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                              shree:
   shreemathi jayashree ji;
   
                It is indeed nice of u to explain in detail again and again  
but i have  no doubts  pitru tarpnam done by  males  i wanted to know if there 
is any diffence between male and female soul since article said it starts with 
male so ends with male by doing tarpanam (Father to son and son to father ) so 
got doubt.
   
        one  of the shows in jaya TV vadyar was asked by one celebrity  as to y 
women r not allowed to do all these.He was unable to explain. Since that day i 
was in search of correct answer( in case i am asked i should explain 
convincingly not in tv channels  but just in  friendly discussions)
   
           I always had this doubts Aradhana in pooja form can't  women do? In 
modern houses  i do not find single man  entering pooja room (i am talking 
about  non- traditioanl houses) So, what if done by ladies without  recitaion 
of vedic verses just step wise one after another how they generally  Aradhana 
is performed.  :)
   
         Who am i to go or say against upanishads  such great  scholarly 
,saintly   documents .Somehow i feel all r missing some  nice  things which we 
know  so i express  in this groups .I asked few whom i thought would answer 
other than you no one answered .(these type of questions )probably  they have  
their own reservations which i do  respect.
   
   
   thanking  you 
  pranamams
  krishnapriya
   
             
Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Nov 21, 2005 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: namasthe
To: krishna priya <krishna.neela2001@xxxxxxxxx>


SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA.

Dear Smt krishnapriya,

As for your query,

>>>>--- In Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, krishna priya
<neelakrishna2001@xxxx> wrote:
>
>
>    Actually   what i wanted to know is even for female child to be born (From 
> the description of panchagni vidya (Chandogya upanishad) we know
> that the soul stays in the male body for 2 months and it is in man that it 
> gets ready or 'synthesised' to be born. The moment it enters the womb, it is 
> said it is born.)
>   the procedure must be same since soul does not have any sexdescrimination 
> etc., etc., i suppose .
>
>     I felt there has to be  some  other reason too .SO, i wanted to clarify 
> regarding  if the procedural difference exisits for female baby and male baby 
> birth.

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The reply is that there is no scriptural authority for different
procedure for the birth of a female. The gender differentiation is to
do with the knid of kind of karma that one has  to undergo in the new
birth. In this connection 2 things come to my mind.

One is the well known description that since He is the Purusha, all
the other jivas are the female counterparts yearning to attain Him. If
you look at the past histories of so many bhakthas and mukhthas, only
those in nayaka-nayaki bhava have easily realised Him, say, a Radha,
AndaL, the muslim princess who kept with her Rama-p-priyan (known as
Sampath humaran now at Melkote) and Mira. It is easy for the soul in
female bhava to show Him the prEmai. The Krishna leela at Gokulam
looks to me as a deliberate message by Bhagavan that He can be caught,
He can be tied and  attained only by such prEmai. He appeared with all
the  Gopikas at the same time, making each of them think that He is
with that particular Gopika only. This is exactly what each soul on
attaining Him (or even otherwise) think. He is with everybody, within
everybody, at all times - but in one to one contact.

It is only as  a female one can truly enjoy Him with motherly
affection too. In one of your previous mails you felt why the
araadhana is prescribed to be done by males only. I have never felt
like that. The kind of patience, care, concern and love we show to the
members of the family can not be so easily replicated by the male
members. We never feel hunger or thirst till our children and other
members are taken of. That is why it has been said that even if the
woman does not prostrate before God, but takes supreme care of her
husband, she will attain the very best lokas. (remember the KuraL "
deivam thozhAL, kozhuNan ...) The pancha bhoothas will obey her words!

Here it is not about the supremacy of the male, but it is about the
ATTITUDE that the woman has, by complete surrender of her interests or
making her interests subordinate to the interests of her husband. Such
kind of ATTITUDE in other words is bhakthi or devotion or love. To get
such an attitude, the male must transform into a female:-)

That is why I always think that He will wait for me till I finish my
immediate chores of getting my kids ready and helping my husband
finish his puja and other chores. Bhagavan will wait till I finish
these chores. Sometimes when some interruptions are there, I used to
tell  Him, 'konjam wait paNNum. vElaiyai mudichchundu varEn.' I
imagine Him  to be the little krishna, the image I have seen in my
kids when they used to wait for me to come from kitchen with the cup
of saadham and impatiently peep into kitchen with the picture-book in
their hands, for me to come soon and tell them the stories as I feed
them.

Likewise, Bhagavan will wait peeping out of perumaL sannidhi, to see
whether we have come to attend to Him. He must be definitely relishing
our puja, to listen to our aradhana which is not the same as what the
men repeat everyday. There is variety in our aaradhana. Ours will be
different, from pouring out day's happenings, to worries and happy
things - every thing will be there -  singing some new songs - He
never comments on our songs as bad:-) I think He will relish the way
we treat Him and interact with Him.

It is by being in female ATTITUDE, He can be made easily pleased. So
this comes by practice to a male. That is perhaps why, the foetus is
like a female in the first few weeks and only later the
differentiation appears. The procedural difference does not exist
between male and female, and the gender is only related to the kind of
karma. But from what I explained just above, I imply that female bhava
must be attained by practice and ATTITUDE but does not come as a
matter of procedure through panchagni vidya.

The other thought that comes to my mind is about Amba who was born a
female, as Sikandini. The usual expectation is that things could have
been easier for her if only she were born a male. But as an
after-thought we can see two reasons why she was born a female again.

Only because she had been a female again, that anger against a male
for having been treated badly, had been kept alive. If born a male,
the anger might have still been there, but certainly not like how a
woman had felt it. The harmones certainly could have made the
difference. Again since she was a female, though changed into a male,
Bheeshma could not retaliate in the war. If she was born a  male,
Bheeshma would have had no qualms in directly hitting such a man.
These are just my guesses. if you have any explanation (or any others
who read this have ) please come forth with them.

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>
>         I always used to think it is strain for the female to undergo such 
> eleoberate procedures as women  are considered to be delicate. however it is 
> just physical aspect  i was thinking.
>
>    thank you
>
> pranamams
>   krishnapriya
--------------------------------------------------------------

No, the elaborate procedures before being born are not at all painful
or to be endured. I think the male body becoming the last location
before being born is in tune with how creation proceeded only from
male as I quoted in the last mail. Scriptures say that the soul
doesnot undergo any karma or repayment of karma until the 4th stage ,
i.e., in male's body. So that part is not  an enduring one. The
endurance starts only after birth.(But according to scriptures the
soul is born the moment it enters the womb.)

Here again, a survey (on Indian women) exists which says that women
outlive men and they live long after their spouses are gone. Whereas
men living long after the wife is gone, constitute a lesser
percentage. This is particularly so with reference to losing the
partner in old age or after having spent their lives considerably
long. The men do not easily gel with others after his wife is gone.
But a woman easily transforms herself and gels with some one (it
usually exists even before) in the family. This is one of the facts
about Indian women I have observed in my personal interactions with a
number of them who have approached me for counsel through astro-
reading.

Women have stronger will power and can bring around things to their
side. Even in today's corporate world they are the ones who cross
through the glass roofs. Scientifically the corpus collosum joining
the two spheres of the  brain is thicker for females showing their
prowess to use both sides of the brain effectively. What AndaL could
achieve was something incomparable.That is why even our Kaliyan had to
resort to Madal oordhal in female bhava to intimidate perumaL!

Any comments?

If you have doubts about what to do for Pithru tarpaNam if a person
has only female issues, this is the reply. The repayment to them can
begin only after the daughter's son gets to do pithru kaaryam. Until
then the sincere thoughts for their well being can please them. It is
by shraddha, by thoughts and sincere and genuine feelings for them
they can fill up any gap in repayment. This is from  my personal
experience.

Thanks and regards,

jayasree

    
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