Respected sri Sadagopan swamin and Dear sri Senthil, First of all many thanks to sri Sadagopan swamin for forwarding this post to me for my comments. Before offering comments I will give some portions of earlier mails. It was forming part of the "Ordeal by fire" discussion, which was there in the lists in 2004. What I am doing here is to cut and paste some portions of mails. From: Ramanujam Varada Srinivasa Thatta [acharyatvsr@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: RE: [SriRangaSri] The issue of Sita Piraatti's agni pravesam Dear Sriman Sadagopan, I have been following the informative and excellent exchanges on this subject. Permit me to participate in the debate. In Sundara kandam there is one sentence uttered by Sita Piratti to Hanuman in the Asoka Vanam. She says, "maamaiva Dushkrutam kinchin mahadasti na samsaya:". It is said that here Sita Piratti is in the role of a Jeevathma and Siriya Tiruvadigal, Hanuman assumes the role of an Acharya. Seeta Piratti says that She should have committed a small (kinchit) or a big (mahat) aparadham (dushkrutam) definitely some time. Otherwise why would Lord Rama forsake Her for such a long time without coming to Her rescue, immediately? He could easily rescue Her if He wanted to. For Her sake He even released the Brahmasthram on a crow, an insignificant being. He could make the entire Srushti vanish and recreate it in a Truti (may be even smaller than a nano second). How could he condone the gross misbehavior of Ravana? Acharyas comment that a Jeevathma commits many mistakes some of which are unforgivable. Even the Lord who is Mercy Personified acts cruelly when he finds that the Jeevathma has committed such a gross mistake. This will be mitigated with the active interception of the Divine Mother and the Acharya on behalf of the Jeevathma after the Jeevathma repents for its follies. Apparently at some time Seeta Piratti made fun of Lord Rama when He wanted to leave for the forest alone without Seeta Piratti. She alludes that Lord Rama might be a napunsaka, if He were to leave Her behind. This is Bhagavat Apacharam. But this is only a Pranaya Kalaham between the Divine Mother and the Lord. This is even forgivable. But when the unblemished Lakshmana who · had sacrificed so much in order to accompany the Lord and His consort · to serve them, · refuses to leave Her alone · when She ordered Him to go to the rescue of his brother · when they hear Maricha's impersonated voice of Lord Rama calling their names in distress · when raama released and buried a fatal arrow into the Rakshasa in the form of golden deer, Sita Piratti hurls some very cruel and uncalled for insulting words at Lakshmana. According to Poorva Acharyas this is tantamount to Bhaagavata Apacharam, which the Paramaathama will never condone. He will never forgive any Apacharam committed against His Bhaktas or Bhaagavathaas. This is the reason He (the Paramaathma as Lord Rama) allows Sita Piratti (the Jeevathma) to suffer untold miseries in Lanka (Jeevathma suffers miseries in the Mruthyu Lokas) and then again hurls the unutterable insults at the Divine Mother Sita Piratti in everyone's presence and asks Her to undergo the "ordeal by fire" to show His anger against the insults She heaped on Ramanuja or Lakshmana, the quintessential Devotee of the Lord. This sentence "maamaiva Dushkrutam kinchin mahad asthi na samsayaha" is spoken to Hanuman earlier in the Asoka Vanam, when He meets and tries to console the Divine Mother. It is spoken to Hanuman who is in the role of an Acharya according to Ramayana Rahasya arthas or commentaries by our Poorva Acharyas. I got this from an excellent book written by Ubhaya Vedantha Acharya Sriman Sree bhashyam Appalaacharya Swamin who was a Sanskrit Professor in the Andhra University at Vizag. ---- Ramanujam Varada Srinivasa Thatta. MGV adds - So what sri senthil has written in his article is more or less same point as stated here. Another quote on the same subject ? From: Narender Reddy [reddynp@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] the issue of Sita Piraatti's agni pravesam Yes, I have attended discourses by U.V. Sriman Sri Bahsyam Appalacharya Swamy where he has given an illustrious analogy that ravana can be compared to the mind, Sri Sita Devi to the athma, Sri Hanuman to Acharya, and Sri Rama to Paramathma. Ravana with his 10 heads can be compared to the mind with 10 senses (5 inner senses and 5 outer senses). There is only one purusha Sriman naryanan, and we jivathmas are His property. We are like His pathnis. The mind stole the athma (at least attention) away from the paramathma. Now, Paramthma 1st sends an acharya. After expressing sharanagathi through the acharya saying that Sriman Narayan is the only means, Paramathma comes and destroys the obstacles (Ravana) and gives Moksha. Dhasan Vasudevan m.g. PS: more in next post. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Oppiliappan/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Oppiliappan-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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