threatened to revoke its Most Favored Nation (MFN) trading status.  As
years passed by, both parties have learned the better of it -- neither party
wants China's MFN status stripped for reasons that billions of dollars' worth
in trade and hundreds of thousands of jobs are at stake on either side.  In
real-life politics, conscience and morality take a back seat.
    As things stand now, it seems that the China-vs.-the-Western-world
confrontation on human rights issues will continue for some time to come.
Keep in mind that China has a tradition of respecting history (one of its rare
lapses, the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution, only brought about catastrophic
outcomes), and things in China change only when the historical conditions that
necessitated or justifiied their existence become no more.
    Which means that China's human rights situation is unlikely to improve
substantially before its leaders responsible for the 1989 Tiananmen Massacre
fade away in history, and when that time comes, change has a chance.
    Which does not mean, however, that the Western world can not keep up its
pressure in hopes of bringing freedom to more of China's tens of thousands
political and religious prisoners.  In fact, such pressure does reap fruits
occasionally.  And when fruits are measured in terms of freedom of human
beings, any possible effort is worth taking.


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Hi, there:  The following piece appeared in today's Badger Herald, one of
University of Wisconsin-Madison's two student newspapers.  Having read the
article himself, Dr. Weimin Shen, one of long-time activists of UW-Madison-
based CIU (Chinese Independent Union), asked to forward it to CCNL.  The
author so agrees.


Kangcong Zhang
University of Wisconsin-Madison


----------------------------------------------------------------------------



KEEP PRESSURE ON CHINA
Recent crackdown demands forceful Western response

By Kangcong Zhang


    China was once again at the political spotlight over the weekend.  As it
is often the case, it got the world's attention not because it had done
something good or right.  Just the contrary -- it did so by rounding up its
most well-known political dissidents.
    Within a period of 72 hours beginning from last Wednesday night, China
detained eight political activists, including the country's most famous
dissident, Wei Jingsheng, who had served a 14-year prison term for his
pro-democracy activities before he was released last September.  Among the
others detained were Wang Dan, a student leader from the 1989 pro-democracy
movement who was also prisoned; Yuan Hongbing, a dissident law professor of
Beijing University; and Quan Yumin and Zhou Guoqiang, two prominent dissidents
known for supporting a peace charter calling for non-violent political reform.
Some of them, including Wei and Wang, were released after being held for 24
hours.  The others have not been so lucky and will have to wait until the
Western world generates greater pressure on the Chinese government.
    The Chinese government's latest crackdown caught the Western world,
especially the United States, by surprise.  Well, not that the crackdown itself
was so surprising.  What was surprising was the timing of the crackdown: it
took place while a State Department human rights envoy headed by Joan
Shattuck, assistant secretary for human rights was visiting China, and a week
before Secretary of State Warren Christopher was scheduled to arrive there for
talks on human rights issues.
    So, what did the Western world read off of all this?  And, more
importantly, how is the Western world going to react?
    Well, to the first question, at least one expert gives a pessimistic
answer.  Rubin Munro, Hong Kong representative of Asia Watch, a New York-
based human rights group, interpreted China's latest crackdown as a defiant
response to pressure to improve its human rights record coming from the
U. S.-led Western world.
    As to the second question, President Clinton's comment pretty much answers
it.  "I have done what I culd to make it clear that the United States does not
seek to isolate China economically or politically," he said, "and that we want
a constructive and strong relationship with them."
    Need any translation?  In plain English: there is very little the United
States can or is willing to do about it.
    Unfortunately, both Munro and the president are right.  Being one of United
Nations' five Security Council voting members, one of a dozen or so countries
possesssing nuclear capabilities, and an economic power on the rise, China
has every reason to consider itself an existence to reckon with.
    And nowadays, to reckon with China, the rest of the world (with Hong Kong
and its governor, Christ Patton, being a possible exemption) often has to play
by rules laid down by its opponent.
    It was not that long ago that Congress liked to think it had a way when it
came to dealing with China, banking on that China would cave in if the United
States threatened to revoke its Most Favored Nation (MFN) trading status.  As
years passed by, both parties have learned the better of it -- neither party
wants China's MFN status stripped for reasons that billions of dollars' worth
in trade and hundreds of thousands of jobs are at stake on either side.  In
real-life politics, conscience and morality take a back seat.
    As things stand now, it seems that the China-vs.-the-Western-world
confrontation on human rights issues will continue for some time to come.
Keep in mind that China has a tradition of respecting history (one of its rare
lapses, the 1966-76 Cultural Revolution, only brought about catastrophic
outcomes), and things in China change only when the historical conditions that
necessitated or justifiied their existence become no more.
    Which means that China's human rights situation is unlikely to improve
substantially before its leaders responsible for the 1989 Tiananmen Massacre
fade away in history, and when that time comes, change has a chance.
    Which does not mean, however, that the Western world can not keep up its
pressure in hopes of bringing freedom to more of China's tens of thousands
political and religious prisoners.  In fact, such pressure does reap fruits
occasionally.  And when fruits are measured in terms of freedom of human
beings, any possible effort is worth taking.


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From: Hongguang  Zhou <labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu>
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From:	Zhou Hongguang, IFCSS Council Member-the Southeast, Council 
	Finance Committee

To:	Dong Liqun, IFCSS Council Chair
	Ding Yungui, IFCSS Council Co-chair
Cc:	Lin Changsheng, IFCSS HQ
Date:	3/10/94
RE:	Reimbursement for Rental car

Liqun and Yungui:

	This morning of March 10, 1994, I spoke with Lin Changsheng over 
telephone for the second time after he returned from the trip to Taiwan 
regarding the reimbursement for the car rental. Changsheng told me again 
that he still needs a written note from both of you saying the Council was 
notified and you approved such rental before he can reimburse for me, 
even Yungui has signed on my reimbursement sheet for the rental. He 
says that such a note can be sent to the HQ either by e-mail or fax with 
your signature. Please do it as soon as you can.

	In case you have any questions, please contact me or Changsheng.

	Thanks and regards,

Hongguang(signed)
	
*-------------------------------------------------------------*
| Hongguang Zhou            Voice:              (404)727-0641 |
| Emory University          Fax:                (404)727-0372 |
| Atlanta, GA 30322         Internet:labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu |
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From: Hongguang  Zhou <labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu>
Subject: MEMO #4 on reimbursement for Bai Yan
To: ifcss <council-l@ifcss.org>, council-wn@ifcss.org, ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU,
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From:	Zhou Hongguang, Coordinator, IFCSS Council Financial Inspection Team

To:	Dong Liqun, IFCSS Council Chair
	Ding Yungui, IFCSS Council Co-chair
	Lin Changsheng, President, IFCSS HQ
	Luo Lishi, Coordinator, IFCSS SVC

Date:	3/10/94

RE:	Reimbursement for Bai Yan

Liqun and Yungui:

	This morning of March 10, 1994, I also spoke with Lin Changsheng over 
telephone for the second time after he returned from the trip to Taiwan 
regarding the reimbursement for Bai Yan's airticket of the November, 1993 
site inspection in Washington, DC. Changsheng says that he still 
expects a written permission from both the Council and SVC on this 
matter. During the "working meeting" in Washington, DC this Feburary, I 
learned that Bai Yan's airfare would soon be reimbursed after the closing 
of the meeting. Changsheng this morning mentioned again that Shen Tong 
told him that Bai Yan's ticket would be reimbursed soon. However, such 
promises has not yet materialized. Again, Changsheng is asking for a 
decision from the Council and SVC. 

	Therefore, I would like to ask Liqun, Yungui and Lishi to act 
together and quickly to get this very simple issue solved by issuing a 
joint memo. Please send your joint memo with all your signatures by 
e-mail or fax to Changsheng. Please do it as soon as you can.

	In case you have any questions, please contact me or Changsheng.

	Thanks and regards,

Hongguang(signed)
	
*-------------------------------------------------------------*
| Hongguang Zhou            Voice:              (404)727-0641 |
| Emory University          Fax:                (404)727-0372 |
| Atlanta, GA 30322         Internet:labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu |
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From bgqi@medinfo.rochester.edu  Thu Mar 10 14:48:13 1994
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Dear Council members and HQ staffs:

I saw some funny things going on for Hongguang's reimbursement, which is at 
least embarrassing!

We know that there are different points of views for a lot of issues within our 
council and between council and HQ. But it should really has nothing to do with 
reimbursement things. Obviouly somebody is playing a game on this. 

It's a shame!

Should I remind everybody how some HQ staff's travel budget (including  trip to 
Austrilia and a so-called 'private' trip to China) was passed?

Hey, come on. Do some decent job, you guy who takes the salary in the HQ!

Qi Bing.

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I am very much lost! How a regular reimbursement becomes such a
issue. Nuisance.

Hongguang, I'll try to get hold of Liqun, and have some communication
with the HQ.

Yungui

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Since the DC meeting, due to the Taiwan trip, the Council seems to
be in almost complete silence. 

Now it is good that everyone is back to place. Hope the Council 
will get to function again.

Minutes and news release are supposed to follow Council's meetings.
We have had two in the past months (the email conference, and
the regular conference in DC), however I have not seen anything
coming out yet. Could Chen Dong take the duty and compile the
minutes, resolutions, and vote record, and release it to the
Council members for proofreading, and to the public for them to
know what the Council has done and is doing? 


Yungui

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From:	IN%"yuhe@cumulus.gcn.uoknor.edu" 10-MAR-1994 16:42:40.71
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Hi, Yungui:

As I know, Chen Dong is supposed in China. His China trip may take
two-three weeks. So the Council may assign another member to take the
duty or wait for his back. According to the IFCSS Bylaws, the minutes
should be published in one week after the Council conference. Therefore,
please do not wait for him.


Yuhe

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From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
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To: IFCSS Council, IFCSS HQ
From: Dong Liqun, Chair of IFCSS Council


Dear Council Colleagues:

      I will leave for Hong Kong tommorrow and will be busy at other 
travels in the next month. So, I can not be in charge of the Council's 
business. According to the IFCSS Council's Bylaw, I have talked with 
Ding, Yungui, Co-chair of IFCSS Council, and asked him to conduct all 
relevant Council's activites. 

      There are several issues we council need to pay attention on are:
        1. MFN debate; (Personally, I do support the survey conducted by 
IFCSS New Comer Committee. But because of Taiwan trip and other reasons, 
the Council cannot have any resolution on this hot topic. Here I don't 
want to make any comment on Shi, Heping's MFN testimony. But at least, I 
should state here that his testimony can not be treated as the position 
of the Council on MFN.) 
        2. Professionalization on IFCSS Financial System;
        3. Preparation of IFCSS 6 Da.



Liqun Dong (signed)
Chair of IFCSS Council

From songlin@buphy.bu.edu  Mon Mar 14 08:29:20 1994
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>From plu@newssun.med.miami.edu  Sat Mar 12 02:23:24 1994
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Dear council members:


I received a letter to IFCSS  council from a student in south florida.
As he required, I forward it  to the council and CND.   


Thank you for your attention.

Lu Ping
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               A LETTER TO IFCSS COUNCIL

After reading one of the council members, Mr. Zhou
Hongguang's statement on IFCSS VP Shi Heping 's
testimony and the editor's note from March 9 CCF
(another council member Ding Yungui happens  to be  the
editor-in-chief), I have some questions to the council.

China's MFN status has been a hot issue since I first
learned about IFCSS.  I and many colleges are very
proud of the position IFCSS has taken on this issue. 
To promote human rights in China is one of the
principles in IFCSS's constitution.  It has been well
recognized that IFCSS has done a great job with other
organizations on this aspect.  It is very clear that
IFCSS's goal is significant improvement in human rights
situation in China not damaging Sino-US relationship
nor China economic development.  Since President
Clinton gave the Executive Order to renew China's MFN
last year, this issue has drawn a lot attention from US
congress,  business society and news media. The
resolutions on attaching human rights to China MFN
status  were passed by the 3th and 4th IFCSS
Conference.  I'm not aware that there has been any
debate on this issue in IFCSS after the 5th IFCSS 
Conference.   Now, one council member made the
statement, as he were the IFCSS Council spokesperson,
on MFN " I do not think Mr. Shi's position is that of
the IFCSS Council", "the IFCSS Council should not be
responsible for the 'position' Mr. Shi took on the MFN
issue". Since I am not connected with council net, I
have these questions: Has this council ever had any
resolution  or discussion on HUMAN RIGHTS and MFN
issues?  Does the council realize and care about what
happened to political dissidents in China in recent
weeks which got world's attention?  What is the
Council's position on human rights and MFN issues? 
Does Mr. Zhou's statement represent the council's
position?  Have  council members contacted with the
local CSS for whom they claim to represent on such
important issues like MFN and  human rights ?

I thought that the council is the decision-making body
not somebody just  watching and judging what HQ has
done is right or wrong, especially since some of its
members  have not been proved if they really have the
expertise to do so, as showed in the financial issue.
I feel this council (at least some members of it)  has
the intention to keep itself in dark.  Not true? I
heard it has a closed WORKING net for itself.  However,
do not keep us CSS in dark, please.  Has this council
ever discussed, and more important make effort to carry
on  IFCSS's  programs, fund raising or anything other
than IFCSS FINANCIAL issue? How much money this council
has spent itself and on what business?  Should these
bills open to the public for inspection? Can any
council members speak on the behalf of the council?  It
happened  several times, but the council Chair never
questioned it. 

I'd like to hear the council's position on these
important issues.  As CSS, we have the right to ask, to
show our concern, to urge the council and council
members to take actions on important issues following
IFCSS's constitution and carry on the resolutions
passed by the Conference.  Before I get the answers 
from the council, I have serious doubt, (I hope I'm wrong),
Can  this council act as the Board of
Directors of the IFCSS on important issues like MFN,
human rights?  Whether some council members are still
qualified for the position they once were elected?

I sincerely hope that the council will not let IFCSS
and CSS down.

A student from south Florida


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Dear council members:


I received a letter to IFCSS  council from a student in south florida.
As he required, I forward it  to the council and CND.   


Thank you for your attention.

Lu Ping
*******************************************************

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               A LETTER TO IFCSS COUNCIL

After reading one of the council members, Mr. Zhou
Hongguang's statement on IFCSS VP Shi Heping 's
testimony and the editor's note from March 9 CCF
(another council member Ding Yungui happens  to be  the
editor-in-chief), I have some questions to the council.

China's MFN status has been a hot issue since I first
learned about IFCSS.  I and many colleges are very
proud of the position IFCSS has taken on this issue. 
To promote human rights in China is one of the
principles in IFCSS's constitution.  It has been well
recognized that IFCSS has done a great job with other
organizations on this aspect.  It is very clear that
IFCSS's goal is significant improvement in human rights
situation in China not damaging Sino-US relationship
nor China economic development.  Since President
Clinton gave the Executive Order to renew China's MFN
last year, this issue has drawn a lot attention from US
congress,  business society and news media. The
resolutions on attaching human rights to China MFN
status  were passed by the 3th and 4th IFCSS
Conference.  I'm not aware that there has been any
debate on this issue in IFCSS after the 5th IFCSS 
Conference.   Now, one council member made the
statement, as he were the IFCSS Council spokesperson,
on MFN " I do not think Mr. Shi's position is that of
the IFCSS Council", "the IFCSS Council should not be
responsible for the 'position' Mr. Shi took on the MFN
issue". Since I am not connected with council net, I
have these questions: Has this council ever had any
resolution  or discussion on HUMAN RIGHTS and MFN
issues?  Does the council realize and care about what
happened to political dissidents in China in recent
weeks which got world's attention?  What is the
Council's position on human rights and MFN issues? 
Does Mr. Zhou's statement represent the council's
position?  Have  council members contacted with the
local CSS for whom they claim to represent on such
important issues like MFN and  human rights ?

I thought that the council is the decision-making body
not somebody just  watching and judging what HQ has
done is right or wrong, especially since some of its
members  have not been proved if they really have the
expertise to do so, as showed in the financial issue.
I feel this council (at least some members of it)  has
the intention to keep itself in dark.  Not true? I
heard it has a closed WORKING net for itself.  However,
do not keep us CSS in dark, please.  Has this council
ever discussed, and more important make effort to carry
on  IFCSS's  programs, fund raising or anything other
than IFCSS FINANCIAL issue? How much money this council
has spent itself and on what business?  Should these
bills open to the public for inspection? Can any
council members speak on the behalf of the council?  It
happened  several times, but the council Chair never
questioned it. 

I'd like to hear the council's position on these
important issues.  As CSS, we have the right to ask, to
show our concern, to urge the council and council
members to take actions on important issues following
IFCSS's constitution and carry on the resolutions
passed by the Conference.  Before I get the answers 
from the council, I have serious doubt, (I hope I'm wrong),
Can  this council act as the Board of
Directors of the IFCSS on important issues like MFN,
human rights?  Whether some council members are still
qualified for the position they once were elected?

I sincerely hope that the council will not let IFCSS
and CSS down.

A student from south Florida


From ifcss@wam.umd.edu  Mon Mar 14 15:03:52 1994
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  IFCSS HQ WEEKLY JOURNAL (March 7-11, 1994)
  ==============================================

The IFCSS HQ Weekly Journal is published weekly to provide
information on the IFCSS Headquarters daily activities. It aims
to increase the openness and transparency of the IFCSS, and to
encourage criticisms, suggestions and active participation from
our members.


               March 7, Monday
HQ sent out news release no.5119 asking for signatures on a letter
to President Clinton requesting visa extensions for Chinese
students not covered under the CSPA.

Lin Changsheng and Liu Xiaozhu returned to the HQ following their
trip to Taiwan.

               March 8, Tuesday
HQ Staff contacted NED regarding ongoing and new projects for
IFCSS.

HQ called local school leaders asking for their signatures on the
letter to President Clinton (NR.5119)

HQ lobbied more congressional offices for support of letter to
Secretary Christopher.

               March 9, Wednesday
HQ continued to contact local schools for their signatures on
letter to President Clinton.

HQ staff worked on the Hu Liqun's case concerning a discriminitory
converting chart at the Ball State University.

HQ spoke with the law firm of Arent Fox regarding the progress on
support for new comer's visa extension.

               March 10, Thursday
HQ sent out news release no.5120 regarding updated air fares.

HQ continued to contact local student organizations for support for
letter to President Clinton.

HQ worked with the Arent Fox regarding the 90 day issue of the
CSPA.

               March 11, Friday
HQ Staff met with two representatives from the Goverment Accounting
Office (GAO) regarding their preparation of a report on the human
rights situation in China.

HQ Staff conducted an interview with KPSA Radio in Berekely,
California regarding Secretary Christopher's trip to China.

HQ sent out new release no.5121 asking for more support of letter
to President Clinton (NR.5119)

****************************************************************

President             Lin Changsheng
Vice President        Shi Heping (On Leave)
Executive Director    Liu Xiaozhu
Chief of Staff        Huang Songyun

****************************************************************

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Subject: IFCSS Council tries hard not to let CSS down: A reply to a student from south Florida
To: Ping Lu - Surgery <plu@newssun.med.miami.edu>
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To:	A student from South Florida

	Thank you for your attention to the IFCSS and its Council affairs. 

	As a Council Member from the Southeast, I have always believed wide 
and deep participation by CSS across the States in the IFCSS running and 
affirs is of vital importance for the IFCSS existance and development, for 
its Constitution stipulates quite clearly that the IFCSS is a natinal 
level coordination organization representing the interest of all the CSS in 
the USA. 

	Ever since I was elected to the 5th Council, I have made every 
effort along with my colleages to promote transparency of the IFCSS 
operation. Because we deem that, IFCSS is a not-for-profit corporate 
registered in Maryland, IFCSS has to have the accountibility for its 
members or constituents. Also the IFCSS Headquaters is only the 
executive branch of the IFCSS, it must operate under the scruntiny of the 
IFCSS members. Further, because the Council is the legal persons of the 
IFCSS, the Council has to be responsible for the behavior of the IFCSS. 
That's why the HQ should consult with the Council over major issues that 
may have great implications to the CSS community. Take the financial 
operation of the IFCSS for an instance, IFCSS HQ has to keep a clear 
accounting book. This is not only the responsibility of the HQ for the 
IFCSS members and donors, but also required by the US laws. 

	What's why the Council Financial Inspection Team has worked so 
hard to bring the IFCSS financial problems that has existed for years 
with the IFCSS into light. That's also the basic mentality of the Open 
Letter by the Council Finance Committee. What's why the job done by the IT 
is teamwork.

	You're absolutely right that 

> China's MFN status has been a hot issue since I first
> learned about IFCSS.

	That's why the Council Co-chair Ding Yungui, upon learned that IFCSS 
Officer was going to testify on the China's MFN before the US Congress 
THROUHG OTHER CHANNEL RATHER THAN from OUR OWN  HQ, urged that the HQ 
keep the Council informed of the development of the matter by sending a 
memo thro the council-wn, the closed net you mentioned. Howver, the HQ did 
not bother to inform the Council of the position its was going to take on 
the MFN until after the IFCSS Vice President Shi Heping finished the 
testimony. As a matter of fact, the HQ did not inform the public even it 
had sufficient time to do so. As this, please refer the IFCSS Weekly 
Journal before the week in which Shi testified. 

	Who tried to keep who in dark is of no question.

	That's why I stated that the Council should not be responsible for 
the testimony of the HS on this issue.

	Interesting is that after he testified, Mr. Shi sent a personal 
statement on the issue to the Council thro the council-wn, the closed 
net. Again, it is not the Council has tried to keep the public in dark on 
the issues concerning them.

	Sure, there some Council Members also like to keep the public in 
dark on the dispute with the Council and between the Council and the HQ. 
For example, the bill sponsored by Chen Dong, a Council Member from the U 
of Maryland, contains the constraints on the public knowing what's going 
on within the IFCSS. The bill also limits the discussion of the IFCSS 
within the council-wn, the closed net which I would like to abolish. Of 
cause I vote NO to that bill.

	You are also right that the expendenure of the Council should 
open to the public. But how about the HQ, the largest expending unit 
within the IFCSS? Do you want the HQ open its expendenture book? Of 
cause, I would bet you would say. Am I right?

	To tell you the true, as the acting head of the Council Financial 
Committee, I have no idea what's current financial status of the IFCSS. 
Reasons? I have not received any updated financial statement so far.

	In short, we, the IFCSS Council Members, have fight hard in order 
not to let CSS down by letting the public know the operation of the IFCSS, 
because we believe the public's RIGHT TO  KNOW, the RIGHT TO  ENQURY and 
RIGHT TO QUESTION are the cornerstones of the principles of the democracy 
on which the IFCSS claims to exist and operate.

	Hope above can be helpful to your underastanding of and support for 
our commitment to the wellbeing of the IFCSS.

	Thanks and regards,

Sincerely,

Zhou Hongguang
Council Member from the Southeast
---------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 11 Mar 1994, Ping Lu - Surgery 
wrote:

> Dear council members:
> 
> 
> I received a letter to IFCSS  council from a student in south florida.
> As he required, I forward it  to the council and CND.   
> 
> 
> Thank you for your attention.
> 
> Lu Ping
> *******************************************************
> 
> Seceived: by newssun.med.miami.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1)
> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 18:15:46 EST
> 
>                A LETTER TO IFCSS COUNCIL
> 
> China's MFN status has been a hot issue since I first
> learned about IFCSS.  



> Conference.  I'm not aware that there has been any
> debate on this issue in IFCSS after the 5th IFCSS 


> Now, one council member made the
> statement, as he were the IFCSS Council spokesperson,
> on MFN " I do not think Mr. Shi's position is that of
> the IFCSS Council", "the IFCSS Council should not be
> responsible for the 'position' Mr. Shi took on the MFN
> issue". Since I am not connected with council net, I
> have these questions: Has this council ever had any
> resolution  or discussion on HUMAN RIGHTS and MFN
> issues?  Does the council realize and care about what
> happened to political dissidents in China in recent
> weeks which got world's attention?  What is the
> Council's position on human rights and MFN issues? 
> Does Mr. Zhou's statement represent the council's
> position?  Have  council members contacted with the
> local CSS for whom they claim to represent on such
> important issues like MFN and  human rights ?
> 
> I thought that the council is the decision-making body
> not somebody just  watching and judging what HQ has
> done is right or wrong, especially since some of its
> members  have not been proved if they really have the
> expertise to do so, as showed in the financial issue.
> I feel this council (at least some members of it)  has
> the intention to keep itself in dark.  Not true? I
> heard it has a closed WORKING net for itself.  However,
> do not keep us CSS in dark, please.  Has this council
> ever discussed, and more important make effort to carry
> on  IFCSS's  programs, fund raising or anything other
> than IFCSS FINANCIAL issue? How much money this council
> has spent itself and on what business?  Should these
> bills open to the public for inspection? Can any
> council members speak on the behalf of the council?  It
> happened  several times, but the council Chair never
> questioned it. 
> 
> I'd like to hear the council's position on these
> important issues.  As CSS, we have the right to ask, to
> show our concern, to urge the council and council
> members to take actions on important issues following
> IFCSS's constitution and carry on the resolutions
> passed by the Conference.  Before I get the answers 
> from the council, I have serious doubt, (I hope I'm wrong),
> Can  this council act as the Board of
> Directors of the IFCSS on important issues like MFN,
> human rights?  Whether some council members are still
> qualified for the position they once were elected?
> 
> I sincerely hope that the council will not let IFCSS
> and CSS down.
> 
> A student from south Florida
> 





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Subject: IFCSS Council tries hard not to let CSS down: An Appedix   Reimbursement for Bai Yan, and Hongguang (fwd)
To: Lu Ping <plu@newssun.med.miami.edu>, ifcss <council-l@ifcss.org>,
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Lu Ping:

Would you please foward this message along with the reply to the student 
from South Florida at your convenience. Appreciate it.

Thanks and regards,

Hongguang

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 16:35:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
To: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Cc: Zhou Hongguang <labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu>,
    IFCSS Council <council-wn@ifcss.org>
Subject: Reimbursement for Bai Yan, and Hongguang

Dear Changsheng and Xiaozhu:

      As we discussed at DC meeting, there shouldn't be a big dispute on 
the reimbursement for Bai Yan and Hongguang after the meeting. It makes 
many council members feel aweful if IFCSS even leaves a simple thing 
unsolved after several months pasted. Let's set down it and focus on many 
other more important issues. Here, I formally require to reimburse Ban 
Yan (inspection work to DC) and Hongguang (airplane ticket and Van rental 
for DC round table meeting).

      BTW, has Jeff Lin finished all parts of IFCSS financial report and 
recommondation on the IFCSS finance regulation and formats? Please 
forward them as soon as posibble to Ding Yungui, Qi Bin, Liu Chen, Zhou 
Hongguang, and Bai Yan. 

      Keep in touch.


Liqun (signed)
Chair of the IFCSS Council



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Dear Changsheng and HQ staff,

I agree with Liqun that the reimbursement is a simple issue and should
be not be a problem. Please inform the Council of any progress regarding
this matter. Please also feel free to contact me if I could be of 
further help. 

I have enclosed Liqun's message to the HQ to avoid repeating the points.

Sincerely,

Yungui Ding

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 16:35:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
To: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Cc: Zhou Hongguang <labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu>,
    IFCSS Council <council-wn@ifcss.org>
Subject: Reimbursement for Bai Yan, and Hongguang

Dear Changsheng and Xiaozhu:

      As we discussed at DC meeting, there shouldn't be a big dispute on 
the reimbursement for Bai Yan and Hongguang after the meeting. It makes 
many council members feel aweful if IFCSS even leaves a simple thing 
unsolved after several months pasted. Let's set down it and focus on many 
other more important issues. Here, I formally require to reimburse Ban 
Yan (inspection work to DC) and Hongguang (airplane ticket and Van rental 
for DC round table meeting).

      BTW, has Jeff Lin finished all parts of IFCSS financial report and 
recommondation on the IFCSS finance regulation and formats? Please 
forward them as soon as posibble to Ding Yungui, Qi Bin, Liu Chen, Zhou 
Hongguang, and Bai Yan. 

      Keep in touch.


Liqun (signed)
Chair of the IFCSS Council



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Dear Ping Lu and the student in S Florida

Thank you for your contacting the Council regarding IFCSS business.
My colleague Mr Ren Songlin has made your letter known to all the
Council members in the email network. I believe all of my colleagues
will be very serious about the concerns you raise in the letter. 

By the way, I would like to point out that your letter made it a little
unclear so that it implies Mr Zhou Hongguang's statement was carried
by CCF with an editor's note. That was not the case, therefore your
letter is a little misleading in this regard.

I would like also to kindly point to you that IFCSS Council and CCF on
China-net are two independent entities. "Independent" means one is
one, the other is the other, each deals with its own businesses in 
its own way. You may want to raise your comment/complaint/follow-up 
about CCF to CCF because the IFCSS Council has not jurisdiction over
non-IFCSS organizations. Mixing things up will only mess it up.

Sincerely,

Yungui Ding
Council member

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Dear colleagues,

As pointed out by Mr. Liu Yuhe, the Council has to publicize its
conference minute after any business meetings. We have not done so
for the last two such meetings (email conference and DC regular meeting).
Since Chen Dong is now traveling in China, I would like to call for 
some volunteers to do it as soon as possible. 

Since all the record was kept by Chen Dong, please everyone provide whatever
you have for the record of the DC meeting (agenda, resolutions, voting 
record, etc.) and post to the net so that they can be checked and used.


There are many things going on in and related to IFCSS. If you have any
concerns, please raise it to the Council and keep other Council members
informed. 


Yungui Ding


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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 11:24:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Shuguang Hong <cisssh@gsusgi2.gsu.edu>
To: labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu
Subject: Problems with IFCSS' Constitution

Dear Mr. Hongguang Zhou,

It is very intested in reading your reply to a student from South Florida. 
I have not involved in IFCSS and feel very uncomfortable with how IFCSS
handle the Chinese affairs on those important issues, such as MFN. It is
true that "Constitution stipulates quite clearly that the IFCSS is a 
natinal level coordination organization representing the interest of all 
the CSS in the USA."  However, this statement is just a wish and does not
                                                        ^^^^
give any legal right for IFCSS to take actions on behalf of ALL THE CSS IN THE 
USA without the approval of the majority of the CSS. Unless IFCSS
                ^^^^^^^^
knows what is the interest of all the CSS in the USA, how could IFCSS 
represent them?  The whole world around us, including China, is changing 
every minute, so is the interest of the majority of CSS in USA.  As shown
in the polls conducted by an individual and IFCSS for the MFN issue, the 
number quite clearly indicated the trend of change among the CSS.

My point is, IFCSS must change and must adopt to the new trend if IFCSS
still wishes to represent "the interest of all the CSS", or IFCSS is out
of the mainstream of the CSS. Also, if IFCSS wants to takes actions on behalf
of IFCSS organization, that's nobody's business.  However, if IFCSS positions
itself as the representative of "all the CSS in the USA", there is an
legal issue here to be straighted up.  How can IFCSS self-appoint such
authority or how can IFCSS prove that it has such authority?  There is
a very clear distinguish between "wish" and "authority".  Unless the majority
of the CSS in the US vote for such representative, legally speaking, IFCSS
does not have the authority.

I do not think I am alone.  A signficant percentage of the CSS in US has 
not access to e-mail system. For those who have the access, the percentage
of approval rate for IFCSS could be very low. Unless an independent survey
or poll is conducted and supervised, such question can not be answered.

I wish my warning could reach to the policy makers of IFCSS.  I use the
term "warning" here because I do not want to see what I said here is true
or become true.

Your next door neighbor

Shuguang Hong
GSU



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Reply-To: Hongguang Zhou <labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu>
Subject: Memo #5 Reimbursement for Bai Yan, and Hongguag
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From:	Zhou Hongguang (signed)
	IFCSS Council Member from the Southeast, 
	IFCSS Council Finance Committee

To:	Lin Changsheng, IFCSS President

Date:	March 21, 1994

Memo #5 on Reimbursement for Bai Yan, and Hongguag


Changsheng and Xiaozhu:

	Since I do not have your home phone numbers, I had to call 
Songyun over the weekend to see whether you have had reimbursed me and 
Bai Yan according to your requirement. Liqun and Yungui have sent the 
following approvals to you as per your requirement. Please proceed the 
procedure as soon as possible. In case you need a hard copy of their 
appoval, please let me know.

	In case you have already done the reimbursement, please ignore 
this message.

	Your prompt action on this matter would be appreciated. Thanks 
for your attention.

Enc:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 15:17:44 -0600 (CST)
From:DING@vaxld.ameslab.gov
To: ifcss@wam.umd.edu
Cc: council-wn@ifcss.org, council-l@ifcss.org
Subject: Re: Reimbursement for Bai Yan, and Hongguag

Dear Changsheng and HQ staff,

I agree with Liqun that the reimbursement is a simple issue and should
be not be a problem. Please inform the Council of any progress regarding
this matter. Please also feel free to contact me if I could be of 
further help. 

I have enclosed Liqun's message to the HQ to avoid repeating the points.

Sincerely,

Yungui Ding

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 16:35:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Liqun Dong <dlq@u.washington.edu>
To: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Cc: Zhou Hongguang <labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu>,
    IFCSS Council <council-wn@ifcss.org>
Subject: Reimbursement for Bai Yan, and Hongguang

Dear Changsheng and Xiaozhu:

      As we discussed at DC meeting, there shouldn't be a big dispute on 
the reimbursement for Bai Yan and Hongguang after the meeting. It makes 
many council members feel aweful if IFCSS even leaves a simple thing 
unsolved after several months pasted. Let's set down it and focus on many 
other more important issues. Here, I formally require to reimburse Ban 
Yan (inspection work to DC) and Hongguang (airplane ticket and Van rental 
for DC round table meeting).

      BTW, has Jeff Lin finished all parts of IFCSS financial report and 
recommondation on the IFCSS finance regulation and formats? Please 
forward them as soon as posibble to Ding Yungui, Qi Bin, Liu Chen, Zhou 
Hongguang, and Bai Yan. 

      Keep in touch.


Liqun (signed)
Chair of the IFCSS Council






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IFCSS HQ Memo

To: IFCSS Council

From: IFCSS HQ


Council Members:

The following is the proposal HQ received yesterday
for 6th IFCSS Congress from University of Wisconsin-Madison.

Please let us know of your decision ASAP.

Thank you,

====================================================

          Proposal for IFCSS Sixth Congress
                         by
           University of Wisconsin-Madison
          =================================


Time:     The IFCSS 6th Congress will be held between July 21,                  
          (thursday) - July 24, (sunday)

Lodge:    There will be two person/room and $10.50/person/night.
          Delegates will be staying in center of of school where 
          is about 5 minutes walk from the conference room.

Meal:     At school cafeteria,the breakfast cost $4.50
          the lunch cost $ 5.00 and th dinner cost $10.00
          Note: For the dinner, local chinese restaurent will         
          take care for less than $5.00/person)

Conference:    Rm 3650, Humanity Building which can hold
               500 people in it. Movie can be showed in it.

Volunteer:     There are about 10-30 people helping the
               conference depend on the need.

Airport:  There is a international airport in Madison.
          Also, delegates can fly to Milwaukee, WI. It is about
          one hour drive from Wilwaukee to Madison.



From dong  Wed Mar 30 16:38:32 1994
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I just came back and didn't know what is going on.
I was told by a friend that I was accused for something.
So I diged out this mail from honorable Mr. Zhou Hongguang,

>Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 21:06:55 CST
>From: Hongguang Zhou <labhgz@unix.cc.emory.edu>
....
>For example, the bill sponsored by Chen Dong, a Council Member from the U 
>of Maryland, contains the constraints on the public knowing what's going 
>on within the IFCSS. The bill also limits the discussion of the IFCSS 
>within the council-wn, the closed net which I would like to abolish. Of 
>cause I vote NO to that bill.

Pardon my bad memory, could somebody remind me which bill ?
As many people know, from the very begining, my principle is to keep
every thing open. Now I am confused. Probably somebody know me better than
myself can light me up.

Dong Chen,



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Subject: Proposal for hosting the 6th IFCSS Congress from UN-Chapel Hill
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Dear Council Members:

Following is the proposal for hosting the 6th IFCSS Congress from
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
==================================================================

1. Housing

    On-campus housing will be available during the dates of July 18-July 
30,1994. 
    Housing rates: $11.00 per person/double occupancy per night without 
                   linen rental.
                   $13.00 per person/double occupancy per night with 
                   linen rental.

2. Dining

    The daily rate per person is about 5 dollars.(The manager of one 
restaurant is a friend of Liu Jian. He can offer a pretty good price.) 
Delivery will be no problem. 

3. Transportation

    Raleigh-Durham International Airport is about 15-20 miles from Chapel 
Hill. Most of the big airlines such as American, USAir, UA, Delta, NW, 
etc, operate in RDU. (Raleigh was ranked No.1 best city for business by 
Fortune magazine last year. The Triangle area hosts hundreds of foreign 
companies. The transportation is perfect in this area.) 

4. Volunteer

    We'll have 25-30 volunteers during the meeting.      

5. Meeting Place

    We can use a big classroom for free whenever there is no class(That's 
the place we played movies or video tapes to CSS.) 
 
The above are the basic information. If you need further information, 
please let me know.  

Wang Ji Ming
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
919-914-1291


From DING@vaxld.ameslab.gov  Thu Mar 31 15:33:42 1994
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Chen Dong,

You may want to compile a minute for each of the two Council
conferences (Email conference, and the DC working meeting)
which is over due.


Yungui Ding

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Status: RO

I will try to finish that as soon as possible.
My appology to everybody.


