From @UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:owner-china-nt@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Tue May 24 16:42:17 1994 Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 16:41:26 -0400 Reply-To: YANG Chang-Qing Sender: China-Net From: YANG Chang-Qing Subject: FWD: CBS Evening News (5/19) Transcript Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu To: Multiple recipients of list CHINA-NT Dear Readers, The Following is the transcript of the contraversial segment on CBS Eveneing News (May 19). We post it here only for your information. For detail discussion and analysis, please read tomorrow's Chinese Community Forum. Editorial Board, Chinese Community Forum ---------------------------- Excerpt from Transcript of CBS Evening News (May 19, 1994, 6:30pm) ... Connie Chung (CC): Coming up next, Eye on America. Tonight, the biggest spy network in America. We'll tell you who's running it and how. CC: The recent Ames spy case served as a reminder that the espionage business in the country is still thriving; that you don't always find spies in trench coats and that you could find them in the house next door. In a special investigation, CBS News found out how China is grooming agents to keep an Eye on America. Unidentified Woman: Only US citizens continue straight ahead. CC: Every day, planeloads of Chinese citizens arrive legally in the United States, ordinary people. But to the Chinese government, some of them may be future spies, who a few years down the road, will be activated to steal American's military and technological secrets, whether they want to or not. Are there any other countries that you know of that have this kind of spy network operating here in the United States? Mr. Nicholas Eftimiades (Defense Information Agency) (NE): No, not-- certainly not to this--to this degrees. CC: Nicholas Eftimiades, who works for an American spy agency, the Defense Information Agency. His new book on Chinese intelligence raises serious questions for American government and business. NE: I don't think we can say at this point any Western government is prepared to deal with this type of espionage threat, because it's different from anything that we've known to date. CC: It all starts here in Beijing. A Chinese student or scientist or businessperson applies for a visa to go to the US. Then the Ministry of State Security starts asking questions: What can you learn in the States? Will you be working with computers? Will you be loyal to China? And most importantly, can you be patient? Eftimiades says the prospective spies are trained, paid, and warned to stay in touch. `Remember,' they are told, `we'll be watching your family members in China. 'Lay low until you're contacted,' they're told. It could be years. NE: Let me put it to you in the terms that the Chinese Intelligence Services describes it: Chen di yu, which is a Ministry of State Security slang term for fish on the bottom of the ocean. This has been defined in Western espionage as sleeper agents. CC: So they just sit there like fish at the bottom of the ocean and do nothing? NE: They wait. CC: Until they have to surface. NE: Exactly. CC: This man is one of those Chinese fish at the bottom of the American ocean. Call him a reluctant spy. He's afraid he'll be contacted soon to hand over state-of-the-art computer programs. Unidentified Man #1: Never forget, you belong to our organization. CC: `Never forget.' they told him, `you belong to our organization.' Man #1: You were sent by our organization. CC: `You were sent by our organization, and this organization belongs to the Communist Party.' Man #1: ... Communist Party. CC: Twenty-three years ago this man, Kao Yen Men, came to the US. In recent years, he lived a quiet life in this house in Charlotte, North Carolina. And he even bought a restaurant in downtown Charlotte. His neighbors never knew what he was up to. Unidentified Man #2: I really didn't know what to think. I mean, you know, we came down to this nice little Southern city, and the next thing you know I'm down the street from a spy. I thought this was, like, a little fiction movie or something, but... CC: Some movie. After a six-year FBI investigation, Kao was arrested and charged with trying to steal the advanced Mark 48 torpedo, engines for the FA-18 Hornet jet fighter and radar for the F-16 Falcon jet. Kao was caught, but security expert Pat Pattakos says most American companies are too naive about the Chinese spy threat. Mr. Arion "Pat" Pattakos (Beta Analytics): Right now a lot of people don't really think of protecting themselves. CC: Especially when the target is information and computer data... Mr. Pattakos: They'll look at all of this information here that they can access. Unidentified Man #3: Yes. CC: ...all part of the more and more accessible information superhighway. Mr. Pattakos: I mean, it's very easy to know when a truck is missing in front of your place. I mean, it's gone. It's a physical object. But think about information. Information is more intangible and people may not know...realize that it's lost. CC: Pattakos says a new national strategy between business and government can trap the spies. Eftimiades is much less optimistic. NE: Once these spies get into American society, once they're deeply rooted into our structure, our society's structure, we're not going to be able to detect them. There is no way to stop them at that point. CC: The FBI is trying to help American corporations protect themselves from espionage. The bureau has a program now to brief executive about how their companies could become targets. ...