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DivyaPrbanda Santhai , veda santhai, doing kainkaryam during 
purapaadu or participating in uthsavams and sevakala paddhathee 
during subam  - these all are possible only Through Guru/acharyan of 
specific subject since it is not an easy joke like giving commentry 
for azwar pasurams,vedam,idhihasa puranams nowdays. (Now a days 
everybody says everything at everywhere without adhereing any 
principles preached by their kalakshepa acharyas). SriNigmantha 
desikan says in srimad rahasyathrayasaram 
1.Ambalathil aval pori aakudhal - Meaing throwing rice porridge 
behind a body which is going to burryal ground for its last yatra.
 
2.VILAI CHANDU AAKUDHAL- SELLING THE SANDEL OF GOD FOR A PRICE 
 
3.KURANGIN KAIYEL POOMALAI AAKUDHAL - GIVING THE FLOWER TO MONKEY)
 
(Ref:- Sishya krithyadheekaram - Srimathrahasyathrayasaram)
 
So If any body accquiring  knowledge from our siddhantham, he 
should  also follow the footsteps of our poorvacharya and should 
also do any kainkaryam without any discrimination between 
kainkaryams. 
 
Because of these discrimination only, now a days nobody wants to go 
to Madapalli kainkaryam eventhough v r saying everywhere "madapalli 
vandha manaum engal varthaiyul manniyadhey". (Ref:- 
Sishyakrithyadikaram - Srimathrahasyathrayasaram)
 
Everybody wants full right from their father grandfathers 
kainkaryam  without following the life lead by them  in day today 
life.
 
Kindly rectify these errors first , then v will correct defects in 
divyaprabanda parayanam.

SONAAL VIRODHUM IDHU AAGILUM SOLUVAN KelMINO
 
- mEANING : bECAUSE OF THIS SAYING I WILL EARN DISPLEASURE , BUT 
DEFINITELY I WILL SAY AND U ALL SHOULD HEAR.
 
NAMALWAR - THIRUVAIMOZHI - 3-9-1
 
NO MORE FURTHER DISSCUSSION FROM MY END, IF VIDWANS WANTS TO REPLY 
THEY CAN DO AND OTHERS CAN GIVE REJOINDER to them.
 

--- On Wed, 2/18/09, Gopaul Lakshmanan <geelakshman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Gopaul Lakshmanan <geelakshman@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Oppiliappan] arulich cheyal anubhavam-1 - No question 
about it 'Santhai' is to be learnt and followed
To: Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 7:26 AM
Swamins:
There need not be any discussion about it.
'Santhai' is to be learnt and followed.
If during marriages some one or ten paasurams are not recited or sung
according to santhai that does not mean ALL the paasurams can be 
recited like that.

May be when you sing the paasuram that is allowed during the 
marriage ceremony.

'Santhai' has been done for hundreds of years and just because in 
modern marriages it
is not done does not give us permission to recite the rest 3989 
passurams as we like.

adiyen
Lakshmana dAsan


________________________________________
From: raghunathan r <rraghunathan_ in@yahoo. com>
To: Oppiliappan@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:27:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Oppiliappan] arulich cheyal anubhavam-1
Swamin.
 
I am absolutely in agreement that words in pasurams should be given 
proper sandhi and should not be broken in an absurd manner.
 
But what makes me wonder is as to how we practice and approve the 
way we break the words when we render "Varanam Ayiram".  The tune 
with the broken words is really excellent but the looking into the 
words broken, it makes one cry.  Just see :
 
Vaarana     maayiram      soozhava      lamseithu
naarana      nambina       dakkinnaan   nenretheir
poorana      porkudam     vaithuppu      ramengum
thoranam    nattakka       naakkanden  thozhinaan
 
I want to really know why such horrible breaking of words got 
approved and traditionally sung everywhere with no fingers raised 
even by most learned people.
 
And if such absurd breaking of words is allowed, then what is the 
harm in people interested in learning, do it by themselves, though 
it might result in some wrongful breaking of words?
 
Dasan
Raghunathan


--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Thirumalai Venkatesh <tvenkatesh55@ yahoo.co. 
in> wrote:
From: Thirumalai Venkatesh <tvenkatesh55@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [Oppiliappan] arulich cheyal anubhavam-1
To: Oppiliappan@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 7:54 AM
It is very correctly stated that santhai method is very important.  
Of late, it has been found that many people who have abiding 
interest to do sevakalam, take books and start chanting even without 
formal santhai.  It is a quite welcome sign that many people get 
interested in doing kainkaryams in the temple.  But at the same 
time, there is a problem with regard to actual breaking of pasurams 
and many of them do break the stanzas very badly leading to an utter 
confusion.  Such people may consider undergoing a formal santhai 
before using the book.  This is my humbale suggestion.
 
T Venkatesh

--- On Fri, 13/2/09, Padmanabhan <aazhwar@gmail. com> wrote:
From: Padmanabhan <aazhwar@gmail. com>
Subject: [Oppiliappan] arulich cheyal anubhavam-1
To: "vanamamalai" <vanamamalai@ yahoogroups. com>, "Sri Ramanuja" 
<ramanuja@yahoogroup s.com>, "oppiliappan" <oppiliappan@ 
yahoogroups. com>, "jetusa" <jetusa@yahoogroups. com>, "divya desam" 
<divya_desam@ yahoogroups. com>, "parichaya" <parichaya@yahoogrou 
ps.com>
Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 6:41 PM
 
Arulich cheyal anubhavam
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When we chant arulich cheyal, due to various reasons, some of us , 
including myself, chant wrongly.
 
Basically, santhai method of learning is must to chant properly with 
splitting of words done propelry.
 
The learning process should be error-free. When the learning is with 
mistkaes, the mistake gets carride thorugh ones life.
 
This apart, the memory loss/lapse is another reason.
 
The lack of adequate knowledge of our classical divine tamil-
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The slip of the tongue can be attirbuted when most experienced souls 
chant with error.
 
I have seen great stalwarts chant wrongly but reprimand themselves 
by hitting on their head with folded hands..
 
When a person chants with mistake, the fellow goshti mate correct it 
in a mild manner which is acknowledged with folded hands.
 
The chanting of AzvAr pAsuram-s without santhai coupled with lack of 
understaning leads to disaster and sometimes funny sounds.
 
SrivaishNavites brethern have narrated their experiecnes which is in 
lighter vein, but thought provoking in this regard.
 
Let us go into a few of these and share our experiences mutually 
 
dasan
vanamamalai padmanabhan
 
 
 
 
 





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