From owner-china-nt@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Wed Aug 17 00:36:58 1994 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 00:29:07 -0400 Reply-To: ccf-editor@ifcss.org Sender: China-Net From: ccf-editor@ifcss.org Subject: Chinese Community Forum (CCF), Issue #9444. Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu To: Multiple recipients of list CHINA-NT ==+==+==+== C h i n e s e C o m m u n i t y F o r u m ==+==+==+=== Wednesday, August 17, 1994 (Issue No. 9444) +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Chinese Community Forum (CCF) is an e-journal published on China-Net. CCF is dedicated to the discussion on the issues related to the Chinese community. The opinions expressed here do not necessarily represent the views of the Editorial Board of CCF. Contributions to the discussions and suggestions of new topics are very much appreciated. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= # of Table of Contents Author | Lines ===========***==========***==========**==========***==========***=========== --*-- China Watch --*-- 1. It's A Small World: American Teens Are A Big Talent In China ..... ...................................................... M. Brauchli 123 --*-- Gazing Across The Ocean --*-- 2. Learning About Chinese In California .................. G. Kemnitz 125 --*-- Readers' Interaction --*-- 3. The Fuzzy Logic And Free Speech ....................... Cheng Ming 83 4. Double Check Your Claim ...................................... Shi 26 5. C. Yang's Response ....................................... C. Yang 43 --*-- Childhood Dreams --*-- 6. My Childhood Dreams ................................... Andrew Lei 69 ===========***==========***==========**==========***==========***=========== -- From The Editor -- "It's easier to come back to China than to go to America". Do you believe these are the words from an American girl? We are sure that you'll be convinced if you go through the first article in this issue, which we hope you'll find very interesting. Just as interesting is the second article, in which Mr Greg Kemnitz, an American again, tells us how he is deeply interested in China and Chinese people. The difference is that he mingles with the Chinese in his own country, while the girl, Mika, referred to in the first article lives in China. Next, we present you a section named "Readers' Interaction". Physicists claim that there are only four basic interactions, gravitational, weak, electromagnetism, and strong. Now, we "discovered" the fifth: personal. Don't you think that this is a much more colorful and tasty interaction? Well, get a feeling for yourself from the articles in this section. Finally, Mr Lei tells us about his dreams since his childhood. Through these dreams, we actually see a mini-movie about the life of our generation: how and why we dreamed and are dreaming, and how we did and are doing for (or because of) these dreams. Isn't it true that great things always start from great dreams? Hope you'll enjoy this issue and tell us more of your stories. -- Editor's Note -- The issue number of the last edition of the CCF (released on 8/10/94) should be #9443 (was released as #9442). We apologize for the mistake. ===========***==========***==========**==========***==========***=========== 1. It's A Small World: American Teens Are A Big Talent In China ...... ....................................................... M. Brauchli 123 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's show time at Nanjing Cable Television. Fatigue-clad Young Pioneers -- China's version of Scouts -- display their revolutionary fervor by making leg splints with red bandanas and bearing away an eight-year-old comrade on a homemade stretcher. Party elders and children dressed as People's Liberation Army troops clap diligently. Then something really revolutionary happens: A recording of "It's s Small, Small World" crescendos as two American girls skip on stage. Mika and Charlotte MacInnis sing and sway through a Chinese rendition of the song. Delighted, Communists and children applaud boisterously. As the Americans leave the stage, a skinny young fan in a tutu rushes over, bursting with a question for the foreign talent: "Why are Americans so white? Is it because you drink so much milk?" Talented Teens Mike and Charlotte are finding that being a famous foreigner in China means being part celebrity, part curiosity. "A lot of Chinese think we're strange," says 13-year-old, fair-haired Charlotte. "But we're just typical Americans." Americans, yes; typical, no. Charlotte and her 15-year-old, brunette sister Mika are cross-cultural pioneers: Chinese-speaking, culturally adroit, _foreign_ TV stars in a society rapidly becoming suffused with Western culture. Daughters of an American Bible-publisher-turned-business-consultant, they grew up mainly in China, attended primary school and studied performing arts here. Their careers rocketed after they emceed a bilingual business conference. Now, they appeared on TV singing Beijing Opera and doing rapid-fire comic dialogues, known as _xiangsheng_, in classical Chinese. Such talents are uncommon even among Chinese. Many people can't understand sophisticated _xiangsheng_ puns. But Mika and Charlotte have become celebrities as much because of their nationality as their talent. In one routine, they recite, "As Chairman Mao taught us to say, 'Be modest and you'll progress. Be too proud and you'll regress.'" Chinese audiences love to hear Americans repeat those lines, Charlotte says: "All the cadres sitting in the front row just die." A decade and a half after opening to the world, China still hasn't received the parade of foreign celebrities seen in, for instance, Japan, with its myriad _gaijin_ baseball players, entertainers and talkshow guests. About the only foreigners of durable fame in China are Marx and Lenin. A rank below them is Mark Rowswell, a 29-year-old Canadian known to millions of Chinese as "Da Shan," or Big Mountain -- "a typical illiterate, country-bumpkin kind of name," he says. His televised skits raze the "stupid foreigner" image in a rattle of Chinese rhymes. After years in the kleig lights, Mr. Rowswell has vaulted into a public-affairs job at Canada's embassy in Beijing, though he still does occasional shows and is recognized everywhere he goes. A celebrity in a land of 1.2 billion people, after all, is never alone. At a Kentucky Fried Chicken on a Nanjing shopping street, Mika and Charlotte want a little privacy to down a Pepsi and savor mashed potatoes and gravy. Not a chance. The teenage sisters select a discreet table behind a life-size statue of Col. Sanders, but his fiberglass shoulders aren't broad enough to shield the girls from a gathering of gawkers. "Look," a woman whispers to her son, who abandons his coleslaw to gape, "Ai-Jiang and Ai-Su!" Wondered At and Wooed "This is definitely the worst part," groans Mika, who goes by Ai-Jiang -- half of the duo's stage-name combination that means, literally, "Love Jiangsu." Jiangsu is the province where Mika and Charlotte live and the subject of many of their comic dialogues. At a shop where Bruce Springsteen's "Philadelphia" is blaring from a tape player, the girls look at puppies and kittens for sale while a crowd looks at them. "They speak better Chinese than my children," marvels Zhou Baoxun, a white-haired 70-year-old. "At least they don't ask for autographs," Mika sighed. No, they want more. A man from nearby Zhejiang province, who saw the Americans on Chinese Central TV's popular Spring Festival show, wrote in to ask for Mika's hand. If she wasn't interested, he added, he would consider marriage to anybody she would care to introduce. Mika and Charlotte, who also gets suitors by mail, don't reply to amorous would-be penpals. After all, their parents, the Revs. Peter and Elyn MacInnis, probably wouldn't approve. Peter was born to missionary parents in the coastal Chinese city of Fuzhou in 1948, a year before Mao Tse-tung's Communists swept to power. He met Elyn at Harvard Divinity School, when he worked at a shelter for the homeless and she drove an ambulance. While the Cultural Revolution raged in China, he romanced her with revolutionary ditties. As an engagement present, he introduced her to Mao's Little Red Book. At Home in China When China loosened ideological controls a notch in 1988, Peter gave up an insurance-company job in Connecticut and moved his family to this historic capital of wide streets and thick, green sycamore trees. He managed modern China's first Bible printing press before quitting last year to start a foreign consulting firm. Elyn became minister of a foreign congregation here. Their daughters, meantime, soaked up local culture. One of the first rope-skipping songs they learned began: "Little Red has two hand grenades and has killed 2.5 million Japanese...." Soon they were enrolled at Nanjing's Little Red Flowers Song and Dance Troupe, a nationally famous primary school for talented children. They were known as the Big-Foot Americans, but their teacher, Xu Minghua, notes that "the only difference between their singing and Chinese singing is their skin color." Mika and Charlotte say they don't much miss the U.S., where they spend summers with relatives and meet boyfriend-crazed adolescents who have little interests in far-off China. "They want us to speak some Chinese, and then they're satisfied," Charlotte says. "American kids are pretty mindless." She and her sister do what they can to ensure that Chinese children aren't. They give all their earnings to a program that pays school fees for poor children. And they are planning to host an educational program akin to "Sesame Street" on Nanjing TV. "We have to give something back to China," says Mika, who would like to perform here professionally one day. "It's easier to come back to China than to go to America." (Forwarded by Charles Mok, Source: The Wall Street Journal) ===========***==========***==========**==========***==========***=========== 2. Learning About Chinese In California ................... G. Kemnitz 125 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chinese friends are always asking me why I am interested in China and its history and such. I'm often at loss to answer, often shrugging and saying "Why not?", but they've been persistent enough that I've tried to think it through and come up with an explanation. In any case, if you've read this far, you are probably wondering why a fat white guy like me would be interested in China? Well, my interest really goes back to when I was a kid, and I heard Howard K. Smith talk about the "Red Chinese" and something called the "Cultural Revolution" where the mysterious Red Chinese waved books and screamed at someone named Mao Tse-tung who was apparently their president in some mysterious place called Peking. Anyway, since our TV was black-and-white, I figured those Red Chinese must be a new race of people, with fire-engine-red skin, but otherwise like kids I knew from my neighborhood who were also Chinese. Anyway, as time passed, and after watching the TV news at my grandparents' house on a color set, I realized that the Red Chinese weren't red at all and looked pretty ordinary. But the news that our President was going to China was all the rage, and I still wondered if I could see those Red Chinese if I looked hard enough at the images of people in Peking. There was plenty of red everywhere around the people, but no red people to be found whatsoever. >From that point on, I wondered about those people in that remote land, which was the epitome of the unreachable and the unfathomable for Americans and other Westerners of the time. I would eagerly await articles about parts of China in the National Geographic at the school library, and would read newspaper accounts of life there which appeared from time to time. Things between China and the US were steadily improving with the death of Mao Zedong (using the Pinyin spelling with its weird Z's, X's, and Q's which replaced the old form about this time in American magazines and newspapers) and the rise of Deng Xiaoping. Anyway, by this time the notion of China as "our Communists" was firmly entrenched in the residents of the Arsenal of Democracy, as California proudly described itself in those days. And "our Communists", while still Communist, were both interested in getting rich and had most of their nukes pointed at the evil Russkies. Anyway, during this time (about 1980), tens of thousands of Vietnamese poured into my hometown of San Jose, Calif. and hundreds into my high school. I discovered a strange thing: Vietnamese actually liked to be around smart people! A kid who had few friends and was rather sullen and lonely suddenly found people who didn't care if you weren't the most stylish dresser or particularly socially skilled as long as you were interesting and friendly. And in a place where I had been a loner, I finally found a "clique" of friends I could hang out with. Many of the friends I made at that time are still close today, even though many of them live in other parts of the country. Visiting my friends and their parents at home was my first real exposure to what scholars might call a "Sinic" culture, and I was impressed with the strong families and well-ordered life that kept these people together, despite amazing hardships which were and are still unimaginable to a kid who grew up in the "burbs". Anyway, time went on, and I payed even more attention to stories about both China and Vietnam in the newspapers and magazines. The Vietnamese community understandably was rabidly anti-Communist and took a hard line politically when they became citizens. This was the Reagan Years, when a sort of innocent know-nothing conservatism took hold among numerous Americans, including me. Also, since Deng Xiaoping seemed more like a Republican than anything else, he and his policies were the talk of my friends, particularly the younger Vietnamese who saw that the Communists in their country weren't likely to be defeated in battle, but could be corrupted... This was the American Honeymoon for the Chinese government: newspapers fell over themselves talking about increasing capitalism and anti-Soviet actions of the Chinese, and the idea that the Chinese were "our Communists" was stronger than ever. Any troubles in China were ignored - after all, we had common enemies, and comrades-in-arms don't attack each other. In any case, something called the Democracy Wall came and went with about page-5 coverage, and a former Red Guard named Wei Jingsheng was blamed. I finally went to Berkeley in 1984, where I met Mainland Chinese for the first time. Finally, the Red People were proved to be flesh and blood, not just pictures in the paper or images on TV. They were different than I imagined; gone were the Little Red Books and their politics certainly would place them among the capitalist-roaders in the People's Republic (of Berkeley). I had several friends from Taiwan and Hong Kong at Berkeley, but not many among the Mainlanders since they were graduate students and mingling with TA's and such was not encouraged. But there was a guy named Zhang Yanjun who was my TA for Finite Automata class, and he was cool. After graduation, I went to work at Lockheed Missiles and Space Co. Mingling with Commies was not encouraged. Even my Vietnamese friends were a problem in those days, and I decided that the trouble of getting a "black clearance" wasn't worth the effort and certainly wasn't worth having to have the boring sorts of friends who could survive the rigorous security checks. So by and by I ended up briefly at Unisys/Convergent. This was early in 1989. Convergent had many Chinese engineers, including some from China itself. And the events of Spring 1989 were chronicled on the internal corporate mail by those engineers, who took donations and talked about the goings-on at Tiananmen Square to anyone who would listen. They also forwarded SCC articles, which got lots of people in the company to start reading SCC directly. Other companies, like Everex Computer and even Lockheed Missile (which didn't have any PRCers, but had lots of Chinese American engineers) were caught up in the mood. People whose only previous interest in lunchroom political discussions was in which politician would lower their taxes were suddenly eagerly grasping at each small news item and rumor from Tiananmen. Productivity among engineers dropped measurably during April and May, and not just among the Chinese engineers. When the tanks rolled in on June 4th, which was a Sunday, a cloud descended on San Jose. Even though it was one of those bright, clear, warm days for which California is famous, a mood of shock and disbelief set in on everyone, no matter their ethnicity, but most heavily on the Chinese. Radio and TV were in round-the-clock coverage of the events, and newspapers ran special editions. Everyone here was stunned - how could Deng Xiaoping do this? Within about five minutes, the American Honeymoon ended for the PRC, and things have yet to recover to this day. But one thing that did happen for China around the world is the world saw the diversity and complexity, and therefore the humanity, of China, and pat Orientalist explanations of things Chinese came to an end. Whatever the "causes of Tiananmen" were, whether petty maneuvering for ascendency by miscellaneous GaoGan's or whatever, this is something the world does not forget. Anyway, since I had been one of the most interested non-Chinese at Convergent, I followed goings-on closely even as I prepared to move to Berkeley again for a research job. I joined the CSF (the China Study Forum, which was in some ways a fore-runner to CCF), which was forming up at that time, and posted a few articles, which got better over time, but some of which look pretty childish to me nowadays. In any case, over the years I have learned that China is nothing if not complicated, and anyone who claims to be a "China expert" is someone you don't want dating your daughter. But just because you can't be a China expert doesn't mean you can't try to learn something... (From: kemnitz@netcom.com) ===========***==========***==========**==========***==========***============ 3. The Fuzzy Logic And Free Speech .......................... Cheng Ming 89 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since the first amendment, which advocated the free speech without imposing any restriction, was promulgated, people have been puzzled by the difficulty in judging free speech, one of the most important and basic human right. Today, when America, a nation uncompromisingly committed to freedom and liberty, leads the industrialized world in murder, rape and violent crimes, China becomes the focus of the world again by her dramatic rate of economic growth and soaring personal incomes after a crackdown on Tian An Men square movements. These facts are forcing people to rethink about the value of human rights ideology. The problematic definition of human rights is facing the challenge first. In the last issue of the CCF, Daniel Yau questioned the reality of universal human rights by pointing out that no absolute bottom line could be set even for the right of free speech. Following Daniel's article, Dr. Peng showed eloquently that the concept of universal human rights constitutes some inconsistency by using the formal logic. It seems that we need more work in elaborating the theory of human rights, especially on its definition. Before we try to touch such arduous task, let us briefly introduce the theory of fuzzy logic. The fuzzy logic has become a dominant logic theory in the modern social science today. Its key point is to resolve the difficulty that people always are in a dilemma for identifying if an object belongs to a given set in reality. Suppose we have four girls w, x, y, and z, with their grades of beauty: 0.9 for w, 0.7 for x, 0.2 for y, and 0.5 for z, and their grades of smartness: 1 for w, 0.3 for x, 0.9 for y, and 0.5 for z. If we let A be the set of beautiful, and B the set of smart girls. The traditional two-valued logic faces the difficulty even in forming these sets: who should be in? It seems that it will not be fair no matter where we cut the line. For the fuzzy theory, however, it is easy. We have everyone in partially according to her grade of beauty. A = 0.9/w + 0.7/x + 0.2/y + 0.5/z, B = 1/w + 0.3/x + 0.9/y + 0.5/z. Different from the two-valued logic, we have in fuzzy logic ( A ) and (no A ) = non zero, and, ( A ) or (no A ) = not all. This theory, though debatable, is obviously much better and closer to the reality. More importantly, it has resolved many problems not only in social sciences but also in natural sciences, which could not be solved by formal logic as we have seen in Dr. Peng's article. That is a good news for people like you, even if what you have done is not perfect, you still are a good person somehow; it is even better for social scientists because they can define many objects, which could not be defined by formal logic, and do the calculations therefrom. So, if people want to define a set A for the rights that must be protected regardless the circumstances and set B for the rights that must be forbidden regardless the circumstances as Dr. Peng did, we do not need set C here, and may have A = 0.9/free speech + ... .... 0.0.. .001/smoking B = 0.1/free speech + .........0.9... 99 /smoking The grade 0.9, or 0.1, will depend upon the criterion on free speech where we talk about. People still can argue about its validity, but it is obviously much better and closer to reality as we said. And more importantly again, it is workable. From here, we can easily define the internationally accepted standard for free speech. For example, we run through all countries in the world, and get the average grade for free speech, say, it is 0.6. Now, if a country has a grade of only 0.01, we say that the right for free speech in that country is far from the standard therefore. The so called universal Human Rights could be defined on the basis of the fuzzy theory if people only believe the things that could be proven mathematically. First of all, the universal does not mean being absolute, as misinterpreted frequently. For example, after some statistical study, people will find out that there are some universal relations among some rights, the grades of some depend on others at everywhere else, and those basic rights may be called the universal human rights. Surely, people still have freedom in doing that, but you will not get null set for the universal Human Rights by using fuzzy logic because people have taken out the absolutism, which in fact does not exist in the universe, at least in the one we live. (From: mchn@chevron.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Double Check Your Claim ......................................... Shi 26 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- (To C. Yang) Hi, the message you tried to convey in the CCF is totally wrong. In Maryland, the poverty guideline for a family of size 1, 2, 3 is $6970, $9430, $11890, which are 1993 Lower Living Standard Income Levels (70%). Since the living costs are different, each dollar will bring into different living standard changes in two countries. Double check your claim: If one has an annual income of $4,800, which is supposedly to be the average GNP per capita in China according to PPP, what would be his living standard in the US? Somewhere around the poverty line, little above, not too much. Forty-eight hundred dollars are about the welfare pay-check in some states (annually). Obviously, the latter would be much better a description of the average living standard of Chinese people: a little above the poverty line, but not much. My opinion is this kind of mistake makes CCF look silly. (From: SHI@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. C. Yang's Response .................................................. 43 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Mr. Shi, Thank you for the above message. I am not sure that the poverty guideline of MD can be generalized in the US. As I understand, the living cost of MD and DC area is among the highest in the nation. For example, a fairly big two bed-room apartment in Illinois cost us $350, while the current one we are having in MA, which is much smaller than the one in IL, costs us about $520. During my recent interview in University of Maryland at College Park, I check a similar size apt there which will cost us about $900. The welfare check in IL was about $400 per month month four years ago. Not sure whether it has increased dramatically. Never bother to check that of MA, but pretty sure it is higher that that of IL, since things here are more expensive. If you consider that there are more poor States than rich ones, (the starting salary of tenure-track faculty member in Alabama is about $24k to $25k while the minimum salary for a post-doc in MD is about $26k to $27k!) I am sure the average poverty guideline would not be as high as $4800. You said: >Since the living costs are different, each $ will bring >into different living standard changes in two countries. That is exactly what PPP tries to compare. It standardizes the costs of living as well as the income. For example, a Big Mac costs $2.30 in the US while only RMB 10 Yuan in China (less that 1.3 Yuan). PPP adjusts it to $2.30 and then adjust the income according to the living costs. Hope this can clarify the confusion I made in my short article previously. Guess you must be happy that you are not going to Alabama looking for a faculty job. Best regards! C. Yang (From: cqyang@chemistry.umass.edu) ===========***==========***==========**==========***==========***=========== 6. My Childhood Dreams ..................................... Andrew Lei 69 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Son, what do you want to be when you grow up?". I do not remember how many times my father and mother asked me this question, which gradually became rather boring. However, I managed to amaze them by coming up with different answers every time. "I want to be a father", I said when I was about four years old, which of course made all in the family laugh, and brought so much fun and sweetness to everybody. I am sure that was my first childhood dream -- to be a father, so pure, so sincere, and so "romantic". Time passed by. My dream changed to being a soldier or a hero, a Tao1 Fen4 worker, a peasant, a ping-pong or a badminton player, a mathematician, a writer, a millionaire, and even once a Nobel Prize winner. I dreamed about being a hero because I was so moved by Huang Jiguang's story, being a Tao1 Fen4 worker because I admired the model worker Shi Chuanxiang, being a peasant because Xing Yanzi inspired me, being a ping-pong player because I wanted to be the second Zhuang Zedong, being a mathematician because I envied the attention Hua Luogeng was getting. I did not know what made me dream about being a millionaire. I guess that was because of the movie "A One Million Pound Bill", which was about a poor American coming to England, and how he had all the good fortunes because of a bet between two true British millionaires. That was the first time I had known that money could seemingly bring whatever one wanted. I did not know when I gave up dreaming about being a millionaire, which was replaced by being a writer. I remember reading all those novels with tears in eyes sometimes. "I can write much better novels", I was so sure about myself. To win the Nobel Prize was my dream much later. I almost thought that my smartness was far more enough than to win a Nobel Prize in whatever field. I kept dreaming and dreaming, sometimes very wild. I thought that I had dreamed just about anything. At a certain point of time, as if all of a sudden, I decided that I had been fooled by all my dreams. More precisely, I knew that my dream could never come true because the society was so complex and unpredictable, and I was so weak and insignificant in the society. The only thing I might be able to do was probably to find my dream wife, who should be pretty and sweet. So, I gave up dreaming, let life be what the God wanted to give me. So many years passed by. I entered my mid-ages with my life drifting along with the God-arranged fortune. All of a sudden again, I found a secret of life: what I dreamed about could hardly come true, but what I never dreamed about was very often around me. I never dreamed about going to the States, but I am here now with a probability to stay long. I never dreamed about being a high energy physicist, but I am studying those tiny particles that have nothing to do with our daily life. I never dreamed about having anything to do with the US Congress, but I was there several times for the things closely related to us. Life is really strange! Well, maybe it was not too bad because it at least let me realize my first and the most sincere dream: to be a father. Now, I start to ask my daughter what she wants to be when she grows up. Can you guess what her first answer was? "I want to be a mom". What a similarity between her first and mine! However, I can never expect her the same path of dreaming as that of mine. You see, she told me later that she wanted to be an artist, a rock-n-roll star, and most recently, she said that she wanted to be a Congresswoman! I asked her why. She told me that she participated in a campaign for one of her classmate to win the election as a student leader in her elementary school. "That was already a lot of fun, and I guess it'll be much more fun to be a Congresswoman", she said to me. This of her latest dream somehow reminded me of what we did nearly five years ago. In a raining morning, we marched on the streets in Washington DC with a big banner -- We Have a Dream: a Free and Democratic China. I wish this dream will become true as did my first dream, and I wish whatever dreams my daughter has will also become true. 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