Dan- Great post! It is possible to fight and win, in fact, the chances of someone winning when they fight a ticket are pretty darn good! And yes, everyone should join the NMA. The price of a ticket (and the resulting (insulting?) insurance surcharges) is a heck of a lot more than it is for a year's membership in the NMA. Bob Morrow Join the NMA! $29/year National Motorists Association 800-882-2785 reply to: nma@genie.geis.com