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Respected members:

What Shri Sampath G has indicated seems to make immense sense given the
various distractions from all sides which assails  the 5 sense organs of us
ordinary mortals leading ordianry family lives.  What elders, parents,
guides and us members who are part of these group should do is to ensure
that we follow the process strictly as per the scriptures without EXPRESSLY
TELLING this to the generation following us.  Let them use the the Japa
mala as recommended by our friend but let us refrain ourselves.  Over time,
by sheer observation, maturity is bound to dawn on these minds and they too
will gradually and naturally  gravitate towards the scriptural dictates.
There has to be a passive and yet demonstrative attitude we should assume
while confronting such a situation.

Yes, if too much conditions, rules etc. are insisted then whatever little
enthusiaism the person has mustered could get wasted as the power of
external influence is overwhelming. The mind being fickle by its very
nature, it would be a daunting task to bring it back into the path. So let
there be a give-and-take policy. However, there is no give-and-take policy
when it comes to the actual performance of the nitya karma itself. The
methodology, supportings and timings may be subject to some laxity, but not
the principle itself. There cannot be any compromise. If this is dinned
into their minds then  in the long run the benefits will start to accrue

In the most adverse of circumstances the person may be told to do
EVERYTHING MENTALLY. This will give him flexibility and yet firmly fix in
his mind that no matter what he has to do the nitya karma. Assume he a
busy executive on Wall Street constantly on the move and on the air 5 days
a week flitting between cities...Let him do the Nitya karma mentally in the
airport lounge while waiting for the flight call.  The awareness has to be
built in.

Om tat sat
tat tvam asi



                                                                                
                                  
                      Sampath G                                                 
                                  
                      <sampath_govindachari@y         To:      Karthik Ragavan 
<karthikri@xxxxxxxxx>              
                      ahoo.co.in>                     cc:      "M.N.Ramanuja" 
<mnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>         
                                                      Subject: Re: 
[SriRangaSri] Japa mala                        
                      12/13/04 07:08 PM                                         
                                  
                                                                                
                                  
                                                                                
                                  



SrimatE Raamaanujaaya Namaha !SrimatE Nigamaanta Mahaa Desikaaya Namaha
!Srimate Sri Lakshminrisimha Divyapadukasevaka Srivan Satakopa Sri
NarayanaYatindra Mahadesikaya namaha !

Dear Bhagavathas,
While I appreciate the explanations given based on the sloka by swamin
Ramanuja , I feel , in today's fast world , if we try to bring in all  do's
and dont's as per the books , we would only drive the youth away from doing
the Nithya karmas . Our Acharyas  themselves have diluted a lot for us , to
make people get attracted to  come for making Saranagathi to Sriman
Narayanan , only to save all our souls ( Panchasamskaram and Baranyasam) .
As such we on our part should not put in all restrictions in the initial
stage itself. Once people start getting used to  doing Japa , they would be
tempted to read connected books  and then , they themselves will follow the
rules of the game.
In the meanwhile , it would be easier for the youth of today , who is
living in the computer world  and addicted to all mechanisation , to use
Tulsi or Rudraksha or spatika mala for counting purposes during japa. What
is most important is that , when such chanting of mantras are done with the
help of beads , the beads themselves get some power in them due to the
greatness of Bhagavan nama and so they are to be handled carefully. So it
would be better for one to keep those japa malais in Perumal sannathi
instead of wearing all through the day , since , during our other works ,
we may lose our body purity . This is one of the reasons , the elders in
the family  used to tell us to wash ourselves , especially hands and feet
before entering Perumal sannadhi in the house .
If people want to wear malais after bath for the whole day , they may do so
with  a different set  instead of the one used for the Japa counting.
This also will give us a feeling of holiness while chanting mantras , since
we ourselves would be disciplined by our actions.
We should never forget that we have not reached a stage of Alwars or other
devotees , who could freely play with the Lord and the mantras. They are
important for our salvation and have got to be handled very carefully with
all sincerity and holiness.
Please do not get me wrong that I am trying to go against the sampradayam.
My only anxiety is the youth of today have got to be roped as they will be
the torch bearers of our sampradayam tomorrow.
Trust this explanation could be appealing to all.
Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan- G.Sampath.


"M.N.Ramanuja" <mnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Dear swamis,
Regarding Gayatri japa, it is said in Agni purana in
Tulakaveri mahatmya Adhyaya 14 that japamala should not be used for
counting Gayatri mantram. It should only be counted on the parvas or the
folds of the right hand fingers. Starting from the middle fold of the ring
finger, going down and left and upwards on the little finger and going
right on the top folds and down the index finger giving 10 counts.
For counting 28 or 108 therefore one has to count in tens on the right
hand and note each cycle with the help of chalk markings or pebbles
or left fingers.

It is said that the lower two folds of the middle finger are called Meru
and the counting should be done circumambulating them. It is said that
since
Gayatri is the root of the Vedas and the Vedas are recited using the
above-mentioned method for counting the sooktas, Gayatri should also be
counted likewise. The following sloka is quoted in authority.

parvabhir gaNayEt sankhyAm nAkshamAlAdibhir nripa;
GayatryA vedamUlatwAd vEdah parvasu gIyatE.

There are many more do's and dont's quoted therein which are interesting
to note and follow.

Dasan
Ramanuja

On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Karthik Ragavan wrote:

>
> Dear Swamis,
>
> I have a clarification in the usage of malai during
> Gayathri japam.  During my daily sandhyavandhanam, I
> have the practice of using Rudraksha malai during
> Gayathri Japa & Spatika Malai during Ashtakshara japam
> and wear the same after the japam is completed.  I
> remove the malais during my night prayers before going
> to bed.
>
> I heard somebody advising that it is not right to wear
> the japa malai and it is supposed to be kept back in
> the sannadhi after the japa is over.  The malais used
> for daily wearing after snanam should not be used for
> Japa.
>
> I am confused on this and seek the stalwarts of this
> group to clarify on the same.
>
> Regards,
>
> Karthik Ragavan
>
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