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harE krShNa! AzhwArgaL thiruvadigaLE sharaNam!



Dear Sri Sampath Kumar Padmanaban Swami,



My humble praNAms to you. Thanks for your involvement. Actually up to now I
do not belong to any sampradhAyams, but just follow strict vEdhic
injunctions given by lord viShNu, his forms and his devotees, whether they
be in South India or North India or even let the devotees be Westerns. So
whatever lord krShNa and his pure devotees says, I will try to follow. So I
am not specifically pointing to any vaiShNava sampradhAyams.



So if the vEdhic scriptures (which is written by shrI vEdha vyAsa) or lord
viShNu is telling something then it is our duty to follow. So if one who
doesn't follow the words of our ultimate and supreme father - lord viShNu,
what is the use of being called as a 'devotee or vaiShNava'. vaiShNava means
one who follows lord viShNu (means lord viShNu's instructions).



And anything we speak must with scriptural references and authorized verses
of our AchAryAs. You have stated:



Anything not mentioned or accepted by them is not only to be against your
own acharyas, but that practice would be fruitless.



You are right. But the chanting of harE krShNa mahA manthram is clearly
mentioned in the vEdhic scriptures (that too at this age of kali). So it is
not at all against our AchAryAs. And take it granted that those who oppose
the chanting of this harE krShNa mahA manthram cannot be an AchArya. What to
speak of AchArya, he cannot be called even as a human being. Because
opposers of lord krShNa's names are considered as demons according to vEdhic
scriptures.



In last sentence, you have also told:



Requesting followers from other schools of Vaishnavam, especially Sri
Vaishnavas, to chant different mantras.



When our beloved 'mother' shrI rAmAnujAchArya and shrI
annamaAchArya themself gave 'devotional rights' to everyone, why are you
concentrating on single category called 'shrI vaiShNavam'? You have to
address to every one to chant different manthrAs of lord viShNu. And I have
never asked anyone to stop other manthrAs. I just requested to chant harE
krShNa mahA manthram and the holy names of lord hari.



So my request is kindly don't differentiate from one vaiShNava to another
vaiShNava. These different sampradhAyams are different ways to reach
vaikunTam. And no where stated that each sampradhAyam has its own different
manthram to reach vaikunTam. So if anything like this stated, I am ready to
accept it. Kindly provide me scriptural proofs or authorized verses stating,
"There are different manthrAs for each sampradhAyam". So that even I can
learn to differente between one vaiShNava to another vaiShNava.



In a nutshell, I want to notify once again what I meant:



1) Chant harE krShNa mahA manthram (or harE rAmA mahA manthram...whatever it
may be) as stated in vEdhic scriptures.

2) Chant the holy names of lord hari continously as stated in vEdhic
scriptures.

3) I never asked anyone to stop chanting other manthrAs of lord viShNu.

4) I am not at all specific to any sampradhAyAs and it is in general to all
humans.

5) I never want to discourage any sampradhAyams because if we dig back and
find the leader of each sampradhAya, they will be our own beloved mother
lakShmi (shrI sampradhAya), lord krShNa (gaudIya sampradhAya), lord shiva
(rudhra sampradhAya...who are also devotees of lord viShNu), etc. So I love
all the vaiShNavAs.



So if I was wrong any where or against scriptures and authorized verses, I
humbly request to point out them so that I can learn the perfect path of
achieving the holy feet of lord viShNu.



My great thanks to Sri Sampath Kumar Padmanaban Swami for raising this
devotional topic. My humble praNAms to him for making me to think of mother
lakShmi, lord viShNu and other vaiShNavAs.



Let us discuss more on the divine topics of lord viShNu so that we get the
real knowledge.



- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees!





On 2/15/06, Sampath Kumar Padmanaban <janasampath@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Sri:
>    Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:
>    Srimath Varavara Munaye Nama:
>
>    Dear Sri. Balaji Swamin,
>
>    Kindly accept adiyen's humble pranams. It is beyound doubt and with
> no  ambiguity vedas and upanishads have specified the supremacy of
> Sriman  Narayanan. It is also clear that the means to attain Him is only
> Him.  And chanting His divine names (which are nothing but His
> auspicious  qualities) must be the only past time of all the chetanas.
>
>    Having stated this, it is well known to all of us that the various
> vaishnava  sampradhayams have different variations of approaches and put
> emphasis  on different mantrams and practices. In this regard, the Hare
> Krishna  mantram is something Sri Vaishnavas do not follow. In each school,
> our  poorvacharyas have prescribed us specific steps to be
> followed.  Anything not mentioned or accepted by them is not only to be
> against  your own acharyas, but that practice would be fruitless. Hence,
> with  due respect to Gaudiya Vaishnava and their beliefs and
> practices,  adiyen beg to differ with you in requesting followers from
> other  schools of Vaishnavam, especially Sri Vaishnavas,  to chant
> different  mantras.
>
>    Adiyen
>    Ramanuja Dasan.
> Sampath Kumar Padmanaban
>
>    Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadikale Saranam
>    Jeeyar Thiruvadikale Saranam
>
>
> Balaji A <balajimails@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:          harE krShNa! AzhwArgaL
> thiruvadigaLE sharaNam!
>
> Dear Sri Ramkumar, very perfectly said and I want to add few more lines.
>
> Dear Sri Anoop, anything we follow, must be questioned as, "Why should I
> do? Why should I not do?"   So  the same thing we must apply here and think,
> "Why should I chant the  holy names of lord hari and this harE krShNa mahA
> manthram  specifically? Why not other manthrAs 108 times?" The answer is:
>
> In kalisantharaNa upanishadh, it is stated:
>
> harE krShNa harE krShNa krShNa krShNa harE harE
> harE rAma harE rAma rAma rAma harE harE |
> ithi shOdashaka nAmnAm kali kalmaSha nAshanam
> nAthaha paratharOpAyaha sarva vEdhEshu dhrshyathE ||
> (Proof Link:   http://www.hindunet.org/alt_hindu/1995_Jan/msg00223.html )
>
> "This  collection of sixteen names (of lord nArAyaNa) destroys the evils
> of  the Kali Yuga. There is no, any other effective means (of
> liberation)  if we look in all sections of the Vedas." - lord brahma to
> shrI  nAradha, in kalisantharaNa upanishadh.
>
> [Note:  Some consider first harE rAma and then harE krShNa. And some
> consider,  first harE krShNa and then harE rAma. However you chant, it
> doesn't matter and kindly don't bother too much about this. You will get the
> same result in whichever way you chant. To read full history for the reason
> for reversing, kindly read in the following link:
> http://www.hindunet.org/alt_hindu/1995_Jan/msg00223.html   ]
>
> So  it is recommended to chant this at least 16 rounds (108 x 16 rounds)
> as  our past devotees has specifically stressed "at least 16 rounds
> are  must". And in general time also, if possible one can continue the
> same.  Or else a person can always utter the holy names of lord viShNu,
> as  stated in brhadh nAradhIya purANam:
>
> harErnAma harErnAma harErnAmaiva kEvalam |
> kalou nAsthi kalou nAsthi kalou nAsthyEva gathiranyatha ||
> (Proof Link 1:
> http://www.bvashram.org/articles/93/1/Prophecy-of-the-Golden-Age )
> (Proof Link 2:
> http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/aug97/0031.html )
> (Proof Link 3:   http://www.sssct.org/Discourses/2004/ramanavami.htm )
>
> "In  the age of Kali there is no other way to achieve the supreme,
> other  than by chanting the holy names of Lord Hari. There is no other way,
> no  other way, no other way."
>
> So  once if something is stressed for 3 times, one has to take
> seriously.  It is like "Order! Order! Order!". So kindly do practice
> continuous  chanting of the holy names of lord hari/viShNu, so that we all
> can go  that undying and everblissful world where there is no birth, no
> death,  no pains, etc. as confirmed by lord krShNa in BhagavadhgItha in so
> many  shlOkams:
>
> One  who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and
> activities  does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this
> material  world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna. (BhagavadhgIthA
> 4.9)
>
> After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogis in  devotion, never
> return to this temporary world, which is full of  miseries, because they
> have attained the highest perfection. (   BhagavadhgIthA 8.15)
>
> From  the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all
> are  places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But
> one  who attains to My abode, O son of Kunti, never takes birth again. (
> BhagavadhgIthA 8.16)
>
> Yet  there is another nature, which is eternal and is transcendental to
> this  manifested and unmanifested matter. It is supreme and is
> never  annihilated. When all in this world is annihilated, that part
> remains  as it is. That supreme abode is called unmanifested and infallible,
> and  it is the supreme destination. When one goes there, he never comes
> back  in this material world. ( BhagavadhgIthA8.20-21)
>
> Those  who know the Supreme Brahman (God) pass away from the world during
> the  influence of the fiery god, in the light, at an auspicious
> moment,  during the fortnight of the moon and the six months when the
> sun  travels in the north, never returns in this material world. (
> BhagavadhgIthA 8.24)
>
> One  who is free from illusion, false prestige, and false association,
> who  understands the eternal, who is done with material lust and is
> freed  from the duality of happiness and distress, and who knows how
> to  surrender unto the Supreme Person, attains to that eternal
> kingdom.  That abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor
> by  electricity. One who reaches it never returns to this material world.
> (  BhagavadhgIthA 15.5-6)
>
> So  initially, continuously chanting may be bit difficult and you may
> find  cuts or gaps in between the chants. But once you practice this
> activity  for just 1 to 2 months continuously, your chanting comes
> automatically  with your breath. Try to concentrate on the chanting. If not
> possible,  don't get frustrated.
>
> Because  in shrImadhBhAgavatham 1.1.14, it is stated, "Living beings
> who  are entangled in the complicated meshes of birth and death can be
> freed  immediately by even unconsciously chanting the holy name of Krishna,
> which is feared by fear personified."
> (Proof Link:   http://srimadbhagavatam.com/1/1/14/en)
>
> So  I request everyone to chant on the holy names of lord krShNa and
> harE  krShNa mahA manthram and just depend primarily on these two,  instead
> of depending on any other means for any kinds of solutions.
>
> - Balaji - The Servant of Devotees!
>
>
>
>    Azhvar EmberumAnAr JeeyAr ThiruvadigalE Saranam
> http://www.vedics.net
>
>
>
>


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