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anegha kodi namaskaram to everyone!

Modern western history overlooks certain geological facts.

The ice age that envelopes the earth occurs every 9-12 years.
All available record is for the current epoch only.

We can say we are 7000 years into this cycle (we know egyptian 
history goes back to 5000 years...)

What existed in earlier epochs no one knows. Thus it is possible
Sri Rama's period is 9000 years ago. 

It need not be in the last 5000 years. 

adiyen

anandavalli dasan

--- In Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, saranathan 
<jayasree_saranathan@xxxx> wrote:
> SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA.
> 
> Respected Sri Vasudevan swami,
> 
> I don't have the mail ID of Prof Varthak. I just happened to 
chance upon his article in the Net and was drawn in to wonder about 
the dates and yuga calculations.
> 
> But of the different research articles that I have come across on 
the date of Raama, his seemed to me more acceptable. This also 
tallied with a reserach book on the date of Raama and Krishna 
published many years ago by Shakthi Foundation of Pollachi 
N.Mahalingam. The seminar which I attended in my college years 
on "Astronomy as the basis of History" in which scholars like Prof 
Srinivasa Raghavan (sanskrit pandit) and Prof Iravadham, a 
forerunner in deciphering Indus seals presented their papers, also 
concluded on a note that Raama's period must have occured some 9000 
to 10,000 years ago. This was based on the astro-data found in the 
Valmiki Ramayana. This is where I stand as I don't posses any 
scholarly prowess to substantiate or challenge these versions.
> 
> But our curiosity does take us to places and I intend write 
another mail also as a continuation of the previous 6 mails on 
Raama's date!
> 
> Coming to the points raised in your mail, Prof Varthak has been 
right in having taken the age of 17 as the time when the coronation 
was fixed. The sloka he has quoted in support of this runs like this.
> 
> "dasha sapta ca varSaaNi tava jaatasya raaghava |
> asitaani prakaankSantyaa mayaa duhkha parikSayam || 2-20-45
> 
> 45. raaghava =Oh, Rama! aasitaani =sat down mayaa =by me dasha 
saptacha =for seventeen varshhaa Ni =years tava jaatasya =after your 
second birth of your thread ceremony praakaaNkshhantyaa =with hope 
of duHkha parikshhantyaam =disappearance of troubles
> 
> "Oh,Rama! I have been waiting for seventeen years after your 
second birth of thread ceremony, with the hope that my troubles will 
disappear at one time or the other."
> 
> (unquote)
> 
> Please note the word used by Kausalya. "tava jaatasya" has been 
translated as the thread ceremony here. I request  scholars to 
explain the usage of this term to mean the thread ceremony. If it is 
taken as jaata karma-naama karma done soon after birth, Raama's age 
can be literally taken as 17 as per this sloka.
> 
> Again if we look into the Valmiki Ramayana for the time of  thread 
ceremony for Raama, we come  across this verse.
> 
> 
> "braahmaNaan bhojayaamaasa pauraan jaanapadaan api |
> udadad braahmaNaanaam cha ratnaugham amalam bahu || 1-18-23
> teSaam janma kriya aadIni sarva karmaaNi akaarayat |
> 
> 23, 24a. brahmaNaan pauraan jaanapadaan api= Brahmans, urbanites, 
villagers, also; bhojayaamaasa= are fed well by king; 
brahaahmaNaanaam bahu ratna ogham udadat= to Brahmans, many, 
valuable gems, he gave - gifted; a + mitam= un, limited; teSaam 
janma kriya aadiini= them - the princes, birth, rites, ceremonies 
sequel to it; sarva karmaaNi akaarayat= all, rituals, performed.
> 
> The king feasted Brahmans, urbanites and villagers and he gifted 
many valuable gems to Brahmans in an unlimited way, and all the 
rituals of birth and ceremonies sequel to it like naming ceremony, 
first-food-feeding ceremony, first-hair-removal ceremony, and sacred 
thread ceremony are performed in respect of the princes. [1-18-23, 
24a]
> 
> (unquote)
> 
> The years in which these have been done is not mentioned, but 
sounds that the thread ceremony was pretty early considering the 
sequence of ceremonies mentioned in this verse.
> 
> Regarding the years that Sita mentions in Sundhara khandam, I 
somehow picturised as though she was 18 and Raama was 25 at the time 
of exile. I am unable to bring back to memory how I arrived at this. 
But I have  read somewhere or calculated on the basis of some 
inputs. I hope to get them soon and share with others.
> 
> But regarding the astro-data, it is really a tricky issue. Valmiki 
laeves some scope for reserach even about the palnetary positions at 
the time of Raama's birth.
> 
> He merely says "panchasu graheSu swa uccha samstheshu= of five, 
planets, in their own, highest, positing; ". The only direct clue he 
gives is about Jupiter's position in "karkaTe lagne". It has been a 
matter of debate by many schoalrs as to what these five planets are. 
Kalidasa also has taken up the same description in Raghu vamsa but 
with some extrapolations. But this issue has been a settled one 
today with everyone agreeing with what those 5 planets are.
> 
> Thus we find that we have to proceed with insufficient data at 
crucial places and manage to arrive at an acceptable version. In my 
opinion, irrespective of whether Rama was exiled in his 17th year or 
25th year, it would not make much difference to the era he belonged, 
which is about 9000 years ago, according to Prof Varthak. But 
planetary positions do lend a clue about the probable time of events.
> 
> One event that seemed to have escaped Prof Varthak's attention is 
the date of Raama's marriage. There also Valmiki gives a clue that 
is a little perplexing.
> 
> "uttare divase brahman phalguniibhyaam maniiSiNaH |
> vaivaahikam prasha.msanti bhago yatra prajaapatiH || 1-72-13
> 
>   13. brahman= oh, Brahman; phalguniibhyaam= in the day where both 
Phalguni stars are available; yatra= on which day; prajaapatiH 
bhagaH [devataa]= a deity for progeny, namely Bhaga [is the 
presiding deity]; uttare divase= later, day [later part of the day, 
or, when the star post-Phalguni is ruling]; vaivaahikam= for wedding 
[ceremonies on such a day]; maniiSiNaH= savants; prashamsanti= 
acclaim.
> 
>   "Oh, Brahman, the savants acclaim that part of the day as the 
best for wedding ceremonies when both of the pre-Phalguni and post-
Phalguni stars are available, and on such a time where post-Phalguni 
is ruling, for which Bhaga is the presiding deity for progeny..." So 
said Janaka to the marriage party. [1-72-13]
> 
>   There is a lot of commentary from the viewpoint of astrology 
regarding these stars and days of this marriage. Some have said that 
uttare divase 'on best day...' phalguni= puurva phalguni 'pre-
Phalguni... on the best day under pre-Phalguni star...' which 
usually does not happen, but it is also said to be correct by 
Maheshvara Tiirtha, as the Moon will be in the 12th house at that 
time, so the marriage is agreeable...' However the stars for best 
results of marriages (unquote)
> 
>   Wishing to hear more interesting notes on this from others, 
> 
>   Jayasree 
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