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Shri: 
   
  Dear Vaanamamalai Padmanaabhan Swaamin 
   
  Daasoham & Adiyaens pranaams at your lotus feet(Ref: 4th thiru-an-thaathi -  
#89, #18). 
   
  I am aware that you are one of the very few who can answer my question. 
  eedu on this paasuram is very detailed and interesting !!! I (did) read the 
eedu ...,interesting and coincides with what you have said just now. 
  The eedu says that our almighty is the aathman of moolaprakruthi  
  which is responsible for harvesting boga,moksham for aathmans  which are 
spread across 10 directions. "yasya aathma  sareeram yasya prithvi  sareeram " 
- Antharyaami braah-manam (this means our almighty is the aathman of chith  and 
achith ) 
   
  however i am trying to understand what is moola pakuthi(moola prakruthi).
  Is it like a compounded gaseous substance ? made up of Helium,hydrogen 
,nitrogen , Oxygen etc... as per our modern science.or  is it like a normal 
soil(achith) ?
   
  what is the difference between moola prakruthi & prakruthi.?
  please explain this two Buzz words - Moola prakruthi & Prakruthi .      
   
  Adiyaen  ( & Novice  ) 
   
     -  Maaran's Dog
   
  
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  Padmanabhan <aazhwar@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
          Dear SwAmi,
   
  I will come  to each point separately. Meanwhile, although we have not met, 
you seem to have met me, as you have described as giant- perhaps observing  the 
physcial structure.
   
  1.There are three thatvam-s only. Chith, achith and Eswaran.
   
  2.The ninth pAsuram of the final ThriuvAimozhi is the main subject matter.
   
  EDu:
   
  mudhal- thani-vithu--> The Lord is cause for all the three worlds. Then why 
three words-mudhal, thani and vithu -He is the three type of causes.
   
  mudhal thani vunnai--> He is not only the cause of the three Worlds, He is 
the prime holder of auspicious qualities GuNA vibHuthi.
   
  vunnai ena nAL kUDuvan nAn--> The EmperumAn being the prime mover and cause 
of the worlds and pervasive is general to one and all. For AzhwAr, of course, 
wants special unique visiin which is available in ThirunADu with pirATTi and 
nithya-sUri-s. This is the 'vunai ena-nAL vandhu kUDuvan nAn.
   
  3. mudhal thani angum ingum muzhu muRRuruvAi pAzhAi --The third line talks 
about the lElA vibhUthi 's achith thathvam comprising of five sensory organs, 
five pancha bhUtham-s , the effect of sensory organs, the presence of attribute 
of pancha bhUtham-s -panchEvadhikaraNam - in other four and the roots of these 
mahathAdhigaL.
  EmprumAn being the inner governor of these -being all pervasive is reflected 
from this line .
   
  4. mudhal thani suzhndhaganRu Azhndhu vuyarndha mudivilE ---> Being not just 
pervasive of these prakruthith thathvam, the Almighty is surrounding in all 
directions by knowledge and stands tall as a inner governor of the chith.
   
  Thus it will be seen that the Esvaran is described as inner governor of 
achith thathvam (the lElA vibuthi part) in the third line and
  that of chith thathvam in the fourth line.
   
  Summary: AzhwAr realises that the Lord is all pervasive , three causes of the 
whole world, the inner governor of lElA vibhUthi and also of the souls. 
However, not satisfied on this General realisation, He yearns for the EmprumAn 
at the Highest altar of Parmapadham - with pirATTi.
   
  I am just leaving for Hyderabad and will continue on this in  a couple of days
   
  dAsan
  vanamamalai padmanabhan
    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Maaran's Dog 
  To: Ramanuja Yahoo ; oppili appam ; n.ranganathan 
  Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:40 PM
  Subject: [Oppiliappan] What is Moola prakruthi ? Ref 10.10.7 , 10.10.9 & also 
from 10.1 Thaala Thamarai
  

Shri: 
   
  Adiyaen;s Pranaams & Dhanyoshmin 
   
  Can any one of you explain what is meant by moola prakruthi.
  please pardon my ignorance . i got this word from P.B.A Swamy vyaakyaanam 
book. Ref: 10.10.9  (muthal thani vithayyo... )
   
  i am finding very very difficult to understand the P.B.A swaamy vyaakyaanam 
itself. so unclear, confusing after reading this for 10 times.
   
  Dear T.C.A , Shrimathi Sumitra & family , padmanaabhan and so on  , the 
Giants of yahoo group !!  can you shed some light on it.
   
  The wording goes like this.  10.10.7 
  (   Yenathu aaviyei,  in-uyirai manakaaraamai manni undittaaay ..)
   
  looks easy at reading...right. vyaakyaanam is tough !!!
   
  The complexity goes like this . P.B.A swamy says that
  in this context .., Aavi is different from uyir. and he frequently uses the 
word Prakruthi and moola prakruthi...( Are we composed of 4 entities such as 
chith, achith,prakruthi,aathma vasthu ?  )
   
  To some extent , i was able to understand that we all came from a single 
Golden egg shell called moola prakruthi.  what is moola  prakruthi ?
   
  If i understand these concepts the origin of infinite number of souls
  can be clearly sketch able  !!
   
  Core References :
   1. Yen perukku il an-nalathu , Thiru-vaai mozhi  Ref 1.2 
   
       deriving from the above ., Raamanusa Nootranthathi  
      goes like this... 
  2. karuthariya-par-pal-uyir-kalum , pallu ulagu yaavum ... ,
                                         - Raamanusa Nootranthathi - amuthanaar
   
  Thanks for your input.
   
  Adiyaen
   
  - maaran's dog
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

            
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