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Respected sri Sadagopan swamin and Dear sri Senthil,

First of all many thanks to sri Sadagopan swamin for forwarding this 
post to me for my comments. Before offering comments I will give some 
portions of earlier mails. It was forming part of the "Ordeal by 
fire" discussion, which was there in the lists in 2004.  What I am 
doing here is to cut and paste some portions of mails.

From:   Ramanujam Varada Srinivasa Thatta [acharyatvsr@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent:   Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:57 AM
Subject: RE: [SriRangaSri] The issue of Sita Piraatti's agni pravesam
Dear Sriman Sadagopan, I have been following the informative and 
excellent exchanges on this subject. Permit me to participate in the 
debate. In Sundara kandam there is one sentence uttered by Sita 
Piratti to Hanuman in the Asoka Vanam. She says, "maamaiva Dushkrutam 
kinchin mahadasti na samsaya:". It is said that here Sita Piratti is 
in the role of a Jeevathma and Siriya Tiruvadigal, Hanuman assumes 
the role of an Acharya. Seeta Piratti says that She should have 
committed a small (kinchit) or a big (mahat) aparadham (dushkrutam) 
definitely some time. Otherwise why would Lord Rama forsake Her for 
such a long time without coming to Her rescue, immediately? He could 
easily rescue Her if He wanted to. For Her sake He even released the 
Brahmasthram on a crow, an insignificant being. He could make the 
entire Srushti vanish and recreate it in a Truti (may be even smaller 
than a nano second). How could he condone the gross misbehavior of 
Ravana?

Acharyas comment that a Jeevathma commits many mistakes some of which 
are unforgivable. Even the Lord who is Mercy Personified acts cruelly 
when he finds that the Jeevathma has committed such a gross mistake. 
This will be mitigated with the active interception of the Divine 
Mother and the Acharya on behalf of the Jeevathma after the Jeevathma 
repents for its follies. 

Apparently at some time Seeta Piratti made fun of Lord Rama when He 
wanted to leave for the forest alone without Seeta Piratti. She 
alludes that Lord Rama might be a napunsaka, if He were to leave Her 
behind. This is Bhagavat Apacharam. But this is only a Pranaya 
Kalaham between the Divine Mother and the Lord. This is even 
forgivable. But when the unblemished Lakshmana who 
·       had sacrificed so much in order to accompany the Lord and His 
consort 
·       to serve them, 
·       refuses to leave Her alone 
·       when She ordered Him to go to the rescue of his brother 
·       when they hear Maricha's impersonated voice of Lord Rama 
calling their names in distress 
·       when raama released and buried a fatal arrow into the 
Rakshasa in the form of golden deer, 
Sita Piratti hurls some very cruel and uncalled for insulting words 
at Lakshmana. 

According to Poorva Acharyas this is tantamount to Bhaagavata 
Apacharam, which the Paramaathama will never condone. He will never 
forgive any Apacharam committed against His Bhaktas or Bhaagavathaas. 
This is the reason He (the Paramaathma as Lord Rama) allows Sita 
Piratti (the Jeevathma) to suffer untold miseries in Lanka (Jeevathma 
suffers miseries in the Mruthyu Lokas) and then again hurls the 
unutterable insults at the Divine Mother Sita Piratti in everyone's 
presence and asks Her to undergo the "ordeal by fire" to show His 
anger against the insults She heaped on Ramanuja or Lakshmana, the 
quintessential Devotee of the Lord. This sentence "maamaiva 
Dushkrutam kinchin mahad asthi na samsayaha" is spoken to Hanuman 
earlier in the Asoka Vanam, when He meets and tries to console the 
Divine Mother. It is spoken to Hanuman who is in the role of an 
Acharya according to Ramayana Rahasya arthas or commentaries by our 
Poorva Acharyas.

I got this from an excellent book written by Ubhaya Vedantha Acharya 
Sriman Sree bhashyam Appalaacharya Swamin who was a Sanskrit 
Professor in the Andhra University at Vizag. ---- Ramanujam Varada 
Srinivasa Thatta.

MGV adds - So what sri senthil has written in his article is more or 
less same point as stated here. Another quote on the same subject ? 

From:   Narender Reddy [reddynp@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent:   Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] the issue of Sita Piraatti's agni pravesam
Yes, I have attended discourses by U.V. Sriman Sri Bahsyam 
Appalacharya Swamy where he has given an illustrious analogy that 
ravana can be compared to the mind, Sri Sita Devi to the athma, Sri 
Hanuman to Acharya, and Sri Rama to Paramathma. Ravana with his 10 
heads can be compared to the mind with 10 senses (5 inner senses and 
5 outer senses). There is only one purusha Sriman naryanan, and we 
jivathmas are His property. We are like His pathnis. The mind stole 
the athma (at least attention) away from the paramathma. Now, 
Paramthma 1st sends an acharya. After expressing sharanagathi through 
the acharya saying that Sriman Narayan is the only means, Paramathma 
comes and destroys the obstacles (Ravana) and gives Moksha. 

Dhasan
Vasudevan m.g.

PS: more in next post.









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