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From: Lord Bass <cmdv@christa.unh.edu>
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	What I'm wondering about this thread is, where is the person from 
that he thinks 100km/h is so bad?  I was somewhat impressed at my first 
trip to Canada in '88 that the speed limit was 62mph.  That's still much 
lower than it should be in many areas, but at that time, the only 
Northeast states that had raised their limits to 65 were Vermont, New 
Hampshire, and Maine.  All those other liberal states down to Maryland 
kept 55.  Since then, thankfully some of those have changed a few roads 
to 65, but not all.
	Speed limits ideally are a good idea, but unfortunately 
government fear mongering and propaganda have kept them very low.  I too 
will join the ranks that say they should be raised to a reasonable and 
fair level, not that which some bureaucrat says.

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From: L.Koobs@kub.nl (L. KOOBS)
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Subject: Re: 100 km/h? Give me a break!
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In Article <3nc4p9$i59@diplomatic.passport.ca> "lucky@passport.ca (Srecko Bartl)" says:
> How do you people put up with the 100km/h speed limit? I'm new to Canada
> and to me this is a constant source of amazement. Has anybody ever tried to
> change it? 
>  
> Srecko
> 
 
in the NL the speed limit is also 100 kmh...( actually we have a dual speed
limit , we have autoways with 100 kmh limit and autospeedways with a 120 kmh 
limit) to me it's quite agreeable... because the Nl isn't all that big
it doesn't matter that you can't go faster than 100 kmh....
the roads are very crowded most of the times and there are many
trucks that have to abide by a limit of 80 kmh
if the other cars are allowed to go faster the speed difference could be 
too big.. At this point in time the minimum speed is 60 kmh 
personally i think that people should be forced to go at least 80 kmh
it's quite scary to notice that you're gaining on a person with 60kmg and you 
can't pass because of the car next to you.....
you probably lived in Germany before you moved to Canada and you are used to
driving fast... However I don't thimk that Germany is the best country to
drive on speedways.... the fact that most people trvel at around 140 kmh
and that there are those who go 200+ doesn't make it very safe...
fast reactions are neede to prevent big accidents...
and because some driver who go 200+ don't do this regularly...(tourists...)
they quite often lack those fast reaction there are quite a few
near accidents..
I wouldn't like to be in the situation that some geezer decides to pass a 
truck going 80kmh the geezer is driving 130 kmh ( advised speed)..
it's a two lane road.( two lanes in the same direction) i hqappen to be 
driving on the same road some distance behind him ( i'm driven 200 km/h)
he misjudges my speed and starts taking over the truck... i have to slam 
the brakes big time because a) i have to brake away 70 kmh just to avoid an 
impact and b) probably even more because some people tend to let the gaspedal 
loose when they panic... ( it's quite scary to see a big car gaining very fast 
on you...
now what would happen if an idiot from the NL decides to go trough Germany..
in the Nl he/she  only drives 90kmh . the idiot meets a truck the truck goes
a bit faster and decides to take over...this will clog up the road and the
fast guys will need to brake even harder....
my point speedlimits are quite handy to ensure bigger safety...
In the German situation i would go for a minimum speed of 120 kmh
and a maximun speed of 200.. this would make it a lot safer because most fast 
cars have the braking ability to match their performance..
well thats it for now... Reactions are welcome..
L8r
Lennart
 
 
 
 


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From: oa@party.allcon.com (Oliver Jack Albrecht)
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Subject: Re: 100 km/h? Give me a break!
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In article <19950425140942.L.Koobs@sp0289.kub.nl>,
L.Koobs@kub.nl  (L. KOOBS) wrote:

[...]
> you probably lived in Germany before you moved to Canada and you are used to
> driving fast... However I don't thimk that Germany is the best country to
> drive on speedways.... the fact that most people trvel at around 140 kmh
> and that there are those who go 200+ doesn't make it very safe...
> fast reactions are neede to prevent big accidents...
> and because some driver who go 200+ don't do this regularly...(tourists...)
> they quite often lack those fast reaction there are quite a few
> near accidents..

I don't think tourists speeding are a major problem in Germany. Depending on
traffic conditions, it is usually very hard to keep your speed at that level.
On most parts of the Autobahn you will not enjoy 200+ km/h (>125mph) for a
very long time. It will be a constant mix of accelerating and braking
(sometimes *real* hard), so the fun-factor will not last. Those speeds
will definately not make you feel good either, at least not for long. After
10-15 minutes your heartbeat will be up to >140 beats, sweat will come pouring
out of every part of your body and you will generally feel deeply uncomfortable.
So I would consider constant speeding on the Autobahn to be of very little
recreational value. And remember, as you increase your speed not only will you
need to closely monitor the traffic in front of you, there will *always* be
a faster car in your rear-view mirror with a driver whose only wish is to pass
you. Believe me, he will find a way of letting you get the message and it's
not much fun to try and enter a lane to your right at 250 km/h.
Apart from that, and this may be new to some of you, over the years the gov.
has imposed speed-limits on quite a few sections (mainly high-traffic areas)
with limits ranging all the way down to 100 km/h (62mph).

> truck going 80kmh the geezer is driving 130 kmh ( advised speed)..
> it's a two lane road.( two lanes in the same direction) i hqappen to be 
> driving on the same road some distance behind him ( i'm driven 200 km/h)
> he misjudges my speed and starts taking over the truck... i have to slam 
> the brakes big time because a) i have to brake away 70 kmh just to avoid an 
> impact and b) probably even more because some people tend to let the gaspedal 
> loose when they panic... ( it's quite scary to see a big car gaining very fast 
> on you...

At 200 km/h this will happen to you all the time. Above 200 those situations
occur even more often, since you're not only stressing your reaction time, but
also that of the other drivers on the road. I remember one situation a few
years back when I went at about 230 km/h and a truck pulled out on the left
lane at about 900 feet in front of me. It was obviously he didn't see me, even
though it was sunny outside and I alway have my headlights on. To avoid a
crash I had to pass both trucks on the lane designed for hazards (most of the
newer sections have a third lane on the right hand side).

> now what would happen if an idiot from the NL decides to go trough Germany..
> in the Nl he/she  only drives 90kmh . the idiot meets a truck the truck goes
> a bit faster and decides to take over...this will clog up the road and the
> fast guys will need to brake even harder....

Actually I've noticed that drivers from the Netherlands (as well as most of
the other drivers from Europe) are quite capable of keeping up with German
speed standards. Drivers from the easter Europe pose a bigger threat, since
most of them still drive cars that are simply not able to go at anywhere near
the recommended speed of 130 km/h (81 mph). Of course this is not their fault
and will definately change in due course.

> my point speedlimits are quite handy to ensure bigger safety...
> In the German situation i would go for a minimum speed of 120 kmh
> and a maximun speed of 200.. this would make it a lot safer because most fast 
> cars have the braking ability to match their performance..

I usually drive a constant 130-140 km/h, which offers a maximum of safety and
comfort, as well as a fairly good fuel mileage. Yet, I'm not sure if I would
be in favor of a general speed-limit at all, since things work out quite well
the way they are.

Olli

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Oliver Jack Albrecht                                     Member of Team OS/2
oa@party.allcon.com                                OS/2 User Group Flensburg

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In article <3nc4p9$i59@diplomatic.passport.ca> lucky@passport.ca (Srecko Bartl) writes:
$How do you people put up with the 100km/h speed limit? I'm new to Canada
$and to me this is a constant source of amazement. Has anybody ever tried to
$change it? 

   Every once in a while, we go journeying through parts of the U.S.
which have 55 mph speed limits.  Compared to that, we're lucky.

   Seriously, we ignore them to a large degree.  Typical traffic
speed around here (Toronto area) is 110-125 km/h, conditions
permitting.

   I have no idea if any serious effort has been made to lobby
politicians to change it.
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In article <19950423.7B5E498.FFA4@julian.slip.uwo.ca> leadfoot@julian.slip.uwo.ca (Alexander M. Bilan) writes:
$On Sat 22-Apr-1995  7:51p, Srecko Bartl wrote:
$SB> How do you people put up with the 100km/h speed limit? I'm new to Canada
$SB> and to me this is a constant source of amazement. Has anybody ever tried 
$SB> to change it? 
$
$Thats 60mph.  5 mph more than some states... 

   Actually, closer to 63, almost as high as the highest limits in the
States, and about 8 mph above that 55 nonsense.

$ What would you like to see the speed limit at? Personally, I'd like to see it
$return to the pre-oil-shortage rate of 70mph.

   70 mph works out to about 112 km/h, which is probably around the
average speed of traffic on our highways around Toronto (in the
absence of other factors such as congestion and inclement weather).
According to the Ministry of Transportation's preliminary study
on the effectiveness of photo radar, the average speeds at four
sites on 100 km/h highways (two in four-lane highway areas claimed
to be used by recreational traffic, and two in six-lane highway
areas claimed to be used by commuter traffic), average speeds
ranged from 105.9 km/h through 111.7 km/h (though due to the
data collection process, these numbers are only accurate to
within 2.5 km/h).  So putting the speed limit to 110-115 km/h
would put it at a speed where the average driver feels
comfortable.

   Other statistics, explicit or otherwise, from this study include:

- at the four-lane sites, prior to photo radar implementation
approximately 70-75% of all vehicles exceeded the speed limit
by 5 km/h or more; after four months of photo radar, in excess
of 50% of vehicles continued to speed by 5 km/h or more at
these sites

- If you include the data for those drivers who are speeding by
5 km/h or less (see below), then the actual numbers for the
above are roughly 83-85% prior to photo radar, and 67-75%
during the four-month photo radar period.  While the proportion
of speeders clearly does decrease, it does not decrease by
anywhere near the level the study claims due to its odd
definition of speeding.

- At the two-lane, 80 km/h control site, over 75% of tandem
trucks exceeded the speed limit by 85 km/h or more, compared
to approximately 75% of long trucks, 60-65% of short trucks,
and only slight more than 50% of cars.

- For the two four-lane, 100 km/h sites, the figures are
25% or less for tandems and long trucks, 25-35% for
short trucks, and 55-75% for cars.

   And a note on one of the many fishy techniques in the study;
the government has simply defined "peak" hours for rush-hour
purposes as 6-9 am and 4-7 pm.  This shows either an
intentionally skewed study, or a lack of connection to the
real world; anyone who's actually _driving_ on our highways
realizes that rush hour does not stop suddenly at 9 am,
nor does the afternoon one begin suddenly at 4 pm.

   Oh, heck, while I'm on about the fishy bits, why not keep
going?  The baseline period was between 15 and 20 days,
towards the end of the summer holiday season.  During this
time, traffic is generally lighter than at most other times
of the year, and so with less congestion on the roads
drivers who are inclined to speed are generally free to
do so.  Given this basis, it is reasonable to suggest
that had the government performed a similar study without
introducing photo radar or other enforcement techniques,
they would still have observed a decrease in speeding
relative to the baseline period.  Nevertheless, the report
concludes that the reduction in speeding, both at sites
where no photo radar was announced (the control sites)
and at those where signage existed to announce photo radar
use, is attributable in large part to increased
public awareness of road safety because of the photo radar
enforcement campaign.

   Additionally, the period of this preimilary study ranges
from late summer until the end of autumn.  In this part
of the world, the weather steadily becomes less favourable
during this period, and once again it would be natural to
assume that some level of speed reduction would occur
over that time.  On any given day, it might not; however,
as the four one-month experimental periods are relatively
long and would include a selection of weather conditions
typical to the time of year, one would expect to see a
change on a month-over-month basis.  The study notes that
the last of the four one-month periods "may be subject to
seasonal variations in traffic flow," but continues to
suggest that a change in the usage patterns of the
photo radar units is more likely to have caused a drop in
speed during this period, without providing any evidence
to support or refute either suggestion.

   I already noted that the speeds reported in this study
are only accurate to within 2.5 km/h due to data collection
techniques.  The speeds of vehicles, rather than being used
individually, were first aggregated into bins spanning
5 km/h incremental speeds, and then calculations were performed
on these bins.  I'm not sure why they report speeds to the
nearest tenth of a km/h when they know their actual resolution
is 25 times poorer than what they're reporting.  It makes one
wonder what other techniques they may have used that might
affect the data.

   As well, they do not attempt to ascertain the actual percentage
of drivers who speed (defined in law and in common sense as exceeding
the posted speed limit); rather, they redefine speeding as being
classified in a bin higher than the one which starts at the speed
limit and ends 4.9 km/h higher than the speed limit.

   The report does not give any information on the sites
themselves.  It states that "The pairing of the experimental
and control site was based on road geometrics, traffic volumes,
traffic type and that the site will remain unchanged for at
least two years."  We are left to trust that those performing
the study have selected their sites more wisely than they have
designed some other aspects of the study.  They do note that
"It is likely that there are a number of other factors which
are having an influence."

   They note that the experimental six-lane site "gets the
most media attention ... including daily announcements on
radio about deployments on these roadways."  With this
limited information, I'd say there's a good chance that
this is on highway 401 near 25 in Milton.  The two-lane
site might be northwest of the city, on highways such as
27, 50, or 9.  My guess for the four-lane highway is
the 401 through the Port Hope detachment's jurisdiction.
I can't think where the six-lane control site (not posted
for photo radar) might be in the Greater Toronto area;
any ideas where there's a six-lane 100 km/h highway that
isn't on the photo radar hit list?  All of 427, 401, 400,
404, 410, QEW, 403, and 409 in this area are on the hit
list, and I can't think of any other 100 km/h six-lane
highways.  If this one isn't in the GTA, I'm not so sure
it's that well paired with the experimental site.  For
that matter, the choices for the 4-lane 100 km/h site
are pretty slim as well; what else is there besides
highway 11 north of Barrie (if that isn't on the list)?
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In <19950425140942.L.Koobs@sp0289.kub.nl>, L.Koobs@kub.nl  (L. KOOBS) writes:

>you probably lived in Germany before you moved to Canada and you are used to
>driving fast... However I don't thimk that Germany is the best country to
Yes, I come from Germany, where I was trained to drive FAST. - I think that is the MAJOR point.
Before people are allowed to go fast, they should be trained! - Once people are trained, and got their
driving license because they prooved that they are capable of driving propperly (and propperly fast), most of your
points that you mentioned against people driving fast could be neglected.

I really believe that the main problem of the people driving in Canada is that they are not trained what-so-ever!
I mean...  bring $20 and a birth certificate gets you your license.... that's a joke! - And then these people believe
that it is a RIGHT to drive! - Give me a break!

Get a propper driving education and propper driving exams accordingly, and then once you got that... you may
be priviledged to drive on the roads among others .... perhaps even more than 100 clicks.


>fast reactions are neede to prevent big accidents...
Hmmm... propper training is needed!

I got a German & international license (The Cops always love it when the pull me over, and have no clue what it is),
and I got a "Ontario-license" (that cereal-license), and I go 200+ if traffic permits. - Of course my car is propperly preppared, and not some 
neglected piece of junk (I drive a BMW). - To answer the question about the "How can I survice with the 100Km/h limit?" ... I neglect
 it.... even with the "Photo-Radar" (phony-radar).

>I wouldn't like to be in the situation that some geezer decides to pass a 
>truck going 80kmh the geezer is driving 130 kmh ( advised speed)..
Neither do I. - That's why We in Germany get tought to adjust our speed when approcaing traffic.

>he misjudges my speed and starts taking over the truck... i have to slam 
That's cause people are not trained! - People just pull out or/and switch lanes  when/where ever  they feel like
Oh...   and since you're the one (not you personally) that is going "fast" should always be preppared for other
peoples mistakes.... you gotta take the nice (that you can speed) with the ugly (gotta brake sometimes).


>well thats it for now... Reactions are welcome..

DITO

Dave

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>On most parts of the Autobahn you will not enjoy 200+ km/h (>125mph) for a
>very long time. It will be a constant mix of accelerating and braking
True... and not true. - That depends on the part you're in, and when you drive. - A other reason is more the 
fuel-prices over there will keep ya from speeding long stretches.

The fact still remains that you can every once in a while (as traffic permits) put the pedal to the metal, and 
don't worry about harrasment from cops etc.

>10-15 minutes your heartbeat will be up to >140 beats, sweat will come pouring
>out of every part of your body and you will generally feel deeply uncomfortable.
Not really.... if it makes ya uncomfortable.... you shouldn't speed to begin with. - I'm rather more relaxed.

I guess it also depends what kinda car. - If you're pushing a little Ford beyond it's limits... that would make one be 
uncomfortable, but if you got the propper car and  equipment... there is no problem.


> And remember, as you increase your speed not only will you
>need to closely monitor the traffic in front of you, there will *always* be
>a faster car in your rear-view mirror with a driver whose only wish is to pass
Tip: not only the traffic in front of you, but way ahead of you too, since you'll be catching up to
 it very quickly (outta obvious reasons).


Dave

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From: fluffy@ibm.net
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Subject: Re: 100 km/h? Give me a break!
Date: 3 May 1995 03:01:20 GMT
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In <19950425140942.L.Koobs@sp0289.kub.nl>, L.Koobs@kub.nl  (L. KOOBS) writes:

>you probably lived in Germany before you moved to Canada and you are used to
>driving fast... However I don't thimk that Germany is the best country to
Yes, I come from Germany, where I was trained to drive FAST. - I think that is the MAJOR point.
Before people are allowed to go fast, they should be trained! - Once people are trained, and got their
driving license because they prooved that they are capable of driving propperly (and propperly fast), most of your
points that you mentioned against people driving fast could be neglected.

I really believe that the main problem of the people driving in Canada is that they are not trained what-so-ever!
I mean...  bring $20 and a birth certificate gets you your license.... that's a joke! - And then these people believe
that it is a RIGHT to drive! - Give me a break!

Get a propper driving education and propper driving exams accordingly, and then once you got that... you may
be priviledged to drive on the roads among others .... perhaps even more than 100 clicks.


>fast reactions are neede to prevent big accidents...
Hmmm... propper training is needed!

I got a German & international license (The Cops always love it when the pull me over, and have no clue what it is),
and I got a "Ontario-license" (that cereal-license), and I go 200+ if traffic permits. - Of course my car is propperly preppared, and not some 
neglected piece of junk (I drive a BMW). - To answer the question about the "How can I survice with the 100Km/h limit?" ... I neglect
 it.... even with the "Photo-Radar" (phony-radar).

>I wouldn't like to be in the situation that some geezer decides to pass a 
>truck going 80kmh the geezer is driving 130 kmh ( advised speed)..
Neither do I. - That's why We in Germany get tought to adjust our speed when approcaing traffic.

>he misjudges my speed and starts taking over the truck... i have to slam 
That's cause people are not trained! - People just pull out or/and switch lanes  when/where ever  they feel like
Oh...   and since you're the one (not you personally) that is going "fast" should always be preppared for other
peoples mistakes.... you gotta take the nice (that you can speed) with the ugly (gotta brake sometimes).


>well thats it for now... Reactions are welcome..

DITO

Dave

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Subject: Re: 100 km/h? Give me a break!
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In article <3o6s9u$300u@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, fluffy@ibm.net wrote:
> >On most parts of the Autobahn you will not enjoy 200+ km/h (>125mph) for a
> >very long time. It will be a constant mix of accelerating and braking
> True... and not true. - That depends on the part you're in, and when you drive.
> - A other reason is more the fuel-prices over there will keep ya from speeding
> long stretches.

I definately agree on the fuel-price issue, that's the biggest reason for me
to drive at reasonable speeds. But I still stick to the first point. Of course
there are sections where you can really floor the gas pedal, and in most places
nighttime traffic is down to a minimum. But, at daytime hours the traffic will
get very dense. I drive from Flensburg to Stuttgart (mostly on the A7, but also
partly on the A8 and the A81) on a regular basis. From Hamburg to Stuttgart
(around 750Km) you usually won't be able to maintain high speeds (200+) for very
long. Again, there are sections with little traffic, and they're fun while they
last. Yet the problem remains the same, high traffic will slow you down. Fact.
And again, repeatedly braking your car *real hard* is not fun.

> The fact still remains that you can every once in a while (as traffic permits)
put the pedal to the metal, and  don't worry about harrasment from cops etc.

I agree, it's nice to have the choice.

> >10-15 minutes your heartbeat will be up to >140 beats, sweat will come
> > pouring out of every part of your body and you will generally feel deeply
> > uncomfortable.
> Not really.... if it makes ya uncomfortable.... you shouldn't speed to
> begin with. - I'm rather more relaxed.

What speeds are you we talking about anyway? I'd say speeds below 200Kmh will
usually be pretty comfortable.

> I guess it also depends what kinda car. - If you're pushing a little Ford beyond it's limits... that would make one be 
> uncomfortable, but if you got the propper car and  equipment... there is no problem.

I was talking about acceleration and braking, that doesn't have too much to do
with the car. It's not the engine noise that makes me feel uncomfortable, it's
those other drivers out there, who will obviously get in my path and make me
step on the brake. Anyway, show me a European car that doesn't provide adequate
comfort at max. speed. The only cars that can make a rough ride are Porsche
911's, but then again, comfort is not the issue. Look at race car drivers.
They don't get exhausted only because their cars are uncomfortable, but
because they are in a permanent state of extreme mental tension and stress.

Olli

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Subject: Re: 100 km/h? Give me a break!
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>On most parts of the Autobahn you will not enjoy 200+ km/h (>125mph) for a
>very long time. It will be a constant mix of accelerating and braking
True... and not true. - That depends on the part you're in, and when you drive. - A other reason is more the 
fuel-prices over there will keep ya from speeding long stretches.

The fact still remains that you can every once in a while (as traffic permits) put the pedal to the metal, and 
don't worry about harrasment from cops etc.

>10-15 minutes your heartbeat will be up to >140 beats, sweat will come pouring
>out of every part of your body and you will generally feel deeply uncomfortable.
Not really.... if it makes ya uncomfortable.... you shouldn't speed to begin with. - I'm rather more relaxed.

I guess it also depends what kinda car. - If you're pushing a little Ford beyond it's limits... that would make one be 
uncomfortable, but if you got the propper car and  equipment... there is no problem.


> And remember, as you increase your speed not only will you
>need to closely monitor the traffic in front of you, there will *always* be
>a faster car in your rear-view mirror with a driver whose only wish is to pass
Tip: not only the traffic in front of you, but way ahead of you too, since you'll be catching up to
 it very quickly (outta obvious reasons).


Dave

