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You have been added to list lc-l@ifcss.org.
Requests to listserv@ifcss.org.

       Dear subscriber:

           Welcome to Late Comers net!

           This net is desinged to help those Chinese Students and Scholars
       who came to the United States after April 11, 1990 to overcome various
       difficulties encountered on this foreign land, and distribute objective
       information and analysis on the Chinese Students Protection Act.

           This net is also aimed to promote academic freedom and community
       democracy. It's our belief that an enriched academic environment and
       a diversified Chinese Students and Scholars community will lead us to
       a better life.

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           Sincerely

       LCs Working Committee


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Hi, Friends:

        Is anybody here belong to California State University
system, and also he/she is a CSPA?

        The reason I want to know this is that the CSPA of University
of Califonia system  no longer need to pay foreign student tuition since
they filed I-485, they already get notice from foreign student adviser.

        But the foreign student advisor of my school (CSUS)  said that
CSPA of CSU students still need pay foreign student tuition until
next year.

         looks like that two systems have different policy at this point.
I hope to know how is the policy of other CSU campus regarding  this
issue.
        Your reply will be very appreciated.



                                        Y.g.

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FYI -- forwaded message :
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+-------------------------------------------------------+
 1. Nonresidence Tuition for People Filing PR Petition
+-------------------------------------------------------+
>From HAO@TUOLUMNE.ATMOS.UCLA.EDU Fri Aug 27 12:43:08 1993

     Recently, I talked with the residency deputy at Murphy
Hall about the issue of the nonresidency tuition. The regulation
requires people to reside the state of California for over one
full year to waive the nonresidence tuition. For one who has filed
a petition of applying the permanent residency (PR), the date
is counted from the date when s/he shows the intention of immigration
in California, can be either the filing date for labour certificate,
or the PR petition filing date. The document needs to show your
name on it if that is filed on behalf of your family.
     This is only for the reference purpose, correct information can
be found by calling 53447 asking for Residency deputy.


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>From: cliu@wuecon.wustl.edu (Chengyan Liu)
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|                                                                           |
|                           WE CAME AFTER 04/11/90                          |
|                                  NETWORK                                  |
|                                                                           |
|                             September 1st, 1993                           |
|                                                                           |
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			      Table of Content
		  ============================================
		  1. An Open Letter from LCs Working Committee
		  2. A Brief Survey
		  3. Another Letter to Ms. Rita Boie
		  =============================================

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1. An Open Letter from LCs Working Committee
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Dear LCN Readers:

	Due to the coming new semester, few message has been released
from the LCNet these days. Since every member of the LCs Working Committee
is working on a voluntary basis, you may sometimes experience some delay
of our regular broadcasting. We apologize for this and we will continue to
make every effort to publish our newsletters timely.

	We are undergoing a transition period within this working committee.
Because of the leaving of our former Chair Mr. Chengyan Liu to IFCSS, Mr.
Bin Xiao and Mr. Min Gao agree to serve as interim Chair and interim Vice
Chair respectively. We are at a crucial time when our future goals need to
be defined. If you happen to have any idea, please don't hesitate to let us
know. We have to collect all the good opinions.

	In order to serve our fellow Chinese students and scholars better
and make our work more efficient, this working committee applied for a
listserv account in mid August through CCIC (Chinese Computing Information
Center, an organization affiliated with IFCSS). And we have just been
notified that the application has been approved and a listserv account
dedicated to all Chinese students and scholars who came to the United States
after April 11, 1990 has been set up.

	If you or your friends are not in this list, please send
		 sub lc-l your_first_name your_last_name
as body message to listserv@ifcss.org. If you or your friends want to
unsubscribe our News Release and related discussions, please send
		 unsub lc-l
as body message to listserv@ifcss.org.

	We need to emphasise that this is achieved and made possible by all
our netters like you. Therefore, the service will be dedicated to the needs
of our fellow Chinese students and scholars. We welcome our netters to send
your comments to us, and we are looking forward to reading your postings
soon.


LCs Working Committee
	
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2. A Brief Survey
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[Editor's note: In order to serve Late Arriving Fellow Chinese Students
		and Scholars better, we disigned the following mini-survey.
		Please send your answer to cliu@wuecon.wustl.edu. We'll
		inform you the results after we finished the survey.]

		  ----------Mini_Survey Begin----------
    1. How did you evaluate LCs Working Committee's activities?
       Is that good enough or need major improvement?
       If improvement is necessary, please indicate specifically which
	   one should be improved.
    2. What's your opinions about current strategies to cooperate with
       IFCSS, LAD net and other organizations?
       Especially, did you think our agreement that let former Chair
       Chengyan Liu work inside IFCSS is a good idea?
    3. We are contacting some law firms.
       What you think about the main focus should be?
       Is it good enough only to protect EP2 and push LADs use world quota?
       Did you think some kind of extention of CSPA is possible?
       Or what should LCs Working Committee bargaining with law firm to
	   achieve the better results?
    4. If the lobby begin, did you like to donate some money for the use of
	   lobbying?
       Or if you agree to contribute some amount of money, what's the upper
	   limit you accept?
    5. Did you think we should talk to INS, Senator Immigration sub-committee,
	   Department of Justice and the White House directly at current time?
       How can we finance these activities?
    6. Beyond CSPA, what you think we should do? Assist some people attend
	   academic conference, assist Late Comers get working permit, assist
	   some people get intership, etc.

    Since all the above questions is tied with Late Arriving Fellow Chinese
Students and Scholars, so if we can work together we can achieve what we
want. We LCs Working Committee hope you can consult your schoolmate, as some
of them have no access to e-mail, before you send out your precious opinions.

		      ----------Mini_Survey End----------

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3. Another Letter to Ms. Rita Boie
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[Editor's note: The following letter was written by Mi Mi, an activist of
		Late Arriving Dependents net (LADnet). In order to collect
		more signatures in the letter, the author of the letter
		asked us to carry it in our LCN net. One of the aims of the
		letter is to push the use of world quota for LADs, a practice
		which will benefit some of LCs who would use EP3 to apply for
		PR. LCs Working Committee agrees with their effort in general,
		but the opinions expressed in the letter are not that of
		LCs Working Committee. If you agree with the contents of the
		letter, and like to sign your name on the letter, please send
		e-mail to:
				       lads-sig@spike.rice.edu
				       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		The desired format is:
		Mr./Ms/Miss:Name,Address,City,State,ZipCode,Tel#
		Co-signed Spouse, Mr/Ms: Name]

		    ------------Letter Begin----------

  Madam Rita A. Boie
  Senior Immigration Examiner
  Adjudication Branch
  Immigration & Naturalization Services
  425 I Street NW, Room 5307
  Washington, DC 20536

  RE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)

  Dear Madam Boie,

	  We, a group of concerned and sympathetic individuals who
  signed their names and addresses here, would like to call your
  kindly attention to the following problems involved in subjecting
  Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals to the China
  quota.

  (1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of
  Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS
  HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in the U.S. who
  may file their applications under EB-3 and FB-2 during this
  August and September. Since the annual China quota in EB-3 or FB-2
  is about 2500, only these LADs will make the backlog of China's
  at least four years longer. This means that no other Chinese
  nationals can file applications for adjustment of status under
  EB-3 or FB-2 categories in the next four years. According to the
  recent INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese
  nationals, who came before April 11, 1990, and have obtained an
  advance parole to re-enter U.S., are allowed to apply under CSPA.
  While this new decision reflects the humanitarian and protection
  spirit which are implanted in the Executive Order 12711, those
  added applicants with their LADs are facing even more
  difficulties than anyone else because their LADs are mostly
  queued after the existing pool of LADs whose principals entered
  legally, and thus are facing even longer family separation. Not
  only will those LADs whose principals are undocumented be queued
  after those whose principals entered legally, which means even
  longer waiting period, but also the unpredictable number of LADs
  of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the normal China EB-3
  and FB-2 categories for even more years. As Americans cherish
  their traditional family unity, family values and humanity, those
  traditional values are also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture
  and every Chinese family. The anticipated long separation of
  those families resulted from visa quota allocation problem will
  surely bring sadness and suffering to those families, and thus
  contradict the humanitarian spirit imbedded in the INA, Executive
  Order 12711 and CSPA.

  (2) For dependents remaining in China, the situation is even more
  bleak. These individuals, most of them are minor children, as we
  have surveyed among our LADs community, would be required to wait
  in China until visa numbers are available and thus could
  potentially be separated from their parents for many years. The
  separation will not only deprive those minor children of the much
  needed parental care, but also damage the precious family ties of
  those families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the
  U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, will reach
  the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would disqualify
  them for visa issuance.

  Before more efficient solutions are found, we believe that two
  solutions are practical now.

  (1) Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since the CSPA
  principals have been allocated into the world-wide 46,000 quota
  leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to estimate that
  there are still world-wide quota leftover for the following
  years. Instead of wasting those leftover world-wide quotas and
  letting the LADs block the doors to China's regular EB-3 and EB-2
  channels, re-allocating LAD in to the world quota would solve
  backlog problems and benefit many Chinese families in general.

  (2) A blanket family unity program, we believe, should be
  established to include all late-arriving dependents. This program
  should mirror the benefits of Executive Order 12711 to (a) give
  dependents in China who request non-immigrant visas to visit
  family in the U.S. favorable consideration and not to be flatly
  rejected due to the "immigrant intent", (b) deem the individual
  to maintain his/her non-immigrant status for adjustment purposes,
  thus to eliminate the DED problem faced by the estimated 50% for
  LADS population,(c) provide liberal advance parole, (d) provide
  employment authorization for the dependents while their
  applications are being processed, and (e) allow children under
  twenty-one on the date of the CSPA principal's approval to be
  eligible for adjustment even if they are over twenty-one at the
  date of adjustment. This family unity program would resolve the
  problems involved with the case by case voluntary departure
  program and family separation resulted from non-immigrant visa
  denial.

  Thank you for your attention. We are looking forward to hearing
  from you soon.

  Signed by initiating LADs Network members, and co-signed by all
  the concerned and sympathetic Chinese nationals

  Their names and address are in the following attached pages.

		       ----------Letter End----------
		
+===========================================================================+
|     Editor-in-Chief: Enhua He, New York University                        |
|     Executive Editors: Xiaodong Huang, North Carolina State University    |
|                        Chengyan Liu, Washington Univ. at St. Louis        |
|     Comments and Posts: cliu@wuecon.wustl.edu                             |
|     Sign on/off: lc-l@ifcss.org                                           |
+===========================================================================+


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>From:	IN%"YL9C@watson.acc.virginia.edu" 29-AUG-1993 12:28:37.09

	Does anyone know why some local INS set an interview time for LADs 
	while some other INS don't?  Any information is appreciated. Thanks!

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>From:	IN%"ZHEN@pine.circa.ufl.edu"  "LU" 30-AUG-1993 16:11:22.37
Subj:	check your bank

	Hi every one: many of us have mailed I-485 to local INS offices for 
	our LADs. So far we have not received the reciept notice from local 
	INS. One way to check the current status is go to ask your bank if 
	the bank check or the money order you bought has been cleared out. 
	This morning, I went to my bank and found that the bank check for 
	my wife was cleared on Aug. 27 while the one for my son has not yet 
	been cleared. I mailed both I-485 forms on Aug. 3rd. 

	Zheng Lu (Uinv. of Florida)

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>From:	IN%"Bin_Luo@ius4.ius.cs.cmu.edu"  "Bin LUO" 30-AUG-1993 16:39:25.08
Subj:	child in china

	I have a friend who has a 4 years old son in china, and got a F-2 
	visa last week in Beijing. All document for this application was 
	made  before July 1. So if you have small child in china, maybe you 
	can try apply F-2 for him/her.

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>From:	IN%"sli@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu"  1-SEP-1993 13:08:24.39
Subj:	Receipt

	I went to Houston INS on Aug.19 and my I-485 form was accepted . But 
	one thing bothers me is that I have not got any kind of receipt yet. 
	Is this normal? How could I prove that INS have my I-485?
	Thx for any comments.

============================== THE END =======================================

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========begin message====================================================
>From: J9LI@stthomas.edu
Subject: Re: Call for signatures

I am one of what you called NCFS. I won't sign anything. I just let you know
don't persue your own benefits on the behalf the NCFS.

Go ahead, I don't oppose you guys. IFCSS called for us support CSPA, what we
got? So I will NOT take part in your action, NO.

J Li

9/1/93
========end   message====================================================

Well, it is up to you. CSPA took a huge chunk of CSS out of China's EB-3.
Please do not assume all the EC would not qualify for that. The problem
is, IFCSS stopped pushing it, due to many reasons.
Lack of enthusiaism, support from all sides, manpower, etc. Now the ship
was guided by some other interest groups. If we do not take action, it
will turn against us, particularly LC CSS. United, we can change it.

Thank you for your comments, and thank you for not opposing our efforts.

Mi Mi
========begin message====================================================
>From: hzhang@ecn.purdue.edu (BRIAN H. ZHANG)
Subject: Re:  Call for signatures

Good job done.

I am a CSPA pricipal and my son is a LAD. Basically, I
support your objective of pushing for world-wide quota.
However, I have some comments to your Call for Signature.

1) You mentioned the figure 10,000 LAD according to IFCSS
estimate and assumed a similar figure for the LADs of
undocumented. I believe it is better not mention IFCSS's
estimate. For one thing, IFCSS is not a US goverment
branch or anything related. There is very little authoratitive
credibility in this respect of IFCSS. Don't get me wrong,
I am a long time IFCSS supporter and worked as VP of CSSU
for the last two terms to push for CSPA. Simply, IFCSS's
estimate in this respect does not count to INS. We cann't
push anything in INS with the authority of IFCSS. It won't
work.

2) The number of LAD for the undocumented was estimated to be
10,000 as well. This is again a too much speculation without
much solid ground. I don't know how an undocumented could
bring his/her dependents easily in US. There surely would be
some, but I can not trust the figure.

I believe more investigation should be done before sending out
the petition letter. If we want to achieve something, we better
give people reliable information. I believe we can check with
INS first about some figures, or look into some US government
publications.

Thanks.

-H. Zhang
Purdue
========end   message====================================================

There is no way we can trace these numbers. Even INS does not know it,
and we have no way to start our investigations. However, we do need a
precise assessment of these numbers and the real impact on us.

Thank you for your comments and suggestions. Would you please join us
as a volunteer?

To push lads related problem, we have lots to do. We wish more and
more people will join us.


Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee


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To:	LAD Network Members

>From:	Lads Network Committee

Subject:DED situations.

Date:	September 3, 1993

Dear netters,

	In a week-long survey among the LAD network, we get the
following surprising results:

	Among ~1200 network members, only ~40 members have DED 
problems. This means that most of DEDs have no access to our network.

	More than half (~55%) of the DEDs have filed their 
applications. "Filed" means that the INS  have accepted their 
applications but they is waiting for further instruction 
for the INS HQ.

	Each DED family has ~1.5 DED members on average.

Below is the summary of the situation at different local INS:

======================================================
=======	Current situation of DED in Local INS ========
======================================================
	Arranged alphabetically by City Names


Arlington, VA:		Filed
ATLANTA, GA:		Rejected/filed
Boston, MA:		Filed
Camden, NJ:		Filed
CHICAGO,IL:		REJECTED/filed
Charlotte, N.C.:	Rejected
Cincinnati, OH:		filed
Denver, CO:		Filed.
Detroit, MI:		Rejected/filed
Honolulu, HI:		rejected
Houston, TX:		rejected	
Los Angeles, CA:	filed
Memphis, TN:		filed
Milwaukee, WI:		filed
Newark, NJ:		rejected
Kansas, MO:		rejected/Filed
San antonio, TX:	filed  
===========================================================

Now Let's estimate how many DEDs are waiting:

1. Let the number of CSPA principals be ~46,000.
2. ~1/6 of CSPA principals are LADs, i.e. ~8000 LADs.
3. ~1/4 of LADs are DEDs, i.e. ~2000 DEDs.
4. ~45% of DEDs are rejected, i.e. ~900 DEDs.
So, there are ~1000 DEDs are waiting for filing.

The above is only for your reference.

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While we are working on the DED issue, we strongly recommend you
to file your application as soon as possible. Remember that the 
window for EB-3 is closed after 9/30/93. Time is very short for
every DED.



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>From:	IN%"csenet@watson.ibm.com"  1-SEP-1993 21:08:25.79
Subj:	Q: interview date and working permit

	My friend went Boston INS last Monday (Aug. 30). The application has 
	been accepted, but neither interview date, nor working permit is 
	granted. Has anyone applied at Boston got an interview date or working 
	permit? Any information is appreciated. Thanks.

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>From:   IN%"wang@cast.uark.edu" (Wang Song)
Subject: Don't forget J-1 LADS

	I didn't see any constructive suggestions in the pettition letter. 
	Please don't forget they still suffer the two year waiver requirement.

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>From:	IN%"zhuc@bcvax1.bc.edu"  2-SEP-1993 14:09:13.41

	Hi, My friend filed as a single when he applied for PR under CSPA. He 
	got married recently. Is his wife eligible to apply for PR as his 
	dependent? Is there any peticular problem for this kind situation?

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>From:	IN%"wang@haldne.biogen.lsumc.edu"  2-SEP-1993 14:23:18.89

	I would like to ask a question about (non-PRC)LAD :

	I(PRC principal) applied for GC under CSPA and received receipt from 
	service center. Can my wife(non-PRC, arrived in U.S in 1989 and married
	me on July 1992, on a lawful F-1 status) apply now?

	Any information regarding the above two questions will be highly
	appreciated.

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>From:	IN%"liny@cpu1.omrf.uokhsc.edu"  2-SEP-1993 16:34:24.31
Subj:	require an answer

	Hi, I have a question for you. Mr. Qiu sent the PR applications for his 
	wife on Aug. 11 and got an appointment  date for interview at the same 
	day. But two weeks later, he got a letter from the local INS to cancel
	the appointment. He didn't know what is happened to him. I appriceate
	an answer from our netters. Does anyone have the same experience?

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>From:	IN%"wen@riscy.ucsb.edu"  3-SEP-1993 18:31:17.00

	I am covered by CSPA-principal program and I got married after I 
	submitted my application for PR to INS.  Do you have any information 
	about what shall I do if I want apply PR for my wife. I appreciate 
	your help.

=================================== THE END ===================================

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Q: WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY "UNDOCUMENTED CHINESE NATIONALS" ? 
A: Undocumented means those who entered without proper documents, e.g.,
   those who walked through Mexican Border without being checked by an INS
   officer. Many Chinese nationals boarded cargo ship to sail to the American
   shores. Some of them run aground, like the "Golden Venture".
Dear Lads-net netters:

1) Our number of signature e-mails has reached 607. It is still hard to
estimate how many signatures we have right now, but it is well over 1500,
and it is still increasing.

2) LCnet and CND-US both carried our petition drive-related news and 
signature collecting address. Since most schools start in September, 
we can expect more netters to back our petition.

3) One netter told us his although he got his lads application filed, and 
had an appointment date set for his lads, however, the appointment has been
cancelled by the INS afterwards, and he does not know why. The incident was 
reported and carried by lads-net newsrelease. So, the conclusion: it is not
the time to celebrate for your lads. Even you have got an interview date,
it is still not final.

4) IFCSS HQ is now working hard on lads-related issue. Although the golden
time of June and July has passed, there is still room for us to put on 
pressure. One of my friends with DED lads hired a very famous lawyer for his
case. The lawyer addmitted that he himself does not know the rules for DED
lads. No body knows, says he, even INS people. But he has not received any
rejections so far from NYC INS. One thing very interesting is, he 
thinks EB-3 is good and fast for my friend. He said if the waiting list for
EB-3 is getting longer, then he will file FB-2 for my friend as well. He 
believes, there might be a blanket waiver for those DED lads for third 
country interview. So, keep on working hard is important. While LCnet
and CND-US carried our letter, it is very important for us to work with all
the parties to pursue our demand.

5) In order to get more signaturs, we are trying to reach out to the Chinese
Immigrants Community in general. We have persuad one local paper to carry our
petition lettter. We also plan to put it to the World Journal. Since putting
lads into world quota benefits Chinese Community in general, we believe we
will receive more and more signatures. But, due to the limited manpower we
have, we are calling you, our dear netters, to step forward to become our
local coordinators, to actively participate in our signature drive nationwide.
Please give us your phone number and address, if your are willing to be our
local coordinator. Your duties will be answering some phone calls, and collect
signatures, and send them back to the lads-net collecting e-mail address. 
Please help lads-net and help yourselves!
 
6) We plan to send out petition letter in waves. Each wave of letter contains
the signatures collected in the previous time interval, say, in two weeks.
The stragety is to keep INS and concerned officials reminded our demand, until
the problem is finally solved, or we have exhuasted of our options. We are 
finalizing our letter, to find a native reader to proofread it. We are also
working on the Chinese version for Chinese medias. Once the English version
is ready, we will send out our first wave of letters. IFCSS HQ has supplied 
us with appropriate addresses, and we will ask for more.

Keep on working!

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee




 

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Hi, netters, since the fiscal year reaches the end, it is bothersome none
gets approved yet. 

Security check need 45 days. And 65 days has passed. Those with notice date
of 7/1 should have something like approval. Remember State Department started
to issue visa number begining on August 1.......

There should be 15,000 visas issued up to now, but nothing happens yet..

Then the problem is, is it possible for INS people to make fully use of 
the 46,000 leftover this year? If not, how many winning lotteray visas 
are handed out by September 30? How many unluky ones have to wait until next 

year? It was said there are only 20,000 leftover for the next year. Say, only
20,000 winning tickets this year, and, some one has to wait until 1995...

Well, maybe INS people want to mail out all the approval notice on September
30, to give you guys a big, big suprise...... 

Mi Mi

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DLI@ecs.umass.edu wrote:
/HI, There:
/A few people here at UMass (amherst) have received the approval notice from
/the EAST center. I don't how many. My friend told me last Thursday he
/and his son were imformed of the approval. However, His wife had not
/received the approval notice yet by the time he told me.
/This is for your information. Keep up the good work.
/Li,    9/5/93

If any of our lads-net netters have received approval notice, please inform
us immediately. Also please report your lads-related information to us. This
is very important to monitor the development of INS policy. Please do not
go away when you got your approval notice. Thank you very much!

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee


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Hi, everybody! We lads-net committee are going to send our first round of
petition letters very soon. One of our committee members is seeking a native
English Professor to proof read our letter. Once he finishes, we will send out
our first round of petition letters with signatures rushed in before August 25.
The strategy is, never set up a deadline for our netters, never stop sending
petition letters until we get the attention we need. We will continue to send
out our petition letters with new groups of signature. First around is 525.
The cut off date is August 25. Next, it will be another 500 or so. At the same
time, we are seeking help from local Chinese newapapers to publish our petition
letter. Our group's name is "Quan2 Mei3 Ho4 Dao4 Jia1 Su3 Lian2 He2 Hui4",
or National Lads Association. We are trying to collect signatures from general
Chinese Public. 

If you, our dear netters, did not sign your names, please do so. If you know
anyone who is willing to sign, please ask their permission and send their 
signatures to us. Your signatures are confidential. Your signatures will be 
used ONLY for our petition purposes.

Mi Mi

lads-net Committee


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J9LI@stthomas.edu wrote:

Subject: Re:  Can you provide proof of LCnet's involvement in your plan?

I am a LCneter. If this net is cooperating with you, I would review my
standing. If it is true, a little group LCs are willing to sign.
Reply please.
J Li
9/4/93

Mi Mi replied:

Thank you very much for your interest in signing Lads-net's petition letter.
As a matter of fact, your LCnet newsreleas carried the letter, that is the 
involvement of your LCnet with us. I can not provide more details, since 
the detailed cooperation is subject to the two different Committees, not
for the public. If you do not have that newrelease, please let me know.

As an earlier comer, I can say I have been exposed the Western Democracy
longer than you do, right? When you make a decision, please use your own
mind. Please recall that during Culture Revolution, many followed someone
without much pondering, and history proves they did wrong. I do not mean 
your LCnet is leading you the wrong way. I respect LCnet Working Committee,
They are doing excellent job in coordinating all the parties involved.  
I am proud of them. You will find out yourself. Honestly,
I can tell you, me, Mi Mi, have no LADs myself. My family are all 
principals. My voluntary work, is to help the CSS community in general. 
Think about this, and ask around. When we CSS LC and lads are fighting each
other, who is gaining the maximum benefits out of CSPA? I am not against 
those undocumented Chinese nationals, they are our fellow-country men. Those
lawyers are trying very hard to have those undocumented Chinese nationals
be included, so they can have more bussiness. This is done on the expense of
whose? Me? CSPAers with Lads? no. You? yes! While those undocumented
Chinese nationals are taking world-wide qiota without hurting you,
their lads, are going to take China's EB-3 and FB-2 quotas, per INA.
That is why this message is important to you, LCnetter, as you called
yourself, my brothers and sisters!.

Tell you the truth. We, lads-net and LCnet, have no money to lobby congress.
Neither has IFCSS. No one is interested in us, since democrats are now in 
White House. We are left with few options, no money, less manpower. If we
still fight each other, wasting our precious resources this way, then the 
outcome is obivious. Think about this.

Best wishes,

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee

======================================================================

Finally, J9LI@stthomas.edu signs Lads-net's petition letter.
Congradulations! You made a wise move! And thanks for your precious
support! United, we can make a difference!

Mi Mi 

Lads-net Committee




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Re: Calling for Lads-net local coordinators

Dear Lads-l netters! We lads-net committee are trying very hard to push our
petition letter drive. While we committee members are paying from our own 
pockets for the communication expenses, working day and night to promote the 
interests of all the lads-net members, we, are facing severe shortage of 
manpower and financial support. While we are not expecting any donations from
society (we tried to seek support from IFCSS, but they do not have any), we do 
hope some of you can step out to become our local coordinators. Our task will
be: 

1) find local Chinese newspapers, and try to persuade them to carry our 
news letter, 

2) provide your addresses and phone numbers to collect local 
signatures, 

3) input the signatures into computer and send them back to us.

As we do not have any financial backup to lobby congress, to hire 
lawyers, The only way is to unite and to help ourselvs.

Up to now, we have clues to publish our newsletter in NYC, and Boston. We 
need to do more, much more, to get ourselves be heard!

Thanx for your support!

Mi Mi 

Lads-net Committee


 

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I got several independent reports about the approve notice. One is from
UMass, the other on from SUNY. The SUNY guy called Eastern Center hotline,
and the recorded message says his son's case is approved. Try to check for
yourselvs. It is only a phone call away. If, the INS is doing too slow, 
then the 46,000 visa quota for CSPA this year might be wasted. If a large
chunk of CSPA principals are left for the comming year, just remember there
is only 20,000 quota available next year according to INS's estimation. 
We have to check this and find out the truth. We can not wait until it is 
too late. 

For minor children, it is much faster to get a greencard. They do not
need security check. Remember children under 14 do not have to submit
finger prints and biography, that are for FBI's security check only.
While the SUNY guy has his son's case approved, it might be his son is 
under 14. So his son got approved right away. 

It is truely alarming that, there are only 24 days left for the cut off
fiscal year 1993, and not many CSPAers are getting approve notice.

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep  7 14:29:21 1993
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Lads-net netters:

Following is the newsrelease from lc-l. Please pay attention to the item 1:
"A Brief Report About the Meeting With the IFCSS Officials", which, gives you
some clues of how our lads-related problem is treated. Item 2 gives you what
our counterpart net is doing or plan to do. While Item 3 is not much importance
to our netters, the item 4 does give us some useful information if some of
our lads are minor children.

For the sake of mis-understanding who is relaying this newsrelease, I put my
signature here. Last time some netters thought I was sending information to
them by mistake, and retaliated me with huge amount of junk mails, and me, 
Mi Mi, barely survived such a friendly attack! (just kidding! In order to 
handle the huge workload involved with lads-net, I shifted to this almost 
unlimited account).

Again, we need your understanding and cooperation.

Thank you for your attention!

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee

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                              Table of Contents
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   1. A Brief Report About the Meeting With the IFCSS Officials
   2. Several Questions about LCs Working Committee
   3. Signatures Call for Supporting China's 2000 Olympic Games Bidding
   4. Books and Magzines Service: msg from Pacific Ranbow Company
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1. A Brief Report About the Meeting With the IFCSS Officials
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     LCs Working Committee member, Mr. Xiaodong Huang of North Carolina 
State University participated a meeting held on last Saturday at University 
of North Carolina with IFCSS officials. Apart from Mr. Lin Changsheng, 
current IFCSS President, and Mr. Heping Shi, current IFCSS Vice President, 
there were only about 8 people attended the meeting. All the attendants 
are ECs except Mr. Huang. The following is a brief report about the meeting.

    (1) Several of them are in our LCnet mailing list. They praised for 
          the works and were happy to see that Mr. Chengyan Liu joined the 
          IFCSS instead of spliting of the CSS community;
    (2) Mr. Shi mentioned to Mr. Huang that Mr. Chengyan Liu can get his 
          own people for his committee;
    (3) Illegal immigrants can apply for CSPA (everybody can, actually), 
          but the chance to be approved is not big. However, PRC citizen 
          who came to this country but fell out of status later is also 
          eligible for CSPA;
    (4) Ms. Rita A. Boie just came back from vocation and the comments 
          concerned with CSPA become a pile on her desk;
    (5) More than 40,000 students may get their GC soon;
    (6) IFCSS had stopped to lobby for LADs.
    (7) 9 of the 16 council members of IFCSS are LCs. They can do what-
          ever they want in favor of LCs. They make the real decisions, 
          and IFCSS HQ should implement them. So it is important to get 
          those council members if we want IFCSS to work for us;
    (8) They will analyze the results and impact of CSPA when some con-
          crete data are available.
    (9) According to the Mr. Lin and Mr. Shi, Dr. Zhao Haiqing is now 
          working for a law firm to lobby for the possible eligibility
          of illegal immigrants to adjust their status under CSPA.

     The meeting also talked about the business, human rights, scholar-
ships, phone cards, medical insurance, data base for finding jobs, and etc.

     Another point worth to be mentioned is that everybody was sad that 
there were just a few people showing up, compared with the time when CSPA 
was introduced. 

     LCs Working Committee

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2. Several Questions about LCs Working Committee
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[Editor's note: Recently, we get lots of e-mail questioning the operations
                of LCs Working Committee. It's an encouragement as well as
                a democratic requirment. It's our obligation to answer these
                questions. If you still didn't satisfy the answer, please
                send your request to lc-l@ifcss.org.]

Q. How is your organization being operated, e.g. financing, negotiating, 
   public relationship, etc.?

A. Basically, everything done so far by LCs Working Committee is based on
   committee member's willingness to voluntarily serve Late Arriving Fellow
   Chinese Students and Scholars. There's no budget since there's no way
   for financing our activities. At the worst time, some of the committee
   members financed by their credit card. Every week, the Chairman of the
   committee announce a brief plan for discussion, and after the committee
   members reach a consensus, they will do their best to let the plan work. 
   We committee hold a principal to make friends as many as possible instead 
   of enemy. However, we will stand up firmly to fight with the real enemy.

Q. Do you contact lawyers constantly? Any expenses?

A. Recently, we committee members consulted with some lawyers in order to  
   get best possible solution. Almost all of them are our friends, so there
   is little expense envolved. However, we expected some mild expenses or 
   even more than mild expenses would be included in our budget. 

Q. When do you want to start to lobby INS and congress? What's the goal? 

A. Now we are trying to establish a close connection with INS, Department 
   of Justice, White House and Senator Immigration Sub-Committee. That's
   not a easy job. Just think about how long the CSPA get passed. The 
   primary goal of lobbying at current time is to reduce the negative 
   impacts of Illegal Chinese immigrants and LADs on LCs. 

Q. What's the relationship between you and IFCSS HQ?

A. First, we are independent. That's the fundamental principal which guide 
   the committee's operation. We see IFCSS as a feasible channel to achieve 
   what we want to. Now, we are contacting IFCSS through Mr. Chengyan Liu, 
   the chairman of newly established committee for LCs under IFCSS. Although
   IFCSS hosted the LCnet, we, the LC Wroking Committee, have the whole
   control over the LCnet.  

Q. Do you have an outline of your work? 

A. Since the world always change, we cannot give you a specific plan. How-
   ever, we'll update our working report when it's available.

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3. Signatures Call for Supporting China's 2000 Olympic Games Bidding
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The following message is just for your information. -- LCnet Editors

Date: Fri, 3 Sep 93 10:04:48 MDT
>From: jli@mines.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
To: LC-L@ifcss.org

        Now, you can FTP the lastest information and the signatures file.
Here is the procedure:

        FTP spike.rice.edu
        userID:         Anonymous
        password:       Anything you like
        directory:      China2000
        Files:          open.letter, signatures
        To copy:        get open.letter
                        get signatures

        Go ahead and give it a try!

                   *******************************
                   ***** CALL FOR SIGNATURES *****
                   *******************************

        We have drafted an ONE-SENTENCE open letter to support Beijing's bid
for the 2000 Olympics.  Please see the following for details.

        In order to triple double the number of signatures, here is
what we can do: (1) add the names of your family members if they also
support the idea; (2) collect signatures (names) from your friends who
don't have access to network computers and send all the signatures to
CHINA2000@SPIKE.RICE.EDU; and (3) DISTRIBUTE THE INFORMATION TO THE 
NETWORKS AND NEWSGROUPS IN YOUR COUNTRY AND YOUR LOCAL AREA.

1.  The content of the OPEN LETTER has only ONE SINGLE SENTENCE:

        WE FIRMLY SUPPORT BEIJING'S BID FOR THE 2000 OLYMPICS!
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2.  If you, your family members and your friends agree and want to sign for 
    support, please send their:  (one line for each person please)

        LAST NAME,FIRST NAME    SCHOOL OR CITY      COUNTRY
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    TO:     
                         ************************ 
                         CHINA2000@SPIKE.RICE.EDU
                         ************************

3.  DEADLINE:  9/8/93 Wednesday 12:00 Noon EST (USA).  No signatures will
    be accepted after the deadline.  The international Olympic Committee
    will vote on 9/23/93 to decide which city will host the 2000 Olympics!

4.  For latest news, please also pay attention to the following newsgroups:
        soc.culture.china       rec.sport.olympics 
        soc.culture.taiwan      soc.culture.hongkong

5.  The signatures will be:

        handed over to IOC-HQ IN PERSON!
        handed over to Beijing Olympic Bid Committee IN PERSON!
        mailed to US Olympic Committee.

    Thanks for all the support! Together, we can make a difference!

                ====================================
                BEIJING 2000 OLYMPICS UPDATE: 9/2/93
                ====================================

        We have collected about 3000 signatures. Here is a picture of the 
first 2550 supporters: 

                   Country/Area         # of Signatures 
                (current residence)        (estimate)   Rank

                        Australia               126     4
                        Belgium                  30     10
                        Canada                  360     2
                        China                    24
                        Finland                  84     5 
                        France                   45     8
                        Germany                  49     6
                        Holland                  13
                        Hong Kong                 1 
                        Israel                   23 
                        Italy                    18 
                        Japan                    47     7
                        Malaysia                  1 
                        Netherlands              22 
                        Norway                   12 
                        Singapore                18 
                        Sweden                   27 
                        Switzerland              32     9
                        Taiwan                   17 
                        UK                      224     3       
                        USA                    1378     1       

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4. Books and Magzines Service: msg from Pacific Rainbow Company
----------------------------------------------------------------------

>From jialuo@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu Fri Sep 3 16:29:54 1993
			
                           WE BRIDGE THE GAP!

	Are you tired of reading English text books or papers? Do you want
to get relaxation while reading a short essay in a Chinese magzine you are
familar with or a novel you love? Do you feel pitty not being able to find
any Chinese reading materials and text books for your children's
pre-school and elementary education?
	Now, "Pacific Rainbow Company" (PRC) can help you. The PRC
recently establish a brandnew service which we call:" We bridge the gap!"
The service distributes Chinese books and magzines published in China
directly to oversea Students/Scholars through mail order. The books and
magzines in our catalog are carefully seleted from the most recent and
popular publications in China, and ranged from literature, science,
sports, entertainment, history, health, social news to children's reading
and eduction. We also offer subscription of newspapaers in China.
	The prices, we think, are very reasonable (Around $ 2.00 a book,
$1.00 an issue of magzine, postage and tax have been included). If you
have any special orders, we'll also try our best to satisfy you. We hope
that this service can help the information flow from our motherland to us
and compensate the "homesick" among us, by using this culture rainbow to
bridge the gap.
	For free catalog and ordering information, please contact: (Don't
forget to incldue your regular mailing address, we'll mail it to you)

LUO, Jia
email:jialuo@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
Tel.319-353-4624
Pacific Rainbow Co.
513 Hawkeye Court
Iowa City, IA 52246 

or
Yu, Nai-xuan
email: shaobing@cgl.ucsf.edu
Tel:415-664-5269
450 Ortega st.
San Francisco, CA 94122
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From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Tue Sep  7 15:07:54 1993
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Re: Letters to the editor

Item 1:
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1993 13:29:21 -0500
>From: DLI@ecs.umass.edu
Subject: Re: Is there anyone who got approval?

Hi, Mi Mi:
Sorry to respond late. But my terminal was out of order in past a few days.
Regarding my friend's situation, he and his family have a priority date of
July 1. They were among those people who received their receipts earliest.
He himself is a postdoctor. You are right in saying that children are
getting approved much quicker since the approval cases I heard of were
most for children. However, I guess from this week, a lot of people will
receive their approval letters as well.

I appreciate the work you are doing. No matter what, we chinese as a
community, need more people like you.
Li,   9/7/93

Item 2:

Date:         Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:13:07 EDT
>From: Hugo Huang <YHUANG31%MAINE.bitnet@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Aproval Notice

My kid got his approval notice last Thursday(Sept.2). We sent the
applications in separate packages on June 30, and got our receipts on
July 17, and 24. Actually my kid received his receipt last (July 24),
but he got the aproval notice first. My wife and I haven't got the
decision letter from INS yet. I have learn in several cases  that kids
received their aproval notices already, but not their parents. Just as
someone on the net point out that kids under 14 don't need go through
the security check and relatively took much less time to process their
applications compared to their parents. Just for your information.

============End of Messages============================================

Mi Mi writes: There is 45 days required at least for FBI people to do 
the security check. If your kids received their approval notices, remember
you guys need 45 days more to wait. It is good news that some DO receive
the  approval notices, but, most of them are children. At this time, we 
just worry about the prospective wast of visa numbers. Remember, there are
only 20,000 leftover for next year! Hope IFCSS people can find out some
truth.

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CCF, Chinese Community Forum, carrys two brief introductions on two nets

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee

===============Included Message From CCF===============================
==========***==========***==========**==========***==========***==========
2a. A Brief introduction of Late-Arriving-Dependents (LADs) Network
    ............................................................ Mi Mi  36
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
LADs network was established on July 26. It was initiated by Peiyuan Zhou
<pei@nit.pactel.com>, who suggested on ccnl that all the netters with
lads-problems organize themselves to share lads related information
through a private mailing list. Very soon the number of netters increased
so rapidly that it became very difficult to be handled by Peiyuan Zhou
himself.  Then Jun Wu <snow@lucerne.rice.edu> offered his computer
resources to host the list. After CND-US reported the lads-net's sign-on
address, the number of netters has reached its peak. Now the lads-net
becomes a listserv (1), and has over 1000 subscribers. During early
August, the net was filled with so many e-mail messages that some of the
netters volunteered to organize a committee.  The purpose of this
committee was to compile questions and answers, dispatch messages, and
discuss the current issues. It was not until August 12 when Lads-net
Committee began to reach out to the CSS community in general.  The
Lads-net Committee has contacted LCnet Working Committee, IFCSS,
Dr. Zhao's NCCA and various other agencies. The current issues of
Lads-net Committee are:
        A) Keep close contact with various agencies to solve
lads-related problems,
        B) Write petition letters and collect signatures (2) to
persuade INS HQ that lads be included in the world-wide quota;
        C) Continue to provide lads-net netters with timely
lads-related information;
        D) Collect lads-related information.

Mi Mi

The Lads-net Committee

(1) To lads-l unsubscribe, send a e-mail to listserv@spike.rice.edu,
with mail body as: sub lads-l Firstname Lastname.
(2) To sign your signature on our petition letter, please send
a mail to lads-sig@spike.rice.edu.
The desired format is:
Mr./Ms/Miss:Name,Address,City,State,ZipCode,Tel#
        Co-signed Spouse,
        Co-signed Child.

                               [hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu, 9/5/93]
==========***==========***==========**==========***==========***==========
2b. A Brief History of LAFCSs Movement .................. Chengyan Liu  70
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           [The following article only expresses my personal
           opinions, it cannot be related to any committees.]

      Chinese Students Protection Act (CSPA) is a sign of hope as well as
a sign of frustration. It divides Chinese Students and Schoalrs (CSS)
community into two parts: those who came to the US before April 11, 1990
and those who came after.  It stirs up the internal fight among CSS
community.  Fortunately, the majority of CSS community are rational enough
to cool down and cooperate with each other to achieve the best they can.
      Past two months were crucial. Unsatisfied Late Arriving Fellow
Chinese Students (LAFCSs) demonstrated their unity and strength when they
found their potential rights would be deprived if they were not going to
stand up for themselves.
      On July 6, 1993, a group of LAFCSs in Los Angeles set up an e-mail
account and sent out the alert message which said the worst possible
damage for LAFCSs was to wait 16 years before they can get Permanent
Resident (PR) application approved. Followed this message, LAFCSs across
the United States woke up. They felt angry and betrayed. They
redistributed the related messages as much as they can.
      About July 12, a primitive network had been formed. They distributed
a petition letter written by a group of LAFCSs at Univ. of Wisconsin. The
main points was to persuade INS and related offices change the Interim
CSPA Implementation Regulation and considered the interests of LAFCSs.
      On July 19, upon the request of one LAFCS at Univ. of Pennsylvania,
Mr. Shannon Yeh set up late-comers net. It's a controversial action. Since
the reputation of Mr. Yeh is infamous among many Early Comers (ECs), they
just simply thought that the late-comers net would do no good for CSS
community.
      However, the truth is not as simple as 1+1=2. On July 24, the first
e-mail meeting of Interim Committee was held through Internet. They
intended to send some representatives to Washington D.C. since there was
no proper channel to solve the problem. They phoned IFCSS HQ, they phoned
several IFCSS council members, urged them to do something for the crisis
situation. But they failed. They couldn't trust IFCSS anymore.
      The nightmare didn't stop. On July 27, CND-US carried an improper
information to help the late-comers net. This resulted in a resignation
of Editor-in-Chief of the late-comers net.
      Meanwhile, some members of the Interim Committee found that Mr. Yeh
wnat to use the late-comers net with his personal purpose. They decided to
get rid of the crazy guy and move the whole net to a personal account at
Washington Univ. at St. Louis.
      They encountered lots of difficulties with the turbulent environment.
The only choice was the petition letter campaign before the deadline:
August 2nd. From July 31st, in only two days, they collected more than 700
signatures. The petition letter with all the signatures was faxed to White
House, Attorney General and INS.
      Experienced all the victories and troubles, they became mature.  A
totally new LCs Working Committee was formed by August 10th. Their inten-
tion is beyond CSPA though the CSPA was still an major focus. They try to
provide good service to LAFCSs and to bridge the gap between LAFCSs and
their motherland beyond CSPA.
      They learned how to fight for their rights through a proper channel.
On August 14th and 21st, the Chairman of LCs Working Committee was invited
to attend the first tele-conference of IFCSS council. They geared up
before and after the meeting to lobby the best possible results. Two
resolutions in favor of LAFCSs were passed unanimously.
      They also try to cooperate with LADs-net. Their strategies is to
make friends as many as possible instead of enemy.
      So far, LAFCSs are very happy to see their LCs Working Committee
work for them efficiently. However, we must say that the current situation
is not good enough for LAFCSs. There are LADs and illegal Chinese
immigrants, all of them are unpredictable factors at current time. If they
celebrate what they have achieved now, they may loss everything in future.
      There's a serious question to be answered, what's the goal beyond
CSPA?  If no one can answer this question, the LAFCSs movements would
become only a closed chapter of the whole history of the CSS community.
Personally, I hope both LAFCSs and ECs can discuss this question at
various level. It'll benefit CSS community as a whole.

      Chengyan Liu at Washington Univ., St. Louis

                                           [cliu@wuecon.wustl.edu, 9/8/93]
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5. Forecast of the coming issue themes ......................... EBCCF   8
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     Here is a tentative schedule for the coming issues and their themes:

     9/15/93(# 93.03):  IFCSS: Today and tomorrow (I)
     9/22/93(# 93.04):  ?

     The EBCCF welcomes contributions to the announced topics in coming
issues and invites recommendations for subsequent topics in future issues.

                                      [net-cord@lab.ultra.nyu.edu, 9/8/93]

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From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep  9 14:31:33 1993
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Dear Lads-net Netters:

After revisions made by various concerned netters, and a Ph.D. candidate 
majoring English and his Professor, we finalized our petition letter. 
Since the signatures are still rushing in, we lads-net committee decide to 
send out our petition letters in waves, each wave contains a new collection 
of signatures, until we get the attention we need. 

As CSPA is implemented, our lads, are left forgotten by some parties. More
attention is paid to our undocumented fellow country people, since they
bring more, much more bussiness to the Immigration Lawyer's Community. As
our counterpart, the late-arriving-students are organizing themselvs to 
vigorously participate in the IFCSS and CSPA affairs, we lads community, 
are patiently sitting on the "cold benches" watching the games going on.
Well, we need to do something more than watching.

Following is the final version of our petition letter, and addresses you 
can send them the letters. Our collective petition letters containing first
round of signatures (total 524, cut off before August 25) are sent out by 
Mi Mi and other aommittee members. It is your turn to send in yours, with
your signatures and address. Since there is no lawyers working on our side
(we can not afford the price), since so many lawyers working very hard on the 
other side, we have to do something. If we are even forgotten by ourselvs,
than who cares us? 

Please step forward, and fire your round of bullets: each dear netter
fires 5 bullets, and there will be 1000 letters for each recipients, and 
that will surely make a difference! Remember what I forwarded to you the
other day, Madam Rita A.Boie is back from her vocation, and Mr. Clinton
has nothing particular to do in the comming weekend, so, please!


Madam Rita A.Boie
Senior Immigration Examier
Adjudication Branch
Immigration & Naturalization Services
425 I Street NW, room 5307
Washington, DC 20536
FAX: (202)514-0198

White House:
The Honorable William Clinton
The White House
1600 Pennsyvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington DC 20500
FAX: (202) 456-2461

Attorney General
The Honorable Madam Janet Reno
U.S. Attorney General
Fax: (202) 514-4371

Ms. Philis Coven
Assistant to Attorney General
Fax:(202)-514-0238

Mr. Eric Schwartz
Director of Refugees & Humanitarian Affairs
National Security Council
The White House, !600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington D.C. 20506


RE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)

RE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)



	We, a group of concerned individuals who have signed 
our names and addresses below, would like to call your 
kindly attention to the following problems involved in 
subjecting Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals 
to the China quota.

	(1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of 
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars 
(IFCSS HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in 
the U.S., who may file their applications under EB-3 or FB-2 
during this August and September. Since the annual China 
quota in EB-3 or FB-2 is about 2500, these LADs only will 
cause a backlog in China's quota for at least four years. 
This means that no other Chinese nationals can file 
applications for adjustment of status under EB-3 or FB-2 
categories in the next four years. What is worse, according 
to the INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese 
nationals who came before April 11, 1990 and have since 
obtained an advance parole to re-enter the U.S. are now 
allowed to apply under CSPA. While this new decision 
reflects the humanitarian and protective spirit embedded in 
the Executive Order 12711, these additional applicants with 
their LADs actually face even greater difficulties, because 
most of their LADs are queued after the existing pool of 
LADs whose principals entered the United States legally. 
These people, then, will be subject to an even longer period 
of family separation. In addition, the unpredictable number 
of LADs of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the 
normal China EB-3 and FB-2 categories for even more years. 
The traditional values of family ties, family unity and 
humanity, cherished so dearly by the American people, are 
also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and in every 
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation due to visa 
quota allocation will surely bring agony and misery to those 
families, in contradiction to the humanitarian spirit 
embedded in the INA, Executive order 12711 and CSPA.

	(2) For dependents still remaining in China, the 
situation is even more bleak. These individuals, most of 
whom are minor children, as our survey of our LADs community 
shows, would be required to wait in China until visa numbers 
are available. They could potentially be separated from 
their parents for many years. The separation will not only 
deprive these minor children of their much needed parental 
care, but also strain the precious family ties in those 
families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the 
U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, might 
reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would 
disqualify them for visa issuance.

	To solve these problems, we would like to suggest the 
following:

	(1) Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since 
the CSPA principals have been allocated into the world-wide 
quota leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to 
assume that there might be similar world-wide quota 
leftovers for the next few years. Instead of wasting these 
leftover world-wide quotas while letting the LADs block 
China's regular EB-3 and EB-2 channels, re-allocating LADs 
to the world quota would solve the backlog problem, thus 
benefiting many Chinese families at the expense of no-one.

	(2) Establish a blanket family unity program to include 
all late-arriving dependents. This program should mirror the 
benefits of Executive Order 12711 in (a) giving favorable 
considerations to the dependents in China who request non-
immigrant visas to visit their family in the U.S., so that 
their visa application will not be simply rejected due to 
the "immigration intent"; (b) presuming the non-immigrant 
status of LADs for adjustment purposes, so as to eliminate 
the DED problem faced by an estimated 50% of the LAD 
population; (c) providing liberal advance paroles; (d) 
providing employment authorization for the dependents while 
their applications are being processed; and (e) allowing 
children who are under twenty-one on the date of the CSPA 
principal's approval to be eligible for adjustment, even if 
they are over twenty-one at the date of application for such 
adjustment. This family unity program should solve problems 
in the case by case voluntary departure program and shorten 
family separation resulting from non-immigrant visa denial.

	Thank you for your attention. We are most anxiously 
looking forward to hearing from you.


Sincerely Yours,









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Sender: csenet@watson.ibm.com    7-SEP-1993
Subject: approval & priority date

	Hi, there. I happened to see an approval notice last Saturday. It is for
	a ten year old boy. They live in Boston area and received the notice on
	Sept. 3. As now (not surprising), the adults in the family did not get
	any notice though they got receiving notices on the same day in July.

	However the priority date for the boy is Aug. 31, same as the approval
 	date. It is not so serious, since the boy can hardly have any lads. But
 	it would be serious if INS processed in this way. Is this a individual
 	case (INS made a small mistake when sending the notice) or the common 
	practices.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"XCAI@bnlcl6.bnl.gov"  9-SEP-1993 09:37:08.14
Subj:	LAD filing in NYC

	Dear Sirs:

	I have filed CSPA-dependent application for my wife in New York INS on
	8/29/93. The officer indicated to me that since our marriage happened
	after 4/11/91 we cannot file for "following-to join" petition in EB3
	catergory. After some argueing she reluctantly accepted our application
	package but said it would most likely to be rejected. 

	I wonder if anybody else has the same experience, especially in NYC 
	area. I am new in this mailing-list so if it is a FAQ please forgive me.

	Zhi-Xiong Cai
	Brookhaven National Lab

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:	IN%"***@***.gatech.edu"   9-SEP-1993 15:39:28.01
Subj:	I-89

	I applied PR under CSPA thru the Texas service center. My receipt 
	didn't ask me to do I-89 and that's also true with most of my friends 
	that sent their applications to the Texas center. 
	But recently many CSS at Atlanta have gone to INS Atlanta to do the 
	I-89 processing, without instructions from the service center. I don't
	know how it got started, but INS Atlanta accepts them anyway. My 
	question is: should I also do that? and does this I-89 prevent me to 
	be approved in this year if it's not done by the end of this month?

================================================================================


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep  9 15:56:26 1993
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Dear netters: Mi Mi has fired his first round petition letters, 20 pages
each, with three ordinary mails and two faxes. It is your turn to fire
your rounds! Hopefully President Clinton will look at his fax machine 
and think something other than golf....

Best Wishes,

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Thu Sep  9 16:00:21 1993
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One typo was found in the address, it should be:

Mr. Eric Schwartz
Director of Refugees & Humanitarian Affairs
National Security Council
The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington D.C. 20506

I typed as !600, instead of 1600. Sorry for the inconvienence!

Mi Mi


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Hi, we committee fire with collective signatures, up to 8/25. The rest will
be fired with each 500 new ones or so, just keep the pressure on. We strongly
encourage our netter to fire their own individual petition letters, through
mail and fax, to voice your concerns. Frankly speaking, we  lads-net 
committee do not have financial backings to hire lawyers to work for us, 
and we are short of everything, budget (none, up to now), manpower, except
the support from our dear netters. So please take actions to send our petition
letters to the concerned agencies, before it is too late. Remember, unite,
we stand. United, we can make a difference!

Mi Mi

lads-net Committee
/I am a little confused about "firing". You guys have collected the signature
/from me and would be going to send the letters with my signature and others'.
/Do I need to fire them by the letters with my signature again? Thanks.
/Donglin Mi


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Hi, everybody! As suggested by some netters, hundreds of letters arrive at
the same time may not be a good idea. To make our voice be heard, we need
to push continuously. While we ladsc-net committee have no way to check
the petition letter firing, we need some co-ordination. I suggest the following:
everybody gets his/her petition letters ready. 

1) Each one who has fired please send a message to us, so we can count the
letters sent;
2) Those of you who have not fired please wait for committee's further 
instructions as when to fire, and who is going to fire. We may set a 
sequence according to your first names' first letter, say, if we say those
whose first letter is A to fire, then everybody with letter A as first letter
of his/her first name are required to fire.;

3) We will collect the progress and report it to you daily.

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee




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A new account is set up to collect your firing. Every one who has sent 
her/his petition letter please send a message to 

petition@spike.rice.edu

with your name in the mail body, and the reciepints you have sent to,
say, every one, or just Clintion, etc. While you fire off, we suggest 
you fire of all the 

five


We will check how many of you fired, and decide who is the next round.

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee


From lads-l@spike.rice.edu  Fri Sep 10 16:22:03 1993
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>From shu@pollux.GEOG.UCSB.EDU Fri Sep 10 15:36:05 1993
Date:     Fri, 10 Sep 93 12:31:21 PDT
>From: shu@pollux.GEOG.UCSB.EDU
To: hua7291@med2s0.engr.ccny.cuny.EDU
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Status: R

Dear LADs-Net Netters:

For saving your time, I have formated the five petition letters separately with
UNIX vi editor. Please use this well-formated file to print your personal petition
letters if you work on UNIX. Let's help the LAD committee
members and also help ourselves.

The following is the formated letters:

==============================================================================
.ND 
.nr LL 6.0i
.nr PO 1.25i
.nr HM 1.25i
.ds CF
.ds CH
.nr PS 10
.nr VS 12
.in 4.5i
.LP
.B
September 9, 1993
.in 0i
.R
.LP
.br
Madam Rita A.Boie
.br
Senior Immigration Examier
.br
Adjudication Branch
.br
Immigration & Naturalization Services
.br
425 I Street NW, room 5307
.br
Washington, DC 20536
.br
FAX: (202)514-0198
.sp
.nr PS 11
.nr VS 15
\fBRE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)\fR
.sp 2 
.LP
\fBDear Madam Rita Boie:\fR
.sp 0.5v
.LP
We, a group of concerned individuals who have signed 
our names and addresses below, would like to call your 
kindly attention to the following problems involved in 
subjecting Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals 
to the China quota.
.LP
.sp
(1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of 
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars 
(IFCSS HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in 
the U.S., who may file their applications under EB-3 or FB-2 
during this August and September. Since the annual China 
quota in EB-3 or FB-2 is about 2500, these LADs only will 
cause a backlog in China's quota for at least four years. 
This means that no other Chinese nationals can file 
applications for adjustment of status under EB-3 or FB-2 
categories in the next four years. What is worse, according 
to the INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese 
nationals who came before April 11, 1990 and have since 
obtained an advance parole to re-enter the U.S. are now 
allowed to apply under CSPA. While this new decision 
reflects the humanitarian and protective spirit embedded in 
the Executive Order 12711, these additional applicants with 
their LADs actually face even greater difficulties, because 
most of their LADs are queued after the existing pool of 
LADs whose principals entered the United States legally. 
These people, then, will be subject to an even longer period 
of family separation. In addition, the unpredictable number 
of LADs of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the 
normal China EB-3 and FB-2 categories for even more years. 
The traditional values of family ties, family unity and 
humanity, cherished so dearly by the American people, are 
also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and in every 
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation due to visa 
quota allocation will surely bring agony and misery to those 
families, in contradiction to the humanitarian spirit 
embedded in the INA, Executive order 12711 and CSPA.
.LP
.sp
(2) For dependents still remaining in China, the 
situation is even more bleak. These individuals, most of 
whom are minor children, as our survey of our LADs community 
shows, would be required to wait in China until visa numbers 
are available. They could potentially be separated from 
their parents for many years. The separation will not only 
deprive these minor children of their much needed parental 
care, but also strain the precious family ties in those 
families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the 
U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, might 
reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would 
disqualify them for visa issuance.
.LP
.sp
\fBTo solve these problems, we would like to suggest the following:\fR
.sp o.5v
.IP (1)
Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since 
the CSPA principals have been allocated into the world-wide 
quota leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to 
assume that there might be similar world-wide quota 
leftovers for the next few years. Instead of wasting these 
leftover world-wide quotas while letting the LADs block 
China's regular EB-3 and EB-2 channels, re-allocating LADs 
to the world quota would solve the backlog problem, thus 
benefiting many Chinese families at the expense of no-one.
.sp 0.5v
.IP (2) 
Establish a blanket family unity program to include 
all late-arriving dependents. This program should mirror the 
benefits of Executive Order 12711 in: 
.in 0.8i
.IP (a) 
giving favorable 
considerations to the dependents in China who request non-
immigrant visas to visit their family in the U.S., so that 
their visa application will not be simply rejected due to 
the "immigration intent"; 
.IP (b) 
presuming the non-immigrant 
status of LADs for adjustment purposes, so as to eliminate 
the DED problem faced by an estimated 50% of the LAD population; 
.IP (c) 
providing liberal advance paroles; 
.IP (d) 
providing employment authorization for the dependents while 
their applications are being processed; and 
.IP (e) 
allowing children who are under twenty-one on the date of the CSPA 
principal's approval to be eligible for adjustment, even if 
they are over twenty-one at the date of application for such 
adjustment. This family unity program should solve problems 
in the case by case voluntary departure program and shorten 
family separation resulting from non-immigrant visa denial.
.in 0i
.sp
.LP
Thank you for your attention. We are most anxiously 
looking forward to hearing from you.
.LP
.sp
.in 3.6i
Sincerely yours,
.br
.sp4
(Name)
.br
(Address)
.br
(City, Zip)
.br
(Tel:)
 ==================================
==========================================
==
.ND 
.nr LL 6.0i
.nr PO 1.25i
.nr HM 1.25i
.ds CF
.ds CH
.nr PS 10
.nr VS 12
.in 4.5i
.LP
.B
September 9, 1993
.in 0i
.R
.LP
.br
White House:
.br
The Honorable William Clinton
.br
The White House
.br
Washington DC 20500
.br
FAX: (202) 456-2461
.br
.sp
.nr PS 11
.nr VS 15
\fBRE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)\fR
.sp 2 
.LP
\fBDear Mr. Clinton:\fR
.sp 0.5v
.LP
We, a group of concerned individuals who have signed 
our names and addresses below, would like to call your 
kindly attention to the following problems involved in 
subjecting Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals 
to the China quota.
.LP
.sp
(1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of 
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars 
(IFCSS HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in 
the U.S., who may file their applications under EB-3 or FB-2 
during this August and September. Since the annual China 
quota in EB-3 or FB-2 is about 2500, these LADs only will 
cause a backlog in China's quota for at least four years. 
This means that no other Chinese nationals can file 
applications for adjustment of status under EB-3 or FB-2 
categories in the next four years. What is worse, according 
to the INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese 
nationals who came before April 11, 1990 and have since 
obtained an advance parole to re-enter the U.S. are now 
allowed to apply under CSPA. While this new decision 
reflects the humanitarian and protective spirit embedded in 
the Executive Order 12711, these additional applicants with 
their LADs actually face even greater difficulties, because 
most of their LADs are queued after the existing pool of 
LADs whose principals entered the United States legally. 
These people, then, will be subject to an even longer period 
of family separation. In addition, the unpredictable number 
of LADs of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the 
normal China EB-3 and FB-2 categories for even more years. 
The traditional values of family ties, family unity and 
humanity, cherished so dearly by the American people, are 
also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and in every 
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation due to visa 
quota allocation will surely bring agony and misery to those 
families, in contradiction to the humanitarian spirit 
embedded in the INA, Executive order 12711 and CSPA.
.LP
.sp
(2) For dependents still remaining in China, the 
situation is even more bleak. These individuals, most of 
whom are minor children, as our survey of our LADs community 
shows, would be required to wait in China until visa numbers 
are available. They could potentially be separated from 
their parents for many years. The separation will not only 
deprive these minor children of their much needed parental 
care, but also strain the precious family ties in those 
families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the 
U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, might 
reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would 
disqualify them for visa issuance.
.LP
.sp
\fBTo solve these problems, we would like to suggest the following:\fR
.sp o.5v
.IP (1)
Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since 
the CSPA principals have been allocated into the world-wide 
quota leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to 
assume that there might be similar world-wide quota 
leftovers for the next few years. Instead of wasting these 
leftover world-wide quotas while letting the LADs block 
China's regular EB-3 and EB-2 channels, re-allocating LADs 
to the world quota would solve the backlog problem, thus 
benefiting many Chinese families at the expense of no-one.
.sp 0.5v
.IP (2) 
Establish a blanket family unity program to include 
all late-arriving dependents. This program should mirror the 
benefits of Executive Order 12711 in: 
.in 0.8i
.IP (a) 
giving favorable 
considerations to the dependents in China who request non-
immigrant visas to visit their family in the U.S., so that 
their visa application will not be simply rejected due to 
the "immigration intent"; 
.IP (b) 
presuming the non-immigrant 
status of LADs for adjustment purposes, so as to eliminate 
the DED problem faced by an estimated 50% of the LAD population; 
.IP (c) 
providing liberal advance paroles; 
.IP (d) 
providing employment authorization for the dependents while 
their applications are being processed; and 
.IP (e) 
allowing children who are under twenty-one on the date of the CSPA 
principal's approval to be eligible for adjustment, even if 
they are over twenty-one at the date of application for such 
adjustment. This family unity program should solve problems 
in the case by case voluntary departure program and shorten 
family separation resulting from non-immigrant visa denial.
.in 0i
.sp
.LP
Thank you for your attention. We are most anxiously 
looking forward to hearing from you.
.LP
.sp
.in 3.6i
Sincerely yours,
.br
.sp4
(Name)
.br
(Address)
.br
(City, Zip)
.br
(Tel:)
 ==================================
==========================================
==
.ND 
.nr LL 6.0i
.nr PO 1.25i
.nr HM 1.25i
.ds CF
.ds CH
.nr PS 10
.nr VS 12
.in 4.5i
.LP
.B
September 9, 1993
.in 0i
.R
.LP
.br
Attorney General
.br
The Honorable Madam Janet Reno
.br
U.S. Attorney General
.br
Fax: (202) 514-4371
.br
.sp
.nr PS 11
.nr VS 15
\fBRE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)\fR
.sp 2 
.LP
\fBDear Madam Reno:\fR
.sp 0.5v
.LP
We, a group of concerned individuals who have signed 
our names and addresses below, would like to call your 
kindly attention to the following problems involved in 
subjecting Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals 
to the China quota.
.LP
.sp
(1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of 
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars 
(IFCSS HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in 
the U.S., who may file their applications under EB-3 or FB-2 
during this August and September. Since the annual China 
quota in EB-3 or FB-2 is about 2500, these LADs only will 
cause a backlog in China's quota for at least four years. 
This means that no other Chinese nationals can file 
applications for adjustment of status under EB-3 or FB-2 
categories in the next four years. What is worse, according 
to the INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese 
nationals who came before April 11, 1990 and have since 
obtained an advance parole to re-enter the U.S. are now 
allowed to apply under CSPA. While this new decision 
reflects the humanitarian and protective spirit embedded in 
the Executive Order 12711, these additional applicants with 
their LADs actually face even greater difficulties, because 
most of their LADs are queued after the existing pool of 
LADs whose principals entered the United States legally. 
These people, then, will be subject to an even longer period 
of family separation. In addition, the unpredictable number 
of LADs of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the 
normal China EB-3 and FB-2 categories for even more years. 
The traditional values of family ties, family unity and 
humanity, cherished so dearly by the American people, are 
also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and in every 
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation due to visa 
quota allocation will surely bring agony and misery to those 
families, in contradiction to the humanitarian spirit 
embedded in the INA, Executive order 12711 and CSPA.
.LP
.sp
(2) For dependents still remaining in China, the 
situation is even more bleak. These individuals, most of 
whom are minor children, as our survey of our LADs community 
shows, would be required to wait in China until visa numbers 
are available. They could potentially be separated from 
their parents for many years. The separation will not only 
deprive these minor children of their much needed parental 
care, but also strain the precious family ties in those 
families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the 
U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, might 
reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would 
disqualify them for visa issuance.
.LP
.sp
\fBTo solve these problems, we would like to suggest the following:\fR
.sp o.5v
.IP (1)
Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since 
the CSPA principals have been allocated into the world-wide 
quota leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to 
assume that there might be similar world-wide quota 
leftovers for the next few years. Instead of wasting these 
leftover world-wide quotas while letting the LADs block 
China's regular EB-3 and EB-2 channels, re-allocating LADs 
to the world quota would solve the backlog problem, thus 
benefiting many Chinese families at the expense of no-one.
.sp 0.5v
.IP (2) 
Establish a blanket family unity program to include 
all late-arriving dependents. This program should mirror the 
benefits of Executive Order 12711 in: 
.in 0.8i
.IP (a) 
giving favorable 
considerations to the dependents in China who request non-
immigrant visas to visit their family in the U.S., so that 
their visa application will not be simply rejected due to 
the "immigration intent"; 
.IP (b) 
presuming the non-immigrant 
status of LADs for adjustment purposes, so as to eliminate 
the DED problem faced by an estimated 50% of the LAD population; 
.IP (c) 
providing liberal advance paroles; 
.IP (d) 
providing employment authorization for the dependents while 
their applications are being processed; and 
.IP (e) 
allowing children who are under twenty-one on the date of the CSPA 
principal's approval to be eligible for adjustment, even if 
they are over twenty-one at the date of application for such 
adjustment. This family unity program should solve problems 
in the case by case voluntary departure program and shorten 
family separation resulting from non-immigrant visa denial.
.in 0i
.sp
.LP
Thank you for your attention. We are most anxiously 
looking forward to hearing from you.
.LP
.sp
.in 3.6i
Sincerely yours,
.br
.sp4
(Name)
.br
(Address)
.br
(City, Zip)
.br
(Tel:)
 ==================================
==========================================
==
.ND 
.nr LL 6.0i
.nr PO 1.25i
.nr HM 1.25i
.ds CF
.ds CH
.nr PS 10
.nr VS 12
.in 4.5i
.LP
.B
September 9, 1993
.in 0i
.R
.LP
.br
Ms. Philis Coven
.br
Assistant to Attorney General
.br
Fax:(202)-514-0238
.br
.sp
.nr PS 11
.nr VS 15
\fBRE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)\fR
.sp 2 
.LP
\fBDear Ms. Coven:\fR
.sp 0.5v
.LP
We, a group of concerned individuals who have signed 
our names and addresses below, would like to call your 
kindly attention to the following problems involved in 
subjecting Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals 
to the China quota.
.LP
.sp
(1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of 
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars 
(IFCSS HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in 
the U.S., who may file their applications under EB-3 or FB-2 
during this August and September. Since the annual China 
quota in EB-3 or FB-2 is about 2500, these LADs only will 
cause a backlog in China's quota for at least four years. 
This means that no other Chinese nationals can file 
applications for adjustment of status under EB-3 or FB-2 
categories in the next four years. What is worse, according 
to the INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese 
nationals who came before April 11, 1990 and have since 
obtained an advance parole to re-enter the U.S. are now 
allowed to apply under CSPA. While this new decision 
reflects the humanitarian and protective spirit embedded in 
the Executive Order 12711, these additional applicants with 
their LADs actually face even greater difficulties, because 
most of their LADs are queued after the existing pool of 
LADs whose principals entered the United States legally. 
These people, then, will be subject to an even longer period 
of family separation. In addition, the unpredictable number 
of LADs of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the 
normal China EB-3 and FB-2 categories for even more years. 
The traditional values of family ties, family unity and 
humanity, cherished so dearly by the American people, are 
also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and in every 
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation due to visa 
quota allocation will surely bring agony and misery to those 
families, in contradiction to the humanitarian spirit 
embedded in the INA, Executive order 12711 and CSPA.
.LP
.sp
(2) For dependents still remaining in China, the 
situation is even more bleak. These individuals, most of 
whom are minor children, as our survey of our LADs community 
shows, would be required to wait in China until visa numbers 
are available. They could potentially be separated from 
their parents for many years. The separation will not only 
deprive these minor children of their much needed parental 
care, but also strain the precious family ties in those 
families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the 
U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, might 
reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would 
disqualify them for visa issuance.
.LP
.sp
\fBTo solve these problems, we would like to suggest the following:\fR
.sp o.5v
.IP (1)
Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since 
the CSPA principals have been allocated into the world-wide 
quota leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to 
assume that there might be similar world-wide quota 
leftovers for the next few years. Instead of wasting these 
leftover world-wide quotas while letting the LADs block 
China's regular EB-3 and EB-2 channels, re-allocating LADs 
to the world quota would solve the backlog problem, thus 
benefiting many Chinese families at the expense of no-one.
.sp 0.5v
.IP (2) 
Establish a blanket family unity program to include 
all late-arriving dependents. This program should mirror the 
benefits of Executive Order 12711 in: 
.in 0.8i
.IP (a) 
giving favorable 
considerations to the dependents in China who request non-
immigrant visas to visit their family in the U.S., so that 
their visa application will not be simply rejected due to 
the "immigration intent"; 
.IP (b) 
presuming the non-immigrant 
status of LADs for adjustment purposes, so as to eliminate 
the DED problem faced by an estimated 50% of the LAD population; 
.IP (c) 
providing liberal advance paroles; 
.IP (d) 
providing employment authorization for the dependents while 
their applications are being processed; and 
.IP (e) 
allowing children who are under twenty-one on the date of the CSPA 
principal's approval to be eligible for adjustment, even if 
they are over twenty-one at the date of application for such 
adjustment. This family unity program should solve problems 
in the case by case voluntary departure program and shorten 
family separation resulting from non-immigrant visa denial.
.in 0i
.sp
.LP
Thank you for your attention. We are most anxiously 
looking forward to hearing from you.
.LP
.sp
.in 3.6i
Sincerely yours,
.br
.sp4
(Name)
.br
(Address)
.br
(City, Zip)
.br
(Tel:)
 ==================================
==========================================
==
.ND 
.nr LL 6.0i
.nr PO 1.25i
.nr HM 1.25i
.ds CF
.ds CH
.nr PS 10
.nr VS 12
.in 4.5i
.LP
.B
September 9, 1993
.in 0i
.R
.LP
.br
Mr. Eric Schwartz
.br
Director of Refugees & Humanitarian Affairs
.br
National Security Council
.br
The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
.br
Washington D.C. 20506
.br
.sp
.nr PS 11
.nr VS 15
\fBRE: Chinese Student Protection Act (CSPA)\fR
.sp 2 
.LP
\fBDear Mr. Schwartz:\fR
.sp 0.5v
.LP
We, a group of concerned individuals who have signed 
our names and addresses below, would like to call your 
kindly attention to the following problems involved in 
subjecting Late-Arriving Dependents (LAD) of CSPA principals 
to the China quota.
.LP
.sp
(1) According to the survey made by the Headquarters of 
the Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars 
(IFCSS HQ), there are approximately 10000 eligible LADs in 
the U.S., who may file their applications under EB-3 or FB-2 
during this August and September. Since the annual China 
quota in EB-3 or FB-2 is about 2500, these LADs only will 
cause a backlog in China's quota for at least four years. 
This means that no other Chinese nationals can file 
applications for adjustment of status under EB-3 or FB-2 
categories in the next four years. What is worse, according 
to the INS Cable on August 13, those undocumented Chinese 
nationals who came before April 11, 1990 and have since 
obtained an advance parole to re-enter the U.S. are now 
allowed to apply under CSPA. While this new decision 
reflects the humanitarian and protective spirit embedded in 
the Executive Order 12711, these additional applicants with 
their LADs actually face even greater difficulties, because 
most of their LADs are queued after the existing pool of 
LADs whose principals entered the United States legally. 
These people, then, will be subject to an even longer period 
of family separation. In addition, the unpredictable number 
of LADs of undocumented Chinese nationals will jam the 
normal China EB-3 and FB-2 categories for even more years. 
The traditional values of family ties, family unity and 
humanity, cherished so dearly by the American people, are 
also deeply rooted in the Chinese culture and in every 
Chinese family. The anticipated long separation due to visa 
quota allocation will surely bring agony and misery to those 
families, in contradiction to the humanitarian spirit 
embedded in the INA, Executive order 12711 and CSPA.
.LP
.sp
(2) For dependents still remaining in China, the 
situation is even more bleak. These individuals, most of 
whom are minor children, as our survey of our LADs community 
shows, would be required to wait in China until visa numbers 
are available. They could potentially be separated from 
their parents for many years. The separation will not only 
deprive these minor children of their much needed parental 
care, but also strain the precious family ties in those 
families. In addition, many of the dependents, both in the 
U.S. and in China, who are now considered children, might 
reach the age of 21 prior to visa availability. This would 
disqualify them for visa issuance.
.LP
.sp
\fBTo solve these problems, we would like to suggest the following:\fR
.sp o.5v
.IP (1)
Re-allocate the LADs into the world quota. Since 
the CSPA principals have been allocated into the world-wide 
quota leftovers for fiscal year 1993, it is reasonable to 
assume that there might be similar world-wide quota 
leftovers for the next few years. Instead of wasting these 
leftover world-wide quotas while letting the LADs block 
China's regular EB-3 and EB-2 channels, re-allocating LADs 
to the world quota would solve the backlog problem, thus 
benefiting many Chinese families at the expense of no-one.
.sp 0.5v
.IP (2) 
Establish a blanket family unity program to include 
all late-arriving dependents. This program should mirror the 
benefits of Executive Order 12711 in: 
.in 0.8i
.IP (a) 
giving favorable 
considerations to the dependents in China who request non-
immigrant visas to visit their family in the U.S., so that 
their visa application will not be simply rejected due to 
the "immigration intent"; 
.IP (b) 
presuming the non-immigrant 
status of LADs for adjustment purposes, so as to eliminate 
the DED problem faced by an estimated 50% of the LAD population; 
.IP (c) 
providing liberal advance paroles; 
.IP (d) 
providing employment authorization for the dependents while 
their applications are being processed; and 
.IP (e) 
allowing children who are under twenty-one on the date of the CSPA 
principal's approval to be eligible for adjustment, even if 
they are over twenty-one at the date of application for such 
adjustment. This family unity program should solve problems 
in the case by case voluntary departure program and shorten 
family separation resulting from non-immigrant visa denial.
.in 0i
.sp
.LP
Thank you for your attention. We are most anxiously 
looking forward to hearing from you.
.LP
.sp
.in 3.6i
Sincerely yours,
.br
.sp4
(Name)
.br
(Address)
.br
(City, Zip)
.br
(Tel:)
 ==================================
==========================================
==


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Dear lads-net netters, those of you with your first names start with
A, B, C, D please send your petition letters when you see this notice.
When you finish, please drop a message to
petition@spike.rice.edu
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
to report your record, so we can count for how many netters have done so.

Thanx!

Mi Mi 

It is said 45,000 will be getting their approval notice, based on some
netters' reports from several TV shows. I am afraid there is nothing new
nor authoritive. Everybody knows INS is trying to approve as many as possible
to use up 45,000 leftovers. How can they finish is another problem. We want
to know what is the progress, not what was projected. 


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Dear Netters:

1) Second Round petition wave is almost done. The cut-off date is from 8/26-8/31,
and there are 510 signatures in total.

2) A Chinese version of petition letter asking signatures from general Chinese
population is been drafted and circulating among committee members. We expect it
to be done in this week. This letter will be sent to Chinese media.

3) According to World Journal report on Saturday 9/11/93, New York Edition, the 
Chinese restaurants are experiencing unexpected labor shortages in New York 
Metropolitan area. The area, which has the highest concentration of undocumented 
Chinese nationals in the U.S., once was filled with job seekers, and the wages 
were driven down to the bones. Now, since many undocumented Chinese nationals, 
most of them are now chefs, have obtained Advance Paroles. They left for China 
in order to re-enter US to be eligible for CSPA applications. The crack on people
smuggling also causes the labor shortage of less skilled new-comers. Since many 
cashiers are Chinese students and now return to the schools, this also contributes
to the shortage.

Mi Mi

Lads-net Committee


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>From:	IN%"dai@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu"  "Xu Dai" 10-SEP-1993 11:39:19.30
Subj:	DED: how to fill the status

	Hi, netters,
		I post the question for my friend, who has no access to
	LAD net. If anyone  knows the answer or has suggestions, please
	send a mail to me, I appreciate.

	My friend is a CSPA principal, but he applied DED before July 1, 1993.
	So he lost his F-1 status. His wife is LAD, and is filing the I-485,
	so how does she fill her status now? Should she fill DED, or still
	fill F-2? 

	Please give some suggestions. Thanks a lot!

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>From:	IN%"zha6@midway.uchicago.edu"  "minghui zhang" 10-SEP-1993 18:56:44.93
Subj:	FYI


	The following is for your information only.

	From: rskhanna@access.digex.net (Rajiv S. Khanna)
	Newsgroups: alt.visa.us,soc.culture.indian
	Date: 10 Sep 1993 07:47:24 -0400

	******** CSPA Application Numbers ******

	The INS announced on September 8, 1993, that as of
	September 3, 1993, a total of 51,461 CSPA applications
	had been received. 42% of the applications were
	filed at the Eastern Service Center (Vermont).

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>From:	IN%"xiaozhuo@math.msu.edu" "Yang Xiaozhuo" 10-SEP-1993 22:48:43.94

 	I would like to report the following question to see if you have a 
	similar questions.
 
  	The Detroit INS accepts the applications. As for the birth certificate,
 	it accepted our and a lot of other friend's either Chinese Citizenship
 	Cards or Birth Certificates from the Police Offices or local 
	gorvernment in China. But one day some friends went there to send the 
	applications, the INS refused to accept the some documents that they 
	accepted before. Then only accepted the notarized  birth certificates
  	by Chinese notarization officers. 

 	The question is 
	1. If only notarized birth certificates are acceptable.
 	2. Since INS accepted so many non-notarized birth certificates, are 
	   we required to give them the NOTARIZED ONE at the time of interviews.
	3. If it is possible to send messages to INS HQ to solve this problem.

 	As far as I know there are many people with notarized birth 
	certificates. However there are still many people who have no accesses
 	to get their birth certifcates notarized. This fact may give INS the 
	wrong impression that it is possible to get notarized B.C.

 	One thing is very strange the INS do not accept the real birth 
	certificates from the hospitals.

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>From:	IN%"ph274rr@prism.gatech.edu" 12-SEP-1993 15:15:36.04

	If the principle's spouse just arrived from China. Can the spouse apply
	for PR as Late Coming Dependant?

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>From:	IN%"BH1107@tntech.edu" 12-SEP-1993 23:52:09.10
Subj:	approval message


	Hi, netter:

	We called southern center to ask the information for my husbend's PR 
	application this afternoon (the phone number is on the bottom of the
	receipt sheet). The automatic system told us that my husbend's 
	application has been approved and an approval notice has mailed to him 
	at Sept.10,1993.

	We think that there are many applications have been approved and many 
	approval notices have sent out last week. Since we have not heard any 
	approval notices was received by a adult. We post our experience for 
	your reference. You can make a call to ask the status of your case by 
	the phone number which is at the bottom of your receipt. The automatic
 	system will tell you about your case.

	Good luck!!!

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September 13, 1993

Q&A

Q1) May my lads apply for EB-3 PR in October? 
A1) You may not be able to do so. The priority date for October has been 
retrogressed to July 1. Since CSPA principal's priority date is July 1 at the 
earliest, your lads may not be able to do apply for EB-3 PR in October if your
priority date is later than July 1. 

Q2) If my priority date is after July 1, may my lads apply for EB-3 PR in 
November?
A2) It depends on the visa availability in November. The priority date may
even retrogress further back in November, say, June 1. So if your lads have
not applied, please do so ASAP in this month. Otherwise you may have to wait
for a quite long while to do so until the window is open again for your 
specific priority date.

Q3) It that true the longest waiting period for my lads to get a green card is 
five years since I will get my citizenship in five years and then my lads are 
not subject to China's quota's?
A3) It depends. Once you have had your green cards for five years, you may be 
able to apply for citizenship. However, citizenship is not automatic. Besides 
all the other requirements, you have to pass a test, just as you have to pass 
written and road tests before getting your driver's license. The subjects are 
U.S. history, U.S. constitution, etc. Of course all of these are in English, 
both oral and written. Some people are exempted from this test, e.g., senior 
citizen over 65(?), minor children under 14(?), but most adults have to. While 
Mi Mi does not believe it is harder than TOEFL, GMAT and GRE, as most of CSS 
principals have passed those exams, however, this test consists of a real 
challenge to those principals who are less educated. Mi Mi knows many of the
undocumented Chinese nationals (some of them were even Mi Mi's roommates) do not 
have any knowledge of English. For example, one of them asked Mi Mi, what is the
meaning of "THE", believe me, Mi Mi found this problem was very difficult to 
answer! This guy was a high school graduate, and at least reads 26 l