Dear Sri Narayanan and Sri Varada Rajan : Thanks for your notes . Your points about the date synchronization problems between the most ancient VedA (Rg) and more recent Dhivya Prabhandhams are well understood , anticipated and respected . Thirumangai was indeed a real local king who lived in the 9th century. Swamy NammAzhwAr incarnated few centuries earlier ( some say at the beginning of Kali Yugam ; His disciple Madhura Kavi was here and lived towards the end of DhwApara Yugam and the beginning of Kali Yugam . The dating of AzhwAr's avathAra time is a tug of war between traditionalists & modern day researchers like Sri Vyaapuri PiLLai et al. I did not want to get into those controversies , although I lean towards all AzhwArs being born between 5th and 9th centuries . The eternal VedAs have a way of looking at some things and commenting on them elliptically some times . The persistent reference to " ChathvAri Sahasram " and the mentioning of Rusmaa in the same manthrams inspired me to intrepret the way in which I connected the information points. Indeed , the word Chathwari is often found in Vedic parlance. ChathwAri Sahasram is 4,000 . Among the four manthrams, we come across reference to " Chathu: Sahasram gavaam " ( Four thousand cows or words of wisdom). The "Go " sabdham in Vedic usage has many meanings : (1) Cow (2) Divine speech (3) Jwalai (4) BhUmi (5) Victory (6) Flight (7) JnanakkaNN / wisdom eye / the inner eye / dhivya chakshus (8) Speeding arrow and (9) Moksham. The path of Moksham described by the MahA Jn~Anis (AzhwArs who were yet to be born ) thru their 4000 sacred utterances (NaalAyira dhivya Prabhandham) realized from their Yoga Balam and Jn~Ana Chakshus for the benefit of SamsAris falls then in place . The birth of these great path revealers is what I was commenting upon with a little bit of poetic license . This fits in with another general prayer housed in Yajur Vedam : " Aaa Brahman BrahmaNO Brahmavarchasee jAyatAmA RaashtrE - - " Yajur Vedam : XXII.22 ( O Supreme Lord ! May there be born in this nation , the learned intellectuals , illustrious for their sacred knowledge ). That is all ! V.Sadagopan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajagopalan Narayan" <rajagopalannarayan@xxxxxxxxx> To: <srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 11:28 AM Subject: [SriRangaSri] veda and nalaiyram > > > Respected colleagues, > recently our illustrious colleague sri.satagopan swamy had mentioned in an > article that the nalayiram has been indicated in the srutis.Tgis loks > farfetched .apart fron the antiquity of the vcic age and preceeding the > prabandam period, it is our understanding that the nazhwar pasurams are > veda sruthi in tamil which can be recited by all chathur varnamen and > womenobviously the prabandams come latter. > Further by convention the nalayiram is 4000y inclusion of > ramanujaandadi=not an azhwar pasuram.The no.4000 again depends on how one > counts the no. of some of the pasurams like the madal, thiruverrirukkai > etc/ > Perhaps the puranas predict the futyue appearance os azhwars and their > works,Do the vedas make such predictions?please excuse my ignorance, > adiyen dasan narayanan > . > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Discover all that’s new in My Yahoo! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Oppiliappan/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Oppiliappan-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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