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sri:            
srimathE rAmAnujAya nama:
 
Dear Devotees, Please accept adiyen's pranam

Moksha Through Ramanuja Sambandha


Thank you for the replies and discussion on the topic. This is a good discussion, and adiyen hopes we can get more people involved in this one, by way of writing, thinking and discussing this with friends/ families and elders.

It would be good to have some volunteers translate and write in english "charama upAya nirNayam"

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan
Mukundan Vangipuram Pattangi

From: Sarathy Thothathri <sarathy_t@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed Nov 5, 2008 10:53 pm
Subject: Re: [sri ramanuja] Digest Number 2219 - mOksham thruough rAmAnuja sambhandham
            
sri:
srimathe ramanujaya nama:

Dear Sriman Mukundan swami

Adiyen's reply focusses on Point 1 - mOksham thruough rAmAnuja sambhandham.

Just to start the conversation there is actually a whole grantham called "charama upAya nirNayam" (I am sure you are quite aware off it already) which was written by "nAyanAr AchAn piLLai" who is a svIkAra (adopted) son of "vyAkyAna chakaravarathi periya vAchAn piLLai". The whole purpose of this grantham is to establish the fact that it is only through Swamy Ramanuja, ALL srIvaishnavAs get their mOksham. This grantham is full of pramAnAs from all our purvAchAryas until the time of nAyAnAr AchAn piLLai in the subject we are currently looking at. For the ones who are intrested in getting this grantham, it is available as an annexure to the "6000padi Guru paramparA prabhAvam" written by pinbaLagiya perumAL jIyar. published by SriVaishanavaSri, Srirangam.

adiyen sarathy ramanuja dasan
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From: Varadarajan <sumivaradan@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri Nov 7, 2008 2:31 am
Subject: Re: [sri ramanuja] Digest Number 2219 - mOksham thruough rAmAnuja sambhandham     
Srimathe ramanujaya Namaha

Just for your information, Sri U.Ve. Elayavalli Bhoovarahachar swamy has given a excellent kalashepam on this topic "CharamOpaya nirnayam"

Asmad gurubhyO namaha

Adiyen ramanuja dAsan/dAsee
Varadarajan/Sumithra
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From: "B. Senthil Kumar" <b.senthil2002@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri Nov 7, 2008 3:46 am
Subject: Re: [sri ramanuja] Moksha Through Ramanuja Sambandha - 2     adiyenbsenthil
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SrI:
SrI lOkAcharya kurave nama:

Dear Swamin: adiyEn namaskArams::

Swamin used a sUtram from Sri VashaNa bhUshaNam as
follows:
"Acharya SAmyathku adi Bhagavath vachanam"

It is the sUtram-110 from IrandAm prakaraNam says:
"AchArya SAmyathukkaDi AchArya vachanam"

actually it a continuation of the previous sUtrams.
It says, a vilakshaNa Sri VaishaNava / bhAgavathA
should be considered/treated as equivalent to his own
AchArya, and he is greater (athikar) than own-self(thannilum)
and bhagavAn(eeswaranilum)

sUtram 109: athaavathu - AchAryathulyarenDRum
samsArikaLilum thannilu meechvaranilum athikarenDRum
ninaikkai.

For the above sUtram, the pramANam is the next sUtram
sUtram 110: AchArya SAmyathukkaDi AchArya vachanam

This says how can one consider a vilakshaNa Sri VaishNava
as his own AchArya (AchArya thulyar). This is, as said by
AchArya's "Whenever you see /approach any Sri VaishNavA
consider / treat him as your own AchArya" - Sri VaishNavargaLaik
kaNDAl nammai kaNDARpOlE kaaNum - AchArya vachanam

These sUtrams clearly says the SAmyam between a vilakshaNa
Sri VaishNava and an AchArya, and how one should treat a
Sri VaishNava on par with his own AchArya.

NOT a SAmyam between an AchArya and Bhagavan!

Moreover, Swamin while proving had assumed that AchArya
and brahman is one and same. This is contradict to Sri VaishNava
sidhdhAntha. AchArya is a role that could be taken by Eeswaran or
JeevAtma. Out of three tattvams, except achith, both chith and
eeswaran could assume the role of an AchArya. This role alone
wouldn't bring the SAmyam between the AchArya and the
Para Brahmam!

Whoever is the AchArya, the ultimate one who has to grant
mOksham is in the hands of Srimad Ramanujar - HENCE
he is still celebrated as "UDAYAVAR" - the surname which was
given by none other than our beloved Lord Sri Renganatha
himself.

UDAYAVAR - the person who controls both nithya vibhUthi
and Ubaya/leelA vibhUthi

The lord handed over the control of both nithya vibhUthi
and leelA vibhUthi to our JagathAchAryar Srimath Ramanujar
Hence, Ramanuja Sammandham is considered as auspicious
one for a Sri VaishNava to enter into mOksham and do kaimkaryam
to bhagavan !!!

The importance of Ramanuja Sammandham (not only
for mOksham) could also be seen from the vaibhavam
of Thiruk KurRungudi Nambee who became "VaishNava Nambee"
after the sammandham with Srimad Ramanujar!

Eventhough the Sri VaishNava sidhdhAntam exists from
anAthi kaalam, through yugAs, it is called as "EmperumAnAr
DarshaNam" - again through the sammandham of Srimad
Ramanujar!!

Swamin, if there's any mistake, it's purely due to
the adiyEn's poor translation. adiyEn kshamikka
prArthikiREn.

srimathE Ramanujaya nama:
adiyEn,
senthil.b

Pattangi wrote:
> sri:
> srimathE rAmAnujAya namah
>
> Dear Devotees, Please accept adiyen's pranam:
>
> MOKSHAM THROUGH RAMANUJA SAMBANDHAM - Part 2
> "Srimaan abhirabhoot bhoomau rAmAnuja divAkara:"
>
> Question 1 -- Does Veda mention rAmAnuja sambhandam?
>
>
> I will put forth the facts that leads us to the conclusion that:  Yes,
> the Vedas mentions this fact.
>
> Obtain Moksham = Ramanuja Sambhandam. ------------------(1).
>
> Vedas proclaim that one who has knowledge of Brahman, reaches
> Brahman(TamEvam Vidhwan Amrutha Iha Bhavathi);
>
> One who realizes Brahman, is equal to Brahman (Brahma veda, brahmaiva
> bhavati). Vedas also proclaim karma yoga helps cross this ocean of
> samsArA and Gyana yoga fetches moksham. (AvidyayA mrithusteerthvA
> Vidyaya amruthamashnuthE).
>
> This proves that:
> Gyana fetches moksham ----------(2).
>
> Vedas also proclaim - "Yo Brahmanam Vidhathathi poorvam", "Yovai vedAsya
> pratinothitasmai (One who graced Vedas to 4-headed brahma)", "Samhadeva
> Atmabudhi prasAdam", Mumukshurhavai sharanam aham prapadye" These
> statements prove that it is paramAtma that gives Gnanam.
>
> Therefore ultimately, it is
> parAmatma who gives Moksham -----------------(3).
>
> The same shastras that is the Vedas, says that Bhagavan, with hands full
> of books, incarnated as an AcharyA and with His devine grace uplifts the
> downtrodden( "Karunyath ShastrapAninA maghnan uddharate lokAn). Now,
> based on this if we assume that Acharya and Brahman is one and the same,
> it is easily proved that it is Arhcarya that gives MokshAnandam.
> "GururEva Parambrahma, GururEva Paragathi: GururEva Parayanam, Guru
> TasmAth Guru Tarau Bhakti yasmAth tha upadEshta sau thasmath gurutarau
> guru:". These statements imply that it is guru who gives absolute
> gnanam to perform karma and gnana yoga and eventually know ParamAtman.
>
> It is guru who should be treated as ParamAtman Himself. Pillai
> LokAchArya, an illustrious poorvachArya, in his work SriVachana
> Bhooshanam ("ornament of divine sayings"), says that Acharyan should be
> treated at par with Bhagavan(Acharya SAmyathku adi Bhagavath vachanam).
> Bhagavan Himself says treat your Acharyan equal to Me (Mantre tad
> devatAyAmcha tatha mantraprategurau trishubhakti samAcharya sahip
> pratama sAdhanam). The foremost way (pratama sAdhanam) to reach moksha
> is to have devotion on all three, namely
>
> 1. Mantre(Thirumantram, Dvayam and Charamslokam)
> 2. the Lord explained in the Mantre
> 3. Guru who explains this Thirumantram to you.
>
> If you are a devoted of all the above then you are confirmed of
> mokshAnandam. Thus, even if we assume that AcharyA and Sriman Narayana
> are not the same, it is proven that
> Acharya Bhakti gives Gnanam and therefore fetches moksham -------(4).
>
> Now, who is this AcharyA? If we prove that this Acharya is none other
> than Srimad Ramanuja then we can say that it is Ramanuja sambhandam that
> fetches moksham.
>
> Feel free to pen your thoughts/ join the discussion.
>
> Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,
> Mukundan Vangipuram Pattangi
>

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